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Project forums => Q-Gears => Topic started by: halkun on 2006-05-17 05:48:23
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Want to help with Q-gears, but can't code or make a webpage?
How about helping with a logo?
As it stands right now, the splash screen for Q-gears leaves much to be desired. It's amusing, but it's not really ours and is kind of a place holder. If you guys want, how about deveoping a noew logo and/or spash screen for Q-gears.
Here is the current spash screen.
(http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=69661)
Like I said, cute, but not ours.
Rule of thumb is you should bake the logo original. Don't use artwork from Square. It, however, can contain some artistic elements of FF7, as long as you drew it. Alos keep in mind that Q-gears, in the end, will most likely have support for FF8, 9 and the PE series too. Keep in open ended.
The Winner, decided by me, or by argument, will be incuded in Q-gears, and project page....
Have fun
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How about this? The colors are FF7, but other than that I think it fits the idea pretty well.
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4219/gears2ff.jpg)
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That's really cool! If the font was not so tall that would even be a few pounds more awesome.
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I scaled the font so that the letters would have the same height, width, and spacing as a normal Final Fantasy logo. I might make the gear bigger, though, to make the whole thing scale better.
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What font are you currently using? I think the font used by the Final Fantasy series is called "Onyx." By the way, great looking screen.
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I'm using Runic MT Condensed. I compared it to Onyx, and I thought it would work better.
Runic MT Condensed. (http://www.midnite-angel.net/ffdg/misc/fonts.html)
Onyx (http://www.smackbomb.com/famousfonts/fonts/finalfantasy.html)
While Onyx is quite similar, Runic MT Condensed is slightly more accurate, by my comparison. I especially noticed the letters "S" and "A", because those were the only ones also in the name "Q-Gears".
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Hey Covarr
Just a Suggestion, What about multiple gears. The reason I suggest is because the project is called Q-gears. But Not only that, could we have the the gears rotating as if they were part of a working device.
Just An Idea
(I would do it myself, but I'm rubbish at art.)
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ooh, how about three gears...
Two that are meshed at the angle of the ff7 logo, (The upper right one smaller and the same colors) and then a tiny thierd one where the little dot is on the orginal ff7 logo.
That will make it longer and maybe make the font "fit"
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ooh, how about three gears...
Two that are meshed at the angle of the ff7 logo, (The upper right one smaller and the same colors) and then a tiny thierd one where the little dot is on the orginal ff7 logo.
That will make it longer and maybe make the font "fit"
Maybe different color gears, each representing the games supported.
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Different colors? Hmm... I could have FF7/8/9, but I have no idea how I'd do colors for Parasite Eve. That game didn't have a FF logo, and didn't have a color scheme to work with for the logo.
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with alpha transparency:
(http://www.expertmultimedia.com/protoarmor/images/q-gears01.png)
after creating background:
(http://www.expertmultimedia.com/protoarmor/images/q-gears01-test.png)
vector (created using free open-source program Inkscape):
http://www.expertmultimedia.com/protoarmor/images/q-gears.inkscape.svg
For a splash screen, you could use the one with a background, and make the rest of the screen black.
comments?
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I like it. The shadows behind the gears seem a bit out of character for Final Fantasy, and I don't know about the background either, but I really like the concept. Also, is Inkscape required to open the vector version? It's kind of an inconvenient program in my experience.
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You can actually open SVG in many programs. The file just has some extra XML data for inkscape--but the image is still viewable in say, firefox (GIMP, among other programs, can import SVG). Feel free to modify the SVG and do what you want.
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Here you go, believe it or not, I drew this 100% free hand in microsoft paint, and It took short of 3 minutes. I'm open to any other art projects as well -- its one of my most commended hobbies :-).
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1620/crapgears7tc.png)
I'm only kidding of course :lol:. Seriously folks, I kind of like the "gears forming the comet" idea so I put together a little concept art in microsoft paint...
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/165/notcrapqgears8et.png)
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Oh wow, VERY NICE. It would be cool if you used the font Runic MT Condensed, and maybe set up a semi-gradient like in the real FF7 logo. Also, I don't know if a copyright notice is entirely in order, considering that it's made by numerous people, not just halkun.
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Hah, gears forming the comet...that's very original. I was thinking of putting the main characters from each supported game faded into the background, and then a cool looking Q-Gears text is slapped in the middle. I dunno. :P
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I was thinking of putting the main characters from each supported game faded into the background, and then a cool looking Q-Gears text is slapped in the middle.
It might be better if we stay away from any trademarked characters in the logo. I like the logo by RPGillespie, it makes a nice suttle hint. I think if you use those gears, with the alpha transperancy, and using the Runic MT Condensed font, then you got yourself one sweet looking splash screen/logo.
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I knew there was some reason my idea had a 0% chance of working.
I like Otokoshi's idea, but it'd be even better if the logo was bigger. :)
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I like the logo by RPGillespie, it makes a nice suttle hint. I think if you use those gears, with the alpha transperancy, and using the Runic MT Condensed font, then you got yourself one sweet looking splash screen/logo.
Yeah well I suck at all the fancy stuff (all I can do is MS paint), I'll leave that up to you guys, here is the original gear I used (I inverted the color and shrunk the image for the tail of the comet)...
(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:RV55rJLUJwyKKM:www.sportsbikeworld.co.uk/longtermers/zx7r/pics/sprocket.jpg)
Inverted:
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8315/qggg2ay.png)
For some other gears, go to google images and type "sprocket"
Here is "Q - Gears" in Runic MT Condensed (since most people don't have that font)
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7508/qgears1at.png)
Personally, I like logos that are easy on the eyes (aka, white text on black backround)... kind of like maddox's webpage.
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I'll run it through Photoshop when I get back to school on Tuesday if I have a chance.
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This is the best I can do in Microsoft Paint:
(http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4839/qqgears0ul.png)
Edit: Ehh, the comet angle isn't quite right... I'll tinker around with it a little tommorow... It should look a little like the ff7 logo, just with gears instead of the comet, and Q-Gears instead of "Final Fantasy VII", and inverted colors so it is easier on the eyes.
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While the black bg is nice, I think that all the old FF logos had a white bg with black text and a white outline over the text. The logo behind it had generally different colors each time, depending on the game.
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### KA-CHUNK ###
This thread has just been mauled by the great PostEarter. It's a small furry creature with a taste for unrelated comments than has been known to take out threads like Godzilla takes out low-cost high rises in Tokyo.
To Jari & RPGillespie-
I really have a low tolerance for threadjacking. I go away for a little bit to study for a final and I find my beautiful thread pooped on. Keep your personal b*tching in the PMs where they belong. If you have any issues, bring them to *ME* before ejaculating spilling them all over the forum.
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Now...
I like the Comet thing. It's in the rules to use elements of the logo without using the *real* logo from the game.
How about this. Mix the two ideas togeather. The green color from the single gear logo mixed with the comet-like shape. White background with black letters.
Drop the copyright too. It's in the code and I don't feel like updating that every year after a release. ^_^
I think we almost have a splash screen.
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I see.
In that case, happy working with your "team", you have certainly earned them.
I shall not attempt to point out possible trouble anymore, you can keep all of it.
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In the end, it is *I* who takes responsability for this mess. If, in the end, a lawyer happens by, it was a fun ride. (See my "legal" section in the FAQ).
Now, more with the logos, before I start posting pictures of Ayumi Hamasaki ^_^
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(http://ayujpop.canalblog.com/images/t-hamasakiayumi3294ae.jpg)
Too Late...
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This can't be much more off topic than the previous post...
I'm curious, are there some kind of "Make Jari lose his face"-training courses for the staff, or does this stuff come naturally?
This is only the third time so far, it got me thinking.
I mean, I try to do the right thing, like come up with the idea of Lounge... and what do I get? Knife in my back. It makes me feel so happy and appreciated.
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I'm trying to lighten up the place. In the end, it's just a silly logo contest.
Nothing more.
I think the drama is unwarrented. Heck. Q-Gears doen't even *need* a splash screen, but I wanted to have some of the non-programmers participate. I didn't read what you and RPG were arguing about (Honestly, I didn't care, it was scewing up the karma of the thread, and didn't belong where pretty pictures are being posted)
Sooner or later I'm going to have to reject whole volumes of code for Q-gears from programmers who mean well, but don't exactly match the direction I think the program should go in. (Someone submit a patch to allow a model other than FF7's .p format. Watch what happens to it)
I can also take out the splash screen by removing one line of code with a svn commit message of "I did this for no reason" and that would be reason enough.
What was I talking about again?
I don't remeber. If you have an issue, bring it to me, If you have a problem with me, take it to Qhimm. Then we, with our mod hats on, will hash out what's wrong.
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I didn't read what you and RPG were arguing about (Honestly, I didn't care, it was scewing up the karma of the thread, and didn't belong where pretty pictures are being posted)
*groan*
I was going to say in any case that I would have rather appreciated it if you had split that part from the topic and thrown it to Unrelated for example. That way it would have been out of your hair (or equivalent of it), and I could have had my fun with him.
That is especially true if you didn't read it.
Now it just looks like you came to his rescue, seeing that I was doing the accusing and he had been just pretending that nothing had happened when you deleted it entirely.
I'm not saying that you can't do that, not at all (since it was off topic, duh), I'm just saying that splitting would have been the better way.
Just for the record, the reason why I was grilling him, in a really short way;
RPG is the person who was trying really hard to read the private apology to Nori, even though it pretty blatantly said that it was for her only. He didn't have much success with it, and tried to suck up when I busted him. Apparently he either had forgotten entirely about it, or tried to ignore it in his first reply.
That's why I have not only issues with such people getting credit, but doubts that you would want such person in your team. He seems to have this "It's ok, as long as I don't get busted"-attitude. Then there's the entire "I'm teh admin"-episode from RPG, I didn't even remember that until he mentioned it himself.
But whatever. I'm not going to take anything to Qhimm, partly because he's an expert of this himself. And I don't really care what the staff thinks about it anyway.
I have to tip my hat off to you for not lying, as people might remember the previous two staff members who tried a similar thing with me had to do that. And that really pisses me off. I'm not really pissed about what you did, but about how you did it.
EDIT: Hey rmco2003, I know you are viewing this. Happy with your handiwork?
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I think this calls for more pictures of Ayumi Hamasaki!! :-D Just kidding...or am I? (http://data1.blog.de/blog/i/itachi17/img/ayumi_hamasaki_02_1.jpg)
I like the Comet thing. It's in the rules to use elements of the logo without using the *real* logo from the game.
How about this. Mix the two ideas togeather. The green color from the single gear logo mixed with the comet-like shape. White background with black letters.
That sounds great just one suggestion. Maybe we could give the text a little depth, not just flat text. Maybe a little shadow such as this picture (http://neogurus.net/images/Final_Fantasy_VII/images/cloud.jpg). Another idea might be some neat emboss (http://www.saveyourmovies.com/images/text/TextEffect_OutlineEmboss_001.gif) effects.
We are going to need much larger source files, so that it is only a matter of resizing the master logo. If anyone has a larger gear design I can mess around with the design in Photoshop and see what I come up with.
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I think this calls for more pictures of Ayumi Hamasaki!! :-D Just kidding...or am I? (http://data1.blog.de/blog/i/itachi17/img/ayumi_hamasaki_02_1.jpg)
Referring to me, perhaps? :-D
Don't worry, as far as I'm concerned this matter is settled. I don't totally approve what happened, but I have no major issues with it, nor with halkun - as long as my messages don't mysteriously disappear. I'll be rather annoyed if the reason for my actions goes MIA again.
PS. The first of your examples has really, really much dropshadow. Idea is pretty good, just lot less of it, please.
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Umm, if you got the gear by typing "Sprocket" on images.google.com (and yes, I checked), how do you know that isn't already copyrighted by someone else (and it probably is)???????????????????
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Just use the outline of the image, surely they can't copyright the shape of a gear can they? :-P
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I doubt someone would copyright a picture of a gear....
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You don't have to copyright stuff explicitly, since almost everything is under copyright unless stated otherwise (http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html).
Whether a shape of a gear can be considered as copyrighted is a good question. If it's really distinctive, why not. I suppose.
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Well I found a picture of a gear from a "free images" site, so their shouldn't be any copyright infringement. :-) I messed around with it a bit, and with suggestions from halkun and Sad Jari, I put this together.
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9884/qgearspreview8xk.jpg)
I made the base logo much larger so only resizing would be an issue for web design and such. Here is a link to a larger, more detailed view.
LINK (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8308/qgears6qg.jpg)
This is just a work in progress so any suggestions are welcome.
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Hmm... The FF7 logo had the colors reversed (blue on bottom, green on top) and the text was black with a white outline. I like it, though.
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I'm glad someone noticed so quickly! I thought since this project is basically a "reverse engineering" and reconstruction of the original, to do a kind of flip in the design was fitting. I like the whole idea of subtle design hints, but not treading directly on then Squaresoft's original logo. If the original comet style is more preferred that can be easily done as well.
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Hmmmm halkun does this mean we need a REAL splash screen? Not one with stuff pasted into it? :D
I suppose we should consider where to put the progress indications, version #, and whatever else wants to be in the splash logo load.
Cyb
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Well I found a picture of a gear from a "free images" site, so their shouldn't be any copyright infringement. :-) I messed around with it a bit, and with suggestions from halkun and Sad Jari, I put this together.
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Very good, although something about the gear... looks kind of feminine? Maybe its just me but the gear kind of looks like a flower. Other than that, very clean look - I like!
I found this gear on wikipedia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Sprocket16.png/800px-Sprocket16.png
Edit: Maybe something like this (just a little cleaner and some transparency effects)?:
(http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/1152/qwerty0js.png)
Ehh, the smaller gears look like crap. I hate ms paint. Anyway, here is a colorless gear that I made from the wiki one.
(http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/3140/gear6hx.png)
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I like the idea about using gears to make up the meteor shape, so how about you just make gears from scratch? I mean, the shape isn't that difficult. This I just whipped up using photoshop's built-in shapes and layer effects:
(http://www.qhimm.com/qgears.jpg)
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The Japanese Text that reads Q-Gears? Excellent idea!
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That looks really cool :-D I like the smoothing done on the gears and the use of different tones for different gears, also that one posted earlier done with that vector program looks great too, also I'm not sure what you're on about Sad Jari but if you want to talk about whatever it was I did then PM me.
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Aw, Qhimm, that's beautiful. As for the "splash screen", isn't the background of FF7...black?
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This I just whipped up using photoshop's built-in shapes and layer effects:
Wow! If that is just something you whipped together, I'd love to see the work you put extra effort and time into. :wink:
That looks great! I think that would make the perfect logo for the project.
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Qhimm. I think you wond the contest....
I'll put that as a spash screen as soon as possable.
########### UPDATE ############
It's in Congrats Qhimm!
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i would use Qhimm one too it fixs right in what your doing
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Qhimm, isn't that a little to close to the FF7 logo?
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Well it looks original enough to me
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Yeah, but you never know with some companies.
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I highly doubt Square will say something, because it was drawn from scratch, Yes it may bear a resemblence, but its not the work of Square.
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Since you're recreating their game and all, somehow I don't think the first thing they'll shout will be "That's too close to our logo, you swine!" :P
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My point exactly, but its also doubtful this will get shut down, so no worries!
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Do we want to encode this splash screen in LZS? I have been studying the LZS format (and have found a simpler formula to calculate the offset) used in FF7 (PSX) and should have some code to compress into LZS format shortly.
The reason I ask this is because on the PSX disc there is a file called SCEAP.LZS (Sony Computer Entertainment America Presents) which is a 640 by 320 16bit raw image compressed in LSZ.
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That will be displayed when the engine starts doing more engine-y type stuff.
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May I suggest storing it as a JPEG? It's much less complicated then putting it in an LZS, and will probably use less space.
If you want it lossless, though, do it as a PNG.
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May I suggest storing it as a JPEG? It's much less complicated then putting it in an LZS, and will probably use less space.
If you want it lossless, though, do it as a PNG.
Are you refering to QGears Logo? or SCEAP.LZS file in the Media?
One might wish to compile the logo into the executable and load it from within.
JPEG should look fine as long as the Q setting is high enough.
Cyb
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Yes, but that will make the executable larger, thus making updates take longer to download.
BTW, What is SCEAP.LZS?
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Yes, but that will make the executable larger, thus making updates take longer to download.
Since I have embeded JPEGs into DLL's from experience this is hardly the case. The difference is quite small. Especially for something as small as a splash screen. Unless you are planing a 1024x768 splash logo, I don't see it as a problem at all. I would like to also point out that the fewer files you have in an installation package the better.
BTW, What is SCEAP.LZS?
The reason I ask this is because on the PSX disc there is a file called SCEAP.LZS (Sony Computer Entertainment America Presents) which is a 640 by 320 16bit raw image compressed in LSZ.
That should answer your question :)
Cyb
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nice logo Quimm :mrgreen: