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Re: If You Don't Vote Trump, Good Luck - You Will Need It.
« Reply #25 on: 2016-11-08 11:03:03 »
Trump is an insanely corrupt business man that has plundered from the public to fill his own coffers his ENTIRE life.  Do some research into the man and his many businesses.  He knows exactly how to let a company slowly fail while he maxes out it's debt, embezzles money (such as $10,000 self-portraits purchased under his 'charity' foundation), and then cashes out before the bankruptcy hits, clearing him of all debt responsibility.  That's EXACTLY what the US needs... a president who doesn't know how to do the job, and who knows exactly how to screw everyone around him for profit.  That, to me - sounds like more of the 'old' America that keeps trying to put us into a new depression.  The gap of the distribution of wealth in this country is 300% higher than ever before, and he wants to give them tax cuts!!!  It's totally uninformed, idiotic, and pandering to the lowest common denominator.  He also believes that using aerosol hair spray in his home couldn't possibly effect the ozone layer because it's in his home, an enclosed environment... he also believes that global warming is a chinese created conspiracy.  Wow.  That man is an idiot.

I'm a liberal and a progressive, but I'm fiscally and ethically conservative.  Change is inevitable and regulation is the only way to ensure Capitalism doesn't drown us all.  Tax EVERYONE.  Tax the rich more.

Currently, corporate subsidies outweigh ALL private social programs monetarily.  And Trump wants to GIVE THEM MORE.  It's insane.

Hillary is a supposedly corrupt politician.  I think she is, but I don't KNOW she is.  Even though there are signs pointing to this information, we live in a country where citizens are free and innocent until proven guilty.  Proof of wrongdoing exists, but no laws have been broken... did these emails actually effect the country, or was it simply the bumblings of a tech-moron who didn't want her personal life made public?  Who knows?  It's all conjecture.  I find it really interesting that conjecture has become fact when people are passionate and want to be correct.

Hillary has spent most of her life in the service of the public, the children, the mentally disabled, and social programs.  The woman is Secretary of State.  As far as the 12 year old rape victim is concerned - she didn't want the case.  From the position of Lawyer, she did her job incredibly well and reduced the sentence of a guilty man.  She later laughed about how she had no faith in the polygraph system because he passed and she knew he was guilty.  If you are a lawyer and know your client is guilty, it is YOUR JOB to DO YOUR BEST to represent them in a way that makes you look like a great lawyer.  She actually did a good job in that case.  Do I hate it? Of course.  Am I going to say she's a horrible person for doing her job to the best of her ability when it was a case she didn't want to even go near?  Hell no.  She never laughed about the rape itself.  Ever.  Get real, people.

Anyway, on one hand, you have Trump who defines corporate greed and paves the way for the future of a 'trickle up, f*ck you' economy.  He will bankrupt the USA, but definitely rob from the treasury before he does so.  He's a coward, and has no political experience.  I'm pretty sure he's already planning on selling our minority children to Russia... especially the unattractive ones.  His foreign policy is to backhandedly offend everyone around him and then see who sticks around as a glutton for punishment... because he knows he can then use them how he sees fit.

Hillary is connected to a lot of scandals.  I'm weary of her as a 'snake in the grass' politician.  But also, nothing she's doing is out of the ordinary for politics.  Politicians with no agenda are either patsies, tools, or lying.  We just hope we vote for the one who's agenda is in line with what our country needs.  I feel like we should give the position to the person with the most experience, the most to lose, and the most to prove to the public.  That is by far, Hillary.

As much as the conservative media would like you all to think the USA isn't 'great' right now, and is going through some kind of horrible times, think again.  The US is extremely prosperous at the moment, and yes - Obama has a lot to do with that.  I was leery of him too - but one of the major things he's done that not many talk about is forcing the banks to pay back the huge bailout by allowing people to refinance their homes, get extremely low interest rates, and recover economically.  What a horrible leftist agenda.

I think closing our borders is Un-American.  I think blindly opening them is stupid.  I think anyone in politics will tell you the same. 

Do I think Trump will be a horrible president?  Definitely.  Do I think he actually believes 80% of what he's saying?  No.
How did we get to the point where a snake-oil salesman is the best Republican candidate?  Oh yeah.  He gets the votes by 'divide and conquer'.  That's right.

Truth is: neither candidate is awesome.  If you were to look at their resumes, however - one is the obvious choice.  The woman with all of the experience and everything to lose.

To all misogynists out there:  If you have a 'low' or 'lesser' opinion of women, I don't care what your political affiliation is --  Don't bother talking to me about this subject.  I know your stance, and you would vote for a Male unicorn before you voted Hillary.

By the way.... this is a country of immigrants.  Only the Native Americans can say otherwise -- and I guarantee that if Trump was president right now instead of Obama, that the Dakota Pipeline would be ahead of schedule and he would screw the only real natural citizens of this country.  I don't care if you don't like minorities - we are a country created and run by them.  To anyone thinking that immigrants are 'taking jobs', 'stealing money from welfare', and need to be kicked out, look at the richest businesses in the US - and then see that they get more money in corporate subsidies and public welfare than any of the lower classes.

I'm sick of hearing racist, nationalist, and ignorant rhetoric being paraded around as 'patriotism'.  Hiding separatist, isolationist, fascist doctrine behind feigned intelligence is just gross.

I think Hillary is going to get elected.  I also think she's going to do a great job.  And to the Trump supporters, that's going to be a hard pill to swallow.  Unfortunately, like with Obama, if you hate Hillary - no matter what she does, you'll hate her.  Just look at how congress bastardized the affordable care act after they tried to get it to disappear... it's current form is NOT what it was intended to be - but Congress knows you won't do your research and you'll all just blame Obama because you're looking for things to reinforce your hatred.  The same will happen with Hillary.  Even if she were to eliminate the national debt, fix US public education, got rid of college debt, and created world peace, the far-reaching Trump-loving right would still label her an incompetent woman with no right to policy.

What a circus.  I hope we improve our schools so this crap doesn't stand a chance of happening again.
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Re: If You Don't Vote Trump, Good Luck - You Will Need It.
« Reply #26 on: 2016-11-08 15:25:13 »
Hail Satan! Errr, I mean happy election day

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Re: If You Don't Vote Trump, Good Luck - You Will Need It.
« Reply #27 on: 2016-11-08 18:30:57 »
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Trump is an insanely corrupt business man that has plundered from the public to fill his own coffers his ENTIRE life.  Do some research into the man and his many businesses.  He knows exactly how to let a company slowly fail while he maxes out it's debt, embezzles money (such as $10,000 self-portraits purchased under his 'charity' foundation), and then cashes out before the bankruptcy hits, clearing him of all debt responsibility.  That's EXACTLY what the US needs... a president who doesn't know how to do the job, and who knows exactly how to screw everyone around him for profit. 

It actually is. I know in la la land, and Left Wing universities teaching a "progressive" agenda, that this would appear to be incorrect, but it isn't. Trump is a multi-millionaire for more than just the lopsided and biased reason you have given.  He is bloody intelligent. He's created jobs and businesses all over the world and understands how to get a good deal. Not a bad deal. He understands negotiations and the economy. Hillary has done nothing like that. Who would be better for jobs and a stable economy—a man who has wrote the book (literally) on business, or a woman who has simply made corrupt self-serving deals with places like Saudi, which don't benefit America at all? Next to Trump, Hillary is a lizard when it comes to business.  The answer is: Trump is the better person. By far.

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The gap of the distribution of wealth in this country is 300% higher than ever before, and he wants to give them tax cuts!!!

A very simplified view of his entire economic plan, which tells me you've just tuned into the soundbites of CNN. Why don't you research things fully and come to your own conclusion based on evidence? Also, people aren't entitled to anything. They should get off their arses and work. Trump has also said he would tax the super rich more.  It's all there.

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  He also believes that using aerosol hair spray in his home couldn't possibly effect the ozone layer because it's in his home, an enclosed environment... he also believes that global warming is a chinese created conspiracy.  Wow.  That man is an idiot.

Ad hominems and this ridiculous appeal to emotion do your argument no favours at all. He clearly isn't an idiot, because he's at the top of his profession running for US president. He is a very wealthy man that owns and runs multiple businesses around the world.  So let's put the idiot accusation to bed. Secondly, he does not believe it is a "Chinese conspiracy" - this again is symptomatic of you reading headlines in the biased media, like CNN, rather than doing your own research.  He does believe that global warming tax is largely a joke on the public and being used to generate funds by a kind of stealth-tax. As I do. It's absolutely crystal clear that only a few countries are playing fair, and China is not. There is no concrete evidence of man-made global warming, and even if there were, it's STILL being used by the government to tax the general public. Do you honestly think Hillary gives a damn about the "ozone layer"? Haha.

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I'm a liberal and a progressive, but I'm fiscally and ethically conservative.  Change is inevitable and regulation is the only way to ensure Capitalism doesn't drown us all.  Tax EVERYONE.  Tax the rich more.

They became rich, generally, by getting off their arse and doing something. By bettering themselves. What you propose is ethically bankrupt. And I am as poor as they come, so I have no vested interest in saying that. Tax should be done by % only - which is totally fair for all. Taxing rich people and giving it to poor people is just a silly socialist idea.

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Currently, corporate subsidies outweigh ALL private social programs monetarily.  And Trump wants to GIVE THEM MORE.  It's insane.

See above. It's not what he proposes, and it's not insane.

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Hillary is a supposedly corrupt politician. 

Supposedly? 

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbT3_9dJY4

This woman has been caught lying repeatedly, has broken the law, has been placed under an FBI investigation, and has accepted a ton of dirty money. It's a fact.

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I think she is, but I don't KNOW she is.

That's because you haven't researched anything yourself again. A familiar pattern I am seeing while replying to you.


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Even though there are signs pointing to this information, we live in a country where citizens are free and innocent until proven guilty.

She is guilty. We know for a fact that her server was illegal and her deleted emails was an illegal act. Even if she was smelling of roses elsewhere, anyone else lower down in public office would have likely been jailed.


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  Proof of wrongdoing exists, but no laws have been broken...

Haha.  Yes.  They have. Repeatedly.  Her campaign also incited and caused riots deliberately at Trump rallies (Wikileaks from their own campaign people). This is literally an illegal act.

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did these emails actually effect the country, or was it simply the bumblings of a tech-moron who didn't want her personal life made public?  Who knows?  It's all conjecture.  I find it really interesting that conjecture has become fact when people are passionate and want to be correct.

This is getting desperate now.  See above.

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Hillary has spent most of her life in the service of the public, the children, the mentally disabled, and social programs.  The woman is Secretary of State.  As far as the 12 year old rape victim is concerned - she didn't want the case.

It doesn't matter if she did or did not - and THAT my friend is conjecture on your part, because you have no way to know she didn't.  What we DO know is that she

a. Laughed her head off at the fact she knew the man was guilty
b. Made an illegal defence, by lying that the rape victim (who was in a coma for 5 days), pursued older men - and was the one to blame for the rape.  LET THAT SINK IN FOR A MOMENT.  It's all there on video and in writing. Evidence. Her victim has come forward and explained how Hillary's behaviour only added to her torment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html

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I don't think [Clinton's] for women or girls. I think she's lying, I think she said anything she can to get in the campaign and win. If she was, she wouldn't have done that to me at 12 years old.
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I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,” Clinton, then named Hillary D. Rodham, wrote in the affidavit. “I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”
And you're here excusing this?  Wow, what a wonderfully "progressive" person you are.

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From the position of Lawyer, she did her job incredibly well and reduced the sentence of a guilty man.  She later laughed about how she had no faith in the polygraph system because he passed and she knew he was guilty.  If you are a lawyer and know your client is guilty, it is YOUR JOB to DO YOUR BEST to represent them in a way that makes you look like a great lawyer.  She actually did a good job in that case.  Do I hate it? Of course.  Am I going to say she's a horrible person for doing her job to the best of her ability when it was a case she didn't want to even go near?  Hell no.  She never laughed about the rape itself.  Ever.  Get real, people.

An impassioned defence for a rape enabler.  Let me use an emotional argument on you: Do you actually feel good at defending this very bad person, Hillary Clinton, even for lying about a child victim of rape?

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I'm pretty sure he's already planning on selling our minority children to Russia... especially the unattractive ones.

Again, total ignorance that has been fed to you by the MSM. It's painful for me to reply to all these, it's that transparent that you know absolutely nothing. Hillary has destroyed Libya. She even laughed that Gadaffi was murdered. She orchestrated it all (source: wikileaks/Assange). Trump wants to stop antagonizing a nuclear power and instead ally with it to destroy IS (which Clinton and Obama largely caused the rise of), and stabilize the region.  Yet, you are here making some ridiculous comment about Trump being some sort of Russian agent.

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His foreign policy is to backhandedly offend everyone around him and then see who sticks around as a glutton for punishment... because he knows he can then use them how he sees fit.

I'd say it's more likely that he looked at Germany and France and what the Muslims are doing there - and thought "Do we want that here", especially unvetted Syrian Muslims, many of them we now KNOW have IS members among their ranks. Is that what you call a bad foreign policy? Is allying with Russia to stabilize a region a bad policy? I think blowing up Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and other countries is a bad foreign policy.  But, oh, look, you're here defending Hillary against that too.

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Hillary is connected to a lot of scandals.

You are now conflicting your own narrative.

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  But also, nothing she's doing is out of the ordinary for politics. 

Yes. She has. Or do you think being under FBI investigation twice is ordinary?

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Politicians with no agenda are either patsies, tools, or lying.  We just hope we vote for the one who's agenda is in line with what our country needs.  I feel like we should give the position to the person with the most experience, the most to lose, and the most to prove to the public.  That is by far, Hillary.

Ronald Reagan didn't have any experience, but he was 10000% better than Hillary could ever hope to be. As Trump said "She has experience. It's bad experience."

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As much as the conservative media would like you all to think the USA isn't 'great' right now, and is going through some kind of horrible times, think again. 

It is. America has a massive deficit. Obama has greatly added to it. Race relations are at an all time low. Police killings, you name it.

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The US is extremely prosperous at the moment.  Obama has a lot to do with that.

Haha. What? 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/17/budget-deficit-nearly-doubles-during-obama-years/


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I think closing our borders is Un-American.  I think blindly opening them is stupid.  I think anyone in politics will tell you the same. 

Germany said that once.  Now women need to go to swimming baths in groups on their own due to migrant molestations and rape. Cologne in Germany saw over one thousand women groped or sexually assaulted last year in ONE DAY alone. France has seen over 200 people dead in under 18 months. Trump hasn't said he will close the borders to all.  Just illegal immigrants and unvetted Muslims. 

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To all misogynists out there:  If you have a 'low' or 'lesser' opinion of women, I don't care what your political affiliation is --  Don't bother talking to me about this subject.  I know your stance, and you would vote for a Male unicorn before you voted Hillary.

Ah, now you're even playing the "She's a woman. If you disagree with her, it's because you don't like women." card. How embarrassing. I would vote for a woman who was qualified and didn't do everything I mentioned here. Your comment above, quite honestly, is laughable slander.

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By the way.... this is a country of immigrants.

Who shared your values.  Chopping off heads or installing Sharia Law wasn't one of those founding values. If I said tomorrow that you had to take into your home random people who may or may not share your values, and that some of them were actually deadly to your way of life, would you do be happy with that?  Of course you wouldn't.  You're just here grandstanding and trying to look all nice. Where will you will be when the arms and legs start to fly. Where was your superiority when 49 gay people were massacred by someone whose family would never have been in the country under Trump. So superior with all those deaths on your hands. And you want more of it, because to you being sweet to every Tom, d*ck, and Ahmed—regardless of whether they may be deadly—makes YOU feel nice.

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I'm sick of hearing racist, nationalist, and ignorant rhetoric being paraded around as 'patriotism'.  Hiding separatist, isolationist, fascist doctrine behind feigned intelligence is just gross.

And most of us are sick of people like you branding anyone with an opposing view as all of the above. I think I'm also going to have to report your post.  You've definitely crossed the line, as you are quite obviously aiming that at me. As all Leftists tend to do in debate. [Actually I take it back.  What's the point? And in any case, you only make yourself look bad].

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I think Hillary is going to get elected. 

So do I.  God help you.


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I also think she's going to do a great job. 

She's done a terrible job so far, so I wouldn't bet on it.  But since you ignore, or lie, or defend anything she does as "ordinary", no doubt you will believe that.  If I step in dog strawberries and then pretend it's chocolate, I can do that too.  Anyone can.
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And to the Trump supporers, that's going to be a hard pill to swallow.  Unfortunately, like with Obama, if you hate Hillary - no matter what she does, you'll hate her.

The only theme I am getting from you is hate.

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What a circus.  I hope we improve our schools so this crap doesn't stand a chance of happening again.

I do. And I'm talking about your entire, sorry post.
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Re: If You Don't Vote Trump, Good Luck - You Will Need It.
« Reply #28 on: 2016-11-08 19:50:47 »
Sad thing is, she is going to get elected. The amount of people who believe Trump is the 2nd coming of Hitler and wants to destroy the world is gigantic. Trump is running not only against Hillary Clinton but against everything, trade companies, career politicians, the media, the  creepy SJW oversensitive generation... They tried to make him look like a bad business man even though he's living better than all of his haters combined, they tried to make him look racist for speaking the truth, they tried to make him look like a rapist for some nonsense conversation when I bet everything I own that all of us have had wayyy worse conversations in private with our friends... The fact that he is still in the race and actually has a chance of winning is already shocking.  Oh well.

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« Reply #29 on: 2016-11-08 19:51:00 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyic1yscJX4

And of you want racism.. there it is.

Imagine that Donald Trump said that if white people don't vote for his candidate, they are insulting him.  Do you think that wouldn't be beamed around the world 9 times?  Anything to say on that, Mcindus?
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Re: If You Don't Vote Trump, Good Luck - You Will Need It.
« Reply #30 on: 2016-11-08 19:51:54 »
Sad thing is, she is going to get elected. The amount of people who believe Trump is the 2nd coming of Hitler and wants to destroy the world is gigantic. Trump is running not only against Hillary Clinton but against everything, trade companies, career politicians, the media, the  creepy SJW oversensitive generation... They tried to make him look like a bad business man even though he's living better than all of his haters combined, they tried to make him look racist for speaking the truth, they tried to make him look like a rapist for some nonsense conversation that I bet everything I own that all of us have had wayyy worse conversations in private with our friends... The fact that he is still in the race and actually has a chance of winning is already shocking.  Oh well.

Yup.  Precisely what Assange said.  The whole empire of the elite is against him. And the voters lap up what they are told on CNN and by the elite as a whole.  It's so sad.

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« Reply #31 on: 2016-11-08 20:11:37 »
Trump is what he is. Else nobody at clear mind would vote for Hilary.

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« Reply #33 on: 2016-11-08 22:05:42 »
The leftist communists and the Trotskyist Neo-cons have destroyed and rotted out this country with their wars for Israel, with their "progressive income tax", with their Federal Reserve. The left has been in charge of this country since 1913 and since then we've seen Two World Wars and countless other wars as well as the handling over of our economic sovereignty to international banks and corporations, we've seen a coup of conservatism in the 1930's and 1940's from an anti-war isolationist idealism to the Leftist primarily Jewish Trotskyite Neo-Cons who were disenfranchised by Stalin's purges against the Jewish leadership in the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/22/the-neoconservative-movement-is-trotskyism/
Former neoconservative luminary Francis Fukuyama of Stanford (formerly of Johns Hopkins) compares the neoconservative movement to Leninism. Neoconservatism, according to Fukuyama, is the reincarnation to some extent of both Leninism and Bolshevism.

Fukuyama’s observation makes sense when even Irving Kristol, who founded the movement, proudly admitted that the “honor I most prized was the fact that I was a member in good standing of the [Trotskyist] Young People’s Socialist League (Fourth International).”

And this neoconservative movement, as Jewish writer Sidney Blumenthal has shown, found its political and intellectual ideology “in the disputatious heritage of the Talmud.”

Even after the birth of the neoconservative movement, many of its members such as Stephen Schwartz of the Weekly Standard and Joan Wohlstetter of the RAND Corporation still had a burning thirst for Lev Davidovich Bronstein, known as Leon Trotsky.

In that sense, the neoconservative persuasion is a subversive movement which started out in the 1920s and 30s. Legal scholar Michael Lind pointed out some years ago that,

    “Most neoconservative defense intellectuals have their roots on the left, not the right. They are products of the influential Jewish-American sector of the Trotskyist movement of the 1930s and 1940s, which morphed into anti-communist liberalism between the 1950s and 1970s and finally into a kind of militaristic and imperial right with no precedents in American culture or political history.”

This was the case for Kristol, who bragged about how his Jewish intellectual comrades such as Nathan Glazer of Harvard, Philip Selznick of Berkley, Peter Rossi of Johns Hopkins, Merroe Berger of Princeton, I. Milton Sacks of Brandeis, and Seymour Melman of Columbia were not only Trotskyists but were “unquestionably the most feverishly articulate” in indoctrinating students into their Weltanschauung.
Unfortunately we were such a wealthy country that people can still afford to live in their little bubbles. When America becomes Mexico tier or even Africa tier levels of corrupt, and we are on our way their, then and only then will a truly conservative man get elected who will enact the day of the rope for all these traitors to the constitution and the useful idiots who enable them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Might want to learn your history, and who has the real power in this world, and it's not the good guys, it's the men who created the Brother wars and then profited the most off of them. Primarily Zionist Bankers. The problem is, people have been reduced to an animal like emotional intelligence, refusing to read or look into opinions which conflict with their own or with those in authority. Essentially people no longer care to admit they were wrong, they have no real sense of curiosity especially if the answers conflict with social, or media norms. It's weird though, they have the correct opinions in this insane age but they act like they are a minority somehow or that they are somehow rare virtuous snowflakes. The truth is they are truly prideful, hateful, animal like creatures. They talk about how Trump supporters are haters, well you can't have love without hate, and it's sad the only thing they feel is hatred, otherwise they wouldn't have to virtue signal and act like special snowflakes and say "look at me I did something good for once (usually I'm a prick)". This country is already done, let it burn, and all the tools and useful idiots with it, the strong will survive and the weak and stupid will perish.

https://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Antiwar-Americas-Decorated/dp/0922915865
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« Reply #34 on: 2016-11-08 22:10:26 »
I'd definitely sanction trial and execution for some of these traitors. Merkel for damn sure.

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« Reply #35 on: 2016-11-08 22:29:03 »
I'd definitely sanction trial and execution for some of these traitors. Merkel for damn sure.

I hope to live to see the day of the rope, whether it comes from God or man, whatever you choose to believe in karma and justice will come eventually, history always operates in cycles of decline and rebirth. Too many low intelligence people being played like puppets by a lot of very rich puppeteers.

Reminds me of  the prophetic book "Animal Farm" by George Orwell when the one animal is trying to tell all the others that they are being played for fools but the pigs have a monopoly on the dissemination of information (the media) and all the animals turn against their own best interests and listen to the pigs who are leading them to their own slaughter. It was the same in communist Russia, you didn't believe in the gulag until you were in the gulag or your family or friends were, and by then it was too late the White Russians had already lost the war and the Jewish Mafia had taken over. Of course they then slaughtered tens of millions of Ukranians in a sort of revenge porn known as the Holodomor, you see the Kulaks did not want to serve as the proletariat and had led a pogrom against them two decades earlier when they tried to manipulate them against the Czar. So because a few wealthy corrupt and rich Jews were killed they decided to starve to death the middle class of what was then Russia, they also tortured raped and mutilated and executed the entire royal line who were decent people and had opposed the first Congress of Vienna where the Zionist Rothschilds who had indebted Europe through currency manipulation and funding both sides of the Napoleonic wars as well as the biggest Market crash and buy up in recorded history gets a small paragraph in an AP European history textbook. The Tsar had opposed their globalist ambitions over and over again during the years and so had the middle class of Kulaks in the Ukraine so of course the first thing they did was brutally murder them all. But Karma is a buttercup and Stalin was rightfully paranoid and brutally murdered those Jewish leaders in return.

Yes Karma always finds its mark eventually, and its been a long time coming for the left in all its incarnations, they've wrought too much destruction and pain upon the world and its peoples through their globalist agenda. I'm hoping that Karmic payback, that day of the rope, that day when SHTF and people can't survive on Bread and Circuses in their little bubbles anymore is coming soon, I mean it seems like it, but who knows. Even idiots like some of the leftists in here are starting to wake up, that's how bad things have gotten. It's a shame, we should have been colonizing other planets by now moving towards a better future, but instead the left is regressing humanity into an idiocracy educated only in doublespeak and think, refusing to operate according to reason and recognize the inherent contradictions in their own ideology.

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« Reply #36 on: 2016-11-08 22:32:59 »
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It actually is. I know in la la land, and Left Wing universities teaching a "progressive" agenda, that this would appear to be incorrect, but it isn't. Trump is a multi-millionaire for more than just the lopsided and biased reason you have given.  He is bloody intelligent. He's created jobs and businesses all over the world and understands how to get a good deal. Not a bad deal. He understands negotiations and the economy. Hillary has done nothing like that. Who would be better for jobs and a stable economy—a man who has wrote the book (literally) on business, or a woman who has simply made corrupt self-serving deals with places like Saudi, which don't benefit America at all? Next to Trump, Hillary is a lizard when it comes to business.  The answer is: Trump is the better person. By far.

He is a multi-millionaire because he was born with a golden spoon in his mouth and born into his father's business connections.  His first loan from his father was given to him in gambling chips, which is one of the dirtiest laundering tactics.  Any American born into the same situation would be equally as rich.  The man has business sense, but his business sense is 'buyer beware' which we've moved away from ethically as a country for 80 or more years.  It's not 'smart' to avoid paying your share of taxes, it's just stealing from your own country.  Trump is only in it for Trump.  Everyone else is merely a stepping stone.

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A very simplified view of his entire economic plan, which tells me you've just tuned into the soundbites of CNN. Why don't you research things fully and come to your own conclusion based on evidence? Also, people aren't entitled to anything. They should get off their arses and work. Trump has also said he would tax the super rich more.  It's all there.

Actually, I've had my eyes on trump for at least 10 years, and the man is very different in front of the country compared to when he was just a 'business man'.  He only created his platform to tax the ultra rich after he originally stated that we as a country need to subsidize the owners of big business and big business itself more.  Which, if you research into how big business creates oligopolies in the US, you would know that it is BAD for us. He states flatly that this will stimulate the economy - but we know from George W. Bush, that it doesn't stimulate the economy - it just makes the rich richer while the rest suffer.  We currently take from the Poor and give to the Rich, and this doesn't work.

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Ad hominems and this ridiculous appeal to emotion do your argument no favours at all. He clearly isn't an idiot, because he's at the top of his profession running for US president. He is a very wealthy man that owns and runs multiple businesses around the world.  So let's put the idiot accusation to bed. Secondly, he does not believe it is a "Chinese conspiracy" - this again is symptomatic of you reading headlines in the biased media, like CNN, rather than doing your own research.  He does believe that global warming tax is largely a joke on the public and being used to generate funds by a kind of stealth-tax. As I do. It's absolutely crystal clear that only a few countries are playing fair, and China is not. There is no concrete evidence of man-made global warming, and even if there were, it's STILL being used by the government to tax the general public. Do you honestly think Hillary gives a damn about the "ozone layer"? Haha.

His success is only proof of his passion, desire and commitment...  Which are good things, (Hillary also has these traits) but it says nothing of his smarts.   You don't have to be smart to be successful.  I give him -no- credit for being an 'intelligent' man.  It's not 'smart' to screw someone over.  It's not 'smart' to not pay your taxes.  It's unethical and morally bankrupt.  It's not 'smart' to assume individual carbon footprints don't contribute to the overall climate - it's promotion of ignorance.  The man has no humility.  I don't really know if Trump even believes there IS an ozone layer. (I'm being cheeky here, obviously) I actually have listened to that man for hours, and find it almost comical at this point. 

I believe Hillary does give a damn, yes.  She wouldn't have been in public service her entire life if she was only out to benefit herself only.  In that above statement, I wasn't -really- using ad hominem.  Ad hominem would be 'his hair is gross, he must be evil!' (as an extreme example) I was attacking his words directly, but not using it as proof of anything other than he is an idiot, which was my topic of debate.  You can draw your own conclusions from his statements as well.  The evidence of his own words and actions has painted him this way for me for a long time. (Far before his rise to politician)

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They became rich, generally, by getting off their arse and doing something. By bettering themselves. What you propose is ethically bankrupt. And I am as poor as they come, so I have no vested interest in saying that. Tax should be done by % only - which is totally fair for all. Taxing rich people and giving it to poor people is just a silly socialist idea.

He became rich because his daddy was.  He's been riding that pony his whole life.
Taxation should be based upon your 'privilege' for more wealth.  What I propose isn't taxing the rich and giving to the poor - it's taxing the rich who live in this country and created their wealth off the 'machine' that is the people and the state.  If these people were born in another country, they would not be afforded the same rights and privileges, which enable them to freely seek out wealth and success.  I believe there should be a price tag on this privilege and let's just call it a 'tax' to benefit the country itself.  Britain has it too - and it works.  In the USA, these taxes also enable citizens to have nice roadways, emergency services, public education, and the safety of the largest military in the world.  You can't currently buy that kind of security.  People can only make money off of the country due to their freedoms, which should cost them.  It's an investment in their own success.

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See above. It's not what he proposes, and it's not insane.

It's hard to keep up with him modifying his positions after every debate, or when he gets caught saying something totally off-base and backpedals.

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Supposedly? 

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbT3_9dJY4

I did a bit of snooping through those emails, and what I realized is that I would be really interested in seeing Trumps emails.
Using a private server wasn't illegal.  Using it to look at classified information was.  It's a complicated subject, and the FBI will get the information it needs to make a judgement.
I want to see a wikileaks articles on Trump.  Assange has a personal vendetta against Hillary, and it clouds his judgement.

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This woman has been caught lying repeatedly, has broken the law, has been placed under an FBI investigation, and has accepted a ton of dirty money. It's a fact.

Donald Trump lies every time he gets up to speak, so how is he any better?
Every person in political power is being watched by the FBI.  I believe if she is guilty of anything with her emails, it's gross neglect regarding deleting emails with classified information - which IS part of the law/statute.  We will see what the feds say in the next coming weeks.

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That's because you haven't researched anything yourself again. A familiar pattern I am seeing while replying to you.

Just because my research gives me different results, doesn't mean I'm not researching.  I seek out as many news sources as possible for the information I look towards so that I can have the most 'even-keeled' perspective possible because like most, I lean towards one side more than the other and don't want that to pollute my ability to see the 'truth' of the situation.  Stop trying to belittle me - it's not working.

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She is guilty. We know for a fact that her server was illegal and her deleted emails was an illegal act. Even if she was smelling of roses elsewhere, anyone else lower down in public office would have likely been jailed.

The server wasn't illegal.  Was it a frowned upon practice? Yes.  Deleting classified emails -is- against the law, as it pertains to the obstruction of justice.  So far, the FBI has continually maintained it's position that she had no intent to harm the US, obstruct justice, or 'leak' information.  And yes, intent is a large consideration in these cases.  Snowden WANTED to screw the system (and yes the system totally deserved it because what it was doing was wrong).  Assange is just really pissed off that for wikileaks, he's an enemy of the state, but for a few classified emails, she's not.  It's a bit of a double standard, but at the same time, who gave Julian Assange the right to learn, crack, and make public (what he wants) private information?  If you don't think he's a criminal, you really shouldn't think Hillary is either.

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It doesn't matter if she did or did not - and THAT my friend is conjecture on your part, because you have no way to know she didn't.  What we DO know is that she

She has stated many times that she reluctantly took the case.  It's in print in her biography.  ALSO - the prosecuting attorney stated that she didn't want the case.  She was appointed to it and didn't want to refuse the Judge's request.  The prosecuting attorney, Mahlon Gibson is the one who recommended her to the judge, who appointed her.  Check in with Snopes.  And before you say 'snopes is liberal!' - that lie came about when Snopes was blowing off the lids of the Obama 'scandals' - the owner/operator of Snopes registered as republican in 2000 and as an independent in 2009, and his wife is a Canadian citizen that can't vote.  Snopes has also never taken any money that is politically affiliated.

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a. Laughed her head off at the fact she knew the man was guilty

She laughed nervously about how the polygraph was wrong, and it made her lose faith in them.  She didn't laugh that this man was guilty and she was going to get him off, which is the general attitude of people who didn't listen to all of the tapes.

I think the end result was completely horrible - but let's look at it from a law point of view:  (from nolo.com)  "Defense attorneys are ethically bound to zealously represent all clients, those whom they think will be justly found guilty as well as those whom they think are factually innocent. (See Canon 7, ABA Model Code of Professional Responsibility.) A vigorous defense is necessary to protect the innocent and to ensure that judges and citizens—and not the police—have the ultimate power to decide who is guilty of a crime."

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b. Made an illegal defence, by lying that the rape victim (who was in a coma for 5 days), pursued older men - and was the one to blame for the rape.  LET THAT SINK IN FOR A MOMENT.  It's all there on video and in writing. Evidence. Her victim has come forward and explained how Hillary's behaviour only added to her torment.

It wasn't an illegal defense, and there was no 'lie'.  She was informed by someone that this was the issue (hell, it could have been her client that informed her of this) and persued it as legal defense.  It currently wouldn't fly in that state since the laws have changed, but at the time, this was perfectly normal for a rape case.  (am I condoning it? no.  stop throwing fuzzy logic at me)

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And you're here excusing this?  Wow, what a wonderfully "progressive" person you are.

I'm not happy about the outcome of the case at ALL, but did she do her job as required ethically of her?  Yes.  Are you telling me that all defense attorneys are horrible people for doing their job to the best of their ability?  You're being pretty blanketed here.  If she had done a crappy job, it would have made the prosecutor and the judge both look bad professionally, so tell me then: what should she have done?

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An impassioned defence for a rape enabler.  Let me use an emotional argument on you: Do you actually feel good at defending this very bad person, Hillary Clinton, even for lying about a child victim of rape?

Now you're just pandering to your own passion.  That statement is actual ad hominem, btw.

I'm not defending a 'rape enabler' - i'm defending the system of law as it exists.

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Again, total ignorance that has been fed to you by the MSM. It's painful for me to reply to all these, it's that transparent that you know absolutely nothing. Hillary has destroyed Libya. She even laughed that Gadaffi was murdered. She orchestrated it all (source: wikileaks/Assange). Trump wants to stop antagonizing a nuclear power and instead ally with it to destroy IS (which Clinton and Obama largely caused the rise of), and stabilize the region.  Yet, you are here making some ridiculous comment about Trump being some sort of Russian agent.

"it's that transparent that you know absolutely nothing."

Wow.  You're a real winner.  Now you're attacking ME personally.  You sir, need to learn to debate.

As far as antagonizing a world power -- from everything I've seen/heard, Trump has done that quite a bit himself.  Look at the current treaties we have with most first world Nuclear capable countries and Donald Trump's view on them.  Hillary, as a representative of this country even addressed this as an 'aside' to the main political powers of the world that we are 'a country of our word' and won't back out of our treaties.
Hillary has made mistakes, and the issues in Libya are a large part of that - but she's not the one making all of those calls.  She may have been a huge proponent of it, but she's not solely responsible for those failures.  You have to blame the Government itself and not look to her as a patsy.

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I'd say it's more likely that he looked at Germany and France and what the Muslims are doing there - and thought "Do we want that here", especially unvetted Syrian Muslims, many of them we now KNOW have IS members among their ranks. Is that what you call a bad foreign policy? Is allying with Russia to stabilize a region a bad policy? I think blowing up Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and other countries is a bad foreign policy.  But, oh, look, you're here defending Hillary against that too.

I don't like that about Hillary either - she's got this 'speak softly but carry a big stick' mentality that leans towards force as well.  Didn't I say neither candidate was awesome?  I think she isn't as good as Obama or Bernie, but I don't think she'll do great harm to this country. 
On the subject of migrants, she says very specifically that there needs to be proper vetting. 

As far as Russia is concerned, I think allying with Russia to stabilize a region by force is bad policy.  Especially when the attack promoted and reinforced the rule of Syria's president, whom we as a country opposed during this brutal 4 year civil war.  Also, Russia is ALL ABOUT murdering civilians.
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"Russian airstrikes have killed 9,364 people.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said  the total killed included 3,804 civilians, among them 906 children.  Those killed also included 2,746 members of Islamic State and 2,814 people from other rebel and militant groups, including Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria."

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Yes. She has. Or do you think being under FBI investigation twice is ordinary?

Actually, yes.  It is when you're that powerful, influential, and making lots of money.  My father has been under FBI investigation in the past because he was working with one of the largest black baptist church leaders the US had ever seen, whom had more power than the country was comfortable with.  The church leader's reaction was "welcome to the big boys".

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It is. America has a massive deficit. Obama has greatly added to it. Race relations are at an all time low. Police killings, you name it.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/17/budget-deficit-nearly-doubles-during-obama-years/

From the article that you, yourself posted above:
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While the figure was expected, the increase represents a reversal from previous years, in which budget deficits had steadily declined from the massive $1.4 trillion annual deficit early in Mr. Obama’s first term during the recession.

In March, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projected a $534 billion deficit in fiscal 2016, which ends on Sept. 30.

“Even as the administration made critical investments to support economic growth, it also succeeded in putting the nation on a sound fiscal path,” Mr. Donovan said. “Since 2009 federal deficits have fallen by nearly three-quarters as a share of the economy — the most rapid sustained reduction since just after World War II.”

What you missed in that article is that although the defecit is now back to 600 billion(due to recent good investments), that is a FAR CRY from the 1.4 trillion that George W. Bush handed him.  This 'doubling' was only after the initial trouncing the defecit took, and only because we've invested in ourselves more again.
Thanks, Obama :)

Race relations are finally at the forefront since the civil rights movement.  Black and Latino people have been oppressed in this country for far too long - it's not a NEW issue, it's just that now - for the first time, minorities feel like they have real power and a true voice to be heeded within our government, especially with the power of social media.  Also, police brutality (which I have been a victim of) is FINALLY getting addressed.  It seems crazy and volatile, but it's merely a time of change.  Growing pains suck.

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Germany said that once.  Now women need to go to swimming baths in groups on their own due to migrant molestations and rape. Cologne in Germany saw over one thousand women groped or sexually assaulted last year in ONE DAY alone. France has seen over 200 people dead in under 18 months. And you want to bring this to America? You want to open borders to people you have no idea of their backgrounds.  That isn't even remotely clever or American.

Germany was idiotic in it's acceptance of migrants.  Open-door policy is not what we want.  We want vetting, we want people who work hard, and we want people who intend to become citizens.

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Ah, now you're even playing the "She's a woman. If you disagree with her, it's because you don't like women." card. How embarrassing. I would vote for a woman who was qualified and didn't do everything I mentioned here. Your comment above, quite honestly, is laughable slander.

I didn't say anything of the sort.  What I was saying was "If you won't vote for Hillary -solely- because she's female, i don't want to talk to you because the conversation will go nowhere"  I said IF you are a misogynist.  I didn't say you were, and I didn't say that people who won't vote for her are misogynist.  Read my words for what they are, and stop using fuzzy logic.

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Who shared your values.  Chopping off heads or installing Sharia Law wasn't one of those founding values. If I said tomorrow that you had to take into your home, random people who may or may not share your values, and that some of them were actually deadly to your way of life, would you do be happy with that?  Of course you wouldn't.

I don't need people who share my values - in my opinion, that's stale and uninteresting.  I want a thriving, diverse, melting-pot of world cultures... oh wait... we've been doing that for a couple hundred years.  Let's keep up the good work!

Chopping off heads and installing Sharia Law isn't being Muslim.  Now you're being prejudiced.

I don't want Isis here, but does that mean I have to be anti-muslim? anti-syrian?  Who exactly are you talking about?  All of these migrants?  I believe all human beings deserve the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  You are showing that you are quite sheltered in your perspective. 

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You're just here grandstanding and trying to look all nice. Where will you will be when the arms and legs start to fly. Where was your superiority when 49 gay people were massacred by someone whose family would never have been in the country under Trump. So superior with all those deaths on your hands. And you want more of it, because to you being sweet to every Tom, d*ck, and Harry—regardless of whether they may be deadly—makes YOU feel nice.

Again, a blanket statement.  Deaths on my hands?  Wow.  Did I ever say that I was superior to anyone?  Try to psychoanalyze yourself for a change.  I would love to stoop to your level and call you a twat, but I forgive your self-justifying attitude because you're passionate and ignorant of who I am.  You don't know me, and you don't know how I think or feel about Tom, d*ck, OR Harry.  I'm a realist. 

I must have said something that upset you.  For someone who programs, you use an awful lot of fuzzy logic.  (You mad, bro?)

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And most of us are sick of people like you branding anyone with an opposing view as all of the above. I think I'm also going to have to report your post.  You've definitely crossed the line. As all Leftists tend to do in debate.

I'm not branding anyone as such.  You're using fuzzy logic to come to broad generalizations about what I'm saying.  You must have thought it was directed towards you, but it was not.  I said I was sick of things that make complete sense to be sick of.  How did I cross the line?  I never said YOU were any of those things.  What would you even be able to report me for?  This is the off-topic board... lol.  I never said anyone here were those things.  I just said I was sick of it.  I was actually referencing the 'anti-migrant' mentality - you know... the Skittles argument.  There's a LOT of nationalism disguised as patriotism here in the USA, and I can't stand it.
 
You actually have an interesting voice in the Trump crowd that's caused me to think - but your response to my post was full of personally directed attacks and a lack of proof/information to back up your claims.  Talk about ad hominem.

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She's done a terrible job so far, so I wouldn't bet on it.  But since you ignore, or lie, or defend anything she does as "ordinary", no doubt you will believe that.  If I step in dog strawberries and then pretend it's chocolate, I can do that too.  Anyone can.

I don't think she's done a terrible job, but at least she's already made some serious mistakes and had to answer for them in the eyes of the public.  Hopefully she learns from them and doesn't just repeat all of it all over again.

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The only theme I am getting from you is hate.

I don't like Trump as a politician and don't want him to be president.  I don't hate the man at all.  I just think he's not smart enough for the position and an overall d*ck.  Actually, I don't really get that 'hateful' feeling from most Hillary supporters even if they don't like Trump -- they're just sick of him.  The real 'hate' i see comes from the Anti-Trumps and the extremist Trump worshipers.

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I do. And I'm talking about your entire sorry post.

More personal attacks?  Man, DLPB -- I love Reunion, Anxious Hearts, RaW, and all of the other work you do, but you're being a serious jerkwad.  Someone needs some nooky.

Ad hominem it up, buddy.

I'm reluctantly voting Hillary because all of the other candidates policies are incredibly unrealistic.
Either way, both main candidates are going to hand us over to the banks.

Have a great day, everyone :)  Love you all.

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Re: If You Don't Vote Trump, Good Luck - You Will Need It.
« Reply #37 on: 2016-11-08 22:44:27 »
McIndus I'm sorry, I love your mods but when you say something like this quoted below, you come off as insane in an attempt to justify your own worldview. Kinda like when a drug addict is confronted with reality and keeps denying it, it leads me to believe liberalism/leftism is more of a religion than an ideological position. It was an ideological position at one point, but it has morphed into a religion, the prophets of which are the mainstream media, and it's dogmas are sacrosanct to its adherents, even its obvious lies.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a hardcore right wing old school conservative, but before the right was co-opted by the left 9 decades ago,  I'm not voting for Hillary or Trump. I know I'm extreme but that's because extreme times call for extreme measures, but even the moderate normies and beta-leftists realize Obama is one of the worst presidents we've ever had maybe THE WORST and that's saying something considering we had the Neo-Con leftist "Patriot Act" Bush and the Pedophile (Jeffrey Epstein 26 times...) /Rapist (Paul Jones, Monica, etc, etc.) Bill Clinton before that.

What you just said below is equivalent to saying "I know the Roman media is saying Caligula appointing his horse as Pro-Consul seems bad, he's mostly been a good emperor bathing in the blood of his enemies" And Obama has been bathing in a lot of blood, he was even awarded the Nobel Peace Prize what a joke. Why don't you just say Nero was playing the violin in a lovely manner as he watched Rome burn, he wasn't really that bad of an emperor. Jesus man, you've lost your marbles. I'm absolutely convinced Leftism is a religion that has replaced humanities need for spiritualism in the west which was again destroyed by the left.

"As much as the conservative media would like you all to think the USA isn't 'great' right now, and is going through some kind of horrible times, think again.  The US is extremely prosperous at the moment, and yes - Obama has a lot to do with that."

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Re: If You Don't Vote Trump, Good Luck - You Will Need It.
« Reply #38 on: 2016-11-08 22:45:02 »
edit. Nah. Not playing that game. :P

It's just sad that to every fact you have an excuse... and believing that FBI investigations for people who are running for president is normal isn't sane in the slightest.
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« Reply #39 on: 2016-11-08 22:47:29 »
Do people not talk to their grandparents, do they all stick them in nursing homes like animals now? Ask your grandparents if America was better then or now. Or better yet go look at some old pictures from the early 1900's of your nearby city and tell me how much better things are. You guys don't need to play Final Fantasy, you're already living in a fantasy land. I guess it's like the corrupt people say all you need is bread and circuses to keep the useful idiots content.

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« Reply #40 on: 2016-11-08 22:49:57 »
Nope, we're not doing this. This community has proven itself incapable time and time again of having an intelligent, peaceful discussion of politics, and this thread is no exceptions. Closing it now, so I don't have to start tossing around warnings. ~Covarr

P.S.: If you're going to criticize someone for ad hominem attacks, it's wise not to use to them yourself. This goes for all of you.