no one can hate c as much as me haha. Those headers alone are a nightmare compared to Delphi's lovely declarations in the same unit. I doubt IDEs based on Pascal will ever die. The language is too neat and usable to die off. I'm trying to get to grips with Aali's driver source, and, to be frank, it's a nightmare. In Delphi, I can look at code and know exactly what it does and where. In C - I am hunting multiple files and debugging is a wreck. Is this C in general, or just C++?