Author Topic: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods and Modding Framework-The Reunion [R06f] (Read 3021864 times)

Covarr · « **Reply #400 on:** 2014-07-16 23:11:49 »

Nothing special about R03, we're just assuming more typos and errors will be found in R02 that will need fixed. R02 aims to be final, but realistically it'll almost certainly need one more revision.

Vir · « **Reply #401 on:** 2014-07-17 00:10:10 »

Oh, ok, that makes good sense... just literally a proper and final translation.

Thank you both.

lol, yea, Vgr, I've been using it on various sites for some years (10+ by now?) since I was a kid and got a hold of a Latin dictionary, originally with what I supposed were good Latin adjectives to slap on it. (Means 'man' though since then I've become aware of Latin declension and I have no idea what it would really mean in this form). Doesn't have much to do with that in my head anymore, just a short thing which I think of when I have to put in usernames. I slap a 27 on the back there when it's taken, except my buddy ran into one guy who also goes by Vir27 on his handles: in his case it was because he commutes via some particular train out of Virginia.

liquidmetalrob · « **Reply #402 on:** 2014-07-17 20:50:35 »

Hi, I really want to try the retranslation but when I go to download it I get a 404 error message. Can someone check that it is still available for download?

Covarr · « **Reply #403 on:** 2014-07-17 20:56:31 »

R01 is pretty broken, because of some unexpected issues with choice selection dialogues. It was taken down; R02 should be right around the corner.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #404 on:** 2014-07-17 21:35:38 »

Curious... I didn't take it down. Was when I changed links. Ah well... R02 aint long off.

liquidmetalrob · « **Reply #405 on:** 2014-07-18 09:02:56 »

Do you have an estimate of when R02 will be released?

bjaxx87 · « **Reply #406 on:** 2014-07-18 16:42:17 »

Actually R01 is still online, it's just not included in the opening post.

Quote from: DLPB on 2014-06-10 20:47:37

In my clean out and rebackup I forgot to do R01... and it's gone. I don't keep a backup of it on my HD because I have all the installation files here. But that won't do me any good since R02 isn't ready. I will reupload soon, because EQ2Alyza has kindly sent me it

https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B3Kl04es5qkqR1FOSHBGaUk2bkU&export=download

Here you go.

liquidmetalrob · « **Reply #407 on:** 2014-07-18 20:55:32 »

Thanks

Salk · « **Reply #408 on:** 2014-07-19 05:05:43 »

Quote from: liquidmetalrob on 2014-07-18 09:02:56

Do you have an estimate of when R02 will be released?

If you just go back one page, you will read DLPB's message saying then he'd probably release R02 tonight (it was the 13th of July). And only two days ago he wrote "Ah well... R02 aint long off.".

You rarely ever get an exact date in the "4th of March 20XX" style when it comes to commercial games. And "rarely" becomes "never" when we talk modding.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #409 on:** 2014-07-20 14:02:03 »

The Reunion is complete, but there's been a problem with touphscript, so I have to wait for that to get updated first. So this is on hold until then. I *may* release R02 with a quick fix until ts is fixed up also.

edit.

Nah, I'll just take this time to run through entire game again and update translation. So R02 will be the main release now instead of R03.

Salk · « **Reply #410 on:** 2014-07-20 16:59:15 »

It sounds like a good idea, DLPB.

Vir · « **Reply #411 on:** 2014-07-20 20:48:14 »

You'd know best.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #412 on:** 2014-07-21 08:17:12 »

Well, I think a decision on the ending line "Holy is having the opposite effect" has been reached. With Ultimania, other messages posted by Japanese speakers online, and logic, the line is probably intended to be something like "Holy is making things worse" / "Holy has added to the problems" etc

The idea being that Holy was too late, and the collision between it and Meteor happened too near the planet, resulting in further devastation. The line in Japanese is ridiculously lacklustre and vague. "Holy is having the opposite effect" definitely sounds too literal and nonsensical.

Luksy has also pointed out that it may have been intended that way also, and be a ridiculous Japanese trope.

WatashiWaZero · « **Reply #413 on:** 2014-07-21 16:17:49 »

Quote from: DLPB on 2014-07-21 08:17:12

"Holy is making things worse"

I'd personally go with this one. It sounds a lot more casual, not to mention it's concise; it's also closer to an average teen's speech patterns.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #414 on:** 2014-07-21 16:22:34 »

It's Red's line... and he is kinda old fashioned in speech... but that line works for him as well as anyone else.

"holy is having the opposite effect" sounds very ridiculous, doesn't it? In fact... when I was reading about online, I saw that someone had written an entire essay on the meaning of it...

The one thing he neglected to mention was that the original translation may have completely missed the point. Funny how some do that. Seriously, for some it's like whatever the original translation did or said must make 100% sense and must be correct. And if it doesn't, a crackpot theory emerges.

100 pages of babble when one line would have done "The translation missed the meaning."

I could make a theory as to why Red XIII has red fur... but I don't. Because it's meaningless. It's whatever the writer decided.

Kaldarasha · « **Reply #415 on:** 2014-07-21 16:30:00 »

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"Holy is making things worse" / "Holy has added to the problems"

This looks a bit strange too me. I mean Holy tries to save the planet but doesn't seem to work because it's to late.

So maybe they mean the Opposite of effect and this would be no effect (or effectless). So the sentence looks logical for me this way: "Holy is having no effect"

Covarr · « **Reply #416 on:** 2014-07-21 16:32:00 »

But it very clearly didn't have no effect. It targeted meteor at Midgar.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #417 on:** 2014-07-21 16:34:37 »

Quote from: Kaldarasha on 2014-07-21 16:30:00

This looks a bit strange too me. I mean Holy tries to save the planet but doesn't seem to work because it's to late.

So maybe they mean the Opposite of effect and this would be no effect. So the sentence looks logical for me this way: "Holy is having no effect"

As I said, Ultimania and quite a few Japanese readers out there surmise that the meaning of the line is simply
that Holy added to the problems because it was trying to stop meteor too close to the planet. That actually makes sense...

It also follows on from Red's line that Meteor got too close to the planet.

In that way, Holy did have an opposite effect... but not in that literal meaning. When we write "Opposite effect" in that context, it means "Its power has gone opposite". We do not use "opposite effect" when we mean "Making things worse". Do you see why I feel like throttling someone?

WatashiWaZero · « **Reply #418 on:** 2014-07-21 19:28:09 »

You could always try:

"Holy is making the situation worse."

Swapping out "things" with "the situation" makes the line a little bit more formal (fits Red's speech pattern better) as well as getting rid of any ambiguities pertaining to the context in which it was spoken in.

AceClover · « **Reply #419 on:** 2014-07-23 13:19:04 »

Topic title is confusing me. Is the R01 compatible with Steam? are we waiting for R02?

Thank you so much for the wonderful work you're doing to all the FFVII fans.

Covarr · « **Reply #420 on:** 2014-07-23 15:10:18 »

Steam is waiting for R02. This is my mistake, I forgot that Steam support wasn't actually out yet when I was renaming threads. Should be fixed now.

EQ2Alyza · « **Reply #421 on:** 2014-07-23 19:34:29 »

Very small bug, or perhaps a typo in the readme.

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5. Wiremesh is used by default. F2 can turn it off.

When I start a submarine game, the wiremesh is off. F2 does turn it on.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #422 on:** 2014-07-23 20:21:59 »

Wiremesh should start by default... I'll look into that.

Salk · « **Reply #423 on:** 2014-07-24 08:08:51 »

Quote from: DLPB on 2014-07-21 08:17:12

Luksy has also pointed out that it may have been intended that way also, and be a ridiculous Japanese trope.

I don't know whether or not you agree DLPB but FF VII is a very mature and serious game. This kind of humor/trope doesn't suit the atmosphere of the game at all, in my opinion.

I sort of symphatize with Kaldarsha's concern about the "Holy is making things worse" / "Holy has added to the problems" sounding a bit weird (but still way better than "holy is having the opposite effect"). Of the two versions though, the first is by far preferable.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #424 on:** 2014-07-24 08:21:32 »

It wasn't always serious... Cait Sith for one thing.

Also, I am looking at that line in game. There are a few ways of saying the line, like "making matters worse" and so forth. I'll see what fits best.