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Miscellaneous Forums => Archive => Topic started by: Qhimm on 2004-06-13 14:57:45
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As some of you may have noticed, Qhimm.com was recently down due to depleted bandwidth. This was caused by a denial-of-service attack launched at the site between June 9 and June 12. The attack was a brute-force undistributed flooding attack launched from two computers, being the equivalent of some 400,000 visits to the Qhimm.com main site.
The attack was launced from two locations, from a total of three IPs:
12.215.121.137, located near Ottawa, Illinois, US
209.112.208.228 and 209.112.215.55, located near Anchorage, Alaska, US
Appropriate action is being taken.
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Was it Rubi and Mofo?
Wouldn't suppise me after the last time >_>
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Yeah... has anyone posted from them IP's before? I thought it was odd when the forums where down.
dd: I'd like to think that they have more sense than that... it's very pathetic of them if it is.
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When Rubi posted as a guest he used a different PC but on the same campus he was on....Possibility he's done it again?
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I thought it was the new forums.
For some reason, everytime I come to this site, Mozilla displays stuff like "117 images to be downloaded.. " or some really high number. Can't be good to be downloading that many images each time I visit this site. This makes my browsing experience slower since it has to download these images every single time.
I didn't see this problem with the old forum software.
I thought it might be a caching problem but Mozilla is configured fine and I'm using one of the later builds.. Mozilla 1.7 RC2
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I thought it was the new forums.
For some reason, everytime I come to this site, Mozilla displays stuff like "117 images to be downloaded.. " or some really high number. Can't be good to be downloading that many images each time I visit this site. This makes my browsing experience slower since it has to download these images every single time.
I didn't see this problem with the old forum software.
I thought it might be a caching problem but Mozilla is configured fine and I'm using one of the later builds.. Mozilla 1.7 RC2
Strange...That doesnt happen to me...
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You know, the forum software hasn't changed, only the theme :P
NP here.
I was out of town while the forums were down, so I didn't even know until I got back and someone mentioned it to me.
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The attack was launced from two locations, from a total of three IPs:
12.215.121.137, located near Ottawa, Illinois, US
209.112.208.228 and 209.112.215.55, located near Anchorage, Alaska, US
Appropriate action is being taken.
They never learn, do they? I'm not too surprised :roll:
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Really, I'm pretty shocked..
Pretty shocked because it was a petty thing to do, and also shocked that it was such a weak attempt, and with little attempt to mask it..
I just .. Wow, i thought that they were different than this..
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Just so you know Qhimm. Your site would not have registered 400,000 hits if your counter wasnt set to add 5 every time it refreshed. I guess you didnt realize that... Now its fixed and only goes up 1. Hmm... odd... Maybe it wasnt a DoS attack after all.. it was the coding job adding 5 visits for every 1... Hmmm...
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Nice try.
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Um... that makes almost no sense.
If it wasn't a DoS attack, why did the site go down?
Even if it was 5 "hits per hit," 80,000 hits to Qhimm.com from three addresses is still rather unusual, yes? No way that would happen unintentionally. And the fact that it seems to be coming from Rubi/Mofo's general area doesn't help them at all. (I'm not going to say that they definately did it, but that is certainly what it looks like.)
Counter looks like it's working fine to me. When was it broken / how do you know it was broken?
I'd imagine that since Qhimm knows the addresses that caused the downtime, he has access to information besides the front-page counter. For example, my web site logs every single access request (for html files, images, everything), and I could easily write a program to crawl the logs and tell me how many times any given address has accessed the site or any given file.
[Edit] This post was started before I saw Qhimm's post :P
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I'm not sure if it was broken. I would count 1 hit as 5. It looks fixed now..
What do you mean nice try Qhimm? Are you denying it? Are you saying it didn't go up 5? Because if so, you are a liar. I reloaded it some to make sure, and I'm not stupid. I know you don't get 5 people to your site every time I happened to reload the page. You fixing the code and then saying nice try to make me look bad... well um...
nice try.
you also can't post ips on the net like that qhimm, you should know better than that. Just like when you guys decided to post all of Rubicant's info in the Completely Unrelated forum. If you think refreshing a webpage is a DoS attack and a form of hacking or what not, then you are just as dumb and phony as people are figuring out.
"Do not ask me about any parts of my code because I don't even understand it." Probaby because you stole it. Oh yah, your hit counter going up 5 at a time, but now only 1... hmm... also phony to make your site look sooo big and bad... It's not.
Quote from Mofokubik: DoS attack? I expected better from you Qhimm. As if blocking my ip range for no reason wasn't enough, now you're blaming some stupid bandwidth limit on me and posting my ip and location freely on the internet. Let's just take a look at what DoS even means shall we?
Denial of Service attack occurs when a user tries to gain access to a resource normally is given to them, but is denied for various reasons such as an overload of users accessing a resource.
I hardly consider refreshing the page for a day with images disabled a DoS attack. get your facts straight, stop lying to your users. While this did happen, it was quite unexpected. My main goal of refreshing was to get the viewer counter up to 666k views, and I disabled images so it would go up faster, but shortly before reaching my goal something happened with the bandwidth and the site was temporarily shut down.
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I'm not sure if it was broken.
Are you denying it [was broken]? Are you saying it didn't go up 5? Because if so, you are a liar.
How about you don't contradict yourself? Your arguments will be more convincing that way.
You also can't post ips on the net like that qhimm, you should know better than that.
Erm, why in the world can't he? First of all, this is different than Rubicant's info -- Qhimm has not yet made any public accusations as to who did the DoS, he just said that it happened and provided the addresses responsible. Also, about the Rubicant incident, IIRC you were one of the ones asking for information.
"Do not ask me about any parts of my code because I don't even understand it." Probaby because you stole it.
Erm, it's not uncommon at all for people to forget how their code works if it is not well documented. My CS teachers stressed this and it has happened to me. And anyway, where would Qhimm had stolen it from? It sounds more like you are reaching to make accusations, in an attempt to make your position of defending Rubi/Mofo look better.
DoS attack? I expected better from you Qhimm. As if blocking my ip range for no reason wasn't enough, now you're blaming some stupid bandwidth limit on me and posting my ip and location freely on the internet.
Qhimm has yet to blame Mofo or attach Mofo to the address he posted. Also, that many hits can not be a coincidence, it was done on purpose to bring with mal intent. Anyway, since Mofo seems to have confessed to being responsible for the problem (by saying that he was refreshing the page with the images disabled to increase the count on the counter), then the bandwidth limit problem indeed his fault and if Qhimm was blaming him, why would it be a problem?
What is DoS?
Short for denial-of-service attack, a type of attack on a network that is designed to bring the network to its knees by flooding it with useless traffic.
In other words, hitting a site many times repeatedly can definately be classified as a DoS attack, whether that was what Mofo was trying to do or not. Even if he was only trying to "get the viewer counter up to 666k views," that is still a rediculous thing to do.
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Right, I'll just address it in order, shall I?
I'm not sure if it was broken. I would count 1 hit as 5. It looks fixed now..
The script hasn't been modified in the last two years, however the counter was reset to undo the 400,000 hits from the attack.
What do you mean nice try Qhimm? Are you denying it? Are you saying it didn't go up 5? Because if so, you are a liar. I reloaded it some to make sure, and I'm not stupid. I know you don't get 5 people to your site every time I happened to reload the page.
If you're going to call me liar, you'd better have proof. Please try, I would be quite amused to see what you could come up with. Oh, you wouldn't have happened to be empirically verifying this while the flooding was in progress, would you?
You fixing the code and then saying nice try to make me look bad... well um...
nice try.
Yes, I confess. I rigged the counter script in order to make you look bad.
you also can't post ips on the net like that qhimm, you should know better than that.
I can't? Why?
Just like when you guys decided to post all of Rubicant's info in the Completely Unrelated forum.
Not my doing, but as I understand it the info wasn't exactly hacked out of some confidential registry. I am also unaware of any harm done to Rubicant because of it.
If you think refreshing a webpage is a DoS attack and a form of hacking or what not, then you are just as dumb and phony as people are figuring out.
An attempt to disrupt a website's normal operation (the service) is, by definition, a denial-of-service attack, yes. And since I agree with this, it logically follows that I am dumb and phony. Point taken.
"Do not ask me about any parts of my code because I don't even understand it." Probaby because you stole it.
Yes, of course I did. Too bad most of my programs were the first of their kind when I released them.
Oh yah, your hit counter going up 5 at a time, but now only 1... hmm... also phony to make your site look sooo big and bad... It's not.
So far, the only ones who have tried to fake my visitor count were the attackers. As mentioned earlier, the only modification I made to the visitor counter was bring it down.
I deliberately avoided giving names of the attackers, but since Mofokubik has now admitted that the first IP is his, I guess there's no point to continue keeping the lid on.
Since Mofokubik now apparently speaks through Golbez, then I guess this will reach him, too.
DoS attack? I expected better from you Qhimm. As if blocking my ip range for no reason wasn't enough, now you're blaming some stupid bandwidth limit on me and posting my ip and location freely on the internet.
You did single-handedly generate 1.7GB of traffic in a few days. Your IP is public knowledge when you're online as per internet design, and your location can easily be looked up through the IP. Still I never even mentioned your nick, you tied yourself to it just now when you felt compelled to refute the facts I stated about an anonymous attacker.
Let's just take a look at what DoS even means shall we?
Denial of Service attack occurs when a user tries to gain access to a resource normally is given to them, but is denied for various reasons such as an overload of users accessing a resource.
Yes? Users of Qhimm.com were unable to access the website because your little refresh game overloaded the site. I concede to your point, and humbly accept your proof that what you did was a denial-of-service attack.
I hardly consider refreshing the page for a day with images disabled a DoS attack. get your facts straight, stop lying to your users.
Yes, I do appreciate that you had images disabled, it meant the site took three days to go down instead of one. Then again, if you hadn't you would have drained your own bandwidth faster too, so one might say that this was more an act of self-preservation (if you thought that far ahead, that is... but you claim to have been unaware that this little refresh game would waste bandwidth, so I'm sure that wasn't the case).
While this did happen, it was quite unexpected. My main goal of refreshing was to get the viewer counter up to 666k views, and I disabled images so it would go up faster, but shortly before reaching my goal something happened with the bandwidth and the site was temporarily shut down.
I'm sure it was a surprise, yes. It was a surprise to the rest of the Qhimm.com visitors as well. But let me get this straight: You and your friend spent several days refreshing your browser windows of http://www.qhimm.com, a total of 400,000+ refreshes? You yourself wasted over 1.7GB of your own bandwidth to bring up the visitor counter of Qhimm.com?
For the record, neither ignorance nor stupidity is a valid defense for breaking the law.
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I'm not sure if it was broken.
Are you denying it [was broken]? Are you saying it didn't go up 5? Because if so, you are a liar.
Since I didn't have that [was broken] part, dont quote me as saying that, because I didn't. I was asking if he was denying it going up 5. If it WASNT broken then guess what... Qhimm did it on purpose... So I wasn't contradicting myself.
You also can't post ips on the net like that qhimm, you should know better than that.
Erm, why in the world can't he? First of all, this is different than Rubicant's info -- Qhimm has not yet made any public accusations as to who did the DoS, he just said that it happened and provided the addresses responsible. Also, about the Rubicant incident, IIRC you were one of the ones asking for information.
Actually I didn't ask for people to POST them. I asked if people HAD any or knew anything. Also it was NORI would posted it all, who, SURPRISE, has a grudge against Rubicant. Also, if its not a big deal, why don't we post Qhimm's and your IP in full view to all the REAL hackers that PLAN attacks.
Do not ask me about any parts of my code because I don't even understand it." Probaby because you stole it.
Erm, it's not uncommon at all for people to forget how their code works if it is not well documented. My CS teachers stressed this and it has happened to me. And anyway, where would Qhimm had stolen it from? It sounds more like you are reaching to make accusations, in an attempt to make your position of defending Rubi/Mofo look better.
You are kidding right? Well now... if Qhimm is such a computer genuis then I think he could figure it out... And yes he said he wrote the Warning script code on here... Hmmm I seem to remember finding that on a phpbb site. And I'm not defending anybody. I'm tired of Qhimm taking everything out on people HE has issues with and ONLY the people he doesn't like. Oh no.. Rubicant's avatar is too big.. OMFG! Jeri left? Oh no.. its the end of the world.... ITS A FORUM FOR GOD SAKES! Other people are rude on here what happens? People laugh. If Rubicant so much as says "Hi" You IDIOTS start screaming bloody murder at how obnoxious and rude he is. I guess you idiot sticks haven't heard of an OPINION. Yes that's a big word for some of you. YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO RIDICULE AND THEN BAN SOMEONE FOR IT. Doing that is pretty immature and pathetic. I hate to post something like this but I am getting FED UP with all of the crap that goes on to a select view who just because 1 person hates them, everyone else thinks they have to also.
DoS attack? I expected better from you Qhimm. As if blocking my ip range for no reason wasn't enough, now you're blaming some stupid bandwidth limit on me and posting my ip and location freely on the internet.
Qhimm has yet to blame Mofo or attach Mofo to the address he posted. Also, that many hits can not be a coincidence, it was done on purpose to bring with mal intent. Anyway, since Mofo seems to have confessed to being responsible for the problem (by saying that he was refreshing the page with the images disabled to increase the count on the counter), then the bandwidth limit problem indeed his fault and if Qhimm was blaming him, why would it be a problem?
Let's go over what Mofo said again... shall we? He wanted to get the counter into the 666,000s. Wow... that sure is pure evil. OMG! THAT IS HORRIBLE :( If that is considered mal intent, and is sooo bad that Qhimm has to cry about it on his site, then you people are sad.
What is DoS?
Short for denial-of-service attack, a type of attack on a network that is designed to bring the network to its knees by flooding it with useless traffic.
In other words, hitting a site many times repeatedly can definately be classified as a DoS attack, whether that was what Mofo was trying to do or not. Even if he was only trying to "get the viewer counter up to 666k views," that is still a rediculous thing to do.
Well let's clarfiy this. It wasn't an attack because first off, he wasn't planning on crashing the site, and somebody that KNOWS about hacking would even realize that doing that would overload the bandwidth. So sorry, but this was not a planned attack to bring Qhimm's site down. If you remember a similar incident with 666, it was when Rubicant got his post count there... If this was done for mal intent I think they would have disguised themselves a little better.
Qhimm, I can't believe you are denying it. I tried the counter too. It was going up by 5's. Maybe you did not notice it, but it was. I have no reason to accuse you doing it to make ME look bad. If you DIDNT know it was being done, then good, its fixed. If you did then it wasnt to make ME look bad, it was to make YOUR page look like it gets lots of hits. Puhleeze. I respect what you did, until all of this crap is coming out. Now it makes me wonder espeically since you are denying the 5 hits. How the hell can they genereate 400,000 hits in 1 day. think about that.
Also lets do some math. 400,000 hits... 400,000 at 1 a second. That would take 4.6 DAYS. Now... if it was divided by 5 and started at 80000 TRUE hits, that would take .9 days... Hmmm what makes more sense. Oh wait maybe it loading 2 times a second...
Well 400000 hits would still be 2.31 days... at 2 a second...
But 80000 hits at 2 a second would be...whoa lookie here... 0.46 days... NOW THAT sounds about the correct time for the site to go down... now doesn't it MR NO EVIDENCE.
Also, it wasnt several days. Nice try... It was half a day...
ONE MORE THING... If your site is up now.. why the hell are you crying about it. I guess you and your superpowers got it fixed huh...
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[Edit] I had a long-winded retaliatory post here, but I erased it after about 20 minutes because this argument is rediculous and I'm tired of participating.
Later.
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After reading Qhimm's post below, I guess since you asked for it, I'll re-post my IP address.
216.188.241.250
Feel free to try hacking it if you want, just remember two things...
- My router keeps logs of all incoming and outgoing traffic (along with source/destination IP address and port number).
- If there is any activity that disrupts my internet service, it is a small matter to trace it to an IP address / ISP / physical location, and then a small matter to file an abuse complaint.
I also ask that you think about the facts for a minute or two before you go off ranting about Qhimm's post below.
That is all.
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Since I didn't have that [was broken] part, dont quote me as saying that, because I didn't. I was asking if he was denying it going up 5. If it WASNT broken then guess what... Qhimm did it on purpose... So I wasn't contradicting myself.
Why is this even an issue? Even if I was sad enough to fake my own visitor counter, fake visits don't generate traffic.
Also, if its not a big deal, why don't we post Qhimm's and your IP in full view to all the REAL hackers that PLAN attacks.
Sure, my IP is 130.236.233.97. I live in Linköping, Sweden, as you can also read on the left of all my posts. If you like, I can also provide my address and phone number, as it reads from the domain registry for qhimm.com?
You are kidding right? Well now... if Qhimm is such a computer genuis then I think he could figure it out... And yes he said he wrote the Warning script code on here... Hmmm I seem to remember finding that on a phpbb site.
Yes, there already exists a similar warning system for phpbb-based forums. I can provide the source code for my own script, if you would like to compare? Of course you won't, since you're not interested in facts -- your posts are merely trying to get away from the real issue, that Qhimm.com was brought down by your friend Mofokubik (ignorant or not). Apparently attacking my character is the best strategy you have.
And I'm not defending anybody. I'm tired of Qhimm taking everything out on people HE has issues with and ONLY the people he doesn't like. Oh no.. Rubicant's avatar is too big.. OMFG! Jeri left? Oh no.. its the end of the world.... ITS A FORUM FOR GOD SAKES! Other people are rude on here what happens? People laugh. If Rubicant so much as says "Hi" You IDIOTS start screaming bloody murder at how obnoxious and rude he is. I guess you idiot sticks haven't heard of an OPINION. Yes that's a big word for some of you. YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO RIDICULE AND THEN BAN SOMEONE FOR IT. Doing that is pretty immature and pathetic. I hate to post something like this but I am getting FED UP with all of the crap that goes on to a select view who just because 1 person hates them, everyone else thinks they have to also.
Yes, this is a forum, a forum you're free to leave. I mean, I wouldn't want to force you to visit a place you obviously despise.
Let's go over what Mofo said again... shall we? He wanted to get the counter into the 666,000s. Wow... that sure is pure evil. OMG! THAT IS HORRIBLE :( If that is considered mal intent, and is sooo bad that Qhimm has to cry about it on his site, then you people are sad.
Yes, we are. *wipes tears*
If Mofo wants to see a visitor counter at 666,000, he can set up his own site with it, or ask me to temporarily change the counter so he can see what it looks like. Instead he chose to bring down the site in his quest, either by mal intent or by stupidity; you are free to believe in either.
What is DoS?
Well let's clarfiy this. It wasn't an attack because first off, he wasn't planning on crashing the site, and somebody that KNOWS about hacking would even realize that doing that would overload the bandwidth. So sorry, but this was not a planned attack to bring Qhimm's site down. If you remember a similar incident with 666, it was when Rubicant got his post count there... If this was done for mal intent I think they would have disguised themselves a little better.
Yes, and the man wasn't murdered since his ex-wife didn't realize that pulling the trigger would kill him. And yes, they didn't disguise themselves. And yes, this is a reasonably ineffective way to bring down a site if you wanted to. But the site was still down after being flooded, and Mofokubik is still responsible for it. The question is, what are YOU getting so cooked about?
Qhimm, I can't believe you are denying it. I tried the counter too. It was going up by 5's. Maybe you did not notice it, but it was. I have no reason to accuse you doing it to make ME look bad. If you DIDNT know it was being done, then good, its fixed. If you did then it wasnt to make ME look bad, it was to make YOUR page look like it gets lots of hits. Puhleeze. I respect what you did, until all of this crap is coming out. Now it makes me wonder espeically since you are denying the 5 hits. How the hell can they genereate 400,000 hits in 1 day. think about that.
1. The counter doesn't go up by 5's now.
2. You haven't been able to verify this behavior since during the flooding.
3. If I'm trying to make my site look like it's getting a lot of hits, why did I remove the 400,000 hits from Mofo&friend, before anyone noticed them?
4. Do you honestly believe I'm basing my claims on a counter script? The access logs have recorded 263,749 hits on the main page from his IP, and that figure has nothing to do with my counter script.
5. I don't have to think nor speculate, I'm just reading what the server has recorded.
6. After attacking me personally, am I supposed to be touched by your loss of "respect" for me?
Also lets do some math. 400,000 hits... 400,000 at 1 a second. That would take 4.6 DAYS. Now... if it was divided by 5 and started at 80000 TRUE hits, that would take .9 days... Hmmm what makes more sense. Oh wait maybe it loading 2 times a second...
Quite a coincidence, since the logs show heavily increased traffic over a period of 3 days. Again, the number of hits are taken from the access logs, I couldn't fake those even if I wanted to.
Well 400000 hits would still be 2.31 days... at 2 a second... But 80000 hits at 2 a second would be...whoa lookie here... 0.46 days... NOW THAT sounds about the correct time for the site to go down... now doesn't it MR NO EVIDENCE.
This is ridiculous. Look for yourself (http://www.qhimm.com/stats/stats.html), then. But I guess you'll claim I faked it.
ONE MORE THING... If your site is up now.. why the hell are you crying about it. I guess you and your superpowers got it fixed huh...
Yes, you see, since I'm a horrible person I'm not exactly the forgive-and-forget type. And did you stop to wonder to get extra bandwidth for a site? Let me relieve you of mental stress: you BUY it. But since Mofokubik (and you too, it seems) think it's no deal, I'm sure you won't mind if I send you the bill, then?
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You are kidding right? Well now... if Qhimm is such a computer genuis then I think he could figure it out... And yes he said he wrote the Warning script code on here... Hmmm I seem to remember finding that on a phpbb site. And I'm not defending anybody. I'm tired of Qhimm taking everything out on people HE has issues with and ONLY the people he doesn't like. Oh no.. Rubicant's avatar is too big.. OMFG! Jeri left? Oh no.. its the end of the world.... ITS A FORUM FOR GOD SAKES! Other people are rude on here what happens? People laugh. If Rubicant so much as says "Hi" You IDIOTS start screaming bloody murder at how obnoxious and rude he is. I guess you idiot sticks haven't heard of an OPINION. Yes that's a big word for some of you. YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO RIDICULE AND THEN BAN SOMEONE FOR IT. Doing that is pretty immature and pathetic. I hate to post something like this but I am getting FED UP with all of the crap that goes on to a select view who just because 1 person hates them, everyone else thinks they have to also.
I took up for Rubicant.. Not EVERYONE hated him.. You are making a broad generalization here and quite frankly you are sounding like an ass.. I'm not going to tear apart your post and explain things because honestly, at this point, I dont care.. Bottom line.. If you are FED UP then go..
Let's go over what Mofo said again... shall we? He wanted to get the counter into the 666,000s. Wow... that sure is pure evil. OMG! THAT IS HORRIBLE If that is considered mal intent, and is sooo bad that Qhimm has to cry about it on his site, then you people are sad.
Why the hell would he want to raise the counter? What is the point in that at all? Raising the counter isnt evil, but the side effects from this little attempt were.
Here's the deal..
This is Qhimm's site. This is not a democracy. It is run how he wants it to be. If you don't like how this site is operated you have an option, and actually it's a pretty easy option. Do you know what it is? It's called: DONT COME HERE ANYMORE!!!
This is how EVERY web page works out there.. Someone owns the site and takes care of it.. People visit and join and form a community.. The rules havent changed since the whole time I have been here, and Qhimm did what he had to do.. Rubicant was given several chances.. And on any forum if you choose not to follow the rules you dont even need to be warned it can be just snap BAN..
I don't like math much, but let me show you some math maybe it will help you understand.
1 + 1 = GROW THE FUCK UP!
This stunt was the LAMEST thing I have ever seen come through this site, and I was honestly taken aback at first. I really thought that Rubicant and Mofokubik were above something as childish as this.. Really, I chalk this right up there with Joey's escapades, but atleast Joey wasn't this stupid.
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Actually I didn't ask for people to POST them. I asked if people HAD any or knew anything. Also it was NORI would posted it all, who, SURPRISE, has a grudge against Rubicant. Also, if its not a big deal, why don't we post Qhimm's and your IP in full view to all the REAL hackers that PLAN attacks.
A grudge against Rubicant?
If I had a grudge against Rubicant: Wouldn't YOU know his secrets already? :roll:
Generously, Mofokubik asked where Rubicant was... (Since this February or March)
I even asked Aaron, Caddberry & Qhimm.com members. . .
I even suggested Mofokubik to ask Qhimm (For magicsheep & Rubicant: Email addresses)
Also Mofokubik wrote about: Rubicant Where Are You? At Completely unrelated forum:
Rubicant's Zip Code:
Rubicant used to provide his Zip Code in ICQ profile (Before he removed it) :roll:
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Everybody.
This is simple.
Mofokubik and his friend made a pre-meditated ATTACK, yes, attack on the site.
No matter what you think it is, Its an attack. You may not have intended to bring down the site. But you did.
Its like if I decide to shoot at Qhimm and Im aiming to miss him...but I dont and kill him. It's still murder. Not only that, but that scenario, like this surrent event, Is completely idiotic. How about you two grow the hell up, and stop trying to destroy the community from the outside now that you can't do it from the inside.
Why do you do these types of things....hmm?
Does it get you a rush to know that you bought down A GAMES HACKING WEBSITE ?!?! OH MY GOD! what an acheivement. Seriously, you people must have nothing better to do with your live than sit infront of your computer,with your finger on the F5 button.
Sad, lifeless S of Bs.
(Ohhh so many post destroyers :D)
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Even if Rubicant had his Zip code in his ICQ profile.. Only people that know him would see that. Not any random person that happens to stumble on this board. And go ahead and send me the bill qhimm... I don't care. Since I did nothign that would be pointless.
OMFG. an attack.. wow... a premeditated attack. See you think I MAKE baseless accusations. Wow. A PREMEDITATED attack now... incredible. So what happens if my bandwidth happens to be running low, and someone sees my counter is 1,000 hits off. If he keeps hitting to do it, and my site goes down, then I get anal about it? Hm... ok.. if thats how "normal" people work. 7k for the page at 400,000 hits also wont generate 1.7GB of traffic btw... just to point that out.
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OMFG. an attack.. wow... a premeditated attack. See you think I MAKE baseless accusations. Wow. A PREMEDITATED attack now... incredible. So what happens if my bandwidth happens to be running low, and someone sees my counter is 1,000 hits off. If he keeps hitting to do it, and my site goes down, then I get anal about it? Hm... ok.. if thats how "normal" people work. 7k for the page at 400,000 hits also wont generate 1.7GB of traffic btw... just to point that out.
Sure... well now it wasn't 1,000 hits, it was two-hundred times the normal traffic on the site. Likening the flooding to a less serious offense isn't much of a defense. Had it been a mere 1,000 hits I wouldn't even have posted about it, but it wasn't, and so I did.
Hehe, let me refresh your memory and math skills. Mofokubik generated 260,000 hits (the other attacker another 125,000). 260,000 divided by 1.7GB is equal to 7kB, which is also what you get if you gzip-compress index.shtml, style.css and script.js (the files that are sent when reloading the main page without images). Had gzip-compression not been enabled by my server, or had he used a browser that didn't support it, the same little "refreshing game" would have generated 9GB of traffic for Mofokubik alone; remind me to send him a "thank you" card. So... what was your point again?
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Even if Rubicant had his Zip code in his ICQ profile.. Only people that know him would see that.
And your point is?
NorikoForums: Fine I have a question for you, you really think I have a grudge against Rubicant?
Mofokubik: No
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I made my point Nori. Was it too complicated? ONLY PEOPLE HE KNOWS WOULD GET HIS ZIP CODE. ITS NOT PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT WAY. IF YOU POST IT ON A PUBLIC FORUM, THEN ANYBODY CAN GET IT. I guess that was too complicated.
So? This is the worst explanation of a grudge against Rubicant. . .
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I made my point Nori. Was it too complicated? ONLY PEOPLE HE KNOWS WOULD GET HIS ZIP CODE. ITS NOT PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT WAY. IF YOU POST IT ON A PUBLIC FORUM, THEN ANYBODY CAN GET IT. I guess that was too complicated.
Ok, if thats is so, your stats page, curiosity question.. why does it say:
KBytes per Day:
avg: 246134
max: 1639716 (this would be about 1.6 GB would it not? This does say KB per day?)
Then lower is June 11 Stats
707373 48.70%
241291 47.64%
230599 58.75%
140 7.03%
268 9.49%
1639716 51.25% (The 1.6 GB again, only on June 11?)
Do these stats work differently? Or does June 11th count as 3 days? Just a question. After this I say forget this because, everything will just be denied over and over.
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KBytes per Day:
avg: 246134
max: 1639716 (this would be about 1.6 GB would it not? This does say KB per day?)
Then lower is June 11 Stats
707373 48.70%
241291 47.64%
230599 58.75%
140 7.03%
268 9.49%
1639716 51.25% (The 1.6 GB again, only on June 11?)
Surely you just contradicted your argument as those stats prove quite clearly how much bandwidth was wasted and when. 1.6GB of bandwidth was generated on June 11th, yes. Also, 554563KB was generated on the 10th, and 615603KB on the 12th. That's nearly 3GB of traffic over three days. The 'max' KB per day is an indicator of the most KB sent out in any one day - the 11th, as you said.
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You guys are stupid. So Fuck off. Believe what you want. And no i didnt contradict myself. I clearly stated 1.7 GB on June 11th and thats exactly what i posted.
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You guys are stupid. So f*** off. Believe what you want.
Heh, thanks. I think I'll keep a copy of this discussion. ^_^
Oh, and maybe I should share this:
2004-06-15 00:29 Kucoru: Actually, our true intent was to increase the counter on the page to 666,000. We got so close, then your site shut down.
Anyways, that's now a semi-good reason to ban me. Good riddance.
Like before, I withheld the name of the second attacker, but now that Rubicant has openly admitted to his part as well there's no longer any need to.
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Yah your right Qhimm, he openly admitted it by sending you a PRIVATE message... Sooo open.... moron...
Heh, thanks. I think I'll keep a copy of this discussion. ^_^
Wow.. Qhimm you're sooo cool... You can keep copies of stuff. wow... I'm impressed...
in response to nori
[13:02] Me: and you told nori that she doesnt have a grudge against rubicant?
[13:07] Mofokubik: I seen it
[13:07] Mofokubik: I didn't care, I just wanted her off of my back
[13:08] Me: well you saying that
[13:08] Me: she posted it
[13:08] Mofokubik: Motherfuckign bitch
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Yah your right Qhimm, he openly admitted it by sending you a PRIVATE message... Sooo open.... moron...
Heh, thanks. I think I'll keep a copy of this discussion. ^_^
Well put it this way. You tell everyon to fuck off and then call the admin a moron. What hopes do you have of staying a part of this community in any way shape or form?
Becoause I can tell you now. Whaterve hop you had has now been decimated.
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I had hopes of staying here??? ROFL!!!
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This is absaloutly pathetic.
Oh well in the end it's another groupie for Mofo and Rubi, and another asshat that needs to be banned. Goodbye.
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Seems you are the moron Jari, but I already knew that. Your "3rd definition": 'completely free from concealment' Well now... If it was COMPLETELY free from concealment, that would mean... not sent to 1 person now wouldn't?
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Is anyone going to get upset at a newbie for saying that this has gotten petty? Qhimm posts information about an attack that brought the site down for a time, and a certain someone gets pissy about it. And now its not even about that anymore, its just a series of attacks about whatever comes to mind from the last thing that was said. Please people, someone here (you all know who) has gotten to all of you, and I dont blame any of you for that, but dont sink to their level please, let him run his mouth, and prove him wrong, but dont feed him anything else to go on, please.
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Seems you are the moron Jari, but I already knew that. Your "3rd definition": 'completely free from concealment' Well now... If it was COMPLETELY free from concealment, that would mean... not sent to 1 person now wouldn't?
Yes, well, in closing let me just say I love your style of arguing by constantly shooting yourself in the foot with every other sentence. I doubt you'll read this however, as I think I've played along long enough. Bye.
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Bye Bye Golbez :P
Edit: haha.. Qhimm banned you while I was posting this message
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dont feed him anything else to go on, please.
GAH!" once again I forgot my motto of "Please dont feed the trolls"
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in response to nori
[13:02] Me: and you told nori that she doesnt have a grudge against rubicant?
[13:07] Mofokubik: I seen it
[13:07] Mofokubik: I didn't care, I just wanted her off of my back
[13:08] Me: well you saying that
[13:08] Me: she posted it
[13:08] Mofokubik: Motherfuckign b*tch
That's too bad Murphy (Mofokubik)
Robert (Golbez)〠左様ãªã‚‰ã€‚
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Poor kid, dug himself so deep he couldn't see the light.
As for comparing him or the attackers with Joey, Joey wasn't half as bad. He lied and stuff, but didn't attack the site or its members IIRC. Golbez is just a kid.... or a moron, with no understanding of what an argument is, or possibly no understanding in anything at all.
As for Mofo and Rubicant, I'm surprised they sank this low. Refreshing to get the counter to 666k is even sadder than the guy who wants to reach level 99 in the first reactor (http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?t=3082).
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And now we have another thread on what not to do on the qhimm.com forums.
*sigh*
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Nori just pointed this out to me.... http://donate.qhimm.com/
That's right, Golbez donated today. I imagine he did it after the ban, considering his attitude before. Though I can't imagine it has anything to do with the ban since he'd already shown his feelings about staying. Perhaps he realised that Mofo and Rubicant's acts did cost Qhimm, or maybe he donated it on their behalf. I'm baffled.
Edit (Reply to Qhimm): Alright alright! How was I meant to know? -_-
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Almost makes one consider banning more people... :wink:
Note: This being Golbez' first offense, I've decided to reduce the ban to the customary warning. This is still a strong warning however, and his behaviour in the near future will determine if the ban will return. Consider it a brief period of probation.
And no, this has nothing to do with him donating money; pardons can't be bought ;)
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I did it on their behalf because it did cost Qhimm money and because I'm sorry for flaming like that. I have not had a good week. Ignore everything I said. I found out this week horrible news so I have been in a horrible mood. So I AM AN ASS. Now leave me be...
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I did it on their behalf because it did cost Qhimm money and because I'm sorry for flaming like that. I have not had a good week. Ignore everything I said. I found out this week horrible news so I have been in a horrible mood. So I AM AN ASS. Now leave me be...
I thought you were banned?
Anyway, yes hearing horrible news is a great excuse to fly off the handle and lash out at those around you..
In fact flaming on a forum, and trying to raise the counter on a site after you are banned from it are great signs of maturity..
This is exactly what you did, and here is an analogy..
You beat the shit out of your wife because you haven't had a good week, and just found out horrible news. Does buying her flowers make it all better?
I will say though that your flowers were a nice gesture.
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I thought you were banned?
Anyway, yes hearing horrible news is a great excuse to fly off the handle and lash out at those around you..
In fact flaming on a forum, and trying to raise the counter on a site after you are banned from it are great signs of maturity..
This is exactly what you did, and here is an analogy..
You beat the sh*t out of your wife because you haven't had a good week, and just found out horrible news. Does buying her flowers make it all better?
Well, Im gonna play devils advocate here for just a second. I'll start with the easiest first.
The counter was not him, if was Rubi and Mofo, and a donation was made because that did cost Qhimm money, that doesnt change that it was done, but I think that does account for a reparation, Rubi and Mofo were not unbanned for that, but I think if the donation was equal or greater than the monitary cost of the attack, then all that was lost was time, and thats in the past. So if that can be that, we shall move on.
As for the flaming, yes he did, he admits that, and Caddberry, youre quite right, bad news is no excuse to not be civil, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I think weve all lost our temper at one time or another. No, it doesnt make it right, but on the other hand, he was banned for this one thing, and Qhimm made the decision to reduce that ban to a warning, and I dont see that as innappropriate.
So I think that as long as this scenario isnt repeated, if he remains civil, knowing that if he acts otherwise punishment wont be reduced the next time, then there shouldnt be any more problems. I dont mean look over this incident, but then how many times did you all say Rubi should have been banned? Give him another chance, everyone deserves that right?
I will say though that your flowers were a nice gesture.
Yea, they's purdy. :oops: Haha.
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but let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Does that mean that I don't have to obey laws, because there's no police in the whole world who's decent enough to arrest me? :P Ie. biblical references have somewhat limited use in real world.
My apologies, I think that was misunderstood, what I mean to say is that its not up to we the average people to make that judgement. But when a person is in a position specifically for the purpose of making those decisions (be they admin or mod online or an officer or goverment worker in the real world) it is their place to do so, which also comes with the fact that they should be treated more harshly if they are the ones at fault, because its their responsibility to see that others dont. All I mean is that its up to Qhimm and whomever he trusts to be a mod or admin to make these calls.
and Qhimm made the decision to reduce that ban to a warning, and I dont see that as innappropriate.
Which wouldn't even matter; this is not a democracy.
True, its not my decision either, I never meant that it was, my apologies again if it seemed that way. I just meant that I dont have any disagreement with that decision, and if I did, I know it wouldnt be an issue as this is not my site.
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to quote you Cadd, it actually involves my ex-fiancee giving me a beating, and now I cannot have kids... and she is denying it all... so yes. I could be having surgery in 2 weeks if all the drugs im on dont do anything for me...
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to quote you Cadd, it actually involves my ex-fiancee giving me a beating, and now I cannot have kids... and she is denying it all... so yes. I could be having surgery in 2 weeks if all the drugs im on dont do anything for me...
One word
Hella painfull.
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to quote you Cadd, it actually involves my ex-fiancee giving me a beating, and now I cannot have kids... and she is denying it all... so yes. I could be having surgery in 2 weeks if all the drugs im on dont do anything for me...
What did you do to deserve that?
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Oh man, it looks like I really missed something here... ;)
- Alhexx
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I will say though that your flowers were a nice gesture.
If you consider an attempt to buy indulgence as a nice gesture... :roll:
There was a lot of sarcasm implied in my statement.. I apologize if it didnt carry over. :wink:
but let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Does that mean that I don't have to obey laws, because there's no police in the whole world who's decent enough to arrest me? :P Ie. biblical references have somewhat limited use in real world.
My apologies, I think that was misunderstood, what I mean to say is that its not up to we the average people to make that judgement. But when a person is in a position specifically for the purpose of making those decisions (be they admin or mod online or an officer or goverment worker in the real world) it is their place to do so, which also comes with the fact that they should be treated more harshly if they are the ones at fault, because its their responsibility to see that others dont. All I mean is that its up to Qhimm and whomever he trusts to be a mod or admin to make these calls.
Uh.. I'm not a god.. I'm not a judge.. Most of the people of the internet arent.. (But i swear i have met god in a few chatrooms)
The without sin statement about casting stones can be used anywhere..
There are just so many flaws with it I'm having a hard time picking one out.. That and its 9.30 am I'm tired.. And just really dont care anymore..
I think weve all lost our temper at one time or another. No, it doesnt make it right, but on the other hand, he was banned for this one thing, and Qhimm made the decision to reduce that ban to a warning, and I dont see that as innappropriate.
I was just asking because of what people said earlier i was confused when he came back.. I dont see unbanning him as being innappropriate, but I dont remember saying that I did.. and as jari pointed out .. Its not a democracy
@Golbez - If she tries to give you flowers to get back with her dont take them.
Really, I'm sorry that happened to you..
@ Alhexx - Yeah.. Qhimm.com springer style..
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Well what happened is this:
She used me the whole time. She was cheating on me, and her life is a lie. No one knows who she really is. She is like a character in Alias. Nobody has a clue to who she really is, and I found out. So she decided to "punish?" me for that. Apparentely she cheats on every bf she every had or will have. So once again, sorry I took my wrath, anger, somberness, and idiocy out on all of you guys.
@ Cadd - :wink: If she gives me flowers.. I will take them, eat the pretty part, and then spit them in her face. I am already very close to suing her for all my medical bills.
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Damn man..and I though *I* was weird eating the flavoured rizzlas....
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thats some drama, i skimmed a lot but i know drama when i see it, golbez did she fuck with your nuts? if i couldnt have no kids because of some broad, fuck suing slap that bitch like the hoe she is.
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thats some drama, i skimmed a lot but i know drama when i see it, golbez did she f*** with your nuts? if i couldnt have no kids because of some broad, f*** suing slap that b*tch like the hoe she is.
uhh you revivied a 7 months old thread.................
and you got a one warning........
CORRECTION: you got banned..............
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