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Timu Sumisu

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #50 on: 2013-08-19 18:22:19 »
yep, n smooth out the dark block underneath, no hard shadows in that area :P

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« Reply #51 on: 2013-08-19 23:31:42 »

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #52 on: 2013-08-20 04:05:32 »
Excellent work!

You know that what you're showing here means we'll all be dreaming of a remake for each character?  ;D

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« Reply #53 on: 2013-08-20 05:03:31 »
The tank top texture maybe more like this

The belly button looks wrong placed, the model struckture of Tifa in FF7 dosen't allow to show a belly button, because the skirt is placed to high.
« Last Edit: 2013-08-20 06:24:25 by Kaldarasha »

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #54 on: 2013-08-20 06:05:34 »
We've already pointed out the discrepancy and believe showing the belly button is more accurate to the artists' original intentions.

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« Reply #55 on: 2013-08-20 06:41:48 »

The belly button is wrong. As I said it's impossible to show one with the original FF7 body size. Even if it's in the original art, for a more realistic look the belly button must be much lower. I don't think it's a 'must have' that she has one, anyway. The hip and the upper legs could be a bit wider, but the perspective could lie to me.

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #56 on: 2013-08-20 09:39:25 »
I'm wondering what she's wearing underneath...? :P :P She's not French after all...  ;D

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« Reply #57 on: 2013-08-20 15:05:45 »
I guess you're right about the belly button but if you look at the original artwork, wich the 3d model was based on, you can see her belly button, so he could drop it to above her belt maybe, or below; not showing it or showing half of it, idk... Tifa's thighs and hip aren't quite large if you think of it, her boobs definitely are, but her lower limbs are quite normal with great curves. So i don't know if it's worth changing it.

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #58 on: 2013-08-20 15:47:57 »
Decided to change it so now it only shows up when she stretches during her fanfare animation


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« Reply #59 on: 2013-08-20 16:22:50 »
That's better. :-D
I have shown the pic of Lara, only to pin point that the folds of top should be a bit lower, like in the pic of the dessidia Tifa.

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #60 on: 2013-08-21 05:22:44 »
Redid the wrinkles for the top

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I think it looks better, and less fake now.

I was expecting to release today but I took a break and started playing STALKER SoC again and I just got sucked in, so sorry  :-\
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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #61 on: 2013-08-22 04:52:16 »
It looks really really nice.

A great job, BloodShot!

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #62 on: 2013-08-22 12:31:53 »
Skirt needs some works on the creases still, and the bottom lip is still pretty giant. I'd also pass the whole texture over to add more depth with shadows/highlights, it still reads pretty flat. The skin especially.

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« Reply #63 on: 2013-08-22 15:05:39 »
Can please you change her cupid's bow and neck it still looks off thank you.

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« Reply #64 on: 2013-08-22 19:02:11 »
You know your model's good when you get this much criticism. No one would give two shits about a bad one ;D

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #65 on: 2013-08-22 19:21:47 »
hehe thanks

Skirt needs some works on the creases still, and the bottom lip is still pretty giant. I'd also pass the whole texture over to add more depth with shadows/highlights, it still reads pretty flat. The skin especially.

Will do, though I've been wary of doing the skin shading more since I want the joints to match up ingame like they currently do and not look like separate parts.

I'll play around with it though.

EDIT: Tweaked the lips a bit



« Last Edit: 2013-08-22 19:44:48 by BloodShot »

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #66 on: 2013-08-22 19:40:35 »
I get you.

the joints need only really match when extended in certain ways. Make clever use of bits of mesh normally hidden to be colored correctly when the show, as well as keeping in mind joints shouldnt always blend, such as the creasing at the elbow when you lift your forearm in a bicep curl.

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #67 on: 2013-08-22 22:23:54 »
I still think her face looks a little too long, or too big, probably too long.  I agree with what LeonheartGR said on the first page, about reducing that distance a little bit on her cheekbone area.  The face just looks odd right now, not Tifa-like I guess.

But the model overall looks great in game!  That screen shot you posted looks great, the joints look awesome.  A big problem I see with other Tifa models is that her joints look very unnatural, especially her knees.  But her joints look so good on yours!

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #68 on: 2013-08-23 04:40:45 »
I've compared bloodshot tifa's face with some other artworks and found this

The third and last one from the left, the dissidia one, is more likely to be chosen...

I've also took some measures with the intention to help, not criticize, most measures were pretty similar but others had a small difference.




One difference I found was the eye to eye distance, because the eyes size was increased but it took away some face simetry, leaving the eye to ear distance a little small, or maybe her eyeballs are too much lateral they could be more medial. But this isn't such a big deal.
[I'm not sure what the hell I did at those units but i think they're in inches not meters, sorry I was a little sleepy when I did it]
Generally I think her jaw/ cheeks near the chin area could be a little rounder a little larger (Tifa has sort of a round face after all) and her head is a bit long, I guess that could be fixed rising her nose, mouth and chin a bit.
(I think the head that I took those measures was a little turned to the left, therefore not showing her ear maybe, or not idk).
Still she's already a great model if you wanted to release like that, I definitely wouldn't complain :D, I'm just trying to help some way I can :X instead of just saying, oh great model can't wait when she's gonna be ready and things like that...
[I did using zoom, maybe that's why the unit/ measures are so crazy, but the proportion is right.]
« Last Edit: 2013-08-23 05:04:21 by Giullio »

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #69 on: 2013-08-23 10:51:07 »
I was wrong... the line on the right cheek should've been longer.
Count this in

« Last Edit: 2013-08-23 11:10:24 by LeonhartGR »

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #70 on: 2013-08-23 14:54:47 »
I was wrong... the line on the right cheek should've been longer.
Count this in



Yeah, that's what I was going for, I think that would make her jaw/cheeks rounder.

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #71 on: 2013-08-26 05:47:21 »
You guys probably don't realize kimera has a very different FOV from other programs which changes how it looks quite a bit from how it looks in modelling programs/in-game

For comparison, here's the Dissidia Tifa at a very similar angle



Notice how different it looks from the example pic posted, thanks to the higher Field of View - the face shape appears to be much more gaunt, the eyes appear farther apart, etc.

I have changed it to be a bit shorter though.
« Last Edit: 2013-08-26 06:15:35 by BloodShot »

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #72 on: 2013-08-26 07:04:48 »
Wow, you're right, I didn't know that, I'm sorry. She looks just like yours at this point of view. Well, from what I can see I don't have anything else to annoy you about. I'll leave it to the experts (Timu), but I don't think there is much more to say about her. She's awesome, you're awesome. :)

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #73 on: 2013-08-26 07:59:37 »
I want to play with the skin and clothes textures a bit more, but she's almost ready. Hopefully by tomorrow, but I'll have to see how it goes.

I would have been done earlier, but I've been busy getting ready for my next college semester, and been distracted by playing Stalker again which has got me so damn immersed I keep forgetting to do things I have to  :-D
« Last Edit: 2013-08-26 08:01:27 by BloodShot »

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Re: [WIP] Tifa
« Reply #74 on: 2013-08-26 09:24:32 »
I think you can add extra detail on the upper right of her head as seen from the artworks.