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Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: The SaiNt on 2001-02-26 16:28:00
Well, its not for the one that I just sat for. It's my SPM results!!! For those of you that have no idea what results they are, they're the results for the govt. exam before entry to A-Levels. They're coming out tomorrow exactly 13 hours from now to be exact. I do hope I get good results so I can qualify for a scholarship.
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: ficedula on 2001-02-26 18:07:00
Well, good luck.

Incidentally, your questions in the Tech Related forum indicate you're considering studying abroad. Yes?

Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: eerrrr on 2001-02-26 21:10:00
good luck SaiNt, hope you do well. if you're moving abroad, will you be staying on this message board? i suppose its along time from now though.
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: Joey on 2001-02-27 16:40:00
Wow, I didin't know that it is out that late. But anyway, good luck!!!
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: The SaiNt on 2001-02-27 10:08:00
Thanks, guys
My results just came out and I got a near perfect score!!!
I got 9A's out of 10.
The subject I didn't get A is moral studies.
It's a stupid subject anyway.
I am looking to study abroad but don't worry I'll always be posting as long as I can get access to the web
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: Jedimark on 2001-02-27 16:25:00
Well done The SaiNt 9/10 not bad at all. Although I dont quite understand what your exam was casue I dont live in the same country as you!
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: atzn on 2001-02-27 17:18:00
Congrats.....btw I agree with you Saint moral is really a stupid subject,I'll only be sitting SPM next year, and I know how hard are all the subjects! Congrats, getting 9As isn't easy huh.....
(Imagine my Moral teacher forcing me to memorise all the 16 "Moral Values" + 64 "Sub Values" and their definition in two months)
Crap.
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: eerrrr on 2001-02-27 20:48:00
ohhhh, 9/10 eh? sounds very good. what do you do in Moral? the most stupid lesson at my secondary school is P.S.H.E where the class just talks about drugs and smoking and really stupid stuff, and the government dont seem to realise we already know what all the stuff is. pah. anyway, well done SaiNt.
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: cHiBiMaRuKo on 2001-02-27 20:56:00
That were a great result. Congrattulations.
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: ficedula on 2001-02-27 21:21:00
Congrats! So where do you go from here?
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: The SaiNt on 2001-02-28 05:32:00
Jedimark : If I say its the equivalent of the O-level exam would you understand?

eerrrr : In moral studies, we have to answer structured and essay questions based on 16 "Moral Values" + 64 "Sub Values" and their definitions like FFTactic_Boy said

ficedula : Like I said earlier i'm doing a Matriculation in IT currently. I enquired my college about what U's they twin with and unfortunately the only ones available for direct transfer in Computer Sc. are University of Birmingham and University of Melbourne(Aus) but they said if I get really good results in my first year diploma, I can apply for a transfer to any U!

Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: Jedimark on 2001-02-28 14:01:00
O Levels? They were abolished ages ago! Didn't they stand for ordinary levels and they were for 15 year olds and were equivalent to our GCSE's? So your going on to College then to do A-levels next then? What are you going to study?
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: Jedimark on 2001-02-28 14:02:00
Oh just read the rest of this forum... I see what your going to do now! Good Luck. PS Don't go to Birmingham!
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: dagsverre on 2001-03-01 18:04:00
"Imagine my Moral teacher forcing me to memorise all the 16 "Moral Values" + 64 "Sub Values" and their definition in two months"

This line really saddens me. I have no idea what kind of lectures this is, but I'm pretty sure that you can't 'define' moral.

Moral is a subjective thing. In nazi-germany it was moral to slaughter jews. Nowadays killing is completely immoral, though some hundred years ago it was a part of life.

So, trying to define "16 moral values" is just stupid. What if I happen to have 17 moral values? Who are you to stop me? This kind of thinking really offends me.

Moral classes should have been discussions that we can learn from ourselves. Shovelling pre-made definitions down our throats aren't going to learn us anything. Any form of "memorizing" isn't going to learn us anything, because the important parts lies in the understanding of a subject. For instance, a person who have a deep enough knowledge about moral would be able to reason him/herself to those definitions about moral without having any knowledge about them. Like the person who made those definitions you had to learn probably did.

I don't like the way my own school is teaching either but at least it's not this bad.

About grades...I try not to think about them too much. If I get low grades in something it is because I'm not interested in it, and in that case getting good grades in it would not be all that moral, since I would show interest in something I'm not interested in. I think it is fun to have an understanding of something, but if I have to memorize something I don't see the point in memorizing then what is really the point?

History is a good example. You can remember all the dates you want to but it doesn't matter as long as you can't see the broad picture and see how history repeats itself, even today. We aren't very different from other culures previously in time. Still, remembering those dates will in a badly designed course give you high grades. People who only try to remember dates and don't care about understanding should get the lowest possible grades possible...we don't need people like that, it's just to open a lexicon. On the other hand, a lexicon can't tell us where the world is heading and why.

Sorry for going off like that, not sure what happened ;-)

Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: ficedula on 2001-03-01 18:31:00
Dag: Hear hear. Trying to teach moral values is what I'd call immoral (no irony intended). Morals are completely relative values ... at least, that's what I think. My old teachers seemed horrified that that's what I believed, but that's their problem...

As for history: Also true. The A-Level history course I took was a good one though; you could only get a grade E (v.low) by quoting facts; anything above that had to be earned by analysing the situation and trying to come to a reasoned conclusion of your own. That's what subjects *should* be like; unfortunately, GCSE's are mostly just rote learning.

Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: The SaiNt on 2001-03-02 05:56:00
Dag, I completely agree with you. In fact I think nearly my whole country who has taken the Moral subject before would agree with you. The subject has been like that and the results are so unpredictable. Many people have complained to the Education Ministry and local newspapers have made special focuses on this particular topic but to no avail.

You won't believe how stupid the education system is in my country! Even for history, only facts from the book are to be written, no self-opinionated facts may be included. I mean that's still fine with me except the fact that the History subject is completely based on MEMORIZING and not on UNDERSTANDING. History can be an interesting subject if it's taught in the right way.

I'm not too sure about the A-Levels history cause I'm not taking A-Levels! A lot of my classmates are, so I do have a rough idea how it's like. It's more understanding oriented but nevertheless the government still holds the reins in history subject so it still has the memorizing element in it. Although I'm taking Matriculation in IT course, I'm still forced to at least pass 2 subjects, Moral Studies(Again) and Malaysian Studies which is my country's equivalent to History for college level. In fact, there is no escaping these 2 subjects if anyone decides to study in Malaysia.

There is one exception though, if one is a muslim or decides to be a muslim he/she does not have to take Moral Studies but must instead take Islamic Studies which is far easier to study for. Mind you though, Islamic studies is not like Bible Studies, it's much easier. When student's in my country strive hard to attain and 'A' in Moral, the muslim's get marks like 99% for Islamic Studies. And is so happens that the Muslim's in my country make the majority and they are the one's in control of the goverment. You get the idea? Sorry if I can't make my point any clearer but if I do, I'll probably be imprisoned.

Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: The Skillster on 2001-03-02 10:08:00
easy!, or itll start some religous warfar on the board!  :D
We wouldnt want that know would we...?
(If it did though, id be in the front lines  :D)
Title: Aaah, My Results Are Coming Out!!!
Post by: Joey on 2001-03-05 16:59:00
Wow. hope that you get to study abroad. Where? England?