Square's gonna release FFX for the PC, and they're gonna call it FFIXpc. :wink:
Perhaps because FF8 didn't do quite as well as it could have. I don't think FF7/8 did as well on PC as they did on Playstation. If you think about it ... they never added much extra onto the conversions. With FF7 that was OK because not everyone had 3D cards when it came out, so you didn't expect amazing effects. By now though, PSX graphics look soooo bad compared to PC games that a straight conversion would look horrible compared to a native PC game.
Of course they could do a proper conversion that spruced things up, but Square doesn't seem to like doing that.
Once they're into PS2 territory though, the games'll look good enough that a PC conversion wouldn't be quite so laughable.
And, Qhimm, check your e-mail, now.
I figured it was, like ficedula said, marketing. A number of the reviews I saw in some pc gaming magazines of the ff7 and ff8 pc ports were not so good. Plus (this is pure speculation I could very well be wrong) I don't think the pc ports sold nearly as well as the psx versions. They probably felt it wasn't worth the effort.
They need to fire that "big head".....
I think FF9's story is better than FF7's. And the playablility is a lot longer. FF7's is about 40 hours, FF9 is a good 60 hours.
But any way I dissagree again with your notion of thinking that Sqaure would get flamed for FFIX Pc. The character in my view achally looked better since they featured more polygons to them and a higer texture resalution. Although cause of 16bit colour the battle sceanes in most cases only looked a little better than FFIX. A Pc port of this game could have rocked. But no. Now I am all for ePSXe I feel that it is better than any half arsed port. So there.
Ah well thats just my 2 cents. Sure you have yours.
And I did use the word "about". It's a good 20% longer, anyways. And I was speaking more towards the fun hours of play...not the tedious part of leveling up and beating every little thing, in the game.
Maybe it was about 50 hours not 40, for FF7....
Hey, I haven't played FF7 for about 5 months my memory of those little details isn't that good.
I still say FF9 has longer playability than FF7, though....
But they will be dick faggots if they dont at least put in an Option for the T&L that the GeForce 2 has! If they just put it though direct 3d they dont count on it looking like the Ps2 version. With T&L though they might be able to....
And FF10 is supposeably going to be released in early 2002 for US and a port to PC a few months later. It's being released in Japan in July. I think I heard that FF10 is going to have voice acting. I guess the long delay is due to the voice Translations. But then again....the world releases always takes long for Square.
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So I think the problem was with FF8PC. Either that or Square just thinks strangely. :wink: The fact that they got a good amount of flaming for the problems in the PC ports probably didn't help.
Originally posted by Threesixty:
I think FF9's story is better than FF7's. And the playablility is a lot longer. FF7's is about 40 hours, FF9 is a good 60 hours.
Not to go OT, but 360: Is it possible you meant FF8 where you had FF7 at in the above sentence?
They are pretty close, I guess. But FF9 just seems richer. Maybe it's the four character party thing. It's kinda hard to compare the two, now that I think about it. One is with Castles, and has a Dungeon and Dragons feel, and the other feels kinda Futuristic with a forgotten past.
Let's just say that the Story in FF9 just feels right. Where as FF7's story seems.....unfinished.
As for playablility, there are a few more things to do in FF9. And it's a lot more common to have KO's. The tents are actually usefull.
I like to think that the other world (Terra) that is mentioned in FF9 is really Clouds world.
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I would say that FF7's is a lot more fun to talk about, because of it's inconstancies and ending. But I wouldn't call it a better storyline. FF7 wasn't well written, it just stirs up your imagination. Maybe things were lost in the translation....(culture?).
want some examples?
They never told us why Aeris went to bed at the Golden Saucer (probably one of the biggest clues they left out of the story, it would explain, so much.). Why did the Aeris, Tifa and Cloud share dreams? What happened after the white light. What did Cloud mean by that he understood now, if they go to the promise land they will find Aeris. (Suicide, resurrection?)....
FF9 and 8 were well written, but because it was well written there is no question of what happens, so there is nothing to discuss of FF9. That's why so many people believe that FF7 has a great storyline....It really doesn't, it's all the online discussions of FF7, that make it a good story.
There is one thing that I really don't like about FF9. It's the age of the Characters.....they are just too, young.... I like the Ages in FF7, a lot more. But then again....the guys in FF9 aren't human, so maybe they mature differently. FF8 was too young, too.
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They never told us why Aeris went to bed at the Golden (probably one of the biggest clues they left out of the story, it would explain, so much.). Why did the Aeris, Tifa and Cloud share dreams? What happened after the white light. What did Cloud mean by that he understood now, if they go to the promise land they will find Aeris. (Suicide, resurrection?)....
Did Aeris go to bed saying she was tired? Is there anything else hidden from her statement? Even I don't suspect anything amiss with it. About your dream, but sorry my RAM don't work very well, but which dream(s) that those three shared? It's pretty common for people to dream about someone(s) else.
About Cloud statement, it means ( at least what I've been thinking of ) that they will know the way how to resurrect Aeris when they arrive there. About the ending, I actually have no problems with it. It simply shows that the whole humanity is wiped out by Meteor. Simple as that. Not a good ending, but very unique.
I admit that FF7 seems to be unfinished ( remember Aeris grave, the unusable key items etc. ), but still it's much better than FF9 or FF8 and up to par with FF6, at least for me. As I've said before, there's no game else that kills one of the main characters mid-way to the game. FF9 story is just above average ( but not excellent ) for me. And above all, FF7 have Sephiroth. Kuja sucks hahaha :). And I don't like the music for FF9 either, it's the worst of all FF I've ever played, even FF8 have much better music than it.
Well, I believe your wrong....
Look at the final movie again. Pay close attention to the village scene, it's right before Barret's adobted kid (still can't remember her name...) says something about the Flower Girl and goes to the window. The village is the one that is next door to Midgar, the layout is exactly the same, and the girl is looking out of that tower. (Of course, the problem is that she didn't walk up any stairs to get to the window or the fact that that room of the tower didn't have the room for a table and chair, in it, inside the game the tower had a very small room. Barely enough room for one person...the final movie is even slightly, flawed)
So, it isn't the slums of Midgar that she's in....which is a counterdictory to the story, by the way. That Shinra dude, "Caith Seth" said he sent everyone, including Barret's kid and Aeris' mother, into the slums of Midgar.
Anyway, That neiboring village Barret's kid and the other kids are really at. (I can't remember the name of the village....either) The planet's life-stream limits the destruction of the two forces on the upper levels of Midgar.... Midgar is still in one piece after 500 years of decay, if holy and meteor distroyed mankine....Midgar should have been vaporized. (that is a slightly simplified version of my conclusion, of the ending movie. The unexplainable part is the conclusion of the main characters...and what Cloud meant by his Promise Land statement.)
So....you still think Mankind dies, huh? there is also the symbolism of Birth at the end of that movie and the sound of children playing at the very, very end.
As far as the Dreams....Cloud and Aeris connected when Aeris left the party. Tifa joined Cloud's mind when she was knocked out on the Highwind. and again when they fall in the lifestream. The question I have is the reason of why they connected....that magic was never acknowledged in the story. They just threw it in and never gave an explanation to it. (I don't like plots with holes in them)
Like I said before, I like FF7....but it isn't complete, and thus, to me, It doesn't have a perfect storyline (It's flawed). It's a very good rough draft, though. If the holes were all patched, then I would agree that FF7 is the best story, Ever!, for an RPG. But as it stands now...It's even if not a hair under FF9. Let's see how FF10 is :D. (I really need to finish the other FF games, I've started all of them, but I haven't finished any of them: FF4, 5 and 6)
Oh, and Aeris all of a sudden said she was tired and ran up the stairs.....I haven't played the game in a while. But I know I remember this for a reason. I think the other characters were puzzled by her reaction. It was a clue of something to come. Square never told us why she ran up the stairs. If I remember correctly (I may be wrong, or conviced myself. I hope I'm not just substituting Tifa's bubbles texts for Aeris'....minds can remember things wrongly, sometimes...) she was going to say something and then she said she was sleepy and ran up the stairs. (an incomplete bubble, text statement, I think?...I know Yuffie said something about it after Aeris ran up the stairs.) I believe Aeris was going to tell Cloud something and got scared or maybe embarassed. At first I thought she ran up those stairs, because of the upcoming "so called" date with Cloud, but later I realized that you can date Tifa, Yuffie or hang out with Barrett, under the right circumstances. So it had to be something, else. Something that she was too scared to tell Cloud about....now that I'm recalling, she also covered up Cloud's strange reaction at the Ancient's Temple, with no real explanation, of why she bothered. (the story could have been a lot more richer, if they gave us better or, at least, some explanations for stuff.)
I've been trying to piece together the story of FF7 for quite some time....and I always come across an illogical roadblocks of some kind when I do.
Who's in control, Jenova or Sephiroth.
If the person Cloud is chasing is really Jenova, in the form of Sephiroth, why is it noted, in the story, that Jenova/Sephiroth has the tattoo #1. Does the real Sephiroth have that tattoo? They never told us...it would have been another solid clue. Why is it that they can fly? Even Cloud flys when he realizes he's part of Jenova. Also, apparently they can shapeshift. Why does Cloud look like Tifa's Cloud and also like Zack? Just too many missing puzzles in FF7, that they hint at, but never directly tell you. (Maybe that's why it's remembered as the best story of the FF games? The Mystery, and the torment....Guess I don't like unsolved mysteries. I like the torment, though.)
There's a lot more and I have a lot of amusing theories (that I'm sure would be good reading), but all of my theories have some sort of flaw in them.....maybe I'll replay the game again.....and come up with a better theory. But as far as I can tell, FF7's story is flawed.
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What is Tifa's Cloud supposed to be?
Cloud 'looks like' Zack because Zack put him in those clothes before the two escaped from the Shinra mansion. Remember? Cloud was in the grunt uniform?
As far as Tifa's Cloud . . . if you mean the Cloud from Tifa's memory . . . that is Cloud. Cloud is Cloud. Cloud was born in Nibelhiem. When he was fourteen, he went out to join soldier, but never made it. He was just a grunt. He went back to Nibelhiem with Sephiroth and Zack, but was so ashamed and afraid that Tifa & the other townspeople would look at him as a failure that he never took his helmet off in front of them.
He attacked Sephiroth in the reactor, after Sephiroth stabbed Tifa and Zack. Sephiroth stabbed through Cloud, but Cloud threw him into the life stream, and collapsed.
Zagan, the martial arts guy, was the first one to come into the reactor and see Cloud, Zack, and Tifa lying there half-dead. He grabbed Tifa (the only one he could carry) and ran off. Hojo found Cloud and Zack, and used them in his 'experiment.' He kept each in a tube, testing them for a reaction when near Jenova. Zack showed no reaction, but Cloud would go berserk. (both were injected with Jenova cells when they were inducted into Shinra's army. Zack must've just had a stronger mind than Cloud.)
Five years pass, and they manage to escape. Shinra Soldiers hunt them down & shoot Zack. They leave Cloud, though, thinking he's going to die anyway. (he was barely conscious at the time.) When Cloud re-gained consciousness, he grabbed the closest thing to him (Zack's buster sword) and headed to Midgar. That's where he ran into Tifa, and FF7's story starts soon after.
So....you still think Mankind dies, huh? there is also the symbolism of Birth at the end of that movie and the sound of children playing at the very, very end.
Aiyah, just look at the last movie ( after credits ). It shows that Red 13 and his son or whatever looking at Midgar from the bloody canyon. Midgar look damaged etc, and I certainly heard the sound of children playing too. But try looking at the map of FF7 world. The canyon and Midgar is located far apart, even between them is a sea. My theory is that the lifestream failed to stop Meteor, and it hit Midgar and the planet and caused the earth face changed so radically it kills the whole humanity ( or almost ). And then Midgar lying just beside the canyon. The children sound could come from Red 13 descendants. You know, if Red 13 speaks, why his children can't?
As far as the Dreams....Cloud and Aeris connected when Aeris left the party. Tifa joined Cloud's mind when she was knocked out on the Highwind. and again when they fall in the lifestream. The question I have is the reason of why they connected....that magic was never acknowledged in the story. They just threw it in and never gave an explanation to it. (I don't like plots with holes in them)
In the first dream, I wouldn't say their mind is connected. Remember, Sephiroth is in it too. Sephiroth could easily controls Cloud as he is stronger than Cloud himself. Maybe he projected the image of Aeris going there to make Cloud go too.
About Tifa entering Clouds mind, I wouldn't say that either. Remember it happened after Cloud fall into the lifestream. Just like Sephiroth, he become stronger after going into the Lifestream ( but probably too much Cloud become a vegetable ). Just like Sephiroth, he maybe used the power to go into Tifa mind. And the one at the lifestream. They fused minds because of it. That's all.
Oh, and Aeris all of a sudden said she was tired and ran up the stairs.....I haven't played the game in a while. But I know I remember this for a reason. I think the other characters were puzzled by her reaction. It was a clue of something to come. Square never told us why she ran up the stairs. If I remember correctly (I may be wrong, or conviced myself. I hope I'm not just substituting Tifa's bubbles texts for Aeris'....minds can remember things wrongly, sometimes...) she was going to say something and then she said she was sleepy and ran up the stairs. (an incomplete bubble, text statement, I think?...I know Yuffie said something about it after Aeris ran up the stairs.) I believe Aeris was going to tell Cloud something and got scared or maybe embarassed. At first I thought she ran up those stairs, because of the upcoming "so called" date with Cloud, but later I realized that you can date Tifa, Yuffie or hang out with Barrett, under the right circumstances. So it had to be something, else. Something that she was too scared to tell Cloud about....now that I'm recalling, she also covered up Cloud's strange reaction at the Ancient's Temple, with no real explanation, of why she bothered. (the story could have been a lot more richer, if they gave us better or, at least, some explanations for stuff.)
Not all characters are puzzled by Aeris remarks, especially Yuffie and Tifa itself. After Aeris go to bed, isn't Tifa following shortly after, citing the same reason ( hope my RAM is working well ). Yuffie does say something about it, but just go to sleep like them. But not to an effect that there's something we don't know has happened. At most, maybe the only thing Aeris want to say is about Caith Sith.....
Who's in control, Jenova or Sephiroth.
Sephiroth. That's pretty obvious I'm suprised you're puzzled with it.
If the person Cloud is chasing is really Jenova, in the form of Sephiroth, why is it noted, in the story, that Jenova/Sephiroth has the tattoo #1. Does the real Sephiroth have that tattoo? They never told us...it would have been another solid clue. Why is it that they can fly? Even Cloud flys when he realizes he's part of Jenova. Also, apparently they can shapeshift. Why does Cloud look like Tifa's Cloud and also like Zack? Just too many missing puzzles in FF7, that they hint at, but never directly tell you. (Maybe that's why it's remembered as the best story of the FF games? The Mystery, and the torment....Guess I don't like unsolved mysteries. I like the torment, though.)
Sephiroth sure have the tattoo, but is that important? Unless of course his body is dissolved by the lifestream, which in Cloud case, didn't. Sephiroth can fly because he's powerful from Jenova power. Cloud can too for the same reason. Did Cloud fly again after that? No isn't it? Tifa's Cloud never look like Cloud, he delusional. Tifa is looking at Zack all the way. Only Cloud is thinking that he's Zack, a first-class Soldier while he's actually aren't. That explained Tifa reaction when Cloud tell the story about Sephiroth coming to Nibelheim.
(both were injected with Jenova cells when they were inducted into Shinra's army. Zack must've just had a stronger mind than Cloud.)
Cloud wasent exposed to Jenove nor Mako when he joined the Shinra army. If he did he would have glowihg eyes. So there for all of the Shinra soldiers would have glowing eyes. So people wouldent be so shocked about it.
But try looking at the map of FF7 world. The canyon and Midgar is located far apart, even between them is a sea. My theory is that the lifestream failed to stop Meteor, and it hit Midgar and the planet and caused the earth face changed so radically it kills the whole humanity ( or almost ). And then Midgar lying just beside the canyon. The children sound could come from Red 13 descendants. You know, if Red 13 speaks, why his children can't?
The canyon and midgar are far apart yes.
But there is ledges that he could have been looking from. Remember there is a wide canyon from Kalm-Chocobo Farm? he could be leeding them though a mountain path though there to over look midgar. There is a way to figer that out but I cant do it since suddenly FFVII isnt working with the 1240 dets any more. Oh well.
And has any one consider another thing?
Aeris foster mother recoqsines the glow in Clouds eyes. Perhaps her husband could have been part of Soldier? Perhaps with cloud and Zack?
Heh people doing the story for the FFVII remake(I aint been accepted yet :() should keep an eye on this!
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(both were injected with Jenova cells when they were inducted into Shinra's army. Zack must've just had a stronger mind than Cloud.)Cloud wasent exposed to Jenove nor Mako when he joined the Shinra army. If he did he would have glowihg eyes. So there for all of the Shinra soldiers would have glowing eyes. So people wouldent be so shocked about it.
But at the start of the game dont loads of people recognise Cloud of being part of SOLDIER becuase of the glow in his eyes? Even when he met the first President of ShinRa he noticed the glow in his eyes too, at the start when you go to blow a Mako Reactor.
About Sephiroth, he had the Tattoo #1 and stuff, but the one that you're chasing wasnt the real him was it? He'd been sleeping in the Promised Land for ages. I think he was just controlling the other Sephiroth (or was Jenova controlling it?) to lead Cloud and the Black Materia to him.
I don't think the world ended after Meteor hit, it would have ended, but Aeris summoned Holy so it weakened Meteor, and it just ended up destroying Midgar.
As far as Tifa's Cloud . . . if you mean the Cloud from Tifa's memory . . . that is Cloud. Cloud is Cloud. Cloud was born in Nibelhiem. When he was fourteen, he went out to join soldier, but never made it. He was just a grunt. He went back to Nibelhiem with Sephiroth and Zack, but was so ashamed and afraid that Tifa & the other townspeople would look at him as a failure that he never took his helmet off in front of them.
I think you're right there TiadaghtonDude. But Aeris dated Zack didnt she? In Midgar she said she went out with someone who was a first class SOLDIER just like Cloud, but he had to leave. Also she ran out of the conversation when you meet Zack's parents in Gongaga Village. But the thing I'm confused about is if you go to Gongaga and speak to Zack's parents with Tifa, why does she run out? Maybe it actually tells you in the game, I havent played it for years.
I think FF7's story was great, but the game itself was unfinished and there were many unexplained parts to it.
Something else, about FF9. Like the thing about Cloud flying. At the end of FF9 (SPOILERS) Zidane can fly and jump around and run up walls and stuff to get to Kuja. After all, he was created to be stronger than Kuja. But why didnt he use his powers to fight Necron and stuff?
And Aeris and Tifa both do run out. Aeris did date Zack. Remember in the play ground Cloud says "Who was he I probley knew him"
But Aeris quickly changes the subject. So Aeris probley had some idea of clouds problems all along.
About the Tifa's Cloud thing....I'm going really deep into the story....I thought that some of you all would remember some past posting I've made on the subject, but maybe I just posted that stuff on the Eidos page.
Sephiroth had said something about Jenova able to read minds and that the Cloud's personally had come from Tifa's mind. (think he said something about Cloud being a combo of Jenova cells, Mako Energy, and Tifa's memories. what Sephiroth didn't know was that Cloud was really in Nib and the memories from Tifa were kinda correct...but not totally.) When Tifa finds Cloud there is a flash, can't remember if it's red or white....I think it was red. Cloud didn't know who Tifa was, everytime he would answer her, there was a flash of light. That light was Jenova telling the blank mind of Cloud what to say.......and the reason, was because Jenova was reading Tifa's memories.
Hmmm, guess I answered myself (Actually I just remembered one of my conclusions)....guess Cloud acts like Zack, because Tifa wants to remember that it was Cloud that went to Nibelhem. It was just a coincidence that Cloud was there, but in a mask and Shinra uniform. (I haven't thought about this for a long time....I've forgot about some of my old theories :wink: ) And since they are shapeshifters I guess Zacks's hairstyle kinda stuck....but with Cloud's hair color. (I have proof of this, remember #1 Sephiroth turns into Tifa).
As far as who's in control....Sephiroth was somewhat normal, until he found Jenova....(I can't go into it...not until after 6pm Central time)
As for the Dream....your forgetting that Tifa was in Cloud's mind, when she was knocked out on the Highwind (I need to replay the game for solid proof...cause I can't remember what happens in that sequence....I think Cloud walks away, and Tifa is talking to ghosts....I can't remember...but I think something important was said there....Oh, I think that's when we see Tifa's first meeting with Cloud. And the reasons why she was staying with him... There minds had to be connected, because of those red flashes of light.)
In the dream with Aeris, they were talking directly to each other.... Your reaction just proves my point. The story is written just to leave questions....It's considered good, because of what is left behind, not because of what's in the storyline.
As far as Aeris running to bed....in that Casta Rio? whatever....in that place she went to bed early, too. Because she was worried about, who she really was....She always gets tired, when she is worring about something. I'm sure it means something when she does the same thing in the Golden Saucer.
As far as the continent changing...you have to remember that the Lifestream was being made by killing the life around effected areas. The Crater was one of these areas, and Midgar was another, but Midgar was messed up because of man using up the energy...the Crater was void of life because the Planet was trying to heal itself. After the game, it shows the area around Midgar to be abundunt of life. Meaning that the Planet is completely healed.. As for the canyon thing. Maybe it isn't the Cosmo Canyon, but that valley that Cloud walks through to get to that Chocobo ranch. Lots can happen in 500 years...or maybe it was that mountain range that's around Midgar. Or maybe it's just another movie glitch.
The #1 tattoo. I need to know if Sephiroth was branded by the #1 at birth, to satisfy another conclusion I came up with....I'd go into it, but I don't have time right now. They put a lot of emphasis into that there are only 12 clones, minus Red, Cloud and Zack.....but these 12 clones never hold any real importance in the game. And why was there a Black clone flying away from key spots...Anchient's temple is coming to mind, right now. My conclusion all hangs on that #1 tatto on Sephiroth. If he had it at birth, my conclusion is broken......
(The game needed proofreading...for these and a lot of other small details. Especially since you need to study these small details to understand the story. Square didn't check these small details well enough. So your left with an unconsistant storyline. And that is what FF7 really is, an Unconsistant Story)
FF8's story was weak, that's why people don't like it. That and the fact that lot's of people don't understand the mentality of a Loner.....I understand FF8, too well and it's a touching story, if you know what a "Loner" goes through. (All Loners think more than they speak...and we/they think way to much about stupid things.)
Sephiroth had said something about Jenova able to read minds and that the Cloud's personally had come from Tifa's mind. (think he said something about Cloud being a combo of Jenova cells, Mako Energy, and Tifa's memories. what Sephiroth didn't know was that Cloud was really in Nib and the memories from Tifa were kinda correct...but not totally.) When Tifa finds Cloud there is a flash, can't remember if it's red or white....I think it was red. Cloud didn't know who Tifa was, everytime he would answer her, there was a flash of light. That light was Jenova telling the blank mind of Cloud what to say.......and the reason, was because Jenova was reading Tifa's memories.
Jenova reading Tifa memories? I think it's wrong. Remember that when Cloud first meet Tifa, Tifa ask Cloud "how long that we don't meet" or something to that effect. Then a flash, after that Cloud answer "5 years". But Tifa know that it's wrong, because 7 years is the correct answer. If Jenova doing its job right about that memory reading thing, that screw-up won't happen.
Hmmm, guess I answered myself (Actually I just remembered one of my conclusions)....guess Cloud acts like Zack, because Tifa wants to remember that it was Cloud that went to Nibelhem. It was just a coincidence that Cloud was there, but in a mask and Shinra uniform. (I haven't thought about this for a long time....I've forgot about some of my old theories ) And since they are shapeshifters I guess Zacks's hairstyle kinda stuck....but with Cloud's hair color. (I have proof of this, remember #1 Sephiroth turns into Tifa).
Cloud acts like Zack because not that Tifa want to remember that Cloud, and not Zack who has accompanied Sephiroth to Nibel, but just to imitate Zack because he himself failed to attain his ambition to become a Soldier himself. From his friendship with Zack, Cloud is changing himself to become just like Zack, in appearance, sword playing tech and etc. So much the same even Aeris, notices it.
As far as who's in control....Sephiroth was somewhat normal, until he found Jenova....(
Jenova is always with him, except in the Nibel flashback. He seems normal to me.
As for the Dream....your forgetting that Tifa was in Cloud's mind, when she was knocked out on the Highwind (I need to replay the game for solid proof...cause I can't remember what happens in that sequence....I think Cloud walks away, and Tifa is talking to ghosts....I can't remember...but I think something important was said there....Oh, I think that's when we see Tifa's first meeting with Cloud. And the reasons why she was staying with him... There minds had to be connected, because of those red flashes of light.)
I'll rather say that it's vice versa; Cloud mind is entering Tifa mind, because the lifestream has began doing to Cloud what it have done to Sephiroth. In the lifestream ( where Tifa is talking to some Clouds ), that's where you can say their mind connected, primarily because of the lifestream itself.
In the dream with Aeris, they were talking directly to each other.... Your reaction just proves my point. The story is written just to leave questions....It's considered good, because of what is left behind, not because of what's in the storyline.
If they ( Cloud and Aeris ) were talking directly to each other, it doesn't mean that Sephiroth don't play anything on that dream. So do you want to say that Cloud and Sephiroth mind aren't connected? Remember, Cloud have Jenova cells too.
As far as the continent changing...you have to remember that the Lifestream was being made by killing the life around effected areas. The Crater was one of these areas, and Midgar was another, but Midgar was messed up because of man using up the energy...the Crater was void of life because the Planet was trying to heal itself. After the game, it shows the area around Midgar to be abundunt of life. Meaning that the Planet is completely healed.. As for the canyon thing. Maybe it isn't the Cosmo Canyon, but that valley that Cloud walks through to get to that Chocobo ranch. Lots can happen in 500 years...or maybe it was that mountain range that's around Midgar. Or maybe it's just another movie glitch.
If your argument is true, then it back up my theory of human race destruction then :). Remember that Red 13 uncle shows that the lifestream is the essence of all life, let it be humans or animals or plants. Then one of the ending movies shows that a lot of lifestreams coming out from ALL DIRECTIONS to try and prevent Meteor - with Cloud and party watching from Highwind. Whatever is succeeded or not, we don't know. But I'll say it failed, primarily because Red 13 uncle have pointed up to Cloud party that the amount of lifestreams on the planet has been greatly reduced because of artificial Materia procurement. So after Meteor impact, the Planet has to use the lifestreams to repair the damage done. The return of human lifestreams ( they die because the Meteor, and probably also of it after effect ), help the Planet to heal itself, and thus the result 500 years later. About continent changing, it's either a movie glitch or it really happened. I can't see Red 13 moving house to Kalm or the ridge near the place of Zack death because his parents graves ( and possibly his uncle too ) are on the canyon.
The #1 tattoo. I need to know if Sephiroth was branded by the #1 at birth, to satisfy another conclusion I came up with....I'd go into it, but I don't have time right now. They put a lot of emphasis into that there are only 12 clones, minus Red, Cloud and Zack.....but these 12 clones never hold any real importance in the game. And why was there a Black clone flying away from key spots...Anchient's temple is coming to mind, right now. My conclusion all hangs on that #1 tatto on Sephiroth. If he had it at birth, my conclusion is broken......
Actually I don't pay attention on whatever Sephiroth have a tattoo or not, because does it important? But I think he have it. A black clone from key spots? Maybe it Sephiroth himself, or it have controlled by Sephiroth to get there first from the information he gleaned from Could party.
FF8's story was weak, that's why people don't like it. That and the fact that lot's of people don't understand the mentality of a Loner.....I understand FF8, too well and it's a touching story, if you know what a "Loner" goes through. (All Loners think more than they speak...and we/they think way to much about stupid things.)
FF8 story is average, but the music is excellent. And also the characters and the CGI.
I'll buy your dream connection thing...makes perfect sense...but Square didn't tell us this in their story. It came out of your imagination. But I like it. But still....Aeris still had to know that she was actually talking to Cloud, that Cloud would remember when he woke up....so there is still a little hole. I would then have to believe that Aeris, was the one that made the connection to Cloud...not Sephiroth. Actually, there seems to be two worlds in FF7 land. A reality, and a dream world. All Square had to do was leave a clue that this existed, but they don't. They just do it without explanation. They do a lot of things in this story, without any explanation. I just get the sense that it's unfinished, that they forgot or they intentually left things out.
Well, OK then, moving on.
So when Tifa meets Cloud, what do you think those flashes of light were....he also gets a flash in the beginning of the game. And then later a flash back of Tifa leaning over her dead father. (There are a lot of others, but what's a little wierd is that the last Jenova (Death?), fought Cloud with the same red flash).
Ponder this for a second....what if Jenova got some of her/Cloud's responses from Zack's memories. And then combined them with Tifa's memories of Cloud. Perhapse a clone is really a clone in this story. A copy of a person, without any memories of it's own....and the Jenova cells are able to take memories of other people, and make them her own. The video tapes in Icicle Town, said that Jenova would show them dead friends and stuff like that....maybe this ability is a part of that.
OK...now.....
Sephiroth is totally insane, after the Nib reactor incident. Why would he cut off Jenova's head? I still can't figure that one out. He was very Cold person, before that incident, according to Tifa's flashback.
I don't think the real Sephiroth is a so called, "clone" (and a missing #1 tattoo would prove this). The real Sephiroth was more, of a Hybrid. Half human and half Jenova DNA. Hojo injected his own unborn son with this DNA...apparently from conception, at least it seems that way from Vincent's flashback. The thing that Cloud was following was later revealed to be a clone....or maybe even the body of Jenova? (I think, that the Sephiroth that Cloud was originaly chasing, called Sephiroth it's master, and then you end up fighting Jenova death...I have to verify this though, been a long time, so don't hold me to it, just try to remember it.) Remember the blood trail at Shinra HQ? Remember how it vanished? and the story of Sephiroth killing the President taking the blood trail's place? Square went in a defined direction and then they confused it with the clones and the reunion.....It's like, they kept changing their theories of Jenova. It basicly just falls apart and makes no sense; at least it doesn't to me. (Anyway that is what I'm really hung up on, in FF7)
Lastly....
I still disagree with the destruction on mankind. Your forgetting about holy....
I hope you have the PC version....do me a favor and go to the movie directory on disk3...disk4 for the platinum version...and watch the End2.avi.
Meteor is on top of Midgar distroying the upper plate, Holy comes out of the Crater (Sephiroth was holding Holy back) Holy later goes in between Meteor and Midgar. Meteor is able to push itself through Holy. And Midgar start getting torn apart, because of the two forces battling, above it. But holy is still having an opposite effect over Meteor (that's what Red meant...he basicaly says forget what happens to Midgar...worry about the Planet.). Midgar is still going to be distroyed, but the planet is now the thing at stake. Forget Midgar....It's the planet we have to save. Then the Lifestream pours out of the ground. the music become relaxing when this happens. All the children open there windows to watch the lifestream. Then something magical happens when the lifesteam focuses over Midgar. The scene goes to white, then you see green bubbles slowly floating around, and the next image you see is Aeris.....and she's opening her eyes...and she's smiling. (I'm getting teary)
As if to say...everything is going to be alright. And the opening of the eyes is symbolism for "Rebirth". If mankind had died...her eyes would have been open and then she would have closed them, "Death".
Ok...where did the huge supply of lifestream come from? Well...this is going to be specualtion. Something that the Square should have explained to us, but didn't. So, here it comes from a fan, instead.
Planet was storing that energy up for sometime. Forgot how old the Ancients are (10,000 years?), but that's how long Planet has been storing the Lifestream. It was absorbing all that energy from the wound of the Crater, that Jenova created all those years ago. I guessing that the planet knew what was coming, and decided to store the Energy instead of allowing it to cure it's wound. Perhapse in doing this, Planet kept Jenova from waking up. The planet even told the Ancients to leave the area, when it started doing this, but they refused. (that's kinda in the video tapes in Icicle Village. Just, too many unanswered questions. At least with FF8 and FF9 you had answers.)
Don't get me wrong, I love FF7's overall story and it's one of the few games that can make me cry (if I'm in the right mood...heh...FF9 was the other one.)....I just don't like the holes in the Main Character's stories. I just feel that they could have done a better job in that department. That is why I put FF7 a hair under FF9...or maybe equal to it. If they had put more explanations of why stuff was happening, in the game. I would have put it miles ahead of anything I've ever watched on television, read, or played.
(So for me...FF7 does not blow FF9's story away...that's why I really, wrote all this. But, it had potential to do so.)
For a series that doesn't have sequels....they sure left room for one in FF7.
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And TiadaghtonDude...I believe I posted all that on the Eidos board at one time (almost word per word) then I went into my Tifa's brain scan theory.
The connections I really, can't grasp are: Sephiroth, Soldier, the Sephiroth Clones, and the Jenova Reunion.
Hojo creates Sephiroth from birth...but then makes Soldier by giving 12 year old kids, Mako Energy radiation, and then makes clones of Sephiroth after he dies (which look like charco men), with Mako energy and Jenova cells. Then he tells Cloud he made these so called "clones" for the Reunion. To see if they would follow the body of Jenova to Shinra HQ. That way he would know if Sephiroth would also follow the Jenova's body, too. (yeah that makes a lot of sense, wouldn't Sephiroth go to the Nibilium reactor, if that was true?)..but the Body itself left Shinra HQ, to go to Sephiroth. And Sephiroth used the clones for his own use (whatever that means). I guess it means that Sephiroth was always in that crystal, and the things that Cloud was chasing were the clones....but why the refrence to #1 tattoo Sephiroth?. It just starts to fall apart....We end up making excuses for Square's writers from here on out, when they should have told us themselves.
It's too complex!!!!!!!!!! It's like 20 different people were writing this thing, each refusing to give up their own idea of Sephiroth and Jenova.
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But I like it. But still....Aeris still had to know that she was actually talking to Cloud, that Cloud would remember when he woke up....so there is still a little hole. I would then have to believe that Aeris, was the one that made the connection to Cloud...not Sephiroth.
Did Aeris actually talking to Cloud? I don't know because the next time they meet, Sephiroth send her to death. But I'll still say that Sephiroth is the one that make the contact, as both of them have the cells and Sephiroth want Cloud to be at the Crater for reunion.
So when Tifa meets Cloud, what do you think those flashes of light were....he also gets a flash in the beginning of the game. And then later a flash back of Tifa leaning over her dead father. (There are a lot of others, but what's a little wierd is that the last Jenova (Death?), fought Cloud with the same red flash).Ponder this for a second....what if Jenova got some of her/Cloud's responses from Zack's memories. And then combined them with Tifa's memories of Cloud. Perhapse a clone is really a clone in this story. A copy of a person, without any memories of it's own....and the Jenova cells are able to take memories of other people, and make them her own. The video tapes in Icicle Town, said that Jenova would show them dead friends and stuff like that....maybe this ability is a part of that.
I generally think it just a special effect, to spice things up. If you theory is true, that the flash is Jenova reading minds, why it happened when Tifa ask that particular question? And wrong answer with that too. But actually I think I agree with you with the flash thingy, only that the screw-up with Cloud wrong answer to Tifa.
Sephiroth is cutting Jenova head primarily because of what he have seen at the reactor and the underground library. Thinking he is an Ancient ( the last ), he goes to get his mother, then get off to continue what the Ancients have always wanted to do.
I hope you have the PC version....do me a favor and go to the movie directory on disk3...disk4 for the platinum version...and watch the End2.avi.
I don't have the PC version, only PSX. And I don't feel like to play it again just to see it again. Onimusha Warlord is just f**kin' great :)
About your theory, Aeris is smiling because after her death at Disc 1, she still don't dissolve into the lifestream. She's doing that because after Sephiroth defeat, now she can be dissolved. I always have the assumption that the whole scene IS the HOLY being casted, which I remembered now, Red 13 uncle have said that even Holy stand no chance to stop Meteor. And another thing, the planet does want the humanity to be destroyed, by the evidence of the Weapons existence ( Emerald Weapons and the gang ).
Why the Northern Crater look like that way? Deserted and all stuff? It's because not that the planet wanted to save it energy for another forseerable danger. It's much more because that the Ancients have defeated the Weapons and seal them at the Crater ( Emerald and Ruby are tough customers ). The planet created the Weapons so they can create havoc and destruction, killing a lot of people ( or living things ), so their lifestreams could be used by the planet to repair the damage inflicted by Jenova arrival on the planet. But the Ancients foiled the planet plans, thus the crater looks ugly for a long time, even with high amount of lifestreams. This is not a theory whatsoever, the game tell you that. I don't agree with the fact that the planet storing it's energy for events like Meteor. The planet already decided to repair the damage done by Jenova centuries ago, only to be foiled by the Ancients.
Whoa your deep man.
If the planet created the Weapons to destroy people to get more power, why is it still giving birth after death? And if it did want to get rid of humans then the theory of the human race dying at the end will probably be true, because I think it was Bugenhagen who said that Holy will destroy everything the Planet doesnt want. Am I right?
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Back to the discusion:
On those Gast video tapes. Aeris' Mom said that planet created Weapon to destroy Jenova. But the planet never had to use the Weapons because the Ancients were able to seal Jenova in a sanctrum (whatever that is). Then the Ancients tried to help the Planet cure her wounds...she never really says how they did this....speculation can say self sacrafice or maybe creating life by farming and hard work (It seems the Anchient have an certain ability to create flowers from nothing: Aeris' home and the church are two examples of that)....I don't really know. She also said that the Planet asked them to leave that place, but the Ancients refused....then she start crying and the tape ends....
That's where I got the idea that Planet was just taking life and storing it for the final/future battle with Jenova. The Planet was preparing for this. And wanted the Ancients to move to another region, because it knew that the Ancients would never be able to cure it's wound.
Once the Weapons are released they just attack things that were harming the planet. Cloud's was a target because of the Jenova inside of him. Shinra Inc was targeted because of what they were doing to the lifestream. Sephiroth was protected under a Shield. They never attack mankind in general. It's almost like they were clearing the field so Holy would only need to concentrate on Meteor and Sephiroth. But then Cloud took care of Sephiroth, so the only thing left was Meteor.
Back to Aeris and Cloud's dream: Aeris has a direct conversation with Cloud. She basicly tells him that she is going to call on Holy and that she will take care of Sephiroth. I think she also says that someday we will look back at these moments, and laugh (a resurrection hint?)....so this still leads me to believe that Aeris used some sort of telepathy to contact Cloud. This just leads to my point that FF7 has very little consistantcy in it, which is what I would call a weak foundation. (Real nice story on the surface, but when you dig into it, you find that the reasons of "why?" get torn apart or left completly out....It's not all weak though, there are a few strong things that push the story over the edge, but it has a lot of weak spots that I just don't like. They could have done so much more with this story.)
The thing about Holy. They were afraid that Holy would attack mankind, because of what Shinra did to the lifestream. But given the fact that Holy forced itself between Midgar and Meteor, I believe that it didn't have the intention of harming mankind, but more of an incline to protect mankind from themselves.
What happens to Aeris is never going to be told, so many clues point to a resurrection. But the idea of pure sacrafice, is too hard to let go. Sometime Happy ending don't make a good story, but everyone wants a happy ending to a fantasy. So....we are left with this.
Why does everyone believe's in a resurrection? That's because of all the clues of there being one. The biggest clue was of what Red13's Grandpa said. He said there were sometimes exception to the cycle of life, but for the most part everything returns to the lifestream (he said something like that, I'm sure you all know the part I'm refering to). I'm not upset about the way FF7 ends...I'm glad that they did that with the story. Although, they really should have added an alternative ending to the game, one with a definite ending, that leaves no questions. It's really just the thing of the clones that I can't get a handle on. The direct text explains this in one way and the sub-text goes in a completely different direction.
I guess it's Okay that the story is unconsistant. I wouldn't be here and probably no one else would be either if it was. However, since the FF7 story has a somewhat weak foundation to support it, I can't help to feel that it could have been so much better than it is now.
So to me, it doesn't blow FF9's story away. Although, I feel that it could have. If they had wrote a little more about the reasoning of why things happen in the story and kept it consistant throughout the story, I would have been more than deeply, satisfied...I would be ecstatic.
Hey! the movie is only days away....I hope it lives up to Final Fantasy's status that we all expect. They sure payed dearly for it...137 million dollars. I find it strange that I haven't seen any promos for the movie on regular television, yet. I hope they don't get burned...because the ones that are going to pay are "us" Fans.
Oh one last thing...anyone who bought "Black and White", let it be known that they just released a beta patch for it...hopefully you can now finish the campain.
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On those Gast video tapes. Aeris' Mom said that planet created Weapon to destroy Jenova. But the planet never had to use the Weapons because the Ancients were able to seal Jenova in a sanctrum (whatever that is). Then the Ancients tried to help the Planet cure her wounds...she never really says how they did this....speculation can say self sacrafice or maybe creating life by farming and hard work (It seems the Anchient have an certain ability to create flowers from nothing: Aeris' home and the church are two examples of that)....I don't really know. She also said that the Planet asked them to leave that place, but the Ancients refused....then she start crying and the tape ends....
Yes, the Weapon mission is also to defeat Jenova. But contrary to what you have said, the Weapons were actually unleashed to the world to deal with Jenova and to get lifestreams to cure the impact of Jenova arrival. I never think that the planet wanted to store energy for another encounter with Jenova, the planet want to cure itself immediately, but the Ancients gets in the way. The Ancients do deal with the Jenova, but obviously the Weapons want to kill all living things ( Ancients included ) so Ancients don't have any choice but to seal the Weapons too.
Once the Weapons are released they just attack things that were harming the planet. Cloud's was a target because of the Jenova inside of him. Shinra Inc was targeted because of what they were doing to the lifestream. Sephiroth was protected under a Shield. They never attack mankind in general. It's almost like they were clearing the field so Holy would only need to concentrate on Meteor and Sephiroth. But then Cloud took care of Sephiroth, so the only thing left was Meteor.
I think this is wrong too. Cloud do have Jenova cells, but they are removed after the Reunion. So the Ultima Weapon attack to Mideel town is purely intentional, to create havoc and destruction, to finish the things that they should have done a long ago. Why then the Weapon is attacking Junon? Hojo, who have Jenova cells too, wasn't there. Maybe you want to say that Junon have a Mako reactor, but what are the reason of Weapon attack on Mideel? There's no Hojo and no Mako reactor there. Cloud's Jenova cells are removed from him after the Reunion, so the only best reason for it is that all the Weapons want is destruction.
Back to Aeris and Cloud's dream: Aeris has a direct conversation with Cloud. She basicly tells him that she is going to call on Holy and that she will take care of Sephiroth. I think she also says that someday we will look back at these moments, and laugh (a resurrection hint?)....so this still leads me to believe that Aeris used some sort of telepathy to contact Cloud. This just leads to my point that FF7 has very little consistantcy in it, which is what I would call a weak foundation. (Real nice story on the surface, but when you dig into it, you find that the reasons of "why?" get torn apart or left completly out....It's not all weak though, there are a few strong things that push the story over the edge, but it has a lot of weak spots that I just don't like. They could have done so much more with this story.)
I do really want to believe this one, but the existence of Sephiroth in it really baffles me. So if really Aeris want to communicate with Cloud via telepathy, then after Aeris dialogue, then should I say that Sephiroth use Aeris telepathy wavelength to tell Cloud that he want to kill Aeris? It all happened in one dream. For me, it's all a Sephiroth set-up, to give Cloud clues where they could find Aeris. Sephiroth, being the stronger being, had figured out that he can kill Aeris EVEN if Cloud is there. He even knows that he could use Cloud to kill Aeris too, so whatever Cloud is there or not, it doesn't matter to Sephiroth. If Aeris do want the others to find her at the Forgotten city, she logically will tell the others ( Tifa, Barret etc. ) that she want to go there. But she don't do it. So why on earth Aeris want to give Cloud her location when she didn't tell the other members of the party? Your shapeshifters theory ( I agree with that )come to mind; if Sephiroth could become like Tifa, why not Aeris? Another reason is that Forgotten city is located near the Northern crater. Sephiroth wants Cloud to participate in the Reunion, so telling Cloud to go on a would-be-futile mission to save Aeris from Sephiroth will serve his purpose futhrer. Sephiroth is one good villain, really good at manipulating Cloud's emotions, that's why he's one of the best vilains ever in FF series.
The thing about Holy. They were afraid that Holy would attack mankind, because of what Shinra did to the lifestream. But given the fact that Holy forced itself between Midgar and Meteor, I believe that it didn't have the intention of harming mankind, but more of an incline to protect mankind from themselves.What happens to Aeris is never going to be told, so many clues point to a resurrection. But the idea of pure sacrafice, is too hard to let go. Sometime Happy ending don't make a good story, but everyone wants a happy ending to a fantasy. So....we are left with this.
For me, Holy wedged itself between Midgar and Meteor because the planet knows that itself is doomed if it don't do it ( example is Northern Crater ). Red 13 uncle had already indicated that Holy will fail to stop Meteor ( one of the reasons why I think the ending will be not so sweet ) because of Shinra action of mining Materia. Holy certainly don't wipe out humanity, that's for certain, but Meteor does. Maybe all the Holy have done is to reduce Meteor damage. But Meteor give the planet what tha planet wanted, lotsa lifestreams, thus with it the planet cure itself, and the result we can see 500 years later. The planet in its gradual process of healing is itself a good indication, the plants have already grown.
If the planet created the Weapons to destroy people to get more power, why is it still giving birth after death? And if it did want to get rid of humans then the theory of the human race dying at the end will probably be true, because I think it was Bugenhagen who said that Holy will destroy everything the Planet doesnt want. Am I right?
The Weapons purpose is to get enough lifestreams, that's all. After the planet is done with it curing process, then there's will be life all over again. It's not an overnight process, and it will take place slowly and gradually.
I guess it's Okay that the story is unconsistant. I wouldn't be here and probably no one else would be either if it was. However, since the FF7 story has a somewhat weak foundation to support it, I can't help to feel that it could have been so much better than it is now.So to me, it doesn't blow FF9's story away. Although, I feel that it could have. If they had wrote a little more about the reasoning of why things happen in the story and kept it consistant throughout the story, I would have been more than deeply, satisfied...I would be ecstatic.
For me FF7 is still one of the best, FF9 couldn't even hold a candle to FF7. I'm not saying that FF7 is perfect either, but it know how to manipulate the players emotions, and you feel like you really in it. That don't happen it FF9. I've played FF9 only once, and I think I won't touch it again except a PC version is out ( which I think will not happen ). So while I'm waiting for FFX, I'll rather play Onimusha Warlord ( kick-ass ) and F1 2001 ( kick-ass ) and Legend Of Mana ( kick-ass for a old game ) and Serious Sam ( MEGA KICK-ASS: GAME OF THE YEAR ).
I don't recall in the game where it said that Weapon's purpose was to kill all forms of life just to create more lifestream for the planet. I remember it being decided on forums that that's what Weapon's purpose was. But, I don't remember the game ever saying that.
However, I do specificaly, remember what Ifana said about Weapon and of Jenova and I remember it being stated, somewhere in FF7 that Planet would not begin healing until Jenova is completely distroyed.
(I think those two statements are from the Gast's videos, but I'm not certain. The second statement may be somewhere else. Do you remember where in the game your version of Weapons' purpose is discussed? That thing about Weapon being used for creating more lifestream. I'm not going to play FF7 anytime soon. I'm emulating, 'Crono Cross' right now and it's turning out into a very long game...but when I do replay FF7, I'll look for your text about Weapon and the Lifestream.)
Those two little things are where I came up with my little version of "why?". It's just a story, accept it as such. You'll never be able to prove it wrong or right. I'll always have the argument that none of the characters knew what was really going on....that probably why the story really, has so many holes. Or, it's the best excuse for FF7 having more questions than answers. (Kinda like real life). Final Fantasy 7, should have been named Final Mystery.
Anyway, I'm making everything up. It's all specualtion for an answer that was never concluded in the story. I just like to study possible event that could have made the game more intresting, more realistic, and are also, somewhat, supported by FF7's storytelling. Try doing that with FF8....it ain't easy. And from what I can see with FF9, it's not needed. Although, I could make up a short theory that may support the idea that FF7's world is really Terra and add a little story on how.....well...I really don't want to discuss theories about FF9, it's just too new for me to spoil it for anyone. The only thing I'll say about FF9 is that it's well worth the trouble of emulating it, but if you looking for a game to discuss for years to come...FF9 won't be it. RPG Games with complete ending will never recieve that honor.
About your depressing ending....being that you don't have the PC version and can't see the final movie and really study it's meaning. Well, lets just say that the ending doesn't have the feel of depression, to me. You just need to view it again, is all. What I get the feeling of, during the last parts, are that of Hope...not that of Annihilation.
On a side note, was Red13 really that different from mankind? (Remember) He hated his father, until he learned the truth of his father. He sure, sounds human to me.
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And how was FFIX FFVII based? Yo umean how the characters look? We look again. They look cartoonish in FFIX but they look twice as good as FFVIIs ones.
And many magazines said the graphics to FFVIII were good. The back grounds and the 640/480 res limit they complained about but the FMV and Battles they sad looked good. Get your facts right....
Whoa! That winking face looks EEEEEEEEEVIL!
oh and Shut up Joey...
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I remember all the hype about FF7. I also remember my view of console type games at the time. I always considered myself a computer player....Always thought that consoles were for kids...all action, no strategy. I always thought that Consoles were the home for games like Basketball, Football, Punch-out, Mortal Combat, etc... So I would see "FF7 PC" on the shelf and "Mortal Combat PC", sitting next to it, both Console ports; and just pass them on by. You see, I thought FF7 was a fighting game, like Mortal Comabat, I had no idea. Not even a clue what it really was.
I picked up Eidos', "Thief", instead. After a couple of weeks of playing Thief, I figured I would look at the Demo Disk that came with the game. I still have the Demo CD. Comes with a few games and a few movies. Two of the games on that 'Vol 1 Eidos Demo Disk' (I wonder if it's worth anything since it Vol 1?) are Final Fantasy Battle and Field demos. After playing about 30 seconds of the Battle demo, I thought to myself, this isn't too bad for a fighting game, but seems too boring to buy it just for this. Then I tried the Field game. It's a cutout from FF7 where you learn Barrets past. I was stunned. I bought FF7 that same day, and never regreted it (it was only 30 dollars anyway...I passed it up for a long time!). I was even more stunned when I found out that I just bought a game with four whole Cd's in it! When I hit that thing in Disk 1.....I had to pause the game...'cause I was too sad/shocked, to fight Jenova...... :). That is why FF7 is considered and remembered as the best RPG. FF7 broke the mold for Console sterotype games, for me. And I'm sure I'm not alone in this thinking. Come to think of it....I still haven't played a PC game that grabs you like FF does, when it comes to an emotional story. (even though the actual conversion of the game is fair, at best.)
I now consider Square RPG games as the best games, out there. FF7 started my intrest in Square games. Hmmm....also Japan's style of animation, come to think of it. Then again maybe the Cartoon network had a big play on the animation part....
I just completed Crono Cross (and triggered the CronoTrigger).....and it's damn good game, too. I like the story (it get deep towards the end, if you don't mess up in the end....I had to search the web for the order....), and in a wierd way, it has some replay value. The only thing I don't like is that the game feels 'empty' between the main plot. I don't know how else to explain it. Guess it has too many playable characters and it takes something away, from the story. That's why I like Final Fantasy....It doesn't feel as empty as other games. It seems to come to life. It's more like a interactive book or something.
BTW:
...after seeing CC's battle engine. I'm going to guess that FFX's battle engine is going to be very simular. It kinda more statigic (but gets repetitious and boring, during non-boss battles). I remember rumors from FF10, that the battles were going have more strategy in them. CC also has no leveling (well...it does, but they don't show you a real level# per say), I think FF10 is said to have no leveling, either. So I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that CC's Battle engine is going to be in FF10.... (I wonder if I'm even close.)
Anyway...
MMiller8: I hope I'm wrong, but it sounds like KojiroTakenashi's referring to all those "FF7 was unfinished" rumors (which are untrue, btw). They usually go hand in hand with the equally untrue "Aeris Revival" rumors.
*Just kidding. :P
*Anybody* can post a controversial claim on a message board. Unless you're willing to back it up, your claim is just the same as every other unsubstantiated rumour.
For example; you say you can find Zack alive and well. Umm? That's very easily checked by searching all the text in the game (it can be done for both PSX and PC versions); if you want to go away and tell us which location file this happens in, we can check it and then say, "Look, that guy was right."
I don't really want to shoot down somebody who's only just arrived on the message board, but please: If you're going to post something controversial *do* give some supporting evidence for it. That way, people won't just think you're a troll.
Whenever I play the game again, I'll look for it. And if I think your wrong........I'll be sure to state it. But I don't plan on playing FF7 for a long while. (Anyway I already pointed out some errors in the FMVs). As for it being unfinished? Maybe....but I don't think it was the ending that is unfinished....it's more like disk 2 than Disk 3. Disk 2 has a rushed feeling, to me. Just a bunch of foozle missions. Go get this stone, go get that stone, go find this key..... Disk 1 wasn't like that. I feel the ending is exactly what they wanted. An alternate ending was probably written, but never put in the game. Those mirrors in the Ancient City has always puzzled me and so has that matera fountain that is behind Nib. I never seen that ghost thing that people say they see.....I don't see anything in that Church...on disk 2 or 3 besides those two kids....not even for a brief second before the stuff gets loaded on the screen....never seen anything that looks like Aeris.
Thanls.
Plus, if you hold down [Control] while clicking on the Search button, Cosmo dumps the text from all the game files into TXT files in the Cosmo folder; then you can search them using whatever tool (Windows Find Files, Word, etc) you want.
Best examples, are The couple outside the train station....the one that keeps saying WOW!. and then later on they colapse...I guess it's supposed to be funny, but it makes no sense to me. There are the two Shinra Guards on the bottom of the Piller backdrop. when you leave for the next mission, with Barret and Tifa, when you talk to the two guys, the conversition doesn't make sense. Guard 2 asks Guard 1 something like, 'Cloud, do you find me intemedating?....Lot's of times the same bubble text answers the question so it looks like only one Guard is talking. It has to be a screw up in the translation and bubble layout. Another that comes to mind is when Aeris tells Cloud "Not to let it get to you!" when they are in the Church and that guy walks in. That statement seems to have two meanings, when Im sure it was supposed to have only one. It could be taken, Don't let that guy bother you....like don't hurt him. Or it can be, Don't let him get near you!. I'm sure it's supposed to be the latter. But it can go either way, so it becomes confusing. These small things are all over the game. If you want to do some practice patches...this would be a good place to start, I think. You could also edit Barret's censors..heheh. And just about everything that Jessie says, doesn't sound quite right....Also what could be fixed is Jessie's Card excuse. And Yuffies and Cloud's first conversation on the Highwind. There is also a small matter of the way Gast's video tapes are named. In Japan your ages starts at conception.
The next step would be to alter the gameplay....reduce the damage of Cloud's party, and increase enemies hitpoints....stuff like that. Balance the gameplay, to where Tents are actually needed.
Anyway....guess I strayed.
[This message has been edited by Threesixty (edited June 19, 2001).]
And the FF7PC version doesn't say that when they collapse.....It says something else,....can't remember right now....I'll say later. But I'm sure it makes no sense. If it is what you say, I would have made sense out of it. I'll replay later to-night. it 1:00pm right now...and my lunch break is over.....AHHHHH I'm already late!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW: I just re-edited my soundfonts...I think they sound a little better now, but they still need improvements.
. . . I always thought those two at the train station were committing suicide (I shoot you, you shoot me ). . . the way they're like "I'm sick of this."
BTW: Thinking of SoundFonts, 360, have you downloaded mine yet? I wanted to hear your opinion, considering you've also written an FF7 SoundFont.
*I'm not being sarcastic.
Naw, I haven't tried any FF7 soundfonts....what's the address.....maybe I'll borrow some of you instruments :wink:
Actually I made some volume changes on mine. I messed up on the Drums..., but I'm about to upload the older drum sets....I'm going to have to do a lot of editing to get the volume of the drums to sound good. That's going to be my next Version/Project.
so If you downloaded Yesterdays fonts...doubt anyone bothered...the Drums are way out of Volume....
http://www.geocities.com/threesixtyci/
I've also started a complete Dialog Script. I'm typing down every piece of Dialog that happens in FF7....Don't ask me why? I just am. 4 hours of play/typing, and I'm just arriving at Aeris' house...boy this is going to be a long process. I'm not sure If I want/should give this script out....but I imagine it would help those who are making the remake project...
I can type out exactly what that couple was saying at the lamppost....but I can't do it right now....
Ahhh!!!! I'm late for work again!
[This message has been edited by Threesixty (edited June 22, 2001).]
Oh and the lamp conversation goes like this:
Couple by lamppost: Guy: Girl: Guy: Girl: Guy: Gril: Girl: Guy: Girl: Guy: Girl: One of them, (girl?): The other, (guy?) ------------------------------- TiadaghtonDude: If your web page is Somedude....Your links are dead. If not guess you can ignore the following. First of all, you files size is too big. GeoCities won't let Big files out. Second of all the extention is causing problems...Frankly I'm surprised you were able to upload Sf2 files with the sf2 extension. Put .zip at the end. Use your Winrar program...and beef down the size to about a meg, with mutlitple Disk Spanning. They'll DL from GeoCity, then....(best to test them, too. [This message has been edited by Threesixty (edited June 22, 2001).]
I’m not letting you go tonight.
Wow!
Isn’t there somewhere we could go to be alone?
Wow!
There’s only the graveyard around here. And they say there’s ghosts around too!
…damn.
What?
Guy:
I’ve had it!
Me too.
You know this is the first time we’ve ever agreed on something.
Yes…
Well then, shall we?
Yes…
urggh….
…huff…wheez