Author Topic: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods and Modding Framework-The Reunion [R06f]  (Read 3031354 times)

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2825 on: 2016-06-22 21:32:33 »
You can reinstall.  The help menu will be inside the installer - the licence part.  I was sure I'd put it in the download, but if not - it's there too.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2826 on: 2016-06-22 22:42:27 »
Cool, thanks. Yeah, the name of the file in the download is Reunion-Readme.rtf, so I didn't know if Reunion-Help.rtf was a different file. Makes sense, though.

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« Reply #2827 on: 2016-06-22 22:43:23 »
Ah yeah... the next revision has it named help ;)  But that isnt out yet.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2828 on: 2016-06-23 02:30:44 »
Cat's Mansion is now Cats' Mansion.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2829 on: 2016-06-28 15:16:22 »
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As for the reactor - it's cloud's inner self.  He's remembering the reactor at Niblheim and how it was "more than a reactor" - the actual translation is "Not just a reactor" - but that makes it hard to grasp the intended meaning.  The reactor at Niblheim was not just a reactor - it housed the Jenova Project. You could also perhaps say it isn't the real Cloud this time - but a flashback to the Nibl reactor, caused by being in a familiar setting. 

The real Cloud frequently talks to the fake Cloud during the game - usually when asleep or otherwise unconscious.  It's the conflict of the real cloud trying to break free of the false persona- the one created from a lie based on the life on Zax. 

That first flashback is the first clue we receive as viewers that there is more going on with Cloud than we understand. In the end, it's just Cloud remembering that the Nibl reactor houses a secret. He's having a  flashback.

If I might humbly throw an idea out there about this, because of the ambiguity of whether a noun is singular or plural in Japanese, what if the line was made to be something like "Wake up!  These things are more than just reactors!"  That might clue in the player more that Cloud isn't just having a premonition about THIS reactor, but that he's (unconsciously) drawing on some mysterious unknown previous experiences (in this case, the incident with the reactor in Niblheim) and applying them to his current situation.  I.e. 'I know from my past experiences that there's something more to these reactor things than it seems at first glance.'

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« Reply #2830 on: 2016-06-28 15:18:05 »
It's about the one reactor, because the flashback is to a specific reactor (we see the Nibl reactor) - which housed a secret :)  It's highly unlikely to mean anything else.  Even if it does mean that, we'd need a verification from the writers to change it.

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« Reply #2831 on: 2016-06-28 15:20:02 »
Gotcha.  That makes sense.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2832 on: 2016-06-30 03:41:03 »
Explanation here:

southmk2


Code: [Select]


#xy 164 40
{CLOUD}
“It’s been a while,Mr President.”
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#xyh 8 64 2
President Shinra
“Been a while?
  Oh,it’s you.”{NEW}
“The Soldier who joined
  this Avalanche,or whatever.”{NEW}
“Only those exposed to Mako
  have that glow in their eyes.”{NEW}
“Tell me,traitor,
  what is your name?”
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#xy 200 56
{CLOUD}
“It’s… {CLOUD}.”
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#xy 8 64
President Shinra
“You’ll have to forgive me.
  I can’t be expected to
  remember every Soldier’s name.”{NEW}
“You would have to be
  another Sephiroth.”

It was brought to my attention by White Wind that it's unlikely Cloud and Shinra would know each other - or that Shinra would even know Cloud was a soldier.

With much discussion with Luksy too, it seems this is the explanation:

Very unlikely: Shinra has heard reports of a man wearing a 1st class Soldier uniform.
Unlikely: Shinra thinks that Cloud is Zax... a Soldier who disappeared.  Although he was shot dead so...
Likely: The writers created a plot hole because they wanted to shoe-horn in exposition. Cloud thinks he has met Shinra before simply because the elite of Soldier will have met the president at some point (ceremony for new 1st class soldiers, for example).

The above (slightly corrected) is as good as it gets.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2833 on: 2016-06-30 08:18:37 »
Hi, DLPB.
One question, were you able to edit background mds5_5 psx version with Tilemolester?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2834 on: 2016-06-30 09:44:23 »
Likely: The writers created a plot hole because they wanted to shoe-horn in exposition. Cloud thinks he has met Shinra before simply because the elite of Soldier will have met the president at some point (ceremony for new 1st class soldiers, for example).
What's the plot hole - the president having some knowledge of Cloud (as a Soldier member of Avalanche), or Cloud thinking he's met the president personally?

It's possible that Zax met the president as Sephiroth's pupil or simply as a Soldier 1st class, but even if he never did I don't find it implausible that Cloud believes a lot of things about Zax that aren't true (and has thus internalized for his own messed up persona). He spent a lot of time with the guy, but there must still be a lot of gaps that he's filling in for himself.

Either way, the retranslation reads well enough.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2835 on: 2016-06-30 14:55:57 »
Hi, DLPB.
One question, were you able to edit background mds5_5 psx version with Tilemolester?

I wasn't.  I didn't try.... To edit ff7 will need a dedicated tool.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2836 on: 2016-06-30 14:58:12 »
From another forum:

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Sorry if this was already reported (VERY minor spoilers below):



In Wutai sidequest:

"I know. I know that as well anyone..."

I think it was supposed to be:

"I know. I know that as well as anyone..."

http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,19709.msg310726.html#msg310726

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« Reply #2837 on: 2016-06-30 15:16:13 »
Corrected.  I seem to have a blind spot for "as well as"  or two "as" next to each other :P  This is the second time this has happened. But it likely would have been picked up in the final run through.  At least, I hope it would have been.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2838 on: 2016-07-01 05:53:39 »
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KBBbeilQTCAJJIOqOoLMnkKb-nEpqEoV5Ih4uW-Yoo8/edit#gid=653329679

I have almost finished fixing all critical field issues.  So maybe finally get round to releasing R05 soon.

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« Reply #2839 on: 2016-07-01 10:43:57 »
Wow, that's a lot of fixes. Well done!

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2840 on: 2016-07-08 03:51:39 »
I spotted one.  :P :-X

itmin1

“You’re telling me no-one knew
  a huge ball of fire could rain
  down on on us at any minute?”{NEW}

My brain reads double words as one - and missing words as being there when there should be double.  It's irritating.  Stupid brain.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2842 on: 2016-07-10 12:20:53 »
Speaking of Elevator bugs, have you fixed the glitch in Junon's Cargo Lift where you'll accidentally be warped to junin6 instead of junin1? This occurs if you enter the cargo lift from junin6, then leave again straight away. If you then head out of Junon via the Air Taxi, then Bit 0 [3][235] incorrectly remains on, which is why you are warped incorrectly.

The fix would be to add a line which disables this flag at junele2 - 4 Border - S2 Move - Line 17

-edit- thinking on it, I can't remember if I pointed this out before...
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2843 on: 2016-07-10 20:07:06 »
Yeah - you sent me the fix ;)  It should be noted on both bugtrackers.

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« Reply #2844 on: 2016-07-13 03:32:25 »
Will R05 include centered fields? I'm really looking forward to that and the bug fixes.

Also, is there anyway to make the leaves that fly up when Cloud is walking through a forest more noticeable on the world map? It's lacking when compared to the PSX version so naturally I'm bothered by it.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2845 on: 2016-07-13 08:45:37 »
I wouldn't know where to begin with the leaves and it might be a graphical issue so would need Aali to look at it.  As for field centring - check the bugtracker - it also tells you which version it is fixed in.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2846 on: 2016-07-13 12:48:51 »
DLPB,

could you tell us about Model Overhaul? Will there be any changes since version 04?

May this new Yuffie model be interesting material for MO perhaps?

Thanks!

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« Reply #2847 on: 2016-07-13 13:01:01 »
It's way way too far removed from the original model.  The face isn't even close.

All changes are in the bugtracker :)

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« Reply #2848 on: 2016-07-13 14:52:14 »
Oh yes, thank you for the reminder about the bugtracker.

I honestly cannot even remember so well what the original model of Yuffie looks like...

Haven't played the game again for so long beacause R05 is what I need! ;)

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R04c)
« Reply #2849 on: 2016-07-17 17:08:04 »
The mds5_5 field that shows "07" for District 5 gate entrance has been fixed by Il Ducci.  Spy_Dragon has been doing some coordinating. 

I've also noticed the orientation of 3D models there is a little strange too on that map.  So I'll look into it.

The elevator is fixed.  Will pop up a video later.
"Switch on" dialogue is silly.
Reactor 1/5 ambient sound effect is not halted.
Elevator numbers do not display correctly.
Elevator switch lights do not work.
Jessie's animation can restart / be played out of order.
Cloud can leave the elevator and then return to see the same scene with Jessie.
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