Author Topic: Help needed finding this monster (Read 7564 times)

The Skillster · « **on:** 2003-11-29 15:48:54 »

I was watching my sister playing ff7 on my ps2
I noticed a monster id never seen before
not in my 3 years in playing FF7 pc
so i grabbed me camera and took a few shots.
Its a cube monster, has anyone seen it in FF7 PC> or in Alhexx's FF7 monster viewer?
http://www.skillster.co.uk/ff7monster01.jpg
http://www.skillster.co.uk/ff7monster02.jpg
it was found in the scene after you fight Jenova *Death in the northern crater.

Alhexx · « **Reply #1 on:** 2003-11-29 19:34:37 »

Well, I think I have checked *every* battle model in Ultima, however, I have NEVER seen anything like this!

- Alhexx

Afrotronics · « **Reply #2 on:** 2003-11-30 00:13:05 »

my friend's told me that there's some weird memory thing that goes on there and it loads messed up model data and just slaps cached textures on there, don't know if it's true but hey...it's a theory

Qhimm · « **Reply #3 on:** 2003-11-30 00:26:57 »

I don't even recognize the textures... (at least that eerie blue one)

Rubicant · « **Reply #4 on:** 2003-11-30 03:46:46 »

I've seen that damn thing before! It was an annoying monster...and I kicked its ass.

The Skillster · « **Reply #5 on:** 2003-11-30 05:11:19 »

Afrotronics.... what the hell u on about?
qhimm: yea id never seen it before, so i had to grab a shot, maybe its only in FF7 psx? anyone got a PC save just before the north crater scene just after cloud gives the black materia to another player to look after? just after the fight with jenova death (theres a save point just behind sephiroth)

Rubicant · « **Reply #6 on:** 2003-11-30 08:20:12 »

You are in luck, Captain Ahab. I have a save spot in the PC version...and it's the very one I saw the monster with. Here's a screenshot...

PM me for the savegame...

mirex · « **Reply #7 on:** 2003-11-30 18:46:39 »

Whoa I've made viewer for all the FF7 monsters, and I never ever seen that monster before ... strange !!!

Afrotronics: noo IMHO messed up data would look differently, really messed up like, that model looks too good.

Terence Fergusson · « **Reply #8 on:** 2003-11-30 19:23:23 »

You've not seen Killbins before? I'm surprised. Hell, I remember a Quiz Square question we asked way back in the days of AGFFR where those were one of the answers.

===============================================

Name: Killbin
Lvl: 30 EXP: 700 Win: [ 8] Ether
HP: 3200 AP: 150 Steal: [32] Turbo Ether
MP: 380 Gil: 1000 Morph: Mind Source
---
No Elemental Properties
---
Att: 90 Def: 64 Df%: 12
MAt: 85 MDf: 126
---
Immune: Manipulate
---
Attacks:
<x>
Physical Attack
Str: 1x Base (342)
Tar: 1 Op
Elm: Non-Element
Attr: Berserk Attack
Notes: Used when Killbin has 'Orange Swords' shown
<Cure2>
Magical Piercing HP Restore
Str: Base + 770 (1460)
Cost: 24 MP
Tar: All Al/1 Al
Elm: Restorative
Attr: Reflectable
Notes: Used when Killbin has 'Pink Heart' shown
Only used when Killbin's HP <=

<Fire2>
Magical Attack
Str: 1 1/4x Base (862.5)
Cost: 22 MP
Tar: 1 Op/All Op
Elm: Fire
Attr: Reflectable
Notes: Used when Killbin has 'Red Fire' shown
<Ice2>
Magical Attack
Str: 1 1/4x Base (862.5)
Cost: 22 MP
Tar: 1 Op/All Op
Elm: Ice
Attr: Reflectable
Notes: Used when Killbin has 'Blue Ice' shown
<Aspil>
Magical MP Absorb
Str: 1/8x Base (86.25)
Cost: 1 MP
Tar: 1 Op
Elm: Non-Element
Notes: Used when Killbin has 'Blue Electronics' shown
Only used when Killbin's MP <=

<Slow>
Change Status
Cost: 20 MP
Tar: 1 Op/All Op
Elm: Non-Element
Attr: [25] Inflict 'Slow'
Reflectable
Notes: Used when Killbin has 'Yellow Clock' shown

===============================================

The Skillster · « **Reply #9 on:** 2003-11-30 22:39:50 »

welcome back terrence,
so you saying it has differing attacks and status dependant on the side facing the player?
has to be said, if never seen it before, and i assume you can only find it in the screen with the fight with Jenova Death

Terence Fergusson · « **Reply #10 on:** 2003-12-01 04:03:24 »

The Notes are more just to identify which attack goes with which side, because it can use any of the six attacks according to its AI script. It doesn't print up any move name: the only distinction you have is the side that turns up and the effect of the attack.

Killbins show up on quite a few screens, I think, but yeah, they're generally found *deeper* in the Whirlwind Maze than others (Dragon Riders, Gremlins, Sculptures and so forth are also around there)

And I'm not 'back'; I've just stopped semi-lurking for five seconds to say something

mirex · « **Reply #11 on:** 2003-12-01 11:53:02 »

Ow now i found KillBin in Leviathan ... its there, but it looks like a white cube .. because textures are not shown yet...

The Skillster · « **Reply #12 on:** 2003-12-01 23:37:43 »

lol @ Mirex, didnt think of that

jopfleger · « **Reply #13 on:** 2003-12-02 08:51:43 »

I designed a tool allowing to visualize or modify the enemies (FF7).
This tool is based on the decompression of the file scene.bin.
Then on a program which deciphers inside scene.bin the descriptors of the enemies.
The Date Structure of the descriptors was published on this site.
Ref:
http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?t=2113 (FF7's .BIN Format Spec)
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fremensf/forumff7/ff7hack/scenebinfileformat.pdf

We progressed in the discoveries by finding other information.
Excuse, but the publications are in French.
Ref:
http://forumsf.planet-shitfliez.org/viewforum.php?f=7 (Edition de Final Fantasy VII)

About the screen shot of the tool (VB6).
The tool is operational and allows to read or modify very precisely the characteristics of the enemies.
Here a screen shot where you can see sliders which make it possible to modify certain characteristics like HP's or Level's).
It should be prevented that the players meet enemies impossible to beat.
This is why the tool allows for example to modify the HP between two limited values, HP original * 0,5 min and HP original * 3 max.
First of all, it is possible to change all the characteristics, the screen shot gives only one example.
For example:
- HP
- MP
- AP
- EXP
- Gils
- Level
- Speed
- Luck
- Physical dodge
- Physical defense
- Strength
- Magic power
- Magic magic defense
- Links between the enemies and elements (Fire, Ice, Bolt, Gravity, ...): Death, Weakness (200% damage), Resist (50% damage), Absorbe (-100% damage), ...
The tool allows also to change the objects received at the end of the combat or the objects which can be stolen or the objects received by Morph.

Please, help me. I can not insert my image (.jpg)
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jopfleger · « **Reply #14 on:** 2003-12-02 10:14:10 »

I read in the FAQ that the images must be published in a publicly accessible web server.
Do you know such sites?

Contra · « **Reply #15 on:** 2003-12-02 11:11:16 »

Quote from: jopfleger

I read in the FAQ that the images must be published in a publicly accessible web server.
Do you know such sites?

Mirex has his public trash bin. http://bin.mypage.sk

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Hic iacet Contrus, Rex quondam rexque futuris.

jopfleger · « **Reply #16 on:** 2003-12-02 11:21:50 »

Thanks, Contra.
The screen shot can be found at:
http://bin.mypage.sk/FILES/Kilbin.jpg

jopfleger · « **Reply #17 on:** 2003-12-03 07:14:50 »

I did not extract the images for all the enemies.
But here the image of Kilbin extracted.

The Skillster · « **Reply #18 on:** 2003-12-03 08:21:32 »

that tool looks good
can you actually make changes to the enemies stats?
like increase their HP and Levels?
If so Id love to test it out

jopfleger · « **Reply #19 on:** 2003-12-03 09:13:14 »

Yes.
I am testing now (with epsxe), you don't need to reload the game, you can just switch the scene.bin. Scene.bin is reloaded as soon as a battle starts.

If the tool works well, I will publish the sources (C for somme utilities and VB for the interface).
A lot of informations have been published at the forum shitfliez
Ref:
http://forumsf.planet-shitfliez.org/viewforum.php?f=7 (Edition de Final Fantasy VII)