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Title: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-11-28 17:47:30
I've created an app that helps people learn Japanese in a fun way by using Final Fantasy VII as examples!

No need to download or install anything. It's a public web app.

Home Page: http://kujatas.com/learn-japanese-from-final-fantasy-7 (http://kujatas.com/learn-japanese-from-final-fantasy-7)

Current Version: 1.1

Newest Features:

Other Features:

Features that might be in a future version:

Special thanks to:

Hope you guys like it! Would love to hear your feedback and suggestions!
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2015-11-29 03:20:19
This is really cool!  Do you by any chance have any plans to add the Beacause translation to it when I've finalized it?
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-11-29 15:17:20
Sure! It already shows Beacause for the non-dialogue text. When I get the Beacause translation for the dialogue, I'll try to incorporate it. I would need the Japanese and English text side by side, though, similar to the public non-dialogue spreadsheet that you published.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-11-29 22:51:22
Update: Beta 0.3: You can now browse the full FF7 dialogue text.

Coming Soon: Beta 0.4: You should also be able to browse the full FF7 non-dialogue text. Also, after clicking on a Japanese character in the hiragana, katakana, or kanji page, on the "search results" page, for each dialogue result I'll add a link back to the full dialogue script for that chapter, which should provide better context.

Also I've started playing FF7 International again and capturing screenshots, so I'll probably start adding interesting images to this app as well.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2015-12-01 18:10:08
Looking forward to it.  I am going to start learning kanji too.

Also, there are a few updates to the non-dialogue for Beacause.  See the document here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rCfwrvE9jSO_vojc4rq0fOIlyrjj_6MOUlFCLN0VMgg/edit#gid=0&vpid=A1

Remember to check notes also.

Items

Mute Mask > Mask

Enemies

Curvinue > Curubik

Bagnadrana > Bugdra
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-12-01 19:14:02
Thanks, DLPB! Added.

So, in general, there were a couple of updates today:
Beta 0.4:
- You can now browse the full FF7 non-dialogue text.
Beta 0.5:
- Now includes the latest Beacause non-dialogue text, as provided by DLPB above.
- Also added screenshots of the Character Naming screens to show how they display the hiragana and katakana alphabets.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2015-12-01 19:24:50
Suggestion - the romaji / name of the japanese.  When I see Star, I should also see under it "hoshi" for example.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-12-01 19:48:04
Great minds think alike, I just added this to the list of future features.

For kanji, I'm thinking about putting the hiragana pronunciation above it and the Romaji pronunciation below it.

And I'll probably give users options like "always show", "always hide", "show only on hover", etc.

Putting hiragana pronunciation above kanji is actually a pretty common practice, even in Japan. They do this in the Final Fantasy VII International instruction booklet that comes with the game. And another example is Japanese news sites, like: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/ (http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/)
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-12-01 21:02:25
DLPB, I went ahead and added the pronunciations, but only on the Kanji page. If you search that page for "star" you'll confirm that "hoshi" is indeed one of the pronunciations.

Also, I realized that I already had the English translation written below the kanji, so I put the hiragana pronunciation above the word (which seems to be the custom in Japan), and I put the Romaji pronunciation above that. I think it works really well.

I guess I'll call this Beta 0.6 and update the first post.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: nfitc1 on 2015-12-02 12:27:56
Putting hiragana pronunciation above kanji is actually a pretty common practice, even in Japan.
There are 2000 kanji that is considered "basic literacy" (I think that's up to seventh grade literacy). Those do not have the kana printed above them unless they are intended to be read by children. So menues, warning signs, kid-friendly advertisements, etc will have all the kanji "furigana"ed (that's what you call those characters unless they're part of a name, which makes them nanori). News papers aren't required to do this to these 2000 kanji, but for kanji outside of this basic set it's required.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: Roden on 2015-12-02 21:13:26
This is pretty neat for Japanese learning FF7 fans! One thing your "app" is good for is word examples, if you've learnt a new word, why not check to see how it's used in the FF7 dialogue. :D

Though I think for some the style of learning is not very practical, using my field expanded disk I've been able to add a lot of English text into the JP game itself to give on the fly "immersive" translations. Though I didn't finish the whole game as I find the Vita + JP PSN store much better for Japanese learning than FF7, simply due to variety + audio. But this is really great for FF7 fans anyways.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: cmh175 on 2015-12-03 14:53:27
Wow, this is a really incredible project. I'm at a slightly intermediate level, still using furigana for kanji when possible. This will be cool to check out.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-12-04 23:51:00
Update: Now at version Beta 0.7. The katakana page now includes a table of digraphs, such as chi+yo=cho (as in Chocobo) and te+i=ti and fu+a=fa (as in Tifa).

NFITC1: Thanks for the clarification around furigana! I'm planning to make it optional to hide the furigana. I've never lived in Japan, so your feedback is incredibly useful.

Roden: That's a cool idea of injecting English translations in the Japanese FF7 game itself! And I agree that FF7 is probably not the best way to learn Japanese, but then it again it might be effective if it makes the learning process fun enough. Obviously there are major limitations, like no audio, and limited genre/text to work with.

cmh175: Glad to see your interest as well. I remember your other thread discussing inserting Japanese in the English game. If you can solve the technical problems around that, FF7 could be translated into a lot more languages.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-12-09 00:49:40
Update: Beta 0.8: Added a new Stats page!

You can now explore statistics to see which katakana strings, katakana syllables, and hiragana strings appear the most often in Final Fantasy VII.
In the future version, you can also see which hiragana syllables and kanji appear the most often in Final Fantasy VII.

Some people might want this information to help them decide which Japanese characters to focus on in their studies.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2015-12-14 04:56:05
Smart! Well done!
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-12-14 11:42:50
Thanks! How can I make it better?
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-12-16 18:10:33
Update: Beta 0.9: Finally got around to adding the hiragana digraphs (like ji+ya=ja).

This happens to be a big milestone. Now, finally:
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2015-12-21 03:11:57
Update: Beta 0.10: Finally added a generic Search Page. You can now search for any custom Japanese or English text in Final Fantasy VII.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2016-02-06 22:28:08
Update: Version 1.1 is released! And actually, there were a couple of other releases before this (1.0 and "Beta 0.11"), but I never updated this thread.

So, there have been lots of changes recently since my last update here. The biggest recent changes are:

Anyway, see the first post for more info. Or just go see it yourself and play with it: http://kujatas-picklejar.rhcloud.com/ (http://kujatas-picklejar.rhcloud.com/)
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2016-03-10 09:32:56
http://kujatas-picklejar.rhcloud.com/katakana

You have two "zu"  and two "ji" - you sure that's correct?  If so - why are there 2 of the same sound
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2016-03-14 19:49:10
There can be duplicates because of the way the voiced syllables work. I can double check those specific letters though. I think one form is usually much more common than the other. Try clicking on them to see where they are used in FF7 (if at all).
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-02-12 18:54:55
This needs updating. A few changes have been made.  The biggest is "Knoll's Pol" becoming Nordpol. See The Reunion Database.

Dan
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2018-01-26 00:25:49
Update: I have moved this tool from RedHat OpenShift to Amazon AWS. For now, the new URL is:

http://ec2-52-207-42-130.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kujatas/home (http://ec2-52-207-42-130.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kujatas/home)

I'm working on making the URL a little more "pretty", but at least the site is back up again.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2018-01-27 17:37:05
The URL has changed yet again to: http://35.170.174.231/kujatas/home (http://35.170.174.231/kujatas/home)

It will change at least one more time, but then it will be a much nicer looking URL.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2018-01-27 18:58:24
Meanwhile I need to finalize the database for you, so you can update.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2018-01-27 19:08:09
DLPB: Sure, when it's ready, just send me a private message, then I can work with you to integrate with it.
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: picklejar on 2018-01-27 19:09:51
Okay, I finally have a nice URL for the site. Hopefully the URL won't change much from now on. The new location is:

http://kujatas.com/learn-japanese-from-final-fantasy-7 (http://kujatas.com/learn-japanese-from-final-fantasy-7)
Title: Re: Learn Japanese from Final Fantasy VII examples!
Post by: ocac on 2020-06-20 06:05:42
Hi picklejar,
I am not sure if you grace these boards with your presence anymore, but if so I would really appreciate the chance to talk about your site and Herman1134's comparison. I am using a parser tool to make a frequency-based "dictionary" of the Japanese script of FF7, to try and help let's say the average N3/N2-level learner enjoy the game in the original, with a "Primer" of important words they may be missing for ~95% comprehension.

Not sure if you can DM me (I am but a newbie poster, so I at least cannot initiate DMs myself), but if you were interested in this project it would be great to talk, as your site while up was a huuuuge help to me, but a little more if possible would be great. (Outlined here (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=20025.0), if interested.)