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Miscellaneous Forums => Archive => Topic started by: sl1982 on 2011-03-27 16:53:50
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Alright people, here is your chance to help out the administration staff of Qhimm in cleaning this place up. What do you think Tech related should be changed to to avoid posting confusion.
Questions/comments? Post them here.
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Maybe something like Scripting and Engineering?
Reverse Engineering sounds ok..ish, but also sounds a little too specific and might cause threads that should go there to be put in places like General.
Game Engine Investigations, while correct in describing the board, sounds very uninviting and more suited for QGears.. I honestly like Tech Related more.
Inner Workings isn't descriptive enough I don't think and would rely 100% on the board description for people to know what to post in it.
Game Mechanics isn't bad, but also reminds me of GameFAQs and doesn't really sound like a board for strictly serious inquisitive posting
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Out of those, I'd say "Game Mechanics" is the best. "Reverse Engineering" sounds too illegal, "Game Engine Investigations" sounds too long-winded and "Inner Workings" sounds too unprofessional.
However, I'm not convinced that the board needs to be renamed, especially if we're not sure which name would be better. It should only be changed if we can absolutely agree that there is a name which is far more appropriate.
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Maybe something like Scripting and Engineering?
This is a good one. +1 vote.
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What about Scripting and File Formats? And then we can put in the details what types of things are to be put there.
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Perhaps it could be split By GAME, would make it a bit ezer to keep it all neatly organized..
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Keep it the same :P Forum's been around for 11 years no need to change it now. That's my opinion anyway.
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Game Mechanics seems the most appropriate IMO.
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Perhaps it could be split By GAME, would make it a bit ezer to keep it all neatly organized..
I also like this idea! Also my idea for the tech forums is "Technical Inquiry and Analysis". Anyone?
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I enjoy "Game Mechanics". It reads the best, to me.
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I also like this idea! Also my idea for the tech forums is "Technical Inquiry and Analysis". Anyone?
Im not so sure about this one, Technical Inquiry is to ambiguous.
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The board is where we discuss the algorithms and file formats of a precompiled binary. By definition, it is a reverse engineering board.
It doesn't matter if that sounds a little furtive. We could call tech related 'bunnies and flowers' - that still wouldn't stop Square issuing a CND if we divulge the details of an exclusive technology or the like.
'Mechanics' is poorly defined, and users will find it hard to know what we mean. Does it mean the 'rules' of the game (as it would outside this board)? Does it exclude something like model parsing routines? Does it refer exclusively to the subjects covered in TFerguson's 'mechanics' documents? etc. etc.
'Engine investigations' sounds like we're tackling only the 3D engine; 'inner workings' seems vague to me. I still think 'reverse engineering'.
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I think "Game Mechanics" will still draw in those people thinking that they can post their modded errors. You need something that bluntly states that the forum they are entering is hosting highly technological conversations about the game data and the compilation/engineering/using/dumping/changing of that data. That's why I voted for the one that may be a little big but it has an intimidation factor with it.
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i say keep it as is no point in changing it as it suits what people tend to post in tech related plus none of the names pop out as being the right name for this type of forum plus with it being tech its easy for even most newbies to understand if they've read the rules in any way shape or form.
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if they've read the rules in any way shape or form.
that's a pretty big if
if everyone read the rules straight away we all know this discussion would be far less relevant if not entirely pointless
alas...
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"Inner Workings" just doesn't sound right next to the other board titles.
"Game Mechanics" seems like the most generalized (especially when compared to "Reverse Engineering"). I think that's the best bet, personally.
I don't like "Scripting and Engineering". Somehow, it just seems… too serious.
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I don't like "Scripting and Engineering". Somehow, it just seems… too serious.
Ah, but that is the beauty behind it. Any "newbie" who sees it will immediately know his thread doesn't belong there. Most threads I have to move come from Tech Related because people think the reason their graphic mod won't work is some technical problem.
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I think "Game Mechanics" is no more likely to get misplaced threads than "Scripting and Engineering", because both names sound more specific than "Tech-related Discussion". I think the name only needs to be specific to a point, though. "Scripting and Engineering" strikes me as being needlessly specific. I'd imagine there's some threshold level of specificity, past which the name of the board will no longer affect how frequently wrong things get posted there. (I didn't know how else to phrase that…)
Just my opinion. I realize that you probably know a lot better than me. But no matter what it's renamed to, some of the less 'forum-savvy' people who come here will still post the wrong stuff in the wrong places.
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I have to agree with Bosola on how "Game Mechanics" could refer only to the rules of the game.
"Game Mechanics" seems to be an actual term. I don't understand it too well, but it doesn't really cover internal workings. It seems to be more about gameplay.
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I like Obesebear's reasoning. If you've been here for awhile, it really doesn't matter what it is named because we all know what goes there. If it is renamed, the new name of the board means a lot more to new members.
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I'm assuming no consensus was yet reached since the name stayed the same ?
As for comments about some names sounding uninviting, that's pretty much what I was going for. Tech Related is like the library of the boards. No messing around in there (messing with hot chicks between bookshelves is ok though)!
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No concensus yet, not enough support for anything. We might just decide between the staff.
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I would take Tools out of Projects, swap Mods and Projects, rename Projects to Work in Progress.
Final Fantasy 7 //Section
*Reverse Engineering //Board
*Mods //Board
*Work in Progress //Sub-board
*Tools //Board
Something like that anyway.
And I'm with either Reverse Engineering.
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I think it definitely needs to contain the word Engineering, if only to serve as an obvious sign to new members that they probably have no business being in there.
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Programming Help?
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Programming Help?
We just got rid of the Programming Feedback forum. No need to reinstate it ;-)
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If "Reverse Engineering" on its own sounds a bit TOO specific and a bit TOO negative to a few folks, why not "Engineering and Reverse Engineering"? Sonic Retro forums have a board with that name reserved for rom hacking and data investigation and the like, and it's never been too confusing as to what the board's for. By adding "engineering and" it's a bit more gentle sounding.
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By adding "engineering and" it's a bit more gentle sounding.
You mean like Scripting and Engineering? :)
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You mean like Scripting and Engineering? :)
Something like that, yeah. That must be why I +1'd the first time you posted that suggestion :P
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It sounds like 'scripting and engineering' is the most popular one. Personally, I think it's a bit too vague - 'reverse engineering' is explicit about us trying to, well, reverse-engineer algorithms and filestructures. But either, I think, is more helpful than 'tech related'.
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Consensus : Scripting and Reverse Engineering ?
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^ What he said.
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...Are you psychic?
We agreed on 'Scripting and Reverse Engineering' as a candidate earlier this evening.
Thoughts?
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Consensus : Scripting and Reverse Engineering ?
I don't see any consensus. Three people doesn't count, especially when the poll says something quite different.
Nor is it always a good idea to mix together the two most vocally supported ideas. If half of us wanted ice-cream and the other half wanted pizza, would you give us ice-cream pizza?
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I don't see any consensus. Three people doesn't count, especially when the poll says something quite different.
Nor is it always a good idea to mix together the two most vocally supported ideas. If half of us wanted ice-cream and the other half wanted pizza, would you give us ice-cream pizza?
Logical fallacy is fallacious. This is a bad analogy.
It is not ALWAYS a good idea to mix the two, but in this case it works. "Not always" != "Never"
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Logical fallacy is fallacious. This is a bad analogy.
It is not ALWAYS a good idea to mix the two, but in this case it works. "Not always" != "Never"
I don't think it works. In fact, I think it's exactly like ice cream pizza.
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I don't think it works. In fact, I think it's exactly like ice cream pizza.
No, ice cream pizza would be "Scripting and completely unrelated".
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Game mechanics usually refers to how the gameplay works rather than how the engine the game runs on works.
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No, ice cream pizza would be "Scripting and completely unrelated".
To me, "Scripting and Reverse Engineering" seems very much like two things that have been forced together even though they don't want to be. Much as I dislike "Reverse engineering" it sounds better than the compromise.
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Open the polls back up dang it! I want to see an interesting topic opened back up!
EDIT: Edited for clarity.
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And it is done!
There have been some very good candidates in this thread, and all were appealing, but in the end, I think we went for the choice that ticked the most boxes for the most people.
To me, "Scripting and Reverse Engineering" seems very much like two things that have been forced together even though they don't want to be.
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You'll learn to love it. See, the thing about democracy is... this isn't one! Muahahah! You guys notice how you were allowed to vote yet we pulled an "America" and did whatever we wanted anyways? :-P
Game Mechanics just sounds too much like something you'd see on GameFAQs and I'm pretty sure newcomers would still be unsure whether or not their post about FF7 not working belongs there.
Game Engine Investigations just sounds weird. And weird is for losers.
Reverse Engineering is exactly what goes on, and is a good name. But adding Scripting into the mix also shows that the board has a little leeway as to what should be posted in it. This way people know that even if they are trying to figure out how to make the date mechanics work differently or trying to find the exact values to edit to change battle speed from 15 to 60fps, or anything else not strictly engineering related, it still belongs in Scripting instead of General.
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...Are you psychic?
We agreed on 'Scripting and Reverse Engineering' as a candidate earlier this evening.
Thoughts?
yes, yes I am.
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And it is done!
There have been some very good candidates in this thread, and all were appealing, but in the end, I think we went for the choice that ticked the most boxes for the most people.
Ice cream pizza
Stop making fun of my relationships!
But seriously, FOREVER ALONE
Fufu, don't worry Bosola-chan. We all know that in your relationships, only one of the two parties wishes she wasn't there.
You guys notice how you were allowed to vote yet we pulled an "America" and did whatever we wanted anyways? :-P
We were never under the impression that you were going to do anything else. I'm sure the decision had been made before this thread was even put up.
I wonder what will happen in a few weeks' time when you realise that the number of people posting topics on the wrong board hasn't decreased?
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Well what would you suggest Kudistos? There is no real good name that encompasses both. Or are you suggesting a split between scripting and reverse engineering?
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Well what would you suggest Kudistos? There is no real good name that encompasses both. Or are you suggesting a split between scripting and reverse engineering?
I was never convinced of the need for it to be renamed in the first place. As we have seen, there is no name that everyone agrees is great, so why bother? It feels like change for the sake of change.
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Noted. While I disagree on this and feel Tech Related was too obscure a name.
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I was never convinced of the need for it to be renamed in the first place. As we have seen, there is no name that everyone agrees is great, so why bother? It feels like change for the sake of change.
If it wasn't for the fact that the moderation log is now 74 pages, I would happily go through it and show you the dozens upon dozens of threads I've had to move out of "Tech Related" and "Tech Related Discussion".
It's not change for the sake of change. Clearly newcomers were slightly confused by the name, and if this name change clears things up and makes the forum more organized, then why not do it?
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If it wasn't for the fact that the moderation log is now 74 pages, I would happily go through it and show you the dozens upon dozens of threads I've had to move out of "Tech Related" and "Tech Related Discussion".
It's not change for the sake of change. Clearly newcomers were slightly confused by the name, and if this name change clears things up and makes the forum more organized, then why not do it?
Because you're assuming that those people weren't the kind of people who would be confused by any name.
I very much doubt that people who didn't "get it" the first time around would even know what "scripting and reverse engineering" means.
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Exactly. If they dont understand what it means then maybe they will post it somewhere else. Most likely not but we will see how it goes.
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I very much doubt that people who didn't "get it" the first time around would even know what "scripting and reverse engineering" means.
Precisely! If they're confused by it they'll more likely post in a forum they understand. Simple words like "Troubleshooting" scream "Hey newbie post here!"
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Even if there is no perfect best name, the change is a good one. Pretty much every name suggested by anyone was better than "Tech Related", so regardless of which was chosen it would have been an improvement. The old name was consistently getting people posting stuff that didn't belong there, and this name is a little more clearly NOT a support name.
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Have no idea on that.....!!!
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Had already been renamed...