Author Topic: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods and Modding Framework-The Reunion [R06f] (Read 3025891 times)

obesebear · « **Reply #1275 on:** 2015-05-07 22:27:03 »

Maybe then it's not a problem of the model using the wrong animation, but that the wrong model is being used. It would make more sense if it were the MP's guarding it instead of a receptionist

spy__dragon · « **Reply #1276 on:** 2015-05-07 23:20:46 »

I would like to change the "model Edea" for two MP red on PSX.
How could do I?

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1277 on:** 2015-05-07 23:24:16 »

Wow, it's that model? What the hell's happened? I always thought the guards were asleep there or something. But now I find it's because the model is corrupted.

And yeah, it's fairly easy to change models with Makou.

spy__dragon · « **Reply #1278 on:** 2015-05-07 23:29:59 »

Quote from: DLPB on 2015-05-07 23:24:16

Wow, it's that model? What the hell's happened? I always thought the guards were asleep there or something. But now I find it's because the model is corrupted.

And yeah, it's fairly easy to change models with Makou.

Makou Reactor only can edit modelts on PC version

On Psx version is other story.

Kaldarasha · « **Reply #1279 on:** 2015-05-08 05:19:38 »

Quote from: DLPB on 2015-05-07 23:24:16

Wow, it's that model? What the hell's happened? I always thought the guards were asleep there or something. But now I find it's because the model is corrupted.

And yeah, it's fairly easy to change models with Makou.

I have made a model for that and a new animation too. I guess I called it EDEA.a. It has the hands on the front so it looks more like reception lady from Japan. Is it corrupted on psx, too? I knew that the PSX version has slightly more polished script and some scenes have a different global light setting.
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/14780/article/final-fantasy-7-now-in-hd-on-pc-comparison-shots-released/

Green_goblin · « **Reply #1280 on:** 2015-05-10 14:40:01 »

Hi DLPB

A question for you. Inside the Gi cave, there are 3 chests (GIDUN_4).

The original script says:

004------------------------------------------------
Received "Fairy Ring"!
005------------------------------------------------
Received "X-Potion"!
006------------------------------------------------
Received "Turbo Ether"!

And your translations says:

004------------------------------------------------
{YELLOW}Bugenhagen{WHITE}
“Look, Nanaki…
Your father. The warrior, Seto.”
005------------------------------------------------
{YELLOW}{RED XIII}{WHITE}
“That…
That's… Seto?”
006------------------------------------------------
{YELLOW}Bugenhagen{WHITE}
“Seto continued to fight the Gi here.
He never stopped protecting the canyon.”

So when I opened the chests I saw those wierd messages instead of the Received or Obtained bla bla bla.

Do you know why is this happening?

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1281 on:** 2015-05-10 14:56:33 »

No... this doesn't happen in PC version. Your window Ids must have gotten messed up and no longer matching text. Check with Makou.

Green_goblin · « **Reply #1282 on:** 2015-05-10 15:17:28 »

You are right, please disregard my message.
By the way, spy_dargon is working on the receptionist 3D model but needs some help, maybe Kaldarasha can help him with the PSX model.

spy__dragon · « **Reply #1283 on:** 2015-05-11 21:27:38 »

Quote from: Green_goblin on 2015-05-10 15:17:28

You are right, please disregard my message.
By the way, spy_dargon is working on the receptionist 3D model but needs some help, maybe Kaldarasha can help him with the PSX model.

It's fixed!
Thanks for the helping of messabasker and jeet.
Oregon could to replace the model on psx.

Pic:

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1284 on:** 2015-05-11 22:08:22 »

I need someone to do this for PC. I can do it myself but a little busy. What coordinates etc did you use? Or better yet, upload the field file.

spy__dragon · « **Reply #1285 on:** 2015-05-12 00:57:42 »

Use makou reactor, in the models, change the name EDEA for AZHE.
Save the file and test it.

I tested it and works.
On PSX version is harder than PC.

Regards.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1286 on:** 2015-05-12 01:08:49 »

Oh. Ok.

Yeah, it works fine. And the animation is arms behind back... I guess they just got the wrong model.

Ansem · « **Reply #1287 on:** 2015-05-12 14:22:12 »

Quote from: DLPB on 2015-05-12 01:08:49

I guess they just got the wrong model.

Can that be possible though? That is the only map in which model EDEA is ever used. If it is removed, it will become an unused model completely. I'd be more inclined to say they got the animation wrong.

Green_goblin · « **Reply #1288 on:** 2015-05-12 14:29:24 »

Quote from: Ansem Darkseeker on 2015-05-12 14:22:12

Can that be possible though? That is the only map in which model EDEA is ever used. If it is removed, it will become an unused model completely. I'd be more inclined to say they got the animation wrong.

That is what I thought at first. Those 2 girls are there as recepcionists/hostess, but then I noticed that they get nasty on you when you speak to them. The way they talk to you it's like they were soldiers/watchman/security guards.

Also the 3D model is called KEIBI which means "guard" in Japanese. So at the end my conclusion is that the correct model shoud be 2 red soldiers.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1289 on:** 2015-05-12 15:18:48 »

Quote from: Ansem Darkseeker on 2015-05-12 14:22:12

Can that be possible though? That is the only map in which model EDEA is ever used. If it is removed, it will become an unused model completely. I'd be more inclined to say they got the animation wrong.

Yeah, it's possible. FF7 had a ton of mistakes... and having receptionists there really doesn't make much sense. It's possible they wanted some other model there but messed up. Also what ^ said. When the game testers did their walk through, it's likely they saw what I always have... guards asleep /lying down on the floor. I've never considered this a mistake until someone came here and noted it. And that's despite me playing through game over 10 times. So, if I didn't know after all that, then the testers and designers may have also overlooked it.

Kaldarasha · « **Reply #1290 on:** 2015-05-12 15:46:13 »

Quote from: DLPB on 2015-05-12 15:18:48

Yeah, it's possible. FF7 had a ton of mistakes... and having receptionists there really doesn't make much sense. It's possible they wanted some other model there but messed up. Also what ^ said. When the game testers did their walk through, it's likely they saw what I always have... guards asleep /lying down on the floor. I've never considered this a mistake until someone came here and noted it. And that's despite me playing through game over 10 times. So, if I didn't know after all that, then the testers and designers may have also overlooked it.

I already had fixed it. There should be a new animation for her (EDEA.a I guess...) with the files I send to you (at last I hope I did) which has the hand in front of her like a Japanese receptionist, but needs to be added to the char.lgp and the model loader. I think they wanted to use Tifa's Excuse animation on it but forget to write the script for the models.

Edit:

I already posted that.

Green_goblin · « **Reply #1291 on:** 2015-05-12 20:47:20 »

DLPB, just for your information: http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,19709.0.html

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1292 on:** 2015-05-12 21:14:24 »

Very very good work! Hopefully, general feedback will be a lot more helpful than that latest post.

Green_goblin · « **Reply #1293 on:** 2015-05-12 21:18:03 »

Yes, I didn't like that last post either.

I hope that the PSX fans will do a complete walktrough/testing so we can improve the "Beacause".

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1294 on:** 2015-05-12 21:26:23 »

It's complete nonsense that it's "excessively literal" or that there are mistakes all over. But making those claims means at least backing them up with examples. If there are genuine mistakes, I am more than happy to address them. Also, I am so very tired of people who come along at the end, say "MISTAKE!" and are nowhere to be seen during development. They are very good at crying "mistake" but very poor at doing anything to resolve it, during or even after the project.

White Wind · « **Reply #1295 on:** 2015-05-12 21:52:42 »

His post is disrespectful. The guy sees District and Marin and then after one hour he judges several years of work without having a clue about it all, nor trying to.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1296 on:** 2015-05-12 22:07:50 »

Quote from: White Wind on 2015-05-12 21:52:42

His post is disrespectful. The guy sees District and Marin and then after one hour he judges several years of work without having a clue about it all, nor trying to.

Not to mention, I am quite happy with the canon names being given as a choice. But if that's what he thinks is a "mistake", he is wrong. We'll find out, hopefully, where the issue lies, but I am edging to the "omg changed canon" mentality.

I'm also quite happy with the PSX versions using the canon (as in things that aren't going to be changed, like Sector) as default. It's wrong, of course, and misses the entire point that they really were once districts with names... but Square have pandered to fanbase on that and so many other issues. They've made it clear that those things will never be corrected.

White Wind · « **Reply #1297 on:** 2015-05-12 22:24:18 »

Sure. Personally I'm very happy I can finally call things by their true names, the intended names and words for them. For me, it's loving not what FF7 turned out to be back in 97/98 but what FF7 really is. Thanks again for that :p

I was wondering, will the fixed guard model be included in the Reunion ?
There has been all kinds of quirks (game bugs, programming errors, etc) that have been found in vanilla and then discussed in this thread, I'm just wondering if you include their fix when possible.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1298 on:** 2015-05-12 22:34:36 »

Yeah, I've already added this latest fix. I'll pop a note in the bugtracker soon.

White Wind · « **Reply #1299 on:** 2015-05-13 01:07:38 »

Nice.

And Dan, something bugs me with Midgardsormr.. or should I say with the Midgardsormr ? that's what is bugging me.. do you consider "Midgardsormr" to be the creature's name, or do you call it that as in "the Serpent of Midgard / the Midgard Serpent" ? If the second is the way you see it, then Midgard Sormr might be more appropriate, no ? But if it is the creature's name, then that's it.

But do you think the mythical monster has "Midgard" being part of its name ? For me, Midgard is the mythical city, and the monster is the Sormr of it (even if it is the only one in the world).

mmm I just noticed in the game the city is called Midgar and not Midgard... then Midgard Sormr might look a bit out of place, I don't know.. Midgar Sormr would be inaccurate literally ?

hey I'm not trying to make you change things in your own work (and Luksy's), but more like asking what your educated arguments are and sharing my thoughts in a constructive way, just to see if something comes out of that.