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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3950 on: 2017-11-19 14:47:43 »
Noted. Yeah that's what i posted here, because a saw that you upload it... just did not know if that one works for R05c, because the folder says 1.3.1 but the program shows as 1.2.9.

The thing is that is that no matter if there is just 1 letter/number in the line, still gives an error.  So that's what i'm thinking is something else. Anyways thanks for answering and the mod.

Post your text file in the ts thread and make sure you are using the link I posted near the end of the thread too.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3951 on: 2017-11-21 16:21:23 »
I've just come across the Beacause project. What an amazing feat! I really appreciate the nuanced approach to the translation, not being entirely "literal translation" but not going too far with "adaptation" either. I don't agree with all the decisions I've seen, but I greatly admire the thought and effort that has clearly been put in. Much more than the original translation, it would seem ;)

Coming to this for the first time, I see there's a R04 release for PSX and a R05c for PC. Is there much difference between them? I was hoping to do a replay of FF7 on an emulator on my phone, but if R05 is a significant improvement I may prefer not to. And is it worth holding out for R06 "when it's done" or is that potentially far away?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3952 on: 2017-11-23 10:20:57 »
R05 is a significant improvement, yes.  But R07 will be the finalization and I'd wait for it.  R06 will at least be a very good update of the translation, but it won't be 100% signed off until R07. This is because R07 will have a completed proof check by Shikun, and a final revision. Grammar will massively be improved also.  The dialogue windows will be placed properly.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3953 on: 2017-11-23 13:31:31 »
Question.

I watched the most recent part of that Kotaku translation venture, and it came up that Heidegger's JP name is actually closer to Heidecker. I actually checked just for shits and giggles, but sure enough, even a bad translator translates ハイデッカー (Haidekkā) into High Decker. I'm curious, because the database only links to the Martin Heidegger wikipedia page, but gives no other reasoning for keeping the name Heidegger. What are your thoughts on this?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3954 on: 2017-11-23 16:47:07 »
When RO7 comes out is it okay for me to use its data for Echo-S? Dialogue and such.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3955 on: 2017-11-23 21:38:50 »
Question.

I watched the most recent part of that Kotaku translation venture, and it came up that Heidegger's JP name is actually closer to Heidecker. I actually checked just for shits and giggles, but sure enough, even a bad translator translates ハイデッカー (Haidekkā) into High Decker. I'm curious, because the database only links to the Martin Heidegger wikipedia page, but gives no other reasoning for keeping the name Heidegger. What are your thoughts on this?

It's been discussed numerous times.  Search for it on Qhimm ;)


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When RO7 comes out is it okay for me to use its data for Echo-S? Dialogue and such.

Yeah, as long as full credit is given and a link to the project.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3956 on: 2017-11-24 00:54:11 »
Perfect. Would i just use your flevel with all the fixes or just retype it all? using your seems like stealing but not having the fixes seems pointless.

Your call. Always bets to ask

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3957 on: 2017-11-24 08:43:07 »
It really wouldn't be advisable to do that, since Reunion requires all files really... not just flevel in order to run.  You'd have to make sure the user installs The Reunion first, then replaces with your modded flevel files.  Or it simply won't work right.  Since  you're asking to use our work, I think you should require that step anyway.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3958 on: 2017-11-24 18:03:46 »
I created a channel on discord. Might help to keep in contact. https://discord.gg/CWAq6w9

I've just posted the questions in your Character Overhaul thread.

Thanks for the link. If I have any new questions, I'll try and to remember to check it out first.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3959 on: 2017-12-01 01:23:58 »
Yeah it's about time I start getting my act together.  It's getting embarrassing this mod should have been out by bloody last month or something. It will be out by Christmas.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3960 on: 2017-12-05 04:20:48 »
It'll be a great Christmas present.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3961 on: 2017-12-06 19:05:39 »
Ok, so, before I ask this question I want you to keep in mind that I know fern all about asm and changing code and what is and is not possible.  That being said, what is the feasibility of changing the 8 directional motions to something fully analog like FF8 or FF9?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3962 on: 2017-12-06 19:34:22 »
JWP is better equipped to answer that in regards to DirectX at least.  I'd say it would be a bit of a hassle.  But it's possible.  I can't remember how FF8 and 9 worked.  Did they just make it so the analogs worked for 8 directions?  So you still only got 8 but with the analog sticks if necessary? I take it you need analog input?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3963 on: 2017-12-06 19:43:42 »
I don't need analog input, and I can pretty easily map an analog stick to give me those 8 directions.  I was more interested if it'd be possible to give 360 directional movement instead of 8.  I know ff8 and ff9 used analog in their psx versions but it looks like they were cut to the 8 in their pc ports unfortunately

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3964 on: 2017-12-06 20:32:19 »
Hmm, I think we need for that a xinput plugin first to have the analog sticks correctly recognized. A huge improvement would be to have the movement system from the WM in the field. When you change the direction on the world map the character does turn to that direction instead directly looking in this direction.

A dirty trick to enable 16 direction movement would be a controller mapper tool and a modification of the direction mutator buttons L1 and R1. If they only alter the direction by 22.5° instead of 45° the mapper could tell the game for example that up + R1 is pressed when the stick is at 67.5°, when you move the stick to 45° then up + right is used and at 22.5° right + L1 is used. With the WM movement this would give the illusion of true analog control.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3965 on: 2017-12-06 23:23:06 »
Yeah, even something like 16 directions would be satisfactory.  The hope is to eliminate the locked controls in certain fields where pressing up on the D-Pad actually moves you northwest.  If up always moved you North, and you had more then 8 directions available to you, the fields would feel much more natural


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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3966 on: 2017-12-06 23:45:25 »
Yeah, even something like 16 directions would be satisfactory.  The hope is to eliminate the locked controls in certain fields where pressing up on the D-Pad actually moves you northwest.  If up always moved you North, and you had more then 8 directions available to you, the fields would feel much more natural

In fact, I think it gets worse with this. I'm pretty sure a lot of fields needs to be edited to let it feel intuitive with an analog stick. But that it is not a big deal, since Makoureactor allows for the fields such kind of control directions edit.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3967 on: 2017-12-07 09:31:28 »
It's pretty easy for me to add in analog control for almost full 360 (0-255 instead of 0-360 - but indistinguishable) control of direction.  But as Kal said, the harder work would be making the fields work with those angles.  It's not really worth the effort.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3968 on: 2017-12-07 11:32:04 »
If you can add almost full control, I'll take a crack at the fields.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3969 on: 2017-12-07 11:34:42 »
When the backlog is complete.... if ever.... I'll have a look into it. :)

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3970 on: Yesterday at 02:25:08 »
I checked out how the fields handle movement, and it seems easy enough to change if analog movement is implemented.  Might take hours, but it's easy work.

Anywho, I should be finishing up some odds and ends soon and will be moving on to verifying my 60fps models.  I used reunion the other day, and the menu and whatnot look great clearly running at 60, but how do we add in 60fps animation files and 60fps camera movement?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3971 on: Yesterday at 03:15:57 »
Doesn't get the next update the 60fps animations anyway?
For the movement fix, I'll will definitely helping you out with that. Though, know where I think about it I guess you would be faster alone. Actually every field get the same orientation. If you leave the window open and jump from field to field, this would take roughly an hour.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3972 on: Yesterday at 11:35:12 »
Yeah, the 60fps mod has had an update and now includes interpolation as an option.  The entire way of modding this game has been updated.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3973 on: Yesterday at 12:07:03 »
Don't suppose you have any updated hex lists do you?
I still have those ones from around a year ago but was wondering if you made any adjustments

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3974 on: Yesterday at 13:21:56 »
Nope.  I work differently now too... and those lists were all for menu mainly :)