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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #50 on: 2016-03-24 02:25:12 »
This is basically totally unrelated, but it is my all time favorite Piers Morgan interview relating to American policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQPZ-taYBs

Edit: Does anyone know the gun control policies between trump/clinton/bernie?
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #51 on: 2016-03-24 04:25:56 »
Trump is pro constitution in every way where guns are concerned. He also carries a gun with him at all times - and rightly so in his profession.  Trump wants concealed carry permits in all 50 states.

Bernie wants a lot more restrictions.  I could have guessed that without looking :P

Clinton wants restrictions. But she is not against them as much as Bernie is.
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #52 on: 2016-03-24 04:41:33 »
Makes sense, I would be packing some heat too if I talked as much strawberrys as Trump, especially about Mexican drug cartels.

Have you guys taken one of these: https://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz
It asks your opinions on all the big political issues, then tells you which candidate you actually side with. It is amazing how uninformed a lot of voters are, a lot of people vote just based on which personality they like/how religious they are.

Utah evidently loves Ted Cruz -- I wonder why.

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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #53 on: 2016-03-24 05:08:22 »
Mine came back 86% in favour of Trump, 80% with Cruz, 41% with Killary, and 24% with the commie Sanders.

Issues me and Donald disagree on:

1. I believe in gun control for the mentally ill and criminals.
2. I believe children should be required to be vaccinated.
3. I do not believe those on welfare should be subject to drug tests.
4. I believe people on no fly list should be banned from guns and ammo.
5. I believe the government should fund space travel.  I take this stance because I am well aware of the contributions to science NASA makes as a result of it. I think Donald is thinking of this in the rigid terms of "hand outs". A lot of people fail to see the massive contributions we gain in other areas because of this - especially aviation technology.
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #54 on: 2016-03-24 05:31:52 »
Issues me and Donald disagree on:

1. I believe in gun control for the mentally ill and criminals.
2. I believe children should be required to be vaccinated.
3. I do not believe those on welfare should be subject to drug tests.
4. I believe people on no fly list should be banned from guns and ammo.
5. I believe the government should fund space travel.  I take this stance because I am well aware of the contributions to science NASA makes as a result of it. I think Donald is thinking of this in the rigid terms of "hand outs". A lot of people fail to see the massive contributions we gain in other areas because of this - especially aviation technology.

I would have a really hard time talking to someone who was against all of those things. What kind of society would we have if everyone felt this way?

1. The most dangerous group of people should definitely have guns
2. Everyone has polio at Disney Land
3. Nobody who would genuinely benefit from welfare would get it
4. Definitely give watched criminals guns
5. Space is stupid and expensive, let's not even bother

That kind of world sounds really dumb to me, I'd prob move to Canada

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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #55 on: 2016-03-24 05:46:46 »
I understand his stance on guns - he believes in total freedom (assuming that site is correct) there because of the possibility of corruption by government to curtail freedom.  I disagree with total freedom on that issue.

He's not happy with giving state money away, whereas I am a little more lenient .  Not totally - we agree on many of the other things.  I am against Obamacare in its current form - and Obamacare will only get more socialist.  NHS over here is much the same. A good idea that's being abused and always has been abused.

On other issues, though, I believe he's spot on.  I find Sanders and Hillary's view of allowing thousands of unvetted migrants into the country appalling - the same I do with no true mexican border. 

The one thing I totally disagree with him on is drug tests for those on welfare.  You can't go around testing innocent people because they are poor.  That's a violation too far, even for me  :-D  But that would never be allowed anyway.

But clearly, we will disagree on certain issues with every politician.  86% will do for me :P
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #56 on: 2016-03-24 10:56:42 »
Hmmm I wonder if this kind of tolerance and liberal love-in could have something to do with the problems Belgium experiences.  I wonder.....

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2014:
Two Muslim politicians, who just won municipal elections in Belgium's capital, Brussels, on October 14, have vowed to
implement Islamic Sharia law in Belgium.
The two candidates, Lhoucine Aït Jeddig and Redouane Ahrouch, both from the fledgling Islam Party, won seats in two heavily Islamized municipalities of Brussels, Molenbeek-Saint-Jean and Anderlecht, respectively.
During a post-election press conference in Brussels on October 25, the two future councilors, who will be officially sworn in on December 3, said they regard their election as key to the assertion of the Muslim community in Belgium.
"We are elected Islamists but above all we are Muslims," Ahrouch said. "Islam is compatible with the laws of the Belgian people. As elected Muslims, we embrace the Koran and the tradition of the Prophet Mohammed. We believe Islam is a universal religion. Our presence on the town council will give us the opportunity to express ourselves," said Ahrouch, who refuses to shake hands or make eye contact with females in public.

You see, the issue is this: Islam is not a religion of peace, and it is not going to go away.  As soon as it has enough followers, the host laws are changed - either through the vote or through violence - though usually by both (this has been seen through history numerous times). It all comes down to numbers. If you allow a disgusting ideology to spread - then it will. I think what most on the left forget is that Hitler didn't go away by appeasement or by hope.  He and his conquering ideology had to be fought and, by the time everyone realized that, it claimed around 50 million lives. He was also elected.

It isn't clever or nice or enlightened to tolerate something that is the most intolerant ideology mankind has ever known. Sooner or later, people will wake up to this reality.  But it seems we need a lot more arms and legs to be detached before the penny drops.  Belgium is being conquered at an alarming rate - go and look online at what is going on there.  And in large parts of France too.  Not to mention here in Britain.  Made even worse by Merkel, who sees no issue in inviting over ONE MILLION migrants into her country completely and utterly unvetted.

What kind of crazy lunatics do we have governing us? And when will people start to realize their children's future is at stake?
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #57 on: 2016-03-24 12:46:48 »
Tribalism

You see, the issue is this: Islam is not a religion of peace, and it is not going to go away.  As soon as it has enough followers, the host laws are changed - either through the vote or through violence - though usually by both (this has been seen through history numerous times).

That is unfair and bias; <Insert Group Here> has done it also. Lets just look at how the English have done this to countless cultures and on just about every content of the planet...

Tribalism has no place in our world any longer. We as a species can do better then bickering with one another.
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #58 on: 2016-03-24 12:52:12 »
Sanders has friendlier policies that don't benefit rich people and companies over us peasants most of the time but I don't think that makes him more 'truthful'. It just means he's a chill dood. Trump isn't as chill, but you don't know if he's truthful. Neither have any power to make action on their stances except bash the other guy on tv.

I say he's more truthful because he has a rock solid voting record, he has never changed his stance on any of his major issues, he is not beholden to lobbyists and superpacs, and has no qualms stating things that are true but you never hear a politician say (such as [paraphrased]"I cannot fix all the problems we face, and I probably won't be able to implement all the changes I am pushing for; but at least I can get it started")

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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #59 on: 2016-03-24 17:11:52 »
commie Sanders.
in what world is bernie a communist? I'm assuming you just don't like him because he's a socialist. We all know how evil socialism is, what with our highway system, free public education system, police, firefighter, emergency medical response services, public transportation systems, and our military all being entirely socialist. We should go back to the days of dirt roads and 15% high school graduation rates, right?
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #60 on: 2016-03-24 23:50:27 »
I believe in socialism up to a point.  What I don't believe in is the modern brand of socialism, whereby the workers get shafted at the expense of the lazy, unfit, and irresponsible (and don't take me for a rich person - I live on a council estate and have all my life.  I am as poor as they come.  A lot of my family vote socialist for the very reasons I HATE).  Let's take the UK, since that's got one of the most generous health services in the world.

People flock here from numerous countries simply for the benefits (tax payers money).  "Free" treatment. Then you have the people who have a crap diet, smoke, and don't exercise, who are far more likely to be ill.  Who pays for it?  You got it - the workers.  Many of these same people will be on benefits long term, sometimes sickness benefits for the rest of their lives.  Who pays?  You got it - the workers.  Women who can't be bothered to use contraception?  No problem. Let's just have an abortion and be done with it.  Who pays?  You got it - the workers.  And on and on and on.  Who suffers in this world?  The workers and those who ARE RESPONSIBLE (take someone responsible wanting to go and have treatment, but is put on a huge waiting list [very common here] simply because the NHS is swamped by DUMB and DUMBER).  Leftism is a mental illness. It's always championing criminals and lowlifes over the law abiding and prosperous (which is another reason 30+ people are dead in Belgium).

Modern socialism isn't a good thing.  It's a crap thing.  It's every bit as crap as the opposite uncaring side was.  What we need is a balance.  A socialism where people can't abuse the system (Obamacare is the weasley opposite).  Churchill summed up socialism as the equal sharing of misery - and he wasn't wrong.  It's current manifestation is broken.  Modern socialism may as well be commie, because it shares in some of its primary philosophy.

Also, I wouldn't put Sanders in charge of a bath.  He's every bit as ridiculous and deluded as Merkel. He's a modern day Neville. When I am forced to side with Hillary over him, that's not a good sign. People are laughing at the Republicans and saying how silly Trump is - but nothing is as bad as those two.

5 seconds on Google: http://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/

There are a ton.
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #61 on: 2016-03-25 02:42:39 »
LMAO really the new york post.. if you lived here in the US you would know that they are basicly our "Sun" magazine very few people take them seriously since murdoch bought them.

background on the post...
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/New_York_Post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post#Murdoch_ownership

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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #62 on: 2016-03-25 02:47:27 »
So what they are saying and what everyone else is saying - and the facts they do list are just not relevant because of the messenger and because you don't like the message?  That isn't a good argument.  It's a typical denial response (the absolute worst response is "LOL!  FOX!"  as if that somehow validates an opposite view).  I've read enough of his polices and history to know he's a gone in the head socialist with a lot of commie influences.

None of your post counters anything I linked to.

Frankly, I'm not even sure what I am doing back here.  It's not like anything ever gets solved by offtopic threads, is it?  What does solve it is ignoring a problem until something really bad happens (more correctly, the situation becomes unbearable) and everyone then pulls together to do something about it.  My way would be quick and relatively painless.  But the majority seem to have a kick for long, drawn out, and deadly.

So fun days.  ;D
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #63 on: 2016-03-25 16:20:10 »
OK, I've had very few posts here on this forum, but been lurking here and this thread for many years now.

DLPB, you're not alone. I remember how ever since I settled back in Western Europe (about 10 years ago) I was taught all of this about "human rights", "multiculturalism is nothing new", "tolerance" and similar claptrap, but off course that narrative's been around for longer. The problem is that we're taught about freedom of press, but there's virtually none: nearly the entirety of our press is controlled by a few corporations with very similar views that continue to affirm the very policies that are bringing ruin to the world. The link is about the United States, but USA's been controlling Europe since 1945 and (I'm firmly convinced) is behind the creation of EEC (later EU). No offense to Americans, this is just about the American government and other institutions on its soil that steer the policy of the continent.

Non-conformist voices are largely drowned in this sea of disinformation that preaches things that don't correspond to reality: "multiculturalism is nothing new", first of all, state-sponsored mass immigration IS new, most of Western and Northern Europe began it in 1960s and 1970s without any referendum or popular vote (in Britain it began as early as 1948). At most the parliaments approved it (like Sweden in 1975), but again, almost all politicians represent the upper class of society and break promises so regularly after getting elected, no one can honestly say they voice the opinion of the larger population. What was the next devious step to make it somehow look legitimate and natural? Buy up and beat into submission/ruin the editorials that noticed and criticized the policy. And that's where almost all of the population got its "news" from. Here we like to look down and criticize Russia, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and other dictatorships in North Africa and Middle-East about how they repress dissenting thoughts, yet somehow we naively assumed this wasn't happening in the "free world". Popular opinion in Europe has always been opposed to mass immigration, but it was never given the due air time and all we ever saw was occasional angry rebuttals on radio, dailies and TV about how "ignorant", "racist" and "fascist" those opposed to this undemocratic policy were. And even when such opinions were seen, they had no effect on the governments, which even promised to curb it once elected, but surprise, surprise! scaled it up once in power.

Then, after immigrants from outside Europe gathered sizable numbers, the press started parading about how "wonderful" and "multicultural" our countries had become. Feature films, programs and documentaries started appearing and showing their increased presence in the society. The entire education from cradle to grave was written by people that strictly adhered to this new ideology. The newer generations gradually stuck more and more to the leftist ideology of the 60s sexual revolution (again, supported by the press) and were born into a more and more advanced state of "multiculturalism", which is where the perception of it being "natural" comes from. They were led through an entire education and environment where all of these myths were affirmed, not knowing about reality in the past and/or being conditioned to be disgusted at it. Crimes and problems that arose because of this development were covered up, especially that of Islam in Europe. off course, the Left also pushed the narrative of how bad colonialism was (which is true to some extent), while refusing to acknowledge the good aspects of it, along with claiming that "everyone is mixed", which created guilt in the former colonial nations and also tried to validate mass immigration by saying "we're all mixed anyway, so why are you racists somehow against it now?". Leftists claimed that they were merely "telling the vanquished's side of the story", which is fine enough, but then proceeded to make it the only acceptable one! Meaning, they simply reversed the situation. This stuff is, btw, what I hear in my university, which does not tolerate counter-arguments (I also know it's the case in most others). It's especially bad when students are frequently just as, if not even more intolerant of them than the teachers. Basically, aside from probably Japan, entire societies are taught about how evil their ancestors were, while failing to teach about the invasions and enslavement of Europeans by Huns, Moors, Tartars, Turks and the Barbary Pirates, as well as things like the colonization of Africa by Arabs prior to the Europeans setting foot there. I'm all for the negative aspects about us being brought up, it's good for self-improvement as well, but at least be consistent and apply it to everyone!

I've only told here a small fraction of how deep the rabbit hole is (I could continue for dozens of times the amount I wrote here), but in short, our entire societies are constructed to continue this dire situation further and further. I said after the Paris attacks (which themselves followed the January 2015 shooting and others before) that these terrorist attacks would increase in number, and sure enough, the bloodbath in Brussels proved me right. And off course, the entire media is silent, or in denial about the link to Islamic terrorism and the ongoing catastrophe of the millions of illegals and Muslims (comparatively few are refugees, yet another of the media lies) flooding into Europe, which sparked a vast increase in crime. What kind of free press is this?!?! Why are mass demonstrations all over Europe against this madness covered up, while those in favor of it get wide coverage? Why is Merkel putting in prison Germans that criticize this insanity??? One doesn't have to be intelligent to predict this is going to continue to get worse. One just needs to have access to different sources of information, and that's what the majority of the population lacks. Hence the total denial of reality from so many people.

Now about the presidential elections, I see all this fear-mongering about Trump, but echoing DLPB's sentiment, even acknowledging that he's not perfect, being the only likely anti-PC candidate in the elections, that automatically makes him better than the others. Also, what is wrong about stopping illegal immigrants from Mexico and being in a partnership, rather than constant antagonism against Russia? Political correctness is the disease of our societies that prevents honest discussion and constructive measures to be proposed, only allowing room for those points of view that perpetuate the calamity, while silencing a priori those against as "hateful" and "unworthy". I honestly don't see Donald Trump changing that much even if he's elected, and he may well also break his promises in that case. Heck, he may even turn out to be catastrophic as strawberries. Still, other candidates look even worse. He's at worst the lesser evil right now. Literally the only reason there is this entire attack by the Western press on him is because he's resolute and doesn't accept their prejudiced view of how the world really is.

P.S: I'll try putting posts like these in a more appropriate thread, but I needed to respond to DLPB's thoughts here just this once. This kind of stuff affects everyone, I really wish humanity could progress, but it's difficult with this kind of people ruling us...

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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #64 on: 2016-03-26 11:00:19 »
Ben Carson said it right - it's all to make sure the liberal elite cling to power.  They're desperate not to lose it. It suits their purpose to bring in tons of immigrants and other welfare dependents - because those people later vote for them - and not for anyone on the right.  The last thing they want getting in their way is the truth :P

And you can only ignore the truth for so long. It becomes impossible to ignore when the situation is obvious to everyone - and people start rebelling against the false narrative.

I also hope that Trump is made president and actually does a lot of what he claims he will. I'd have to believe that someone who is this outspoken and non-PC actually has the desire to make those things happen. Someone who didn't would do what the rest do - ignore. And if he was just a load of hot air, the elite wouldn't be running around in desperation to stop him. They're terrified.

Also, thanks for the post.  Not because it agrees with me - but because you put a lot of effort into it. The saddest indictment of the human race is that we allowed all this to happen.  Well, not "we" as in me and you - but the majority - who are easily led by the media and their upbringing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0FpDCZdvHk

Yes, "it's fox" omg omg.  It's about the only place you can see a man like Robert Spencer wiping the floor with these guys.  This Imam is avoiding the issue because he knows the truth.  And it's frightening that 80% of mosques are teaching this crap  and that this Imam is the kind of person teaching people anything.  Although, he is absolutely spot on about Saudi - which Spencer agrees is a huge issue (see his speeches online).
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #65 on: 2016-03-26 16:58:30 »
I agree with tarts.
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Re: Trump & Clinton supporters: What is wrong with you?
« Reply #66 on: 2016-03-27 02:18:25 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3d0LOIMmQQ
I'll leave this dicussion with this.

This man speaks more sense in the first 10 minutes alone than any other American politician out there.  He makes Obama look like he is - a weak and foolish appeaser.