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Title: Sorry Again
Post by: Another Chance 2 on 2011-09-05 20:23:44
I feel like I'm being ignored, how many times must I register? I don't want to be banned anymore, everyone makes mistakes right? How many times must I say sorry??  :cry:

oh and in response to Vgr, sorry about not being able to edit my post, when I came back to my PC the account was already banned  :|
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Vgr on 2011-09-05 20:47:36
The only advice I can give you is to try and lay low for a while.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-09-05 20:52:14
You are well aware that what you did before was against the rules before you posted it. Obesebear gave you a just punishment. Feel free to petition your case to him. As it stands right now your ban is not permanent, but if you continue to make duplicate accounts it will be. I am going to leave this account active for now so you can discuss this with obesebear, after which he will remove this account as well. Using this acount for anything other then contacting obesebear will result in its removal and a permanent ban.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: obesebear on 2011-09-06 16:24:02
Well let's take a vote on it.  I am clearly biased since you not only broke the rules here, but simultaneously broke the rules of my forum.  So my vote is a permanent ban for intentionally breaking the rules.  But let's try and give you a fair shake.

Who here thinks it is forgivable to release the hard work others have done when those others have explicitly said their work is non-distributable under any circumstances?

Who here thinks it is forgivable for someone to knowingly release that work on another site (qhimm.com) which has made it abundantly clear that that type of work is illegal and not allowed?

Now, for those of you still saying it's forgivable.  Is it still forgivable for an individual to steal others work, release it to the public completely against the authors' consent, release it in a place it is deemed illegal, AND do all of this under an alternate account so you can try to pretend it wasn't really you who did these things.  Oh, and then try to change your email to a disposable email to try and further hide who you really are.

It seems quite obvious to me you knew full well what you were doing.  Showing complete disrespect not only of the rules here (and my site) but also trying to fool the qhimm.com staff so you could get away with it.

My vote is a permanent ban no questions asked.  But if enough people think your actions are forgivable, then so be it.   I will be counting up the posts at the end of the week.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2011-09-06 16:54:48
Stupidity does not make you ineligible for capital punishment

on a related note, who the heck is this guy? I can conclude what he did from this topic but was he actually a member here under another nick?
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: DLPB_ on 2011-09-06 17:12:22
I dunno this is a tough one but I think 6 month ban would suffice.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-09-06 18:28:02
He was a member here under another name.

As for my opinion he should receive no less punishment then Darkfang. If I remember correctly he was banned for 1 year before being allowed to return. Ultimately it was Obesebear that gave the ban and it was also content stole from his forum so he has the final decision.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2011-09-06 18:51:15
As a general rule, people who break the rules do not learn from their errors. ever. Despite what society makes you think, they will always try to do it again just be a LOT more cautious in not getting caught.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2011-09-06 19:05:05
Do it once, shame on you, do it twice, GTFO and don't come back.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Vgr on 2011-09-06 21:55:44
People can learn from their mistakes, and we can let them a chance, but if it happens more than once, even twice, then no. Enough. Is. Enough.

I vote for a 18-months ban.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: DarkFang on 2011-09-06 23:24:08
He was a member here under another name.

As for my opinion he should receive no less punishment then Darkfang. If I remember correctly he was banned for 1 year before being allowed to return. Ultimately it was Obesebear that gave the ban and it was also content stole from his forum so he has the final decision.

A year? Jeez, didn't think it was that long. Mine was a perm at first and it would've stayed if I didn't talk to that one guy (I forget who it was).

Given the information in the thread, it seems like you posted something that wasn't allowed more than once on a different account and then tried to cover it up, which obviously failed. The first rule you broke was having more than one account. The next would be posting illegal things and things (clearly stated by the author) that shouldn't be released to the public. You also knew about all of these rules, why else would you do it on an alternative account? And then after being told not to post anywhere else but here, you disregard that instruction and do so anyways.

I'd say 12 months, minimum.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-09-06 23:49:27
You talked to me.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Roxas on 2011-09-07 00:12:32
Given the rules he broke of not just one but two sites, the duplicate accounts, and disregarding the warning that he was not to post elsewhere with this account.... I would say a full ban would fit the bill. No time period, just a total ban.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2011-09-07 04:23:23
Wait, we actually have a rule against multiple accounts?
I mean, why would you even NEED or WANT multiple accounts here. Qhimm isn't exactly moving at 4chan speeds.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: vaccine.exe on 2011-09-07 07:30:26
Im gonna hijack this topic for one question because it seem like the right spot to do it:

Currently im DLing bootleg and all the mod files.... dam my third world internet speeds. I have a friend who is an avid FF fan he's played all FF's with near perfect saves on all the greats like 7, 8, 9, 10, 10.2 and is currently working on 12. Im gonna show him my modded version of FFVII when im done and I think he will really like it. My question is this:

After I have directed him to this site, to save him time having to DL all the files is it ok to chuck it all on a couple of discs and give it to him that way? Is this classed as "distribution"?

regards

vaccine.exe
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-09-07 10:49:32
I think this would be seen as being ok as all the files you will be giving him are allowed here. What this member did was take others work from another site and distributed it here. Which was against the rules at the other site and the models are not allowed here either because they are from other games.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: PitBrat on 2011-09-07 15:33:55
You might want to wait for Bootleg 0033.
There are a couple bugs in 0032 that can prevent it from installing on some systems.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: msifreakster on 2011-09-07 20:23:03
I think Obesebear spelled it out pretty well. There was wrong doing and an attempt to cover it up. I would have been a little forgiving if their wasn't an attempt to cover.  I feel a minimum 12 month ban would be acceptable if not a perm ban. I don't see any room for compromise with the evidence we have been given.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: obesebear on 2011-09-12 01:13:14
Well a year it is.  But since you're already back with a new username and disposable email, I guess it doesn't really matter does it?  You're just so sneaky.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-09-12 01:40:00
Well so much for giving you a fair chance. Since you decided to make another account anyways I am adding another year to your ban. I am also putting new accounts on administrator approval until further notice.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2011-09-12 05:44:03
This thread is extremely amusing
It's funny how some people think just changing your IP and email is gonna hide who you are
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: RecycleYourself on 2011-09-13 20:25:53
1 question, how is this guy keep making account? And how do you know accounts are him?
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: obesebear on 2011-09-14 00:59:21
1 question, how is this guy keep making account? And how do you know accounts are him?
Because you make it so obvious.  Goodbye again.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Vgr on 2011-09-14 01:01:50
Man you serious??? I will never forgive you that's for sure.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: DarkFang on 2011-09-14 01:05:05
Pretty sure that's another year. What was his original name anyways?
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Vgr on 2011-09-14 01:05:47
Dark Matt right?
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: obesebear on 2011-09-14 01:51:40
Originally it was MXSter, he changed that one to Sauntam, then to Matt2Tees.  All of which are just fine.  The problem came from his duplicate account machinimatt, and from there he's added all sorts of other stupid ones.  Another Chance, Another Chance 2, Tamtocs, RecycleYourself.


I have to give it to him, he's trying pretty hard to be sneaky, it's just not quite good enough.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Prince Lex on 2011-09-14 03:06:21
He must be having a right little tantrum that he keeps getting caught. Reminds me of other members that just would not go away.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Kemlin on 2011-09-14 06:12:17
This topic = Lulz.

So how many years is MXSter banned for, now? 3-4?
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-09-14 13:38:41
His ban is now permanent. Three chances is more then enough in my opinion.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2011-09-14 16:53:25
Originally it was MXSter, he changed that one to Sauntam, then to Matt2Tees.  All of which are just fine.  The problem came from his duplicate account machinimatt, and from there he's added all sorts of other stupid ones.  Another Chance, Another Chance 2, Tamtocs, RecycleYourself.


I have to give it to him, he's trying pretty hard to be sneaky, it's just not quite good enough.

There should be some sort of filter that banned people can still post but their posts automatically turn in "LOLBUTTSLOL"
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Prince Lex on 2011-09-16 17:44:40
I have an idea.

Similar to SonicRetro, why don't we put all new members into a validation subforum (not able to post on the main boards, and only viewable by mods and admin). They would basically have to write a few coherent paragraphs in order to be allowed to post, perhaps answering a few questions, i.e:

Why do you want to join the forum?

What do you think you would add to the community?

About you?

That kind of thing. This could be percieved as a very bad idea, but it would certainly weed out idiots that are supposed to be banned, it would weed out bots, and just keep the general idiots out. It doesn't have to be strict or based around how likeable the person seems in their post, just a kind of "idiot filter".
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Vgr on 2011-09-16 18:48:42
I guess that the forum would have to be view-able from anyone and that anyone can post. The rank for these members would be something different from even "Newbie" no matter the number of post. I think something like "New Member" would fit good for these new members.

BTW, is there an IP ban function for SMF?
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Prince Lex on 2011-09-16 19:15:14
Well I know the members on SonicRetro can't view the Validation subforum, but I don't know if they'd be able to implement that here.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-09-16 19:43:41
Those are all doable ideas, and might be something to consider other then me checking ip addresses and manually approving accounts.
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: dkma841 on 2011-09-16 20:21:21
Sorry if this topic reavhed its end but i was wondering didnt that guy make help a mod here before when i was checking some old ass threads i remember his name mxster not the others i think it was chibi reconstruction site is that right?
Nothing important just wondering
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Prince Lex on 2011-09-16 20:42:00
Those are all doable ideas, and might be something to consider other then me checking ip addresses and manually approving accounts.

I really think it would save you a lot of grief in the long run, and filter out the people that join to ask for things that we don't support (pirated versions, ripped models) as well as keeping away all the "plz i nd hlp" which I'm sure grates on the patience of more people than just me.

I can't really see a downside to this ^_^
Title: Re: Sorry Again
Post by: Kemlin on 2011-09-17 06:01:23
Validation is a pretty good idea, I agree. Instruct the applicant, in the rules, to include an obscure/archaic/uncommon word in their explanation of why they want to be a member. "Forsooth", "Parched" or similar - This is to act like a filter. If they won't bother reading the rules and including the word...why do you want to deal with them when they're on the forums?

Slip the word in the middle somewhere, and occasionally edit the rules to include a new word to trip up people attempting to sneak back in after they were banned.