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Off-topic forums => Completely Unrelated => Topic started by: *:.Griever.:* on 2008-05-11 10:28:31
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Does this amuse anyone else?
You know the situation, one person makes a comment, someone doesn't agree, then all hell breaks loose and new threads are started, back and forward bickering like an online married couple.
I like it when these things happen, as the person who started the argument, and the person arguing back, IMO are absoloute legends, they keep me reading these forums when things are slow, and even if it's busy, it gives me a laugh.
See the El Ammo and Xelane threads for a perfect example :-D
Keep at it guys, I'm sure I'm not the only one following the online soap opera we got going on here. ;-)
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Actually i didn't count on El Ammo making a thread just to flame me and i pretty much want the thread to be closed since all he's going to do is ramble on and on and on about how he is allegedly superior to everyone else in the world.
Now heres the kicker, you can count on El Ammo seeing this post or thread for that manner then probably jump in with something to insult either me or both of us.
Personaly i'm over his bull **** rantings which is all that ever comes out of his mouth even if he isn't even talking to anyone.
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If El Ammo has a go at me, I'm going to do the same as I do when he does it to anyone else, I'm going to read it with a massive smile on my face, because personally, I find some of his posts quite hilarious. :-D
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You have a pretty positive attitude. That will get you far in life since it's a good quality to be able to handle people mocking you with a smile on your face :-D
I find his rantings funny too but after awhile it gets old :|
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I dunno I'm rather easily amused, and don't mind being made fun off. All part of joining a forum.
There's always gonna be people that make fun of other people, hell I've done it myself.
No matter how long someone insults me, I laugh at them usually out of pity.
However in El Ammo's case, I laugh because I find his posts genuinely amusing.
He makes me LoL. :lol:
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It's funny that no matter who you are there will always still be someone out there who doesn't like you and that has NO exceptions for anyone in the world.
actualy it's sad....i wonder what made jari/El Phanny Bandito such a prick.
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Here's my thought process on the whole "flaming" issue:
*Opens up "Real Life Believes" topic*
"What's the arguing all about?"
"Oh great... Religion"
"Respect? WTF it's a forum who cares?"
"What does sex have to do with the lifestream?"
*Opens up "ATTN: Xelane" topic*
"What does any of this have to do with RPGs?"
"Here we go again...."
"Why am I wasting my time reading this crap?"
*Goes to "Game Tweaking" forum*
"Ah great, that crap is spilling over here, too?"
I personally don't care who has issues with who, but so everyone knows, anyone coming in that's never been here before is going to think a lot less of the place when people are bitching and moaning all across the forum. People who might have coding talent or otherwise and could contribute to the major projects happening are going to see this and say to themselves "Great, another immature Final Fantasy forum" then leave. This is the first and only Final Fantasy related forum I've ever signed up for because for once I saw a mature user base. Hopefully this doesn't continue and cause some butterfly effect leading to less seriousness with the projects here, but I guess if it does whatever. Just another FF forum.
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I agree, but I do however still think this forum has the best modders for FF games that I have personally came across, and I only joined after getting a link off of I think, the Ficadula site. I posted with a question as my first post. Got an imediate, helpfull response, and have been here ever since.
I think that if a few people are arguing all across the forums, that shouldn't detract someone from joining. Look at it this way, the people that want to join for the modding side, are going to jump straight into the technical forums, and tweaking forums, where I beileve there has been no such arguing.
Anyway, the point is, the arguing taking place in the completely unrelated forum (or at least SHOULD be taking place there) is good for a little laugh when your not on your best of days. If you want the serious, helpful side of the forums, go to tech or tweaking. :-)
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Griever,
It hasn't gotten to the point I'm upset or anything, but it was pretty stupid seeing the whole thing spill over into the Game Tweaking forum. Maybe it's elsewhere too, I was looking at new posts in the Cloud Model topic that's on top right now and noticed it. I still think it's head and shoulders about the alternatives right now and it's clearly the definitive mod/patch/support site for FF7 and FF8.
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Yeah I know, what I was saying, sorry if I worded it wrong :P was just that these types of conversations would be fine on a peace lovers forum, as long as it's kept in a place such as Completely Unrelated, therefor not upsetting anyone wanting serious help, or discussing serious topics in other threads. ;-)
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well... anyway the most important thing in life is: WOMEN!!! XD XD XD and... well... i think you got the point XD
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? lol I think we all know what you're getting at.
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If El Ammo has a go at me, I'm going to do the same as I do when he does it to anyone else, I'm going to read it with a massive smile on my face, because personally, I find some of his posts quite hilarious.
I had an argument with a person named jari on the irc chat and even caught him on a few lies, but haven't had the pleasure of meeting him on the forums. Is jari El Ammo?
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As far as I'm aware, yes, Jari is El Ammo.
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I had an argument with a person named jari on the irc chat and even caught him on a few lies, but haven't had the pleasure of meeting him on the forums. Is jari El Ammo?
So, you have no problems with me posting the log, I assume? Actually, I don't care. You call me a liar, I'm going to do whatever I want with you.
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And it began a new! :D
Forum flaming is rather fun for third-party people;D
But you can sum it all up with "keep stating the obvious"
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Griever, however stupid the arguments of others may be, I don't think starting a topic to talk about how amusing said arguments are is going to help matters. It's nice that you feel that way, but the involved parties are going to feel the need to justify their involvement in this thread, and now you're using it to talk about another member. Do you expect him not to reply to that?
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Griever, however stupid the arguments of others may be, I don't think starting a topic to talk about how amusing said arguments are is going to help matters.
Okay, first off, I created this because I wanted to, if there was any offence to be caused, I'm sure a moderator would have shut it down. So, that's that.
Second.......
the involved parties are going to feel the need to justify their involvement in this thread
Nobody needs to reply to this, if they didn't want to reply, they would have had a quick look, then left well alone.
Third.....
and now you're using it to talk about another member. Do you expect him not to reply to that?
I'm not talking to anyone in particular, hell if someone wants to take it as I'm talking to them, then they can be my guest. I started it because it was something I felt like saying. Hence why it's the Completely unrelated forum.
And just out of curiosity, prey tell, who is this other member I'm talking about? The Xelane/El Ammo thing was an EXAMPLE. Not what this was started over. And if your talking about what I wrote in another thread about Fenrir, then bleh. Because I said to him, I wasn't flaming him, or being nasty, I was simply wondering something, and asked, albeit in more than one thread.
Anything else?
;-)
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I had an argument with a person named jari on the irc chat and even caught him on a few lies, but haven't had the pleasure of meeting him on the forums. Is jari El Ammo?
So, you have no problems with me posting the log, I assume? Actually, I don't care. You call me a liar, I'm going to do whatever I want with you.
I'm curious..
Post away!
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Ask and ye shall receive.
Logs have been edited only to remove the identifying information that belongs to people other than me. I do not really care if you know my IP address.
(18:12:10) kimchiacid [[email protected]] entered the room.
(18:12:24) kimchiacid: hi
(18:12:51) kimchiacid: im a begginner in proggramming and i need some help
(18:13:48) kimchiacid: im trying to remove the buster sword from the modded world map model
(18:14:25) kimchiacid: i was able to do it on the modded field model because someone posted what code mess with and what to change it to
(18:15:02) kimchiacid: but for the woeld map even if i have the file open as a txt file in front of me and i know what code to change
(18:15:07) kimchiacid: i don't know what to change it to
(18:15:25) kimchiacid: can someone help with that?
(18:16:32) Jari [[email protected]] entered the room.
(18:17:34) kimchiacid: hi
(18:17:56) Jari: Hey
(18:19:10) kimchiacid: do you know anything about bbe.hcr?
(18:19:21) kimchiacid: bbe.hrc*
(18:19:40) kimchiacid: its a file extracted from world_us.lgp
(18:19:50) kimchiacid: i need help editing it
(18:20:13) Jari: Sorry, nope. :/
(18:20:22) kimchiacid: hmm
(18:20:23) kimchiacid: ok
(18:20:42) kimchiacid: i guess ill wait for one of the admins to read it then
(18:21:24) kimchiacid: qhimm?
(18:23:40) Qhimm|work: I think you're better off asking at the forums for assistance, since I'm unfortunately not active in this kind of work any longer. And few of the people who frequent this chatroom are involved in any technical aspects of FF7 at all.
(18:24:53) Jari: Wait... kimchiacid, you are idiot who saw it fit to post in an announcement thread?
(18:25:19) Jari: And hate to break it to you, but your classes were wrong.
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(18:34:03) kimchiacid: ?
(18:34:08) kimchiacid: emulators?
(18:35:36) kimchiacid: what i was taught was current laws regarding international and national copywrite infringement
(18:35:59) kimchiacid: but laws do change all the time
(18:36:18) Jari: Everything - repeat after me - EVERYTHING - made in a country that abides by the Berne convention are protected by copyrights. You do not have to do anything to protect it - it's very much automatical.
(18:36:51) kimchiacid: you are half correct
(18:37:05) kimchiacid: everything created automatically has a copywrite
(18:37:12) kimchiacid: but its not federally protected
(18:37:28) kimchiacid: until you get it protected
(18:37:45) kimchiacid: thenyou gotta pay fees ever so often
(18:37:55) Jari: Bullshit!
(18:38:01) kimchiacid: lol
(18:38:03) Jari: There is no such thing as fees for copyright.
(18:38:08) kimchiacid: yes
(18:38:11) kimchiacid: your right
(18:38:16) kimchiacid: not for copyright
(18:38:21) kimchiacid: but for protection
(18:38:26) Jari: There are fees to register and uphold trademarks though, but that is entirely different thing.
(18:38:32) kimchiacid: yes
(18:38:35) kimchiacid: als correct
(18:38:46) Jari: Oh Jesus on a pogostick, were you born that stupid, or did you hit your head recently?
(18:38:52) kimchiacid: lol
(18:39:03) kimchiacid: you must be very good at teaching people
(18:39:05) kimchiacid: you know that?
(18:39:08) Jari: Feel free to provide proof of the said fees. ASAP.
(18:39:21) kimchiacid: likewise?
(18:39:30) kimchiacid: for the pogostick remark ofcourse
(18:39:33) kimchiacid: lol
(18:39:40) Jari: Considering that teaching is one of the things I do for living - I'd hope so.
(18:40:34) kimchiacid: wow
(18:40:38) kimchiacid: you must have tenure then
(18:41:53) kimchiacid: but yes using pogostick jesus and birth defects all in one sentence does deserve some credit
(18:42:22) Jari: Freelancer. But I'm waiting for your proof.
(18:42:41) kimchiacid: oh and by the way i was talking about intellectuall property
(18:42:48) kimchiacid: which cover multiple things
(18:43:06) Jari: Yes?
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(18:43:32) kimchiacid: and if you are looking at a company than they would have to renew their ownership of it ever 70 years or so
(18:43:55) kimchiacid: but i think thier was a recent change in that law
(18:44:09) kimchiacid: i think it was increased to 90 if im not mistaken
(18:44:43) Jari: And no, you do not "renew" your ownership either.
(18:45:05) Jari: When it's gone, it's gone. Disney just managed to pressure the government into making the period longer.
(18:45:25) kimchiacid: im sorry
(18:45:28) kimchiacid: i meant rights
(18:45:53) Jari: Well, you don't renew any "rights" either.
(18:46:06) kimchiacid: well you can sell them
(18:46:09) kimchiacid: you can buy them
(18:46:13) kimchiacid: you can claim them
(18:46:25) kimchiacid: and you can lose them
(18:46:35) kimchiacid: but it all takes paperwork
(18:47:23) Jari: No. You can't lose them. In some countries you can't even sell or buy *all* of them, with works of art the artists always retains certain control over how his or her piece is presented.
(18:47:32) kimchiacid: and processing isn't exactly free
(18:47:47) kimchiacid: yes that is correct
(18:47:54) kimchiacid: but are we talking about those countries?
(18:47:58) ye-roon: more people
(18:48:01) ye-roon: zomg
(18:48:11) Jari: How about you producing the proof of the said fees?
(18:48:29) kimchiacid: you've never heard of processing charges?
(18:48:39) Jari: Namely the fee for retaining the federal protection.
(18:48:49) kimchiacid: tehres the original fee
(18:49:04) Jari: PROOF, ASSHAT, CAN YOU FIND IT?
(18:49:33) kimchiacid: you can federally mail it to yourself, which is the most common method
(18:49:50) kimchiacid: and that costs min $50
(18:50:01) kimchiacid: at least last i went to a post office
(18:50:08) kimchiacid: it could be more though
(18:50:27) kimchiacid: and whats an asshat?
(18:50:42) Jari: You are one. You are talking out of your ass, without a proof of any kind.
(18:50:52) kimchiacid: hmm
(18:51:16) kimchiacid: well i would usually same something like " the only as here is.."
(18:51:24) kimchiacid: but your a civil servant
(18:51:31) kimchiacid: so i will restrain myself
(18:51:54) Jari: You don't have. You have to bring me some proof, though.
(18:52:00) Jari: *have to.*
(18:52:03) kimchiacid: i already have
(18:52:38) Jari: No, you haven't. You have presented all kinds of arguments. With no proof.
(18:52:46) Jari: Do you even know what proof means?
(18:52:51) kimchiacid: ok
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(18:53:02) kimchiacid: we both know that there are processing charges
(18:53:05) kimchiacid: right?
(18:53:12) kimchiacid: and mailing fees right?
(18:53:19) kimchiacid: those should be givens
(18:53:32) Jari: No, I do not. I for one do not live in the US.
(18:53:37) kimchiacid: ok
(18:53:46) kimchiacid: well im sorry
(18:54:03) kimchiacid: there are federal charges those things
(18:54:06) kimchiacid: if you want
(18:54:10) Jari: But the fee I'm really interested in - and you are trying to avoid finding proof for - is the fee for copyright protection. So, let's see the proof.
(18:54:17) kimchiacid: i can send you a link to a site with the prices
(18:54:37) Jari: Oh, by all means post the link here.
(18:54:48) kimchiacid: i don't mean to offend, but do you know what a fee is?
(18:55:03) Jari: I have this faint idea.
(18:55:24) kimchiacid: its an amount owed from party to another
(18:55:46) kimchiacid: thats it!
(18:55:48) Jari: But do you know what sarcasm means?
(18:56:23) kimchiacid: i have this faint idea.
(18:56:38) Jari: Seems bit too faint.
(18:56:49) kimchiacid: it seems so
(18:56:57) Jari: Oh yes. Link please.
(18:57:03) kimchiacid: oh ok
(18:57:11) kimchiacid: mailing charges coming up
(19:01:28) kimchiacid: http://www.usps.com/prices/welcome.htm
(19:01:39) kimchiacid: price for first class international
(19:02:09) kimchiacid: http://www.usps.com/international/intlspecialservices.htm#H1
(19:02:16) kimchiacid: ifo for registered mail
(19:02:21) Jari: Yes?
(19:02:33) Jari: And how exactly are these related to paying for copyright protection?
(19:02:50) kimchiacid: now what this does is when you mail a package to your self in the states
(19:03:32) kimchiacid: there is federal proof that the creation of the item would precede anyone elses creation by linking it to your identity
(19:04:14) Jari: Oh dear God...
(19:04:23) kimchiacid: and obviously there would be a date of sender and date of arrival
(19:04:36) kimchiacid: this is the most common practice
(19:04:44) Jari: And how exactly are these related to paying for copyright protection?
(19:04:55) kimchiacid: are you serious?
(19:05:17) Jari: VERY MUCH SO.
(19:05:19) kimchiacid: that is copyright protection
(19:05:42) kimchiacid: thats is the party protection his/her intellectual property
(19:05:50) kimchiacid: protecting*
(19:06:54) Jari: ...okay. You sure got me there. I thought that this was just mailing shit to myself.
(19:07:08) kimchiacid: lol
(19:07:34) kimchiacid: thats just the most common method
(19:07:50) kimchiacid: btw
(19:07:53) kimchiacid: what do you teach
(19:09:21) Jari: Dude, you have no - absolutely NO - idea what you are talking about.
(19:09:56) Jari: IT-related stuff, mostly to end users. Depends on what the client needs me to teach.
(19:11:06) kimchiacid: wow sounds hord
(19:11:10) kimchiacid: hard*
(19:11:29) kimchiacid: im in the programming sect
(19:11:56) kimchiacid: but im not too versed in the languages yet though
(19:13:06) kimchiacid: though i have taken my fair share of computer and business ethics courses
(19:14:26) kimchiacid: but i also do hope for the sake of your clients that you don't usually talk the way you type
(19:15:04) kimchiacid: because it makes it quite difficult to learn
(19:15:16) kimchiacid: and in the end isn't that all that matters?
(19:17:22) kimchiacid: guess not
(19:19:31) kimchiacid: are you by any chance griever?
(19:20:19) Jari: No, I'm bored. With you, that is.
(19:20:42) kimchiacid: ok
(19:20:59) kimchiacid: im glad that i wasn't boring up until now
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...and as you can see, the log was not actually saved by me, but that shouldn't matter.
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How dare ye accuse me of being Jari? :-O
There's no way I could ever replicate the scathing hilarity of an El Ammo/Jari post.
Monday madness!! Haven't you figured that out yet?!?
When I'm sarcastic, it's blatant....although, all sarcasm should be blatant to smart people....but.....
Anyway, no Jari isn't me, unfortunately :-P
I lol'd at that whole conversation, I thought by protection rights he was going on about copyright protection, not glorified postal insurance. :lol:
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make that glorified federal postal insurance and he was talking about possible fees being paid for copyrights(if it was just copyrights it probably have never ever ended) :-) oh and sorry for thinking that was you griever(you were the the first person to talk to me in the forum and the channel, so I went out on a limb, but now its severed). should have known better, but im glad you enjoyed it :-D Oh and I apologize, jari, for assuming you were in the US and knew things about it since you knew things like that Disney incident, but Disney is an international company, so i assumed wrong. But like I said copyrights and copyright protection (registration, proof in a court of law, etc..) are not the same :-P
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No severed limbs here.
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make that glorified federal postal insurance and he was talking about possible fees being paid for copyrights(if it was just copyrights it probably have never ever ended) :-) oh and sorry for thinking that was you griever(you were the the first person to talk to me in the forum and the channel, so I went out on a limb, but now its severed). should have known better, but im glad you enjoyed it :-D Oh and I apologize, jari, for assuming you were in the US and knew things about it since you knew things like that Disney incident, but Disney is an international company, so i assumed wrong. But like I said copyrights and copyright protection (registration, proof in a court of law, etc..) are not the same :-P
Do tell me. How do you manage to be stupider than you look?
It is an achievement that seems impossible, yet you manage somehow.
After you have managed that, feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.
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how do you know what I look like? :?
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Anything else?
Yeah. Fries.
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Awesome, I think that's the best joke I've ever heard in my 21 years.
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how do you know what I look like? :?
After you have managed that, feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.
feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.
provide the proof
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how do you know what I look like? :?
After you have managed that, feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.
feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.
provide the proof
If I had to guess I would say your a blonde?
So Jari, ifyou know about all this copyright stuff, would I actually get in any trouble if i happened to find my old battle.lgp with all my modded content on it and upload it?
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Since you worded it that way, the answer is no, nobody would care. If you were asking whether it was legal, the answer would still be no. And if you posted yet another question, say like; might someone else get in trouble for having a link to such thing posted on forum owned by them, the answer would be yes, in theory at least. Last two are reasons why link to such thing wouldn't be tolerated here.
I'll be posting a looooong log excerpt later today, since the little asshat seems unable to either apologize, or provide proof of what he said. Not entirely surprising on either of the points, and especially the latter, since he is wrong. :-D
But hey, it's not like I didn't offer him the chance, or anything. :lol:
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The guy hould just check Wikipedia if he can't find proof to post, save alot of time and effort, for in my experience, if it's not on Wikipedia, it's nowhere, at least not easily found. :-P
[Totally off-topic]
Jari/El Ammo, think I'll start using Jari, it's shorter :-D I think I found a better pic than your avatars finally :-P icanhascheezburger, if you seen the "Iz still happy cat, iz jut mi poker face" one, you'll know what I'm talking about haha. :lol:
[/Totally off-topic]
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I discussed this with him in the irc chat and I think it was resolved there too, but if he wants to continue he'll be doing it without me.
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So Jari, ifyou know about all this copyright stuff, would I actually get in any trouble if i happened to find my old battle.lgp with all my modded content on it and upload it?
Well - if you burn the file to CD - mail it to yourself using Recorded delivery then you magically own the copyright, you should then be free to upload it ;)
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I discussed this with him in the irc chat and I think it was resolved there too, but if he wants to continue he'll be doing it without me.
I'll be posting a looooong log excerpt later today, since the little asshat seems unable to either apologize, or provide proof of what he said. Not entirely surprising on either of the points, and especially the latter, since he is wrong. :-D
But hey, it's not like I didn't offer him the chance, or anything. :lol:
So, here it comes.
[05 Jun 08 21:35] * Jari * BTW kimchiacid, by all means keep arguing about stuff you know nothing about. To quote 4chan, you'll sh*t brix when you finally figure out what the federal registration is for, what it does, and HOW DO YOU DO IT. :D
[05 Jun 08 21:35] * Jari * Like I said, keep at it. Deeper you dig, more humiliating it will be. :)
[05 Jun 08 21:35] * Jari * But now I have a tower to climb. Be back in hour or two. :)
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * ye-roon * Jari
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * ye-roon * your avatar rules
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * Jari * Yes, ye-roon?
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * Jari * :) I'm glad you like it. :)
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * Jari * Which one, though? Or all of them? :P
[05 Jun 08 22:46] * ye-roon * just saw the one with the bunny with the pink ears :p
[05 Jun 08 22:46] * Jari * Ah :)
[05 Jun 08 22:47] * Jari * There are like three or four of them. Reload and it should serve you a different one. :)
[05 Jun 08 22:59] * Jari * Now, *this* is cosplay: http://zip.4chan.org/cgl/src/1212691497833.jpg :D
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid * http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> section 3a to 4c
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> man those brix hurt like hell, don't they?
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> and for the prices
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> http://www.copyright.gov/docs/fees.html
[05 Jun 08 23:21] * Jari * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_copyright_law#Registration_of_copyright
[05 Jun 08 23:21] * Jari * "As the United States has joined the Berne Convention, registration is no longer necessary to provide copyright protection."
[05 Jun 08 23:21] * Jari * You were saying?
[05 Jun 08 23:22] * Jari * Maybe you REALLY should try reading up, before opening your mouth?
[05 Jun 08 23:24] * ye-roon * [22:00:10] <Jari> Now, *this* is cosplay: http://zip.4chan.org/cgl/src/1212691497833.jpg :D <-- SILVER POWER RANGERS!
[05 Jun 08 23:25] * Jari * LOL :D
[05 Jun 08 23:36] * kimchiacid * However, registration is still necessary to obtain statutory damages in case of infringement
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * Jari * Yes?
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * kimchiacid * what are things you need to protect yourself in regards to copyright?
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * Jari * You are aware that statutory damages are not the only kind of damages that can be awarded?
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * ye-roon * sleepy time
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * ye-roon * gn :)
[05 Jun 08 23:38] * Jari * ...what you say?
[05 Jun 08 23:38] * Jari * Good night, ye-roon. :)
[05 Jun 08 23:38] * kimchiacid * goodnight
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[05 Jun 08 23:42] * Jari * So. Are you going to post your "proof", or are you going to apologize for calling me a liar?
[05 Jun 08 23:42] * Jari * Not that I'd forgive you, you are a true little asshat.
[05 Jun 08 23:42] * Jari * ...well, God damn. He ran away.
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[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * sorry power filcker ni my naeghborhood
[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * flicker*
[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * w/e
[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * got hit with a tornado yesterday
[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * anyways
[05 Jun 08 23:56] * kimchiacid * yes i do know that its not the only damages awarded
[05 Jun 08 23:56] * Jari * [23:42] Jari: So. Are you going to post your "proof", or are you going to apologize for calling me a liar?
[05 Jun 08 23:56] * Jari * [23:42] Jari: Not that I'd forgive you, you are a true little asshat.
[05 Jun 08 23:57] * kimchiacid * but its the most common significant type of case disputed
[05 Jun 08 23:57] * kimchiacid * proof as in legality?
[05 Jun 08 23:57] * kimchiacid * or proof for the liare comment
[05 Jun 08 23:58] * Jari * Proof that I asked from you. Proof that you have to pay for copyright protection in US. That's what you promised and apparently can't produce.
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * kimchiacid * i did!
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * Jari * And since you apparently can't do that, that means that I'm no liar... and you better apologize.
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * Qhimm * Correct me if I'm wrong here, but all you've been doing when Jari provides evidence for his viewpoint is to say "yes, that's correct, I was aware of that". Not exactly sure how you combine that with figuring that he lied.
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * kimchiacid * i sent u many link
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * kimchiacid * links
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * Jari * I see. Well, feel free to post your proof in the forums as well, then.
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * Jari * Of course, I can post this log as well.
[06 Jun 08 00:00] * kimchiacid * hello
[06 Jun 08 00:00] * kimchiacid * links
[06 Jun 08 00:00] * kimchiacid * i gave you government websites
[06 Jun 08 00:00] * kimchiacid * u gave me a wikipedia
[06 Jun 08 00:01] * Jari * Fine. I'll be posting the log, then. :)
[06 Jun 08 00:01] * kimchiacid * its entirely
[06 Jun 08 00:01] * kimchiacid * up to u
[06 Jun 08 00:01] * Jari * I can give you plenty of websites that say the same thing, but it wouldn't make any difference, would it? :)
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * plenty of govt websites?
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * sure
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * Qhimm * Explain it to me, then.
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * Jari * Probably, if I can be arsed to. One would imagine that your government knows what it signs. :P
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * what
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * lol
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * u'd think
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * Qhimm * Copyright protection is entirely automatic, no registration needed, yes?
[06 Jun 08 00:03] * kimchiacid * no
[06 Jun 08 00:03] * kimchiacid * not entirely
[06 Jun 08 00:03] * kimchiacid * protection for the most common significant damages needs registration
[06 Jun 08 00:03] * Qhimm * Isn't damages something you seek?
[06 Jun 08 00:04] * kimchiacid * the type of damages
[06 Jun 08 00:05] * Qhimm * As I understand it, the registration is entirely optional and merely serves to strengthen your case in case of litigation
[06 Jun 08 00:05] * kimchiacid * i was talking about in a court of law
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * kimchiacid * for law suits
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * kimchiacid * and possible jailtime
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * Qhimm * And it's merely strengthened because there is a formal record of your copyrighted work, and that you can seek statutory damages.
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * kimchiacid * strengthened from nothing
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * kimchiacid * cuz before that all u have is a claim
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * kimchiacid * a claim with no proof
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * Jari * Yes, because selling a game in Japan for example is merely a claim. Surely not a proof, or anything.
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * kimchiacid * if u create something and another person registers it unsder that persons name
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * kimchiacid * ur screwed
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * Jari * Do you understand what proof means? I mean, do you REALLY understand?
[06 Jun 08 00:08] * Qhimm * But the proof is hardly a part of the copyright protection. It is merely proof, to be used in litigation suits.
[06 Jun 08 00:08] * Qhimm * The Copyright office basically says "look, get this registration and it'll make protecting your work much easier"
[06 Jun 08 00:08] * kimchiacid * if u create something and another person registers it unsder that persons name
[06 Jun 08 00:08] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> ur screwed
[06 Jun 08 00:09] * kimchiacid * sorry paste doesn't work too well with my irc client
[06 Jun 08 00:09] * Qhimm * But the second registration would then be invalid and overturnable by presenting prior art, no?
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * kimchiacid * if tehre was a first registration
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * kimchiacid * there
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * Qhimm * So you're saying there is no burden of proof when registering something at the copyright office?
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * kimchiacid * if u don't register ur intellectual property and someone else does that other person will get the credit
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * Qhimm * But then the U.S. wouldn't be compliant with the Berne convention.
[06 Jun 08 00:11] * Qhimm * Which it apparently is. Compliant, that is.
[06 Jun 08 00:11] * kimchiacid * bu there are other ways of proving it
[06 Jun 08 00:11] * kimchiacid * like the mailing method
[06 Jun 08 00:12] * kimchiacid * if everyone goes by a he said she said law then cases wouldn't get anywhere
[06 Jun 08 00:13] * kimchiacid * in that aspect its more than strengthening ur side
[06 Jun 08 00:14] * Qhimm * The registration is merely a piece proof to back up your claim, then. Plus it will allow you to seek statutory damages instead of having to demonstrate exactly what you've lost due to the infringement.
[06 Jun 08 00:15] * Qhimm * *a piece of proof
[06 Jun 08 00:15] * kimchiacid * yes thats what i said, kinda
[06 Jun 08 00:16] * kimchiacid * but just the claim itself doesn't do anything
[06 Jun 08 00:16] * Qhimm * Well, in the same sense as in that homocide laws doesn't prevent murder, yes. :)
[06 Jun 08 00:17] * kimchiacid * lol
[06 Jun 08 00:17] * kimchiacid * nice
[06 Jun 08 00:18] * kimchiacid * im glad we found an understanding
[06 Jun 08 00:18] * kimchiacid * :D
[06 Jun 08 00:19] * Qhimm * All your protection comes from the copyright law itself, which doesn't require any fees. However, to be able to win a litigation you will need to provide proof that you were indeed the original author of the work. The registration is one way to provide such proof, but is by no means necessary or the only way to accomplish this. Correct?
[06 Jun 08 00:19] * kimchiacid * not completely
[06 Jun 08 00:19] * kimchiacid * the litigation is apart of the copuright laws
[06 Jun 08 00:20] * Qhimm * Yes.
[06 Jun 08 00:20] * kimchiacid * its not a separate process
[06 Jun 08 00:21] * kimchiacid * but it is noy the only way
[06 Jun 08 00:21] * kimchiacid * not*
[06 Jun 08 00:21] * Qhimm * But litigation is merely the name of the process of suing someone.
[06 Jun 08 00:21] * kimchiacid * which iis why i provided an alternative method b4
[06 Jun 08 00:22] * kimchiacid * but this a type of lawsuit that is back by federal law
[06 Jun 08 00:22] * kimchiacid * it isn't just another claims court case
[06 Jun 08 00:25] * Qhimm * Yes, copyright is federal law in the U.S. But the primary difference that makes seems to be the court used for the process.
[06 Jun 08 00:27] * Qhimm * All of the protection offered by copyright still comes from the federal copyright law. The registration merely a) provides a typically effective means of fulfilling the burden of proof for litigation, and b) simplifies seeking damages by allowing statutory damages.
[06 Jun 08 00:27] * kimchiacid * except in breaking federal laws u can get jail time too
[06 Jun 08 00:29] * Qhimm * Even if so, how is that relevant to the claimed increased protection afforded by registration?
[06 Jun 08 00:30] * kimchiacid * the claim doesn't mean anything
[06 Jun 08 00:30] * kimchiacid * without proof
[06 Jun 08 00:30] * kimchiacid * or punishment
[06 Jun 08 00:30] * Qhimm * Yes, I think we agree on this. Still, the registration is not necessary for either of these.
[06 Jun 08 00:31] * kimchiacid * ok
[06 Jun 08 00:31] * kimchiacid * fine
[06 Jun 08 00:33] * kimchiacid * my standpoint is registration is a form of proof, without proof you can't do anything
[06 Jun 08 00:33] * kimchiacid * just like jari kept saying
[06 Jun 08 00:33] * kimchiacid * wheres the prrof
[06 Jun 08 00:33] * kimchiacid * however you can always bribe the judges
[06 Jun 08 00:34] * kimchiacid * :)
[06 Jun 08 00:37] * Jari * Why, in stores for example. Say, you seem to hold the issue of emulators and ROMs close to your heart. Seeing that game X has been sold since year '92 (for example) in a country which signed the Berne convention, rather likely means that the company which made it holds the copyright. If someone disagrees, they are free to litigate, of course.
[06 Jun 08 00:37] * Qhimm * Then we have the same standpoint. Registration does not enable or improve your protection, it is merely a simpler, formalized means to provide proof and seek damages.
[06 Jun 08 00:41] * Qhimm * Proof via registration is not inherently any stronger than proof via, say, the mailing solution. If incorrect it can be overturned by establishing the proper authorship via different proof.
[06 Jun 08 00:44] * Qhimm * It used to be a requirement for federal copyright protection, but at least since signing the Berne convention this is no longer the case. Instead, it merely fills the role of simplifying the litigation process if you have it. It does not afford you any additional rights though, nor does it allow you to seek any additional damages.
[06 Jun 08 00:46] * Qhimm * What it does do is allow you to seek statutory damages instead of having to actually calculate and demonstrate your exact loss. In practice this can make it easier to seek larger damages, but is not necessarily so.
[06 Jun 08 00:56] * kimchiacid * it seems that we are all on the same page now :)
[06 Jun 08 01:01] * kimchiacid * but all that said the damages decided during litigation is a form of punishment for breaking that law, so without the lawsuit there is no crime, at least in the US
[06 Jun 08 01:01] * kimchiacid * that makes me sound soo bad
[06 Jun 08 01:01] * kimchiacid * :(
[06 Jun 08 01:02] * Qhimm * Yes, copyright litigation is still a civil lawsuit, even when backed by federal laws. It is not a crime prosecuted by the state.
[06 Jun 08 01:02] * kimchiacid * atleast in terms of copyright
[06 Jun 08 01:02] * kimchiacid * but its mostly true for murder and all that too
[06 Jun 08 01:02] * kimchiacid * OJ wasn't guilty till they said he was
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Jari/El Ammo, think I'll start using Jari, it's shorter :-D I think I found a better pic than your avatars finally :-P icanhascheezburger, if you seen the "Iz still happy cat, iz jut mi poker face" one, you'll know what I'm talking about haha. :lol:
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Hah, indeed. That is a good one. :)
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So Jari, ifyou know about all this copyright stuff, would I actually get in any trouble if i happened to find my old battle.lgp with all my modded content on it and upload it?
Well - if you burn the file to CD - mail it to yourself using Recorded delivery then you magically own the copyright, you should then be free to upload it ;)
lol that's too much effort. I might just upload it at sometime, then pm it to peaople or something, who might be stupid enough to post up links therefore exempting all responsibility. It makes sense in my head, I think..
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I would gladly accepet a pm with it, however wouldn't be stupid enough to throw blame on myself by posting it on the forums properly ;-)
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What replacement mod :roll:
Well hello there ain't that friggin nice to get some PM's now and then ;D
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guess alot of people have issues with Jari. Lol I was starting to feel alone back then :-D
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Fear not, you are in a good company.
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The only issue I've got is with the avatar - the gallery of creepy kitties. I'm a cat guy myself, but some of those smiles ... :evil: If my cats did that, I'm thinking I'd take up arms until I was sure their eyes weren't going to turn red and they weren't going to develop massive alligator maws and eat me.
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Pffft. They are not creepy. They are special. You know, like special people?
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Qhimm's pretty aggressive to harmless and well hearted posts, so I'll be limiting my stay here. :P
I'll return when I start FFVIII, but I'll try not to help anyone else in the process in fear of being raped.
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No I think the idea is just being knowledgable about your subject wont get you flamed.
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Nothing personal El Ammo but why is it that you are, or at least seem so aggressive to so many people? I can understand that you hate it when people say or do things that are stupid but I don't understand why you take it so far. I remember when you got into an argument with me about 1-2 months ago over that Real life beliefs topic, which by the way I did in fact took what you said a little too personally but more to the point it got so bad that everyone except squeeble was against you.
So to restate my question:why is it that you go through such lengths to talk down and insult people?
(Please don't reply with an aggressive response, I'm not trying to start an argument)
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I like to think it's tough love. He "loves" qhimm.com so he's "tough" to people who don't follow the rules. I think yours was gross improper grammar if I remember right. And if he was to lighten up on someone well... give someone an inch and they'll take a mile.
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...but more to the point it got so bad that everyone except squeeble was against you.
Nothing personal, but I'd go see a doctor if I had delusions like that.
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I love how there's always constant insults. Quite a group you guys have here.
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So, tell me. If 26 and half posts per day is limiting your stay here, how much would you post if we weren't such a mean bunch of bastards?
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I have 56 posts currently because I just restarted FFVII a week ago and I'm both inquiring about patches and trying to help others with their technical problems.
I don't care about people who insult others in off-topic parts of this website. Most of the stuff I've seen is not in the ff7 section of this site that I check up on daily, so I don't really care enough for it to affect my ff7 game.
I'm frequently here for the moment because I've posted messages and asked questions that I'm interested in seeing replies to. Not here for drama, my friend. :P
I said I won't be here for long because, once I get ff7 working the way I like it, I probably won't make the effort to collide cahoots or provide more assistance. I imagine I'll still check back to see if a good balance difficulty mod comes along, though. :D
I'll be shocked to see what you can find in this post to yell at. :| :wink:
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I'm frequently here for the moment because I've posted messages and asked questions that I'm interested in seeing replies to. Not here for drama, my friend. :P
If you weren't here fr drama, then you wod't be in this particular thread. Clearly yu enjoy the drama.
I'll be shocked to see what you can find in this post to yell at. :| :wink:
Who's yelling? Unless you ar actually stupid enough to yelat you screen while you type.
I imagine I'll still check back to see if a good balance difficulty mod comes along, though. :D
There's already a hard mod. Maybe it'll keep you busy enough, and now you can go away.
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I came here to give forum criticism, not to get anybody rowdy.
Also, your comebacks are weak. :S I guess I'll make my way out since the only thing I can possibly look forward to is drama, and I'm not as interested in it as you. Sorry to disappoint.
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What comebacks?
Comebacks warrant something being came back to, unless I misunderstand the point of the name...
And I have yet to see you throw an insult, therefor, there are NO comebacks.
Guess your not as smart as you think.
Please go away. :-)
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Fantastic. You just admitted insulting me before I ever insulted you. Bravo. :|
Therefore proving that you are the reason you created thread, ironically.
Look, this was fun, but you're taking this too seriously. You've clearly created this thread to find more people to be snarky and offensive towards, even if they mean no harm. For this reason, I don't care about what you have to say in this thread.
Keep seeking drama, my friend - I'm sorry to say that this episode has come to an end. Find new outlets for stress or whatnot.
Go ahead and say something like "but I'm not your friend - to be a friend means you'd actually have to KNOW me, idiot!", but don't worry, I won't read it.
I can't believe I just replied to you, again, but whatever. Hopefully you keep this interesting attitude here and don't drag it to the ff7 threads. That's all I ask.
Ciao
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Battle of the nubcakes.
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I can't believe I just replied to you, again, but whatever. Hopefully you keep this interesting attitude here and don't drag it to the ff7 threads. That's all I ask.
I don't care what you ask, but no, it stays here. And also, I don't create drama. I AM drama. ;-)
And I know you'll read this, even if you don't reply to it. I don't really care either way.
Battle of the nubcakes.
Awesome isn't it.
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Let's end this here then, Griever. Let's be buds or whatever. :lol: lol
And what flavor nubcake am I? I hope I'm strawberry shortcake.
Mmmm... strawberrys... and shorts...
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If we're all done here...