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Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2008-11-26 20:23:04: :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Hope this is as epic as your last thread dude!
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Post by: NameSpoofer on 2008-11-27 00:53:29: Hey this is incredibly awesome... how hard does it take to create a new FF7 model from scratch?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2008-11-27 07:14:13: Well I can't tell you how long it takes to makes a Final Fantasy VII model from scratch, I've never done it before! I guess I'll find out.

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP2.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP2.jpg)

The boots took longer to make than the basic body design.
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Post by: slayersnext on 2008-11-27 09:06:28: apz freak, Nice Body! did you use templates for build yours models?
If yes, can you send me some for male and female model, pelase? THX!
I cant find anything with 'anime' proportions like theses... XD
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Post by: apz freak on 2008-11-27 09:34:37: Scale Model Reference

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_CloudFront.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/CloudFront.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_CloudSide.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/CloudSide.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_CloudBack.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/CloudBack.jpg)
(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_CloudFieldFront.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/CloudFieldFront.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_CloudFieldSide.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/CloudFieldSide.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_CloudFieldBack.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/CloudFieldBack.jpg)

This is the only thing I used at all. I'm in Art College, I haven't studied 3D models yet, but I'm doing this for real because that's what the pro's do!

If I used a blank template that would mean I haven't done anything yet. I'm making this from scratch. Completely from scratch!
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Post by: Theclad on 2008-11-27 18:19:30: Whaouuuu !
Completely AMAZING !
Your Work in Progress is very interesting and I Hope, you will can release this without enought diffuculty ! :-)

YOU RULES ! :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: polaris_027 on 2008-11-28 01:17:53: Good luck with the textures man..hope it fits nicely to your amazing models.. :mrgreen:
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Post by: ice_cold513 on 2008-11-28 20:13:15: apz freak

I love that SD cloud Keep up the good work

Hope you get Sephiroth model like that too
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Post by: apz freak on 2008-12-03 07:34:57: (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP3.jpg)

Oi! Darn, My computer shut down when the power went out and I lost about a weeks worth of work. Luckily I saved it at a check point, I'm not as far as I was before the file got currupted. But here's what I have so far, it's not much, but the colors starting to make it come together better.

Man, and I lost all the muscle lines and allot of texture map skinning work. And the face I was starting to sculpt is gone. Darn! But I know what I'm doing and I'll be able to do it again, and do it even better!
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Post by: Jonnylossus on 2008-12-03 12:33:05: Quote from: apz freak on 2008-12-03 07:34:57

...and I lost about a weeks worth of work.

Man, and I lost all the muscle lines and allot of texture map skinning work. And the face I was starting to sculpt is gone.

Awww, sad to hear that. :/ But i am glad that you are doing this work! =)
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2008-12-03 16:21:51: Looking more epic everyday :D

Apz, would you mind sending me the belt and the Boots? these are the only parts that are making My model look Very bad. i cant quite seem to get them right :/ or at least tell me how i would go about making ones that look better than these:
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x74/beefpwnage/shoe.png) (http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x74/beefpwnage/belt.png)
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Post by: cl0ud123 on 2008-12-16 03:54:59: Hello, how is your model going?

Please release it when you are done. This looks fantastic.
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Post by: apz freak on 2008-12-16 06:32:56: Yes, I will release this! :lol:

Send you the belt and boots? What I did was use photo shop to make better textures, the model's more or less got all the detail you need, maybe you can learn model texturing techniques by finding some faqs. I learned from reading faqs. Texturing I learned from the tutorial files found in 3dsmax! I wouldn't be doing my job if I did it for you! You can do it, like I always say "If you keep pounding your head against the wall you'll eventually break through" I was able to learn most of this stuff by myself, you can do it too!
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2008-12-16 14:56:59: :D thanks apz. You've been the most inspiring person EVER on the internet...EVER :P
hope your project turns out great!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: arcuivie on 2008-12-17 04:47:27: I actually just finished Crisis Core and have been on a Final Fantasy kick since, almost as much as when I finished XII and had to replay 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 back to back to restore my faith in the series. It's really cool to see people doing this sort of stuff; it's filling my head with ideas of completely redoing the 3d elements of FF7 with updated textures, higher poly counts, taking the maybe-remake into our own (the fans) hands.

Anyway, great work apz, I stumbled upon your last thread through NeoCloudstrife's recent thread, awesome work. I can't wait to see what you can do with this.
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Post by: apz freak on 2008-12-25 05:43:58: Well, since reconfiguring the muscle lines again is alittle depressing after loosing all my work... I started somewhere else. Here is the completed Shoulder Armor. This is the level of texture quality I'm going for, as much realism I can get away with and still put it in the old game.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP4.jpg)

update: I've decided to texture a few things before finishing my modeling. That's not the real way it'd be done, but I'm doing what gets me motivated faster! Here's what I just textured since I made this new reply.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP5.jpg)

some of you may be faster modelers, but I think I own the monopoly around here on texturing! :-D
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Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2008-12-25 09:18:29: Wow, that looks really good *drools*

I am definitely going to use this when it comes out.
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Post by: shazman1984 on 2008-12-25 09:29:05: I cant wait! You rock dude!
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Post by: polaris_027 on 2008-12-25 09:34:43: yeah..you sure do.. :mrgreen:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2008-12-26 18:40:38: At this point I'm making all the textures separate, so they're slightly more highrez then they will be when I compile everything into the final one I'm going to release. The final will be one big texture 512x512, but I'll hang on to these separate ones for some cool poses. Trust me, when he's in the FFVIIPC you won't tell the difference!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP6.jpg)
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2008-12-26 19:39:55: ....lol, my texture sheet is 4000 by 4000, and its no-where near this good :P
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Post by: NameSpoofer on 2008-12-27 00:14:16: 4000x4000 won't work in the game, even with high resolution patch.

And Apz freak, thumbs up mate, no one can beat you in texturing 8-)
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2008-12-27 00:48:09: Whats the suggested texture size for the entire charactre in game? assuming you use one square map for the entire character (is it okay to use more than one?).
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: NameSpoofer on 2008-12-27 00:54:47: 128x128
256x256
512x512 ( the best imo )
768x768
512x1024
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2008-12-29 01:52:28: Let's put it this way, for my Kingdom Hearts modified Cloud, I used a 512x512 texture map, that's about as much detail as you need, any bigger and it wouldn't read in the small resolution of the game! The Buster Sword I made had a separate texture. Yes you can use more than one texture, but there's a limit and putting it all on one would make it much easier. Yes, use one square map!
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2008-12-29 21:44:30: ...That's what i've been doing. but surely lots of 512x512 textures needed for a rather complicated cloud equate to even over 4000x4000. so, the more textures you need, the more quality must be lost? that wouldnt look as good as your old cloud was ingame. surely you must have had yours bigger than 512x512?
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Post by: apz freak on 2008-12-30 01:44:33: Well kinda, the more textures you need the less quality. Pretty much. That's the rules for working in low poly with strict texture limits. Full motion rendering like Advent Children doesn't really need limits like that. My map was 512 and it DOES look that good in game because it's all the information you need.

The one you see on the first post of the old "Cloud Replacement Model" thread uses only ONE 512x512 square. It can be done!

Alright I'm gonna be a bit of a tease, so forgive me!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Cloudtexsheet.jpg)

I promised myself I wouldn't directly release the texture, and I didn't. But I hope this helps. It's scaled down to 50% of it's total size, but see! It all fits into that 512x512 square, and that's the same EXACT texture you see on the "Cloud Replacement Model" thread. Obviously this is just ripped out of kingdom hearts and modified. So it isn't entirely my creation. But the new Cloud that I'm texturing is!

Try this, take all of the Kingdom Hearts Cloud textures (there's 15 of them and they're all 128x128) and put them all in a 512x512 square. Do that math, a 512x512 can fit 16 of the 128x128's in it. What I did was use the kingdom hearts textures as a learning tool. Learning from finished work!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2008-12-30 02:27:04: is it necessary to use up a quarter for the face?
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Post by: apz freak on 2008-12-30 03:19:43: No it isn't, I just wanted to make sure it looked right, and hell, I had a whole quarter of the texture of empty space, I figured I'd fill it somehow! And considering the fact that I made the eyes on a separate model with separate textures (I'll get to that later, long story about putting it in the game) but considering that, let's just say there was no benefit to making it that big. And not really too much benefit for making anything else bigger, it all looks just fine!

edit: But here's my new progress report.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP7.jpg)

Boy are wrinkles harder to draw than I thought it would be. Of course then again, I've never drawn wrinkles that extensively that wraps around a model before. First time for everything!
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2008-12-30 03:45:02: Most impressive. folds are great, n looks really good all around. This is depressing my attempt. How are you going about making yer textures?

As to being a lil more colaborative are you into the great scheme of replacing masses of models in the game? just other characters/nething. For speeding things up, I think i model a bit faster than you, would you be interested in texturing my models? or would you rather work all on your own steam. It just seems a bit pointless for us all to be shooting out the same thing with slight variations. From what i've seen yer the strongest one around here via texturing (n damn good at that). Anyhow get back to me, pm er respond whatvr suits you. If yer interest is just in a cloud replacement thats fair, I dont wanna push you fer nething, just thought I put the option there.
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Post by: apz freak on 2008-12-30 06:03:45: Well thanks for the offer, but I'm too busy a person to commit to such a thing. (I gotta stop starting projects, jeez I have a ton of them) I work full-time and go to college full-time, I'm the eldest of 9, I have a fiance (nuff said there :wink: ) Actually all told the amount of time I spent on this new cloud is probably only a few hours, most of the time on the textures. I only get a half an hour here or there, I never get the chance to work for more than that (except tonight, thankfully) I also write/play/record/engineer music, I play guitar and sing and I'm pretty handy with midi.

You can check out my music if you like: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/194793

Thanks but I'm sure you'll do fine on your own. I seek to encourage and inspire and it seems I'm doing that! I'm always happy to see that people are learning things, and if I'm a part of that, even better! Most of what I learned is by doing it myself without anyone's help (as far as modeling goes) Texturing/skinning and even the use of photoshop I taught myself AFTER I graduated from highschool. Sorry if I was a douchebag to anyone, I don't mean to be, it's just that I'm an extremely busy guy and this project's probably one of the least important things I should spend my focus on. But I'm an artist, my focus can take hold on not let go sometimes. Both bad and good 8-)

Of course I realize that people will use my material to generate version of their own and call it theirs. That's lame, but there's really nothing I can do about it. I choose not to really care about that.

One of the reasons I use to keep my interest in things is that I want to see something. And no one else has made it yet, I just have to make it myself! My only problem is that I have insanely high standards, and strong opinions about what I like and dislike.

But your Cloud will be yours with your own stamp of approval. I know texturing looks daunting right now. But trust me, it's not as bad as it looks, it's just time consuming! Take it one part at a time. Always compare the work on the model back and forth.

edit: After maybe ...? 20 minutes of work?

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP8.jpg)
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2008-12-30 15:45:47: absolutely beast my man. What poly count are you running at? current and final goal?
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2008-12-30 20:18:49: Wow, dude, you seem to be using almost EXACTLY the same textures as me O.o

...perhaps, then, yours are just applied more cleverly/artisticly?

...plus the fact that applying textures that weren't made specifically for a particular model is hell. lol.

anyway, this is looking Brilliant, keep at it, Apz :-D
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Post by: apz freak on 2008-12-30 21:36:27: Currently at 2,714 tri polys total. I don't really have a specific goal in mind, I'm just being as frugal as possible and adding more detail on what's more important to me. For example, it's unnecessary to have the harness a separate model, it could just as well have been a texture, that's what I did on the "Cloud Replacement" model. But it makes me happy to see that detail. If I had the need, I could compress him way down. But there isn't!

I still haven't finished the face (I did, but that file got corrupted) I haven't done the hair or the hands. I wager I'll use 240 on the bolts on the wrist things, hands somewhere between 200~300, and the final head somewhere between 500~600... Ish, I'm not really sure yet!

So I'm estimating the final version will be about 3,600~4,000. Which isn't really all that bad! More than I need, absolutely, but enough to make me happy! It's weird, because I want to make it as streamlined as possible, but I want detail. So, there ya go!

*The "Cloud Replacement (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=7451.0)" KH rip-off I did was 3,446 tri polys total. I think I'm hitting close to my mark of making my own version of this model with slightly more detail in some places and less detail in others. *My KH rip-off Sephiroth was 4,057 polys (All that damned hair!)

The original KH Cloud is 3,150, hope that gives some bearings. My model's more detailed in places to satisfy my obsessive needs. And it all runs in the game fine anyways :roll: So why not!

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And we know because of Reunion (The guy who made PC Creator (http://webpages.charter.net/reunionvii/frameset.htm)) That FFVIIPC can handle 24,978 polygons! http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5828.msg74935#msg74935

So I think we're not doing that bad then!

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Oh and NeoCloudstrife...

I'm using the same textures because I'm using the same source! The texture files from KH are 128x128 and all fit nicely in a 512x512 square! That's what I meant when I told you they don't need to be any bigger! My textures aren't any more cleverly applied than the originals made for the KH Cloud, I just basically took their work and painted my own changes on top, that's it really! Nothing drastic.

The hard part is skinning, making sure the uv's of the model are unwrapped and flattened out correctly. Use a checker board texture to check it's correctness, if the squares are still square on the model, you succeeded! But drawing the textures probably takes the most time for me. I got the modeling down, I'm experienced at skinning now.

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edit: After a few more stolen minutes...

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP9.jpg)
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2008-12-31 16:59:20: awesomesauce, but you gotta scale down vertically from the belt up. remmber the soldier emblem covers most of the abs.
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2008-12-31 22:26:12: Hey, i just had a thought. could you release two seperate versions of this when its done? one with this classic style, and one crisis core style, as in, just a simple recoulour to fit the new first class style? that would be REALLY great ;)
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2008-12-31 23:01:31: that would also highly modify the hair... just lettin ye know
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-01 01:12:22: Quote from: NeoCloudstrife on 2008-12-31 22:26:12
Hey, i just had a thought. could you release two seperate versions of this when its done? one with this classic style, and one crisis core style, as in, just a simple recoulour to fit the new first class style? that would be REALLY great ;)

Actually, you're only saying what I was gonna do! Yes, that's something I really want to do! That's something i planned on doing, infact: I planned on nearly every incarnation of Cloud: Classic Coud, ?New Original Cloud?, Dissidia Cloud, AC Cloud, And maybe if it isn't redundant enough, My own KH Cloud.

Now I don't know if I'll make all of them, but it's nice to have something to think about. But most definatly This one and Classic Cloud, that's a promise!

Quote from: timu sumisu on 2008-12-31 16:59:20
awesomesauce, but you gotta scale down vertically from the belt up. remmber the soldier emblem covers most of the abs.

Well you're right, that was one of those things I did in the file that got corrupted and I never really got around to fixing it again. The proportions I changed him to are the one's found in this picture:

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/zackreference.jpg)

But it's well known that Cloud proportion are never ever consistent. I mean look!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_cloudclassic.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/cloudclassic.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_clouddissidia.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/clouddissidia.jpg)

But I think we can both agree that the Crisis Core version is the most anatomically correct. I just chose not to bother with it again until I'm almost done. The proportions from this Cloud that I'm making were just a hasty attempt at Trying to match the KH Cloud.

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Comparison2.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Comparison2.jpg)

But noboady seems to mind. I'm happy someone has an opinion about it. Cloud proportions are one of those things that gets to me because it's never consistent. But Crisis Core's the best version of that in my opinion.

Of course, mine's more anime like. But that's intentional 8-)
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-01 04:13:05: hmm hmm. the shape of the soldier belt i always figured fit the abdominal muscles (though newer vewsion seems to put it all over. It seems practical to match it there like in CC. for the old looking belt - the reason they put it lower now is so cloud doesnt look like a fool with pants halfway up his chest.
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-01 20:03:37: Exactly!

All fixed.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/allfixed.jpg)
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-01-01 23:27:52: when you're done with the arms, could ya show us it with the KH clouds head just so we can see it how it might look when its done?
*still drooling*
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-02 02:14:22: that pic shows us another thing that could be improved for exactness... the shape of the pauldron is that of kh1. it cuts off while the original goes the whole way around at the base.. i imagine you'll know what i'm talking about. I did the same mistake lol. Also for the texture of the shirt, i suggest making them a bit tighter, the belts a might darker.
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-05 06:51:25: Wow, you're really into my project! Don't get me wrong I find it very pleasing to know that you care how this will come out! And For that I thank you, all of you, thanks guys!

timu sumisu, you're absolutely right about the shoulder armor even if I was alittle too proud to admit it at first. The problem's in the texture really not the model, now that I look at it with the texture turned off. But I'm leaving the shirt texture the way it is, it reads better from a distance and too sharp a contrast would draw more attention to the shirts ribbing than the harness. It fits my aesthetic!
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-05 06:56:27: hmk, I wasnt all that clear with my critique, so hopefully were on the same page - send a pic of what ye do fer modifying it
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-05 07:49:38: We're on the same page, I know what you meant. It was easily fixed using the smudge tool, too easy. The problem with low poly is that it's all optical illusion that anything appears round or curved. Excuse my inner monologue style of typing!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP10.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP10.jpg)
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Post by: One-Winged Angel on 2009-01-05 21:29:23: May I just say, this is looking so good! Your modeling is so good!
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-06 02:52:44: its better, but a number of critiques

1. the shoulder, has the thingy with the dots around it. Belowo the rightmost dot is a curve in the pauldron. that should be flush with the rest of the base, if you look at the picture you posted a few posts ago ( i think its from the ff7 10th anniversary set) you'll see the base is flat, at a front view, so its a matter of lowering the point, and raising the curve that is to the right of it.

2. the fingers of the gloves need to be significantly darker... more like the belts (the lower double belts), and the studs on the hands should be a bit smaller. (they currently dominate the hands instead of adding detail... maybe 10-20% smaller.

3. the metal bangles look kinda plasticy right now... i suggest giving them a slightly more brushed metal look, or make them brighter with more drastic highlights.

Also for the piece on his left wrist, wern't you big on having both parts the same size? the one closer to the wrist is quite smaller I see. :P

Jus my 2 gil.
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-06 04:31:14: Well certainly thanks for your input. But if I focus too much and tightening it right now, I'll lose track of getting the whole things laid out first!

I'll take all this in, this is rare that someone else rivals my obsessive need for accuracy. (That's a compliment :wink: )

Honestly I never thought too much about the fingers in the gloves, but this is what made my decision on several things.

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_armreferance.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/armreferance.jpg)

Yeah for the forearm thing, I was looking for the right rusty shiny metal reference picture to use on top of that base, that's how the shoulder armor looked at first. I actually didn't mean this photo to be the presentation of the hands, but what the hell. I don't usually have someone who give two flying gil about what I do, it's a nice change from my Doom 3 editing days when discussions like these were more like battles or downright insults than the constructive criticism you're providing me.

Yeah the dots I made were in reference to the original designs, I forgot to compare that to the new version :roll: Although, you haven't noticed that I used the wrong design for the harness straps, at least the one that holds the pauldron. Got you there! I've been dragging my knees to correct that, it won't take that long, but life's been so busy lately, the only real work I've done on this in about a week is communicating on this board!

Whatever, work in progress. Things will be pretty different all over Cloud in my next progress report (and even right now) but I'll save all that for after I model the face and hair and lay out the final texture coordinates. I need to finish that first!

Until next time...
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-06 04:39:32: Between having modeled cloud about 4 times, cosplayed and plenty of doodles, ye get to nkwo the outfit pretty well. I know the AC one a bit better, however as to his harness. I'm not sure which wrong design yer refering to~ dunno if u mean like the roundness of the bigger part, or how its shaped in the back connecting to the single strap er wha, but i'll be eager to hear what you have to say. Those gloves in that pic from the CC ending are wierd... looks like metal plates for each finger joint... not very practical, but alas.

I'd give a might more t han 2 gil if i had friend! Ah! and I fergot one piece of advice... do every character :3!
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-06 19:31:21: Quote from: Zarnik on 2009-01-06 08:49:27
But if you are gonna release this model as a cloud model for the game, there will be some problems.... :mrgreen

Do tell, if you mean scale issues, that's easily fixed (or rather broken, how ever you see it)

I'm cosplaying Zack this next February, although according to these fine print details I'm technically Cloud's height and build (Though not as strong) but who cares!

I'm just as silly! :lol:

edit: Hey timu sumisu, this is what I meant about the straps. And yes, I agree, those new metal ringlets on the gloves are retarded, but whatever! it looks cool!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP11.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP11.jpg)

My big WHOOPS! Note the position of the studs on the offending straps too. Wow, didn't think I'd make a mistake that glaring! (to those of us who notice such things)

edit again, a bit later:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP12.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP12.jpg)

The only part left is the head! Now that I picked a skin tone I really like, making the texture was a snap! I used a sample from the Final Battle Cloud in the game to get the right skin tone (both light and dark), and then I just turned the saturation down a tad and viola! It fits in the model just fine! Of course like everything though at this point, I'm still refining details colors and brightness across the whole texture map, the final will be damn near perfect!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-01-07 16:07:50: I am simply amazed at the amount of hard work and detail that has gone into this model. keep going apz, almost there!

EDIT:

i wrote lack, lol. i fail epically :(

changed :D
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-07 16:46:40: k I see what you mean. Another thing i noticed, from the front view, the pauldron needs to be move quite a bit (see yellow arrows)

(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/531/correctionsiy8.th.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=correctionsiy8.jpg)

and the blue line is what i've been meaning bout the pauldron, that should be ther rim of it
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Post by: bishmanrock on 2009-01-07 21:25:16: I personally think this is unreal, and it isn't even finished!

Good work man, shame about not having enough time to do other characters, makes me wish I was this good so I could have a shot.

If you aren't already, you should be proud.
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-07 22:29:52: Well like I always say, if there's something you really want, if you keep banging your head against the wall eventually you'll break through! But thanks! I appreciate it! :-D

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP13.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP13.jpg)

And to anyone following this thread I hope it's interesting enough to read all the way through, and a veritable goldmine of details for the New Continuity Cloud. Or as i called him on some other message board... the Crisis Core Correct Continuity Cloud, the CCCC. But I'll try and find a more suitable name for him.

How about this, this version is just plain Cloud, and the original design version will be Classic Cloud. Because if anybody hasn't read the whole thread... When I'm done with this guy, it'll only take maybe about an hour to convert him into the original design with the original bangle and such.

And then there's the whole chopping him up and putting him in the game and making all the various field model versions. That'll be the next step!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: dark angel on 2009-01-07 22:32:43: Your really good at making models. Cam u make that one guy off of ff1 in to ff7???
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-01-07 22:57:41: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-01-07 22:29:52
How about this, this version is just plain Cloud, and the original design version will be Classic Cloud. Because if anybody hasn't read the whole thread... When I'm done with this guy, it'll only take maybe about an hour to convert him into the original design with the original bangle and such.

...you are still gonna make a crisis core secret ending style conversion, right? or is that what you meant by classic?
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-07 23:24:28: Actually the Crisis Core secret ending one, IS this Cloud that I'm making. So I'll call the Secret ending one just Cloud... and

and by Classic Cloud I mean:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_cloudclassic.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/cloudclassic.jpg)

And I might even venture to do the dissidia version. And maybe, just maybe... Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts, but probably not.
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Post by: dark angel on 2009-01-08 02:05:02: how long do u thing youll finish it??
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Post by: squallff8 on 2009-01-08 08:59:41: The GREATEST project that i so on this forum! apz freak you are AWESOME!Thank you,for you work!
But,still i want to ask you:
Don't you have any plans about other charactes like classic Tifa or classic Barret or other charactes?
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-01-08 15:07:18: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-01-07 23:24:28
Actually the Crisis Core secret ending one, IS this Cloud that I'm making.
so, no recolour then? I wouldnt normally be this bothered by it, but since i can't just do it myself, It'd be real sweet to have a blue to black recolour of the jumper and trousers (British words, but i'm sure you'll understand;)) i.e crisis core, thats what i meant :-D the hair style change isnt even important :P

anyway, good luck with the head/hair! :D

EDIT:
This is all i meant, sorry for the gigantic embed:
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x74/beefpwnage/apzcloud.png)
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Post by: Jonnylossus on 2009-01-08 23:35:24: Quote from: NeoCloudstrife on 2009-01-08 15:07:18
It'd be real sweet to have a blue to black recolour of the jumper and trousers (British words, but i'm sure you'll understand;))

Pants? :)

Nice work.
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Post by: JordieBo on 2009-01-09 00:17:27: Quote from: NeoCloudstrife on 2009-01-08 15:07:18
It'd be real sweet to have a blue to black recolour of the jumper and trousers (British words, but i'm sure you'll understand;))

Luckily I speak fluently in this tongue. Trousers, boot of car, rubbish, restaurant, chav. See? :D
Also, this mod looks epicly epic.
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Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-01-09 01:05:16: There seem to be an awful lot of us here from Dear Old Blighty ;-). I wouldn't be surprised if we actually outnumbered the Americans. Tea, anyone?
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-09 03:07:03: Quite possibly, but this American will have some tea as well! :wink:

The next picture posted should be the LAST Work in Progress. I gotta finish it QUICK, because I gotta draw a comic me and a friend of mine will be selling at an anime convention. And I don't want to be thinking of this when I'm drawing our comic, it isn't fair!

That's me alright... busy busy busy busy! And everyone calls me insane, how can one person work 40hrs a week and go to college 16hrs while still working on other project such as this one, AND be a loving fiance and keep a social life. I don't know. But it's overwhelming and wonderful all at the same time.

And life is dealing such bad news lately. :cry: My innocent brother's being thrown in jail, my mother's house got foreclosed on, last summer a friend of mine passed away, and another's slowing succumbing to kidney disease. I think I keep working to keep from falling into depression. Probably. I know other people have had way worse lives and I try to remember that, gotta keep on trucking.

But on the lighter side. Thanks yous guys! I'm glad this makes you happy. It makes me happy! :-)
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-09 03:20:12: thats tough man, but none of it is better or worse. Life is full of comings and goings, as we flow along our share of it. nothing is a loss, only a gain to what our life is. Appreciate all the experiences you get, be they joyful or painful, as they make you who you are, and add to you as a person. my best wishes to you, wherever life takes you.

in other news:
Can't wait to see yer progress!
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Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-01-09 03:20:26: Quote from: apz freak
And life is dealing such bad news lately. :cry: My innocent brother's being thrown in jail, my mother's house got foreclosed on, last summer a friend of mine passed away, and another's slowing succumbing to kidney disease. I think I keep working to keep from falling into depression. Probably. I know other people have had way worse lives and I try to remember that, gotta keep on trucking.

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that; you can have some strong tea. I'm impressed that you're able to keep on working with all that going on; keep on trucking :-)
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Post by: adventsoldier on 2009-01-10 04:14:39: i'm impressed, this is amazing work man, keep it up. i cant wait for this to come out!
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Post by: shazman1984 on 2009-01-10 05:38:47: aHA! I see a problem with it :-o.................... its just too damn good!!!!
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-10 08:52:46: I'm really proud of how this face is coming about, of course I had to start over like 5 times. I'm using the Kingdom Hearts Cloud to get the curves in his face better. It's so simple it's comfusing, but I think I finally found the right curvature.

Alrighty then, maybe I lied this isn't the last progress report. But hopefully this one is!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP14.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP14.jpg)

And thank you everybody for your enthusiasm! Without it I don't think I'd be as motivated to make it for you guys! The fact that people want my work at all makes me smile. Keep it up, I just might finish this soon!
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Post by: squallff8 on 2009-01-10 16:05:06: Whouu!It looks so cool! :-o
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-10 19:54:29: the face is always the hardest part... tilt the eyebrows to give a little more.. angry/pissed look, just point them inwards er... \/ kinda thing.. just not that extreme. also bring hte lips down a bit, he has too much chin, and not enough between mouth n nose. also good job on fixing hte pauldron, looks good.
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Post by: JordieBo on 2009-01-10 23:38:49: Is that textured? I mean the face? Cause the face looks AWESOME, but if it's been textured it should be darker and more peachy.
How are you going to do the eyes? Are you going to colour them into the face with texture, or are you gonna add in spheres and texture them. Because if you texture it straight to the face it gives it more of an anime look, and the spheres will make it more realistic. I'm not sure which one will suit the model, because the face is very realistic, so the spheres sound like a good idea, but if you make it look anime-ish it will suit the game. Sorry if i sound like im teaching a lecture or something! I didn't mean to! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: squallff8 on 2009-01-10 23:56:57: i think there is no texture yet...am i right :?
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-11 05:50:49: No it wasn't textured there, Now it is textured. KH Cloud head and Advent Children screen cap for reference.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP15.jpg)

Well I'm doing this anime-ish so it'll fit the game. I used the eye texture from the Final Battle Cloud to get the eyes right.
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-11 05:55:49: bring the outter tips of his eyebrows down a bit, its a bit too extreme.. good texture job, but i'd say that the skin is too cold.. warm up the colors a bit.. more orangey.

maybe thin his nose as well?
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Post by: squallff8 on 2009-01-11 09:46:35: timu sumisu is right, nose must be more thin.And i think eyes is to big...
Skin color is the same as hands so there is no need to change it(i like it)

anyway,GREAT JOB !You are AWESOME,man!
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Post by: shazman1984 on 2009-01-11 10:01:49: Almost finished, It looks fantastic!!!..... so whats after this, schoolgirl Tifa :-o, i kid i kid. haha.
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Post by: bishmanrock on 2009-01-11 11:51:57: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-01-11 05:50:49
Well I'm doing this anime-ish so it'll fit the game.

Good call, I always thought this was the best idea for replacing the models or else it just looks like it's in the wrong game.

Cloud looks incredibly annoyed, has someone spilled his milk? It's sorta had to evaluate the face without the hair anyway, but either way it's still looking amazing.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: themateoflink on 2009-01-11 16:05:21: Just my opinion, but something about the cheeks make them seem a tad fat. Not sure why. Although, this may be fixed when the hair is done.
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Post by: Satoh on 2009-01-13 00:39:39: The face looks a little too gray, try adding just a little more red to the shadows... maybe more yellow (or green depending on your color mixer) to the highlights.

~~Will this be up for download since it's purely original?(sorry if this was previously stated...)~~ Missed the first line X_x;;

EDIT: and the lips need to be a little thinner vertically.
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-16 09:49:32: Well I finally completed a mesh for this (school just started up again...)

I'm not entirely satisfied with it quite yet but at least I got something to warp into shape.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP16.jpg)

After I finish tinkering with the hair I'll texture it, convert the pieces, and it'll be available for download!
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-01-16 14:52:23: wow.
This is absolutely amazing apz!
Once again, words cannot describe how good this is...*claps*
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-16 19:23:43: aww i was hoping fer hair more along the lines of the original like... 5 spikes fer the head. lol ah well.. not bad, though the front/top spikes need to be a bit longer.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-16 20:14:23: Quote from: timu sumisu on 2009-01-16 19:23:43
aww i was hoping fer hair more along the lines of the original like... 5 spikes fer the head. lol ah well.. not bad, though the front/top spikes need to be a bit longer.

That's for the Classic Cloud model I'll make, but due to certain circumstances, I can't work on that until after February 8th.
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-01-16 21:47:59: i believe APZ is now past the stage of needing referance for the body. pretty much all he has to do now is add texture to the hair, and he's done.

and, also, that looks like almost he exact same model you posted a while back, which has stolen textures, i believe from apz' old cloud...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: squallff8 on 2009-01-17 00:46:52: Whooou!That hiar and face looks fantastic!Can't wait to see the textured!!!AAhh!
Man,don't you have any plan to rebuil other characters in future,like classic Tifa,or Barret,Vincent???
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: shazman1984 on 2009-01-17 01:46:32: Excellent job man, You are very talented brother. Hats off.
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-17 07:46:38: Thank you, Thank you folks! :-D

Wow, I grossly underestimated my prediction on how many polys this will be. All the poly are now completed and it turned out to be 5540 polygons! I guessed something around 4000. Way off! At least I don't have anybody to answer to or really any limits set by anybody, but damn! It takes practice to see things like this. Oh well!

I don't think I'll be doing any other characters, I'd like to. But I simply don't have the time, I'm a Full-Time Student and I work a Full-Time job. Not possible unless I were to win the lottery or something.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP17.jpg)

It's taking longer than I expected, but that's what I get for an hour here and there. Almost there, I unwrapped the UVs for the hair now all I have left is to draw the texture for the hair and chop Cloud up and import him into FFVIIPC. I'll try to go as fast as I can, but I gotta get some sleep!

edit: Of course after posting this picture I noticed some areas where I can trim some polys off. I'll get to that after the texture!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: One-Winged Angel on 2009-01-17 19:28:20: Superb modeling! You definatly have talent in modeling! I cannot wait for this release!
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-17 19:57:07: i know its a lot, but i'd suggest you try to do other characters if ever you can find a little time, even if it wouldnt be done for a long time. One awesome model deserves a cast of characters :P.
If you can't its understandable, but even if in many months or a year er more, it'd be nice to see more characters released.
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Post by: bishmanrock on 2009-01-17 21:16:34: I think it's a bit unfair to ask you to try any of the other characters, you've already given your reasons. If you ever find yourself sat about twiddling your thumbs though, it'd be the most amazing thing ever.

Focusing on the real though, this is still amazing and I can't wait to see it in action.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-18 05:14:27: ~*////---ALL DONE!---\\\\*~

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP18.jpg)
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-18 05:25:32: congratz, looks fine, 'm eager to plop it in mah game.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: polaris_027 on 2009-01-18 08:17:26: wow..superb job there man..hands down to you! haha
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-01-18 11:52:14: Wow. this really does look absolutely astounding. thank you SO much apz, for putting all this dedication into a brilliant piece of genius like thisÂ :-D
this really has turned out much better than i thought. so hats off. *starts to cry*
how long would it take you to do a professional job of chibi-fication?

EDIT: oh, and when this is done, would it be okay to convert it using lgptools so i can screw around with it in a 3d editor? its ok if you'd prefer it untouched :D
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Post by: One-Winged Angel on 2009-01-18 14:09:46: The finished model looks stunning! The UV Mapping looks superb. This looks professional Apz, this should definatly be in your portfolio!
I'm in the midst of making a model for my college assignment in Maya, and its a pretty lengthy process, so congrats!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: oraclex on 2009-01-18 20:03:53: holy #### Thats great!!!

wait no... THAT SUPER!!!

time for some vids :D
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Post by: ultima espio on 2009-01-18 20:47:37: :-o :-o :-o :-o There's no words to describe this...i'm just wowed by it's awesomeness.
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Post by: Izban on 2009-01-18 23:08:37: looks great can't wait till a release
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-19 01:25:57: It's gettin there, just a few kinks I gotta work out.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP19.jpg)

Not quite sure why the sword isn't working. I don't know if it's the texture or what. But I'll figure it out somehow.(I edited this picture afterwards and forgot to alter the text) ----[[[[~~Not to mention but, did you see Barrets missing beard? Can't figure that one out either and I even remade his texture and everything~~]]]]---- Oh well... Who cares! Plus I gotta few body parts to rotate, but overall, this Cloud looks WAY better in game than that KH ripoff I did! :-D

But I can't promise a chibi field model until after February 8th. I'm drawing a manga and me and my friend are gonna sell it at an anime convention while I'm dressed as Zack :wink: I'll post pictures!

And again, I'm glad you guys appreciate me. While doing it I wonder, who gives a crap? Well... I do! And I'm not the only one! So Thanks :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-19 01:51:58: looks pretty good, the face works rly well ingame. i'm not an expert at sticking models in the game, but frmo the victory stance i can see that the arm goes too far back in that shot.. duno what can be done to fix that, as the position seems fine in the omnislash shot... also what do you mean about barrets beard?
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Post by: LimitBreak on 2009-01-19 03:45:11: Wow, FF7 is able to use models that are that detailed?!

Any plans for....... say.............. Tifa or Red XIII? :D Yea, yea, I know it's unfair to ask about something like that. :P

Man, I wish I knew how to do this stuff!
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Post by: Olie on 2009-01-19 04:51:52: thats so awesome, definatly not going to play though again until i get that model in my game. u got mad skillz :)
this + the muisc remasterd will be so epic feel like a whole new game.
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Post by: One-Winged Angel on 2009-01-19 06:40:10: Everything looks fine in that shot Timu, the anatomy looks perfect, because he's ment to be showing part of his chest through the ends of his top, looks A Okay to me ;). I must say, the quality of this is darn good! Looks like an unreal game now or something! Amazing Apz :D
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Post by: Rurounin on 2009-01-19 06:46:58: Friggin' sweet model, haven't bothered playing with any mods yet as i figured i'd wait till there was a complete pack available (that and tall models on a chibi plane distracts too much for me to see it as an improvement), but seeing this i don't think i will be able to keep away, especially not if a chibi version is on the horizon too.

I'm amazed something that good looking even works in this old engine, good thing they didn't put a cap on the textures.
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-19 10:57:43: Quote from: timu sumisu on 2009-01-19 01:51:58
also what do you mean about barrets beard?

This!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Barretbeard.jpg)

Also I noticed something interesting.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/DissidiaComparison.jpg)

Although mine's more slightly tilted downward, otherwise, damn! Pretty close, I must be doing pretty good then!
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Post by: shazman1984 on 2009-01-19 12:26:09: yours looks better.
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Post by: squallff8 on 2009-01-19 13:04:39: COMPLETE VERSION AWESOME! :-o
THANK YOU,MAN! It's soo cool!!!
I'm still hope that you make other characters,some day :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: ultima espio on 2009-01-19 14:57:44: :-o :-o :-o I'm going to go look for a tutorial for this, because you sir have really motivated me to make my own! It's so awesome :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-01-19 14:58:13: to be honest, i be VERY happy if they used something like this in an FF7 remake. normaly, they use teams to power the model out, but you did it all on your own. utter, complete perfection. cannot WAIT to use this.
Quote from: Apz Freak
I must be doing pretty good then!
The question is, "pretty good", or "super ownage Perfection in a jar"

lol @ barret though :P

EDIT: also, i agree, yours is way better than the Dissidia one :D
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Post by: Alkor on 2009-01-19 18:46:33: ultima espio
MB u do other characters? :roll:
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Post by: LimitBreak on 2009-01-20 01:17:30: Wow, yours does look better. But then again I guess I still like the classic Cloud a whole lot better than his remakes (maybe it's nostalgia).
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Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-01-20 01:24:10: If you're talking about Cloud's look in the Compilation of FF7, I don't think it's nostalgia. No, he's been much too girly recently; Cloud is supposed to be a badass :mrgreen:
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Post by: LeeHiOoO on 2009-01-20 01:58:19: @ APZ:

About Barret's beard. It's just me or he lost his mouth too? Or this or he is doing a extremelly weird expression that his mouth has gone somewhere else that I can't figure it out.

@ LKM:

I noticed that too... Cloud's got a chick's face... he's not looking so tough anymore in recents compilations...
Guess he's getting used to Miss Cloud .. lol
Anyway... I'm rather see a 'pimped up' high detailed 'girly' Cloud.. than the original lack of details tough one.
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-21 05:15:16: Alright I'm ALMOST done getting it ready for distribution. I'm fine tuning a few things but here's some tasty screenshots for ya! :wink:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot1.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot1.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot2.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot2.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot3.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot3.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot4.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot4.jpg)

Oh and thank you guys for thinking my Cloud's better than Dissidia. I respectfully disagree of course, 8-) because it's a game with lots of limits like texture size and polycount, the difference is both stylistic and structural. I just made Cloud to form more of a union to the original in-game Cloud and the new continuity Cloud. Dissidia's Cloud looks like a direct shot at making a full 3D version of the Cloud menu avatar in the original game. For that I squeal in happiness!

But all that aside I am proud of my Cloud and I will generate several versions from him in time to come.

Enjoy these screenshots for now, I'll need some time to finish putting the finishing touch to him.

I thank you all for your earnestness and your gratitude, I almost wouldn't believe I'd receive such intelligent and constructive feedback on the internet these days, and for that I thank you! (you too timu :roll: )
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-21 05:27:07: particularly from the pic with 6 shots, the one on the bottom right, the legs look off, perhaps raising the body from the groin peice upwards and leavin the legs where they are (just a small heigh adjustment) could help. also the hands in the casting pose like strange on the inside.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-21 07:02:55: I learned from the other Cloud project that those are things that cannot easily be helped. That way the animation pieces rotate and the length of the bones don't lend themselves easily to fix proportionate problems like this. But trust me though, this is a HUGE improvement over the KH ripp off one. It looked way worse in game, especially for those issues.

Remember, most of the time the camera is far enough away that any detail is just a few pixels on screen. Moving a part may fix the way it looks for one animation, but it makes it look worse for another animation. I tried to find the gentle average so that things look more natural. The KH ripp off gave me allot of experience with this issue.

As far as the wrists go, that's just a hasty attempt to cap the hole left after removing the hand, and you only see that for a second so it's not really a big deal.

(although now that I think of it, I made these screenshots before some more bending tweaking and rescaling so it's not as noticeable now, but still there)

All things considered, he's mightily awesome and animates better with this model than I thought he would. Even with those flaws it's pretty damn cool!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Olie on 2009-01-21 08:37:57: idk but i think i like the original hair better for some reason... the original dosent look as good not a chance but the original hair had something about it.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: squallff8 on 2009-01-21 12:52:18: I like COMPLETELY like this model!I like everything in it!Face,Hair,Hands,belt...everything is PERFECT! :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: koral on 2009-01-21 14:16:07: Totally aweome work! Thankyou so much for doing this for everyone, your Cloud is seriously too cool for words :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-21 14:50:17: i think ye should rotate the head so he's looking slightly higher, not a lot, but it looks like he's tilted down right now.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: bishmanrock on 2009-01-21 16:56:00: On the left arm, is that a shadow texture on the upper part? Because it's part of the texture it looks weird that it's in the same position when it's moving about, might be best without. Maybe it's just me.

Aside from that, this is pretty much nailed to perfection I'd say! Good work.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Amrita on 2009-01-21 23:06:58: Astounding. Simply astounding. To me it looks perfect! Great work.
I can't find anything to criticise. Nothing, nada.

It would be awesome to rehaul FF7 models like that. While the Rebirth Project is also a very nice attempt, it stayed true to FF7's graphics.
But this here... Well, I'd call it worthy enough for a remake.

Now I wonder if there's any way to modify spell effects and stuff like that in any way. It would make one hell of an awesome Omni Slash.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: proJ3CHT on 2009-01-22 01:07:03: Take a bow APZ, Take a bow,

i fink i speak for evry1 on this topic that your spare time and hours gone into this work will be infinitley appreciated bro

jus one question (or perhaps this doubles as request :P), will you be includin your magnificent buster sword model on the back of clouds field model? your buster sword version is probably the best iv seen anywhere and really stays true to the advent children/ crisis core design.

i fink that, wud be the cherry, on top of the other cherry on top the cake lol

but truly astoundin work bro thankyou
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Otokoshi on 2009-01-22 03:23:38: Quote from: TH3 PROJ3CT
will you be includin your magnificent buster sword model on the back of clouds field model?

Eat your cake early, he already released the Buster Sword.

Link (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=7451.0)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Olie on 2009-01-22 03:41:32: Quote from: Otokoshi on 2009-01-22 03:23:38
Quote from: TH3 PROJ3CT
will you be includin your magnificent buster sword model on the back of clouds field model?

Eat your cake early, he already released the Buster Sword.

Link (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=7451.0)

lol @ that =]

itll be released sometime soon i cant fkn wait lol
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-22 03:59:24: Quote from: Otokoshi on 2009-01-22 03:23:38
Quote from: TH3 PROJ3CT
will you be includin your magnificent buster sword model on the back of clouds field model?

Eat your cake early, he already released the Buster Sword.

Link (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=7451.0)

Yes well... (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot3.jpg)

I wouldn't try combining it separately, it didn't seem to work that way, it corrupts the texture, but he has it anyway so no one has to worry!

Quote from: bishmanrock on 2009-01-21 16:56:00
On the left arm, is that a shadow texture on the upper part? Because it's part of the texture it looks weird that it's in the same position when it's moving about, might be best without. Maybe it's just me.

That's in the texture, it's been fixed now!

Just alittle bit longer! :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-01-22 04:02:30: got a theorized eta to release?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Olie on 2009-01-22 11:41:10: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-01-22 03:59:24
Just alittle bit longer! :lol:

omfg

heres a cookie for your good work (http://infinitejestchallenge.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/chocolate_chip_cookie.jpg)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Omegaplex on 2009-01-22 15:00:00: You're truly a talented individual! I was curious as to how far you'd be taking this project. Could we possibly expect the other main characters to eventually receive this amazing treatment or will Cloud and Sephiroth be the extent of it?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-01-22 15:11:19: He said he's gonna do a few forms of cloud and thats it. I dont think he's going to do sephiroth...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: proJ3CHT on 2009-01-22 15:56:46: Quote from: Otokoshi on 2009-01-22 03:23:38
Quote from: TH3 PROJ3CT
will you be includin your magnificent buster sword model on the back of clouds field model?

Eat your cake early, he already released the Buster Sword.

Link (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=7451.0)

Otokoshi, i have his buster model what i ment was will clouds field model have the buster on his back simikar to the NPC reconstruction project cloud does but with APZ buster texture on the back instead.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-01-22 17:28:35: When I get around to the field model, but I'm too tied up to do that yet, wait until after February 8th! I'm not particular to putting the Buster Sword on his back, but when i do all the Cloud field forms (there's 10) you can use the files from the sword model and rig that up yourself. But I'm doing everything presented as in the original only with a better model.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: proJ3CHT on 2009-01-22 17:58:40: oooooooooook now i get ya soz i didnt quite understand ya earlia but it's kool though it's gonna look sweet no matter what the sword on his back would have a nice personal touch but with all your time invested in this great work i really don't think i have any right to ask any more of you lol
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Olie on 2009-01-27 10:12:23: omfg the suspense of waiting..........i so hope it gets released tomrow, lol
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Ryu88Master on 2009-01-29 21:35:33: wow this is amazing, you're the best mod maker EVER! this is legendary you know how long i've been waiting for this moments, God you're the best

APZ OWNINGG!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Olie on 2009-01-31 13:18:33: release dates? lmao i been checking everyday >.<
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: One-Winged Angel on 2009-02-01 10:14:00: I think he plans on releasing after 8th of Feburary, since he stated he was busy...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Olie on 2009-02-01 10:28:06: Quote from: One-Winged Angel on 2009-02-01 10:14:00
I think he plans of releasing after 8th of Feburary, since he stated he was busy...

lol my bad i dont exactly read the entire thread or some posts to lazy i should imo makes me look like an idiot :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: spidergaby on 2009-02-01 15:22:03: you can give the Cloud model in 3DS format, please :-)

PS: awesome work !!!!!!!!!!! :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Prince Lex on 2009-02-01 23:20:33: Just wanted to say I'm really excited about this release, I can't wait to implement it in my own game!

Alex
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Olie on 2009-02-08 07:27:53: yay its hsould be ready for downloading today...unless he lies :-o
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Dearh on 2009-02-08 16:25:28: my friend can you realese two version of your model?I wanted to see how the perfect body you made is with original cloud's face high quality version(last ballte vith sephiroth)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-02-08 16:37:17: Quote from: Olie on 2009-02-08 07:27:53
yay its hsould be ready for downloading today...unless he lies :-o

He said:

Quote from: apz freak
wait until after February 8th!

So we might have to wait a little longer, although the hard part is certainly done.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: JordieBo on 2009-02-08 23:19:59: Quote from: Dearh on 2009-02-08 16:25:28
my friend can you realese two version of your model?I wanted to see how the perfect body you made is with original cloud's face high quality version(last ballte vith sephiroth)

It would most probably look very odd, first of all because the texturing will be different, and two, the models aren't exactly the same style.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: proJ3CHT on 2009-02-09 08:15:47: cant wait for this, anyone have any ideas how to install this though, as iin, will it be simple copy pastle in folder or compile with lgp or summit even more complex?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-02-09 08:47:41: Okay, I haven't really had any sleep in two weeks. I have no idea how i'm still going. but it's all over now! I was selling anime art prints and posters for my fan manga I'm drawing at a japanese anime convention. Allot of work!

Any who, I'll try and put something together tomorrow after I've rested and had time to even look at my computer for the first time in a while.
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Post by: proJ3CHT on 2009-02-09 11:32:51: soundz kool itz good to hear from ya. you thinking of sharing your picz from the convention (partically your zack costume ;))

wudnt mind seeing your anime prints either, was thinkin of doing one a lil while ago but didn get round thinking how to do it :S
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-02-10 08:45:24: Well here's the moment you've all been waiting for!!! And WOW 7485 views of this thread by now. I'm sure that means most of you have been checking it more than once and that's how those numbers have gotten so high :? I dunno.... but what I do know is:

~*//DOWNLOAD HERE:\\*~

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/ApzCloudDownload.jpg) (http://files.filefront.com/apzcloudzip/;13256302;/fileinfo.html)

I also edited the first post in this thread with this to make it easier to find. I'll spend some time later to make it a prettier thread opener.

p.s. If you're interested in my fan manga FULL METAL AVATAR check out our website: http://www.endcomics.com/

but sadly, my Zack costume never got near completion. It's perfect from the waist down, but no harness, no shoulder armor. But I did wear my Jack Sparrow costume, and Link, and both were very popular and I posed for several pro photographers (Not for Link but for Jack) I'll post those up here once those guys upload them to the net or I can find them. (Jeez like every 2 seconds I was getting hugs from girls and snapped pictures when I was Jack, nobody cared for Link!)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: themateoflink on 2009-02-10 09:14:12: Great job, putting it in the game right away. And nice one on the Jack Sparrow photos, shame Link got no love ;.;
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-02-10 09:24:23: I'm using it now! :wink: And if I may be so ungrateful (:P), are you still working on the other models, or have you decided to call it a day (i'm sure no-one would blame you for doing so.
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Post by: Thycian on 2009-02-10 09:43:24: Thank you very much!!!!!!

It's great! I like your style to fit the new models in the old system. This is the way I would do it, if I had your talent.

One question: Do you think you will do a field model too? Like we can see it in your other thread: http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=7451.0 (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=7451.0). The Chibi style without sword.

greetings
Thycian
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Prince Lex on 2009-02-10 12:29:00: This is amazing, its an excellent version of Cloud, I'm using it now.

Are you planning to do this for field?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-02-10 15:09:03: Yes all the different Chibi's are next. And after that, Classic Cloud.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-02-10 15:59:26: i am SOOO happy the time has finally come! *downloads*

thanks apz
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Post by: bishmanrock on 2009-02-10 16:54:56: This is so amazing like, well done
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Post by: squallff8 on 2009-02-10 18:29:52: Whaaaaahoooo!!!Thanx man!It's sooo great!!!It's awesome! :lol:

BTW...I have a little request:Can you release 2 version of field model:1Chibi version; 2 Battle-look model for Phoenix Rejuvenation Project ???? :?

THank you!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: NameSpoofer on 2009-02-10 19:44:01: Congratulations mate! Very nice!!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: JordieBo on 2009-02-10 22:06:25: Hey, a word of advice.
On the first post could you put that this comes WITH your Buster Sword, cause I spent AGES trying to find which file was the buster sword until I realised it came with the model ><
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BloodShot on 2009-02-10 23:03:43: I just tried it out now, amazingly awesome.

No doubt your Classic Cloud will be amazing, and the best of them all (I love classic hair the best)

By the way, in regards to field models, are you making normal sized versions (like battle) for field, because i use all the updated models that are regular size instead of chibi (makes me feel like i'm playing a remake), because it would be really wierd having everyone normal sized, then a chibi Cloud lol. (no pressure)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: -Ric- on 2009-02-11 01:35:40: looks rly nice but i believe there's a little bug, when could gets affected by "poison" instead of the char glowing green, the sword does :? is this a bug or its just happening to me?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-02-11 11:30:14: Yeah, I have no idea how to fix that!I handled the sword the exact same way I handled the body. My theory is that RTAD is set to not flicker like that but any other texture is. To fix that I'd have to delete rtac and use rtae as the texture for Cloud. But I don't think it's necessary unless enough people find it a problem.

But in any case: Shadow Cloud

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudShadowCloud.jpg)

I don't know what to do with it, include it in a download? Edit the main download to include this alternate texture? I dunno. But it's fun! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Celestial Star on 2009-02-11 11:43:13: Hi.
Your model is really excellent, thanks so much.
I have downloaded your files and I'm using those. But I find out Cloud model in the last battle with Sephiroth is still the old model, not your APZ Freak Model (I meant the battle 1 vs 1 and Cloud will use Omnislash to finish Sephiroth). Can you change that model to your perfect model.
Thank for reading.
Waiting for your response.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: One-Winged Angel on 2009-02-11 11:49:40: Superb! Aside from the small issues, it fits right in! Thanks for all the hard work APZ ;)
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Post by: -Ric- on 2009-02-11 18:27:17: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-02-11 11:30:14
Yeah, I have no idea how to fix that!I handled the sword the exact same way I handled the body. My theory is that RTAD is set to not flicker like that but any other texture is. To fix that I'd have to delete rtac and use rtae as the texture for Cloud. But I don't think it's necessary unless enough people find it a problem.

But in any case: Shadow Cloud

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudShadowCloud.jpg)

I don't know what to do with it, include it in a download? Edit the main download to include this alternate texture? I dunno. But it's fun! :-D
well aint much of a big deal, actualy i even like it. i always found the chars turning green and orange etc kinda annoying lol
what do u think of putting that shadow cloud on the final battle? (the one where its the high-res cloud) just an idea lol :-D

once again, great work! this cloud rocks!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-02-11 19:03:18: Quote from: Ganzaa on 2009-02-11 01:35:40
looks rly nice but i believe there's a little bug, when could gets affected by "poison" instead of the char glowing green, the sword does :? is this a bug or its just happening to me?

Hmmm, my Cloud glows green when he's poisoned, but not his Buster Sword (but the other swords do). Strange...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: DarkVenomandCarnage on 2009-02-11 20:50:57: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-02-11 11:30:14
Yeah, I have no idea how to fix that!I handled the sword the exact same way I handled the body. My theory is that RTAD is set to not flicker like that but any other texture is. To fix that I'd have to delete rtac and use rtae as the texture for Cloud. But I don't think it's necessary unless enough people find it a problem.

But in any case: Shadow Cloud

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudShadowCloud.jpg)

I don't know what to do with it, include it in a download? Edit the main download to include this alternate texture? I dunno. But it's fun! :-D
I can't wait to get my own computer... *Drools over better Cloud and Shadow Cloud*
Any chance of say... Vincent? I would love to see all the characters, could really be a start for the best "user remake" yet!
EDIT: How about making a boss fight with Dark Cloud... Hmmmmmmmmmmm..........
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: squallff8 on 2009-02-11 22:35:16: Wow! :-o Great dark side of Cloud!!
Maybe you'll make some kind of new Lmit Break??Like Anti-Sora Form in KH :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Olie on 2009-02-12 09:00:09: fuck i hate filefront, just tells me the file is un-avalible....cant u use something decent..like rs, mu or some shit.. jeez
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: JordieBo on 2009-02-12 12:37:26: Quote from: DarkVenomandCarnage on 2009-02-11 20:50:57
I can't wait to get my own computer... *Drools over better Cloud and Shadow Cloud*
Any chance of say... Vincent? I would love to see all the characters, could really be a start for the best "user remake" yet!
EDIT: How about making a boss fight with Dark Cloud... Hmmmmmmmmmmm..........

Well, maybe APZ could make the final battle a bit more epic? You fly down to sephiroth and everytime you hit him he changes character, for example
Nudey Sephiroth, you hit him,
Turns into Dark Aerith, hit her,
Turns into Dark Tifa, hit her, does it for the other party members.
Then into Dark Cloud, hit him,
Then back into Nudey Sephiroth, who then has that strange HNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! Spazzm and dies.
Then, TADA, GAME COMPLETED! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Otokoshi on 2009-02-12 19:39:31: Quote from: Olie
f*** i hate filefront, just tells me the file is un-avalible....cant u use something decent..like rs, mu or some sh*t.. jeez

There are more polite ways to ask for another hosting option. I know if someone asked me the way you just "asked", I wouldn't be quick to go through the trouble for you. Just because your anonymous and on the internet, doesn't mean you should throw your manners out.

Quote from: DarkVenomandCarnage
How about making a boss fight with Dark Cloud... Hmmmmmmmmmmm..........

I thought it may be neat to incorporate him during Cloud's inner conflict (you know when he goes crazy in the islands). Maybe replace one of the boss fights with this dark cloud.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-02-13 02:31:07: Well I dunno about all of that. :| Alls I'm doing is replacing the models! I'm still basically a noob! Switching models is all I can do. Shadow Cloud will just be a texture swap. Just rename the new rtac file. :-D i think I'll throw in come other palette swap tex's just for fun and variety.

The Final Battle is easy to fix yourself, just copy the main Cloud's files and rename all the rt's in the file names to si's. But I'll definitely fix that and re-upload the download. But! The final battle Cloud will have a new head in a more exaggerated angry expression.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/AngryCloud.jpg)

And I don't have a problem with downloading from file-front it works for me and the computers I tested it on. But I think I can mirror the download on some other site. It won't happen right away, but it's something for me to think about.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Shuffle on 2009-02-13 06:01:59: hello, apz freak. What do you think about small model of Cloud? dont battle model
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Post by: cloud1414 on 2009-02-13 06:04:30: He already said he will be working on the other models when he gets time :)
So just be patient :P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: spidergaby on 2009-02-13 17:33:41: Can you send your model in .3ds format or .obj format please :-) ?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: koral on 2009-02-14 09:37:20: wow, thankyou for this Cloud, its super cool! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: birdparade on 2009-02-14 16:41:44: awesome. :mrgreen:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-02-15 21:44:50: Hey, apz freak, is it possible to get the undivided version of the model in a normal file format? Myself and i'm sure a lot of other people would like to mess around with it for fun. The Divided version's no fun, and it looks weird when animating it xD
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x74/beefpwnage/lolcloud.png
That would actually look epic if it wasnt all cut up, lol.
anyway, up to you Apz, but it'd be awesome if we could have the model :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-02-17 02:57:12: But before I potentially offend some people, let me just say....

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really, it's all for you guys. Why even do it in the first place if nobody gave a sh*t? Thanks guys! You're the reason I did this! :wink:

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Thanks for being interested, but sorry. I will NOT release the undivided Cloud. :-( Sorry for being a d**k about that.

The reason why is because it'll make it THAT much easier for people to steal it, modify it, and release it as their own. It happens all the time! Maybe not on this board, but being a trained artist and being taught by professionals in the field, you kinda pickup that instinct.

It's not that I demonize anybody who does that. You're no different than I! :wink: But really.. Alls I'm trying to say is, that if you're determined enough, you can build your own. There's allot of learning that you need to do, but it CAN be done. See, I did it! :-) If you can get my model into your own 3D modeler program of choice, I encourage you to use it as a template to build your own creations. Learn from it, the techniques the way it's put together. I learned from the Kingdom Hearts models, and that's what I used to help me build my model!

If that makes me a d**k, I'm sorry. If it makes you feel any better I've done my fair share of asking THE EXACT SAME THING before (Non FFVII related) So it's not that I'm some stuck up artist who thinks my farts don't stink :-P I just wanted something, so in order to get it, I learned how to do it myself. It's that simple. Just a regular guy! :-)

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On another note NeoCloudstrife. It's kinda funny you posted that picture. I've been slacking to rig my Cloud to makes those exact same poses :roll: But what I'm doing is repainting the textures so that there's less painted on shadow. That way I can use the shadow of the model and have it look more dynamic. Then I have to character rig Cloud (I'm the opposite of an expert on that!) But I want to make awesome pictures like my KH ripped Cloud, but even better now that I have some more graphic design experience.

Incidentally, I find your picture intriguing because it shows me just how correct my hair model is, I didn't really pay that much attention when making it, I spent more time just putting it together than making it look right!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_HeavyRollingWeb.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/HeavyRollingWeb.jpg)

(Yes that's me on the left! I'm not that short, that guy's just 6'4)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: dark angel on 2009-02-19 01:14:41: how is he going to turn into shadow cloud limit break???
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-02-19 02:01:33: Like I said, all I know how to do is to switch the models out. That's it! If one of you can figure out a way to do that, go ahead! :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: dark angel on 2009-02-23 23:27:34: u should get a team r something to help u out
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jamers on 2009-02-26 02:28:19: Great work! I'm using your model in my current game, and I like it a lot. The detail on the Buster Sword is particularly nice.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 18:17:33: Salut je sai pa si une p perssone va mcomprendre lol mais bon jdemande quan meme ou telecharger lgp tools vu ke jai vu ki faler lgp tools pour le mod clad (ps3)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 18:28:36: Where to dowlnoad lGP TOOLS? :?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 18:52:04: On peut les telecharger ici (http://www.sylphds.net/f2k3/programs/lgptools/lgptools160.zip).
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 19:01:27: Merci beaucoup je vai voir^^
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 19:04:09: Sa me demande de telecharger ficedulla.ddl ou pourai-je le telecharger?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 19:07:18: Where to dowlnoad ficedula.ddl?

Desoler je n'avai pas vu qu'il y avait ''modify''
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 19:08:09: Ici (http://www.sylphds.net/f2k3/programs/ficelib/ficelib151a.zip). Il y a des autres programmes de Ficedula a son site web:

http://www.sylphds.net/f2k3/index.html

Et utilisez le bouton "modify" au lieu de faire des posts consecutives, s'il vous plait.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 19:27:28: Je ne parle pas beaucoup anglais, jai reussis Ã telecharger ficedula et LPG TOOLS mais le ''Readme'' du mod clad ps3 ''apzcloud"" jai un peu de mal Ã comprendre =/

Une perssone pourai m'aider?
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Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 19:33:04: Je ne parle pas beaucoup Francais, mais peut-etre je vous peux aider :-P

Est-que vous ne pouvez pas compredre le readme des lgp tools ou le readme d'Apz Cloud porject?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 19:33:35: I don't understand readme Apzcloud ^^

*(1) Make sure to download LPG Tools!!! Open battle.lpg and dump the contents into a temporary separate folder. Let's call it the "Battle Contents" folder.

*(2) Copy the APZ Cloud files from this download and paste them into the "Battle Contents" folder. Let the files overwrite.

*(3) Use LPG Tool's 'Create' function and select the "Battle Contents" folder you extracted earlier. This will create a new .LPG archive. Name the new LPG 'battle.lpg'

*(4) Make sure the original battle.lpg is backed up, and copy the new battle.lpg over the previous one in the 'Final Fantasy VII/Data/Battle' folder.

*(5)Make a sandwhich and enjoy!

Traduction?lol
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Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 19:52:06: I see. I'll try to translate the "how to install" part into (very bad) French. Perhaps it will be harder to understand than the English :-P

If there are any native French speakers, perhaps they could help?

*(1) ~~Telecharger lgp tools~~. Utilisez les LGP tools pour ouvrir "battle.lgp" et mettez les contenus dans un autre dossier qu'on peut appeler "battle contents".

*(2) Copiez les APZ Cloud fichiers et les mettez dans le dossier "battle contents".

*(3) Utilisez la fonction "create" des LGP tools, selectionnez la dossier "battle contents". Ce va creer un nouveu .lgp fichier, qu'on doit appeler battle.lgp.

*(4) On doit creeer une sauvegarde de l'original fichier battle.lgp, et copiez le nouveau fichier battle.lgp dans le dossier 'Final Fantasy VII/Data/Battle'.

*(5) On doit faire un sandwich, et s'amuser!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 20:03:25: J"ai essayer mais quan un combat se lance lecran res te noir sa fai un message d'erreur :|
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Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 20:14:49: Qu'est-ce que c'est la taille du fichier battle.lgp dans la "Final Fantasy VII/Data/Battle"?

Elle devrait etre environ 63MB.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 20:16:46: Aten tien mon msn => [email protected]

sa ira plu vite pour parler^^
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Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 20:19:51: Malheureusment je n'ai pas MSN :oops:

Et parce que le Francais n'est pas ma langue maternelle, je ne peux pas parler tres vitement. :-P
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Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 20:26:42: le dossier fai une taille de 60 867 ko =/
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 20:38:24: Alors, mon unmodifiÃ© fichier c'est 60MB, donc je pense que vous avez tout copiÃ©.

Hmm, je ne sais pas la cause de la probleme, desolÃ©. :oops:

Est-ce que vous avez copiÃ© seulment les fichiers dans la dossier "APZ cloud" qui est dans le plus grand fichier "apz cloud"? Il doit qu'on copier seulment ceux fichers pour mettre dans le fichier .lgp

Je ne vois pas d'autre raison pour votre probleme.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 20:44:21: Bon dabor jai crÃ¨Ã¨ un fichier ''battle contents'' ensuite jai copier les fichier de ''battle lgp'' dans le fichier ''battle contents'' jai copier les fichier de ''apzcloud'' dans ''battle content'' jai fai ''create'' lgp tools battle contents et je lai apelÃ¨ battle.lgp mai le fichier Ã la fin fai soi 60 866 ko soi 60 867 =/
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 20:57:29: Ahh, je pense que je compris. Donc je vais essayer a mieux expliquer:

Il faut utilisez le fonction "Extr. all" des lgp tools pour mettre les contenus du battle.lgp dans "battle contents", copier aussi les fichers dans apscloud/APZ cloud (dont les noms sont "rtaa"-"rtda") dans "battle contens" et remplacer les anciens fichier dont les noms sont rtaa-rtda. Ensuite, utilisez le fonction "create" des lgp tools pour creer un nouveau fichier "battle.lgp".

Si vous avez sauvegardÃ© votre unmodifiÃ© battle.lgp, l'utilisez pour extraire les fichiers. Si vous avez des fichiers dans "battle contents" dont le nom n'est pas quatre lettres comme "aaaa", le "battle.lgp" ne va pas fonctionner.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 21:07:47: je sui entrin de copier les fichier battle .lgp de 1 a 11119 bloc dans battle contents la^^
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 21:14:31: Mon fichier fai maintenan 61 133 ko je vai essayer.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 21:19:58: Alors, disez moi si le jeu fontionner en combat
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 21:27:39: Le combat se lance mai le jeu reste figer je redemare alor =/

Je ne compren pas le probleme dis tu pourai faire une video de comment tu instale le mod cloud project?

Sur you tube ou f faire sa en image sur se site.

Se serait :-D sympa^^
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-03-06 22:13:38: Je n'ai pas de temps pour faire un video, mais peut-etre ces images vont vous aider:

Extracting the files from unmodified battle.lgp (http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5892/apzmod.jpg)

battlecontents folder now (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7254/apzmod2.jpg)

Copying the file from the APZ cloud folder (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1445/apzmod3.jpg)

Copying them into battle contents (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4511/apzmod4.jpg)

The battle contents folder with the Apz cloud files (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9594/apzmod5.jpg)

Creating the new .lgp file with LGP tools (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1158/apzmod6.jpg)

Putting them into the game's data files (http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7605/apzmod7.jpg)

C'est tout que je peut fait aujourd'hui. Bonne nuit. :mrgreen:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 22:22:27: Bonne nuit leighos je vai voir si ji arrive.
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Post by: Nexus on 2009-03-06 22:42:02: Je lai clad sa iet merci leighos^^
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Post by: polaris_027 on 2009-03-07 04:54:48: ukinnayu mga gagu!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-03-07 08:32:09: Sorry that I wasn't clearer! Thanks Leighos Kudistos Megistos for helping out. I appreciate it! :-D

Thank you!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: dm251 on 2009-03-08 04:59:23: Quote from: polaris_027 on 2009-03-07 04:54:48
ukinnayu mga gagu!

hahah natawa ako dito.. LOL,,

Bdw, I followed the things needed to be followed..
But the field moDEL!! Its still looks the same..
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: polaris_027 on 2009-03-08 13:45:25: Quote from: dm251 on 2009-03-08 04:59:23
Quote from: polaris_027 on 2009-03-07 04:54:48
ukinnayu mga gagu!

hahah natawa ako dito.. LOL,,

Bdw, I followed the things needed to be followed..
But the field moDEL!! Its still looks the same..

haha kainis eh..di ko maintindihan..haha
gnun lng tlga ung project nya..pang battle models lang..
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: dm251 on 2009-03-12 07:22:11: Quote from: polaris_027 on 2009-03-08 13:45:25
Quote from: dm251 on 2009-03-08 04:59:23
Quote from: polaris_027 on 2009-03-07 04:54:48
ukinnayu mga gagu!

hahah natawa ako dito.. LOL,,

Bdw, I followed the things needed to be followed..
But the field moDEL!! Its still looks the same..

haha kainis eh..di ko maintindihan..haha
gnun lng tlga ung project nya..pang battle models lang..

hahaha.. sabagay, ako rin eh. Di ko maunderstand..
Hayzz.. akala ko may field model to..
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-03-13 08:40:30: I haven't made the field model yet. But I will! :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: polaris_027 on 2009-03-13 10:15:38: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-03-13 08:40:30
I haven't made the field model yet. But I will! :wink:

nice to hear that from you apz! lookin forward to it..heheh
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Post by: Crazy Nova on 2009-03-13 11:55:40: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-03-13 08:40:30
I haven't made the field model yet. But I will! :wink:

no chibi field model plz. :|
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-03-14 03:28:12: Sorry, but I'm making him the same proportions as the original chibi field model.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Thycian on 2009-03-14 08:08:39: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-03-14 03:28:12
Sorry, but I'm making him the same proportions as the original chibi field model.

woooot! Praise apz freak! Can't wait to see it.
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Post by: Crazy Nova on 2009-03-14 13:30:56: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-03-14 03:28:12
Sorry, but I'm making him the same proportions as the original chibi field model.

hahaha you're the boss. life size models never look right on the field. chibi models look more accurate anyway.

looking foward to it at any rate. :-D
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Post by: dm251 on 2009-03-15 03:33:19: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-03-14 03:28:12
Sorry, but I'm making him the same proportions as the original chibi field model.

Wooohooo... Hurray.. LooKing Forward to see it.. :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2009-03-15 17:13:59: Omelette de fromage
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-03-16 03:05:15: Cheese omelet? Sure, I'll go with it! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2009-03-16 04:17:41: Ha! I used to watch the old Dexter's Lab tv show, and theres an epicode where he wants to learn french, so he plays a record overnight, but it gets stuck on Omelette de Fromage, and thats all he can say .... Its pretty funny, kinda an inside joke with my family.... Lol so I thought I'd contribute to your translation lol
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-03-16 05:19:51: Well that's funny because I just thinking about that episode today at work. I even said it a few time to myself! How coincidentally weird huh?
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Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-03-16 14:58:13: o.O off topic much... How's the field model comin apz?
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Post by: BrokenCrowe (Mendelevium) on 2009-04-18 20:29:53: I'm having a lot of trouble making the files work... when i go to overwrite the files as it says in the read me it just copies and overwrites nothing... I'm using vista and the its difficult for me to use a PC I'm such a newb :P
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Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-04-20 01:59:57: i tried this patch on vista but it didnt work and i no i did everything it says to on teh 1st page... but stupid vista! its all weird :-(
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-04-20 03:34:28: Quote from: BrokenCrowe on 2009-04-18 20:29:53
I'm having a lot of trouble making the files work... when i go to overwrite the files as it says in the read me it just copies and overwrites nothing... I'm using vista and the its difficult for me to use a PC I'm such a newb :P

It's supposed to overwrite ALL of Cloud's files. I don't have Vista so I can't really help you there!

Sorry guys! I've been so busy with life I haven't even looked at Cloud in a while, I'll get cracking at all the things I promised soon enough! :wink: But I've just been busy, I thank everybody for not getting all upset at me for that! I want to do it, I haven't abandoned it, I'm just a full-time student with a full-time job with a full-time fiance. It's hard to stay focused!
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Post by: koral on 2009-04-20 22:54:42: It's cool, you dont have to aplogise!
You have already given us a brand-spanking awesome new Cloud model, we can afford to have a little more patience! (but just a little) :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hman242 on 2009-04-26 22:03:52: does this work with the ultimate edition?
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Post by: JordieBo on 2009-04-27 00:34:52: Quote from: Hman242 on 2009-04-26 22:03:52
does this work with the ultimate edition?

Ultima Edition is illegil and is not allowed to be talked about on this forum. End of conversation.
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Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-04-27 19:33:34: how come when i try this mod? the cloud model in battle is missing like almost his whole body? i did everthing the way it said on the readme
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: TLStriker on 2009-04-29 12:53:16: Holy...

Words cannot describe how immaculate this work is. You are a true genius, Apz.

EDIT: Well, when I tried to download it, it said "The page cannot be displayed."

Lots of dead links lately... >_<
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-04-30 04:25:52: Quote from: TLStriker on 2009-04-29 12:53:16
Holy...

Words cannot describe how immaculate this work is. You are a true genius, Apz.

EDIT: Well, when I tried to download it, it said "The page cannot be displayed."

Lots of dead links lately... >_<

Really? I guess filefront went belly-up for real this time! Darn... Anybody got any good ideas for another permanent file housing source?

edit:

"Server maintenance is currently underway. Some files may be unavailable during this time. We apologize for the inconvenience."

That's probably why!
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Post by: squeeble on 2009-04-30 07:37:25: Well I heard filefront actually went into liquidation but you could throw the links up on rapidshare, or megaupload.
Just a suggestion.
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Post by: Aurenasek116 on 2009-04-30 10:13:36: Quote from: squeeble on 2009-04-30 07:37:25
filefront actually went into liquidation

Not at all. It was supposed to be closed by company holding it (Ziff Davis) at 30th of March because of economical crisis, however about 10 hours prior to closing FileFront it was bought from Ziff Davis by it's original owners thus resulting in FileFront not getting closed.
To put it simple: FileFront didn't close, isn't closed now and isn't going to be closed anytime soon.
Stop spreading fake information.
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Post by: TLStriker on 2009-04-30 11:15:00: Hmm... Maybe.

Filefront still seems to be down though. What the hell are they doing? I can't even download Borde's model editor 'cause of this... *sniffle*

EDIT: I'm hungry. Does anyone have pie?

EDIT2: It's workin' now. Yay! Long live APZ!
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Post by: Aurenasek116 on 2009-04-30 18:46:22: Quote from: TLStriker on 2009-04-30 11:15:00
Filefront still seems to be down though. What the hell are they doing?

Not at all, the site works just fine for me. Just some of the files may not work since they are performing regular server maintance. Every hosting company does that every now and then.
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Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-05-01 00:03:06: it seems to work now
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-08 05:34:35: Well at least it's working! But!!!

I'm going to replace that model with an updated one, I made a discovery that Cloud's gloves are NOT symmetrical:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_cloudglove.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/cloudglove.jpg)

There are NO Silver Rivets on the right glove.. and the fingers are a darker grey almost black in comparison to the shiny light grey fingers of the left hand. Wow, Cloud's more detailed than I originally thought! Kudos to Nomura and Square's character design team for crafting such an interesting and seemingly utilitarian outfit. Really, I'm studying character design and it's a deceptively both simple and intricate design. The perfect ratio!

Now, I realize most people wouldn't give a damn! But if you read my long battle with timu sumisu :wink: you'd realize my goal was to create a Cloud that's as close to the canonical version (The new canon) as can possibly be! In almost every picture pose and animation the right hand is obscured from view or only seen from the palm side. Naturally I just thought it was the same on both hands. But it's the action figure I bought that made me rethink my over analysis.

I was working on better hair, it's only interesting from some angles but not perfect. I'll use the crisis core hair model to make it look more like this picture:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_02jhggd.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/02jhggd.jpg)

I know many of you are happy with the hair I made and thats perfectly fine. I will replace the download on the first post of this thread with the updated model, if anybody wants the original (That's still up at the time of this post), shoot me a pm!

p.s.

I also know many of you are screaming silently at me "Finish the other Cloud's you turkey! !@#$%" And other such quiet fury... I'm sorry! I'm compulsive and art school is like art boot camp! I go in for a 4 hours class and by the end of the day I've drawn the same naked person over 30 times! Homework isn't any less time consuming either. I apologize, I know if I were a faithful fan like many of you, I'd want this jerk-off to hurry up as fast as he can! But I'm only human... I WILL do it, it's just a matter of time motivation and procrastination! :roll: I'm sure many of you have had the same problem :-P
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Post by: Grimmy on 2009-05-08 16:37:35: Your situation is totally understandable. Few people realize the commitment and time it takes to do well in studio art classes. I went through it getting my BFA and MFA, but now I seem to have less time a teacher. However you should never feel pressured to do the work your passionate about or you will loose that passion. Take your time do it well, and do it your way. The rest of us can wait. ( I still really want the update ) Your work so far makes you one of the elite modders and faithful fans.
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Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-08 20:33:30: Quote from: grimmy307 on 2009-05-08 16:37:35
Your situation is totally understandable. Few people realize the commitment and time it takes to do well in studio art classes. I went through it getting my BFA and MFA, but now I seem to have less time a teacher. However you should never feel pressured to do the work your passionate about or you will loose that passion. Take your time do it well, and do it your way. The rest of us can wait. ( I still really want the update ) Your work so far makes you one of the elite modders and faithful fans.

Wow! Well thank you quite very much for your understanding and your advice! It's the same advice I give myself of course 8-) , but it's nice to hear it from time to time :wink:

I just have to learn to stop putting more on my plate than I can eat!

In the mean by:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP21.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP21.jpg)
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-05-08 22:20:03: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-08 20:33:30

In the mean by:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP21.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP21.jpg)

Epic. truly, truly epic.
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Post by: Grimmy on 2009-05-08 22:59:37: I made a pretty good Start Menu using your Buster Sword http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/StartScreen.jpg (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/StartScreen.jpg). I've been using it for a couple of months now. Can I release it? If so I'll only include the .tex file with a read me on how to install it. I would like to put it on my vid thread, and call it APZ New Buster Menu or something like that. If you would like to release it on your thread I'll send you the file and read me. Ultimately the choice is yours.
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Post by: knight1120 on 2009-05-09 11:54:51: Quote from: grimmy307 on 2009-05-08 22:59:37
I made a pretty good Start Menu using your Buster Sword http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/StartScreen.jpg (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/StartScreen.jpg). I've been using it for a couple of months now. Can I release it? If so I'll only include the .tex file with a read me on how to install it. I would like to put it on my vid thread, and call it APZ New Buster Menu or something like that. If you would like to release it on your thread I'll send you the file and read me. Ultimately the choice is yours.

wow... i think it look's amazing , please release it or at least send it to me... thanks
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Post by: knight1120 on 2009-05-11 13:24:38: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-08 20:33:30
Quote from: grimmy307 on 2009-05-08 16:37:35
Your situation is totally understandable. Few people realize the commitment and time it takes to do well in studio art classes. I went through it getting my BFA and MFA, but now I seem to have less time a teacher. However you should never feel pressured to do the work your passionate about or you will loose that passion. Take your time do it well, and do it your way. The rest of us can wait. ( I still really want the update ) Your work so far makes you one of the elite modders and faithful fans.

Wow! Well thank you quite very much for your understanding and your advice! It's the same advice I give myself of course 8-) , but it's nice to hear it from time to time :wink:

I just have to learn to stop putting more on my plate than I can eat!

In the mean by:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP21.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP21.jpg)

wow it is the apz cloud model on field mode??? can't wait of releasing that! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-16 08:55:52: Alright, here's the new hair. I decided to use Koral and MrAdults wonderful programs to break open the Crisis Core and Dissidia models. After hours of analyzing and prying I decided my Cloud's hair isn't close enough. So I spent some time re-thinking his whole head. Now it feels more like Cloud! :lol: It helps to have something 3D to turn around to use as reference. I also decided his lips don't need to be modeled, it doesn't really show up in the game signifigantly to really need it. But I could always put them in later if I need to render him out in all his high detailed glory!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Newhair.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Newhair.jpg)

The field model will be the same proportion as the original :| Sorry!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: proJ3CHT on 2009-05-16 15:19:31: looks great!

i beg you to put your buster sword on his back in the complete field model like the NPC reconstructionj style :):)
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Post by: knight1120 on 2009-05-16 15:34:54: wow the new hairstyle is better than the old one, can u post some screenshots later??
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Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-05-16 22:24:14: ya its more spikier, looks nice bro :-)
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Post by: Lionfist on 2009-05-17 00:38:03: Quote from: TH3 PROJ3CT on 2009-05-16 15:19:31
looks great!

i beg you to put your buster sword on his back in the complete field model like the NPC reconstructionj style :):)

i agree on this :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-05-17 02:49:47: totally agree with them there :)
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Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-17 04:05:54: Apz, I don't know if this would be easier or harder, But could you do two releases of the field model? I much like the non chibi field models, If you don't then i understand it is your project after all, Just something i'm sure some of us would like.
Amazing job though my friend, You have the best cloud model i've seen, And you just keep getting better, Kudos :-D
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Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-05-17 11:23:02: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-16 08:55:52
The field model will be the same proportion as the original :| Sorry!
awww......no chibi?
That makes me sad...i probably won't be downloading any more updates if this is the case...
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Post by: AlbusJC on 2009-05-17 11:49:42: It was afraid of me ... ey, apz freak, when you finish your version chibi of cloud, you have thought of converting your version of battle mode to field mode?

I HAVE TRIED to do it for my same but the textures ALWAYS remain in white :? :? ... all that is very complicated but I would like to learn to do it jeje
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Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-17 13:24:39: Quote from: NeoCloudstrife on 2009-05-17 11:23:02
Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-16 08:55:52
The field model will be the same proportion as the original :| Sorry!
awww......no chibi?
That makes me sad...i probably won't be downloading any more updates if this is the case...

He means they will be the same proportion as the original Chibi field models
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-05-17 13:38:56: Oh, well this makes me happy again :D
and even more excited :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-17 20:13:28: Oh, yes :roll: Chibi, it will be. Young padawan
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Grimmy on 2009-05-17 21:58:31: A small request. In the next release could you also include the final battle Cloud files.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-18 01:39:11: Absolutely! With added emotion of anger on his face!

In the mean by:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP22.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP22.jpg)

It's done! The neck looks funny, but it's FABULOUS! :lol: Now I can start making the field model!

Although shamefully I admit that I borrowed heavily from the Dissidia models. I at least have it in my conscience that I built it up polygon by polygon. I know, shameful! :|
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-18 05:29:40: No shame there, i tried to remake some weapons for this model. But i've no idea how 3ds works haha... Good thing as a student i got it on loan so i didn't have to pay but $80 for it :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-18 06:19:52: At least I have the knowledge that I put all those polygons there myself! :-) It just takes practice, and at least if you're in school for this you'll be doing this stuff in no time!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: knight1120 on 2009-05-18 09:16:52: to neocloudstrife: i know the chibbi model is nice, but there are many people and members in qhimm are much like the original field model of apz cloud, so many people in this forums are waiting of releasing the original apz cloud field model and NOT a chibbi model :-) :-) :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Garland_Ilferet on 2009-05-18 14:07:40: Okay.. how about if APZ Freak release two version of the field models?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-05-18 16:12:38: Quote from: kula_wende on 2009-05-18 09:16:52
to neocloudstrife: i know the chibbi model is nice, but there are many people and members in qhimm are much like the original field model of apz cloud, so many people in this forums are waiting of releasing the original apz cloud field model and NOT a chibbi model :-) :-) :-)
...Ok then... :roll:I was just saying i personally disliked the un-chibi field model, i wasn't saying everyone should think the same as me -.-
sorry if i'm coming across as rude, i don't mean it.

the only reason i dislike "regular proportion" field models is because they move really weird and they don't give me the same feeling of nostalgia playing through the game, which is why i'm still an FF7 fan to this day :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-18 16:14:37: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-18 06:19:52
At least I have the knowledge that I put all those polygons there myself! :-) It just takes practice, and at least if you're in school for this you'll be doing this stuff in no time!

Sadly, i'm not going for graphics design haha.. They just offered it and i thought "This could help out with FF7 stuff!!!" didn't realize it would be this hard haha, I'll learn sooner or later though, Maybe get a few books from the library to help me out
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: squallff8 on 2009-05-18 16:49:40: :-( I think the old Cloud face looks better...New one looks some strange...to thin nose,pink lips
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Aurenasek116 on 2009-05-18 18:01:09: Quote from: hellbringer616
Sadly, i'm not going for graphics design haha.. They just offered it and i thought "This could help out with FF7 stuff!!!" didn't realize it would be this hard haha, I'll learn sooner or later though, Maybe get a few books from the library to help me out

Funny thing is a lot of people I know that are into 3D stuff are self-learners that didn't use any books or special training courses. It may look hard but it's all about playing with stuff at the begining, checking what buttons do what and so on, that way sooner or later you can figure out basics etc :) It's all about having determination to do it.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-05-18 19:24:55: Quote from: Aurenasek116 on 2009-05-18 18:01:09
It may look hard but it's all about playing with stuff at the begining, checking what buttons do what and so on, that way sooner or later you can figure out basics etc :) It's all about having determination to do it.
I totally agree. and in actual fact, APZ almost single handedly inspired me to learn 3D modelling. i'm still not great, but i'm a LOT better than when i started. for me, his initial unreleasable models drove me to create them myself. i failed, but i learned a great deal from it. even looking at them to this day inspires me.

this new model, on the other hand, is and forever will be way out of my league - it's epic sauce :P
oh and about the new face - il like it, i think it looks more cloud like. the only reason it probably looks a little odd, squallFF8, is because he's comparing it with the old one. with that gone, you won't notice the difference.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: koral on 2009-05-18 19:47:45: Apzfreak has inspired me too, believe it or not :-D
My bane has forever been, and unfortunatly is still, the subtle art of texture-map making. I have a fair grasp of sculpting and modelling, but I always end up relying on other people to make texture-maps, or I use whatever I can find.

Self-taught 3d-artists like ourselves may be able to produce reasonably good models, but going through the proper route to learn from the professionals will undoubtedly help you produce great models.

Keep at it Apz freak!
Using the original content as reference is not shameful in the least. How else can we be sure that our models are the best representation of that character we can make in 3d?
I usually try to draw my own sketches and stuff when I model anything, but even when I try to emulate Nomura's awesome style, sometimes the 3d model just has to have changes from the original design, such as slight proportion or shape variances.

You are not doing this for money or anything, so just do what you have to do and enjoy yourself! :-D
(and we can all reap the rewards) :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-18 20:24:35: I picked up some books, 3ds max 9 accelerated (sadly i can't use it as i forgot to pick up the CD, which i will get tomorrow)

And Polygonal modeling: Basic and advanced techniques.

Hopefully these will help me out, My goal right now, Is just to pick an easy weapon (i'm thinking mithril saber since it's the second weapon you get i believe) and then remodel it, So APZ's cloud model doesn't look weird with new weapons :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-18 20:50:05: Now see, that's exactly why I'm doing this! If I can help make other people push themselves to learn, then I'm really doing my job! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-18 20:54:58: You are, i'm reading about polygons as we speak. By chance do you know the names of some of the weapon files in the battle.lgp?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-05-18 21:22:00: Weapons are under the Filename for that specific character

for instance, all cloud's files are named like RTXX

RTCK is the buster sword, i think, and under those are the models for the other weapons. same goes for every character
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-18 21:30:12: Alright thanks :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-21 08:47:06: The new head is now in the game!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP23.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP23.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Trophy.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Trophy.jpg)

I'll have the uploaded download for it by tomorrow!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: oraclex on 2009-05-21 10:47:55: I have to be honest, but I like the older face better too (on the pics atleast maybe a video would be clearer)
However his hair is absolutly great!! as for the rest of the body A++

any plans on doing other characters as well? (would love to see your version sephiroth or vincent)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: proJ3CHT on 2009-05-21 12:30:39: wow i think the new head looks much better imo :)!

looks alot more canon without movin away from the original FFVII ingame style, nice work apz!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: knight1120 on 2009-05-21 13:07:37: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-21 08:47:06
The new head is now in the game!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP23.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP23.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Trophy.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Trophy.jpg)

I'll have the uploaded download for it by tomorrow!

wow.... can't wait of releasing it
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-21 19:05:05: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-21 08:47:06
The new head is now in the game!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP23.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP23.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Trophy.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Trophy.jpg)

I'll have the uploaded download for it by tomorrow!
Awesome job APZ, As soon as i stop being scared of 3ds then hopefully you'll have some remade weapons for him.

Any pointers on remaking them? Like what size they need to be? Or does that not matter?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: squallff8 on 2009-05-21 22:06:07: As i said before,i'll use old version :oops:
Sorry,but i don't like this face.
Hair is GREAT!But face looks strange

Anyway,Great work APZ freak!
Still have a hope that you'll make Not Chibi model for NPC PRP :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-21 22:47:26: Quote from: squallff8 on 2009-05-21 22:06:07
As i said before,i'll use old version :oops:
Sorry,but i don't like this face.
Hair is GREAT!But face looks strange

Anyway,Great work APZ freak!
Still have a hope that you'll make Not Chibi model for NPC PRP :wink:

Well. I've noticed a difference too. It's because I didn't model the lips and the texture map has more shadow on his jaw. If a few people are a bit put off by this, and I am (sort of), I'll make a small adjustment. Lessen the dark shadow on the jaw-line and add back the lip polygons.

Other than that there is no difference! Just the way the face is framed by the hair, and the way I drew the texture!

That and the hair poofs out just a tad too much.

edit:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudWIP24.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP24.jpg)

There, if you still don't like it... Too bad! :-D It's Done
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-22 03:02:31: Amazing job APZ :-D Is the download up then?

And now you're gonna get to work on another PC right? haha, Just kidding :-P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-22 03:26:28: New Upload is up!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/ApzCloudDownload-1.jpg) (http://files.filefront.com/newapzcloudzip/;13790395;/fileinfo.html)

And this time I included the Final Battle model, AND the Dark Cloud:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_DarkCloud.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/DarkCloud.jpg)

Enjoy!

edit:

And if you like the older one better I left that download up!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Garland_Ilferet on 2009-05-22 03:39:04: man, i like the new hair!! awesome!!!

oh by the way,

for the field model, can you make both original and chibi model?

because i prefer the chibi
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-22 05:09:27: Quote from: Renzoru_Kazuno on 2009-05-22 03:39:04
man, i like the new hair!! awesome!!!

oh by the way,

for the field model, can you make both original and chibi model?

because i prefer the chibi

He's doing Chibi field. I wish he would do none chibi, i like big field models. BUT! it's his choice, great mod none the less :-D

EDIT: APZ, since i am nowhere NEAR the end of the game. Do i apply both the final battle cloud and the regular? Or not?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Garland_Ilferet on 2009-05-22 05:32:37: Quote from: hellbringer616 on 2009-05-22 05:09:27
Quote from: Renzoru_Kazuno on 2009-05-22 03:39:04
man, i like the new hair!! awesome!!!

oh by the way,

for the field model, can you make both original and chibi model?

because i prefer the chibi

He's doing Chibi field. I wish he would do none chibi, i like big field models. BUT! it's his choice, great mod none the less :-D

EDIT: APZ, since i am nowhere NEAR the end of the game. Do i apply both the final battle cloud and the regular? Or not?

YAY!!! CHIBI!!!!! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: knight1120 on 2009-05-22 09:13:13: it is better if he release both big original model and chibi, but for me i like the original model :-D, so release 1st the original field model :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Grimmy on 2009-05-22 14:44:43: Thanks for including the final battle and dark cloud. Awsome work :-D.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: proJ3CHT on 2009-05-22 15:42:34: seems like many people here are wishing for a normal field model, the problem is with a chilibi is it would look out of place considering almost everyone here is using the NPC or PRP mods with normal proporioned characters, a Chilibi model just wouldnt look right
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-05-22 15:58:38: I'm still using the old SD models ;-) Apart from the nostalgia value, they seem to fit in with FF7's visual style much better.

Also, people who aren't happy with something are more likely to post than those who are happy, so the posts in this thread might be an unrepresentative sample :-P

In any case, I'm told that it's easy to turn a battle model into a field model (I don't know myself because I've never tried). :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Garland_Ilferet on 2009-05-23 19:00:33: Hey, apzfreak... how is the field model going?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: KaOSoFt on 2009-05-24 15:23:50: Wow, very nice release! I can't wait for the field models (I don't care if it's chibi, but a better chibi model sounds cool).

I'm going to try it out like, RIGHT NOW!

Thank you!

EDIT: It works wonders!

apz, have you, I don't know, maybe, thought about making "The APZ Final Fantasy VII Project"? I mean, like, working on the rejuvenation project...

Seriously, playing with these models would push FFVII to the limits, like FFVII on steroids. It's already awesome playing with this Cloud... I can't imagine the whole game!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BrokenCrowe (Mendelevium) on 2009-05-25 01:26:48: Like before.. when i tried this mod.. i cant get it to work.. when i go to overwrite the files there is nothing to overwrite...
All the file names are differant
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-25 01:34:47: Quote from: BrokenCrowe on 2009-05-25 01:26:48
Like before.. when i tried this mod.. i cant get it to work.. when i go to overwrite the files there is nothing to overwrite...
All the file names are differant

You need to download ficedula's LGP tools: http://www.sylphds.net/f2k3/programs/lgptools/lgptools160.zip and i believe .dll: http://www.sylphds.net/f2k3/programs/ficelib/ficelib151a.zip, and extract the Battle.lgp to a folder then move the apz cloud files into the where you extracted the files to. then create a new battle.lgp, and replace that in the data/battle folder

Make sure to back up your original battle.lgp
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BrokenCrowe (Mendelevium) on 2009-05-25 01:35:51: I did all that.. and nothing happened...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-25 01:42:19: Really?

Hmm are you using the english version? Sorry dumb question haha, But i don't know if it works for other versions.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BrokenCrowe (Mendelevium) on 2009-05-25 01:47:05: Yes... im using the english version... maybe its vista
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-25 01:51:18: Yeah thats the issue. Vista doesn't like files being moved to the program files directory. I'm not familiar with how it works though, as i bypassed Vista and went straight to Windows 7 Beta. which doesn't have that.

I know if you disable UAC it disables Virtual store. Here is a guide on how to do that

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/disable-user-account-control-uac-the-easy-way-on-windows-vista/ just disable UAC copy the files, re enable UAC
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BrokenCrowe (Mendelevium) on 2009-05-25 20:46:11: Thanks. all i had to do was run Fidelcula's tools as administrator and it worked like a charm.......

APZ your cloud model is absolutely amazing. Thank you for the work. :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Goku7 on 2009-05-27 06:26:31: This is incredible. Simply incredible. :-D

APZ, the level of detail in your model is just outstanding. I'm left wondering just what the game engine's limits on textures and texture detail are, because I daresay this makes it look like the engine's got a LOT of untapped potential.

So, I hereby award you with 10,000 Cool Points. Spend them wisely. :mrgreen:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-27 07:04:19: Well thank you sir for those points! :wink: Glad everyone's enjoying the new Cloud!

Well, the devious secret is that this only has ONE 512X512 texture and the model isn't any more detailed than anything on the ps2. About Kingdom Hearts quality, a just a few things I modeled out that are actually unnecessary. But I have no rules, so I can just do what I want! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Goku7 on 2009-05-27 07:41:06: That's exactly what I was thinking: It's like a PS2 model stuck in a wacky PS1.5 world. What a nightmare for this cloud's head. :lol:

Still.....one 512x512 texture?

This may go without saying, but that texture won't work on legacy systems that are rocking a 3dfx Voodoo3 or Voodoo2 card (max texture size = 256x256 @ 16bit), so anyone planning on throwing together an old system to play FF7 and other old games without the hassle of making modern OSes and hardware play nice should be made aware of the incompatibility before they try to use this model.

But.....I highly doubt anyone here is using such a setup these days, even as a legacy rig.... :roll:

*sits back down in rocking chair and grabs cane, cranky kong style*

Where was I again? Oh yeah. You carved that model with a hammer and chisel from a block of pure awesome, didn't you? :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-28 07:29:38: (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP25.jpg)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-28 07:39:50: Niiice APZ, Still no chance on a dual release for PRP sized field and chibi eh?

Oh well, Chibi is looking awesome.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-28 09:19:55: (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP26.jpg)

I dunno about the non-chibi field model...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Garland_Ilferet on 2009-05-28 09:24:51: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-28 09:19:55
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP26.jpg)

I dunno about the non-chibi field model...

WHOOA!!! so epic!!! anyway, what happen with cloud's left eye? i will wait for the release!!!!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Idec Sdawkminn on 2009-05-28 15:54:42: He's been assimilated by the Borg.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Goku7 on 2009-05-29 01:48:01: Sweet field model there. I do have a question, though.

<constructive_criticism>The zipper running down the boots appears to be misaligned. I figure that that is probably because the leg and foot are two separate bones, and thus the boot texture is in two parts, resulting in the misalignment when the foot is rotated. However, would it be possible to play with the sizes of those bones abit to allow the boot texture to be all on one bone, in order to avoid that?</constructive_criticism>

If not, then no biggie. I doubt we'd be close enough to cloud that often to really notice it. Still, I figured you'd be kinda interested in it. *shrugs* 8-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-29 03:03:20: (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot5.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot5.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot6.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot6.jpg)

Alright now... Time to copy/paste the hell outta Cloud until I get all of the Field/World Map/Mini-Games versions... Oi!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: secondadvent on 2009-05-29 03:22:22: Quote
He's been assimilated by the Borg.

that was exactly what i thought when i first saw the pic :-D. the model looks great... will definitely add it when it is complete :P.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BrokenCrowe (Mendelevium) on 2009-05-29 03:29:58: is it possible to get this to work with the PRP? like i want this cloud model... but does that mean all the other models go back to their lego formats.. or is it possible to implement it in with the other PRP models??
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: polaris_027 on 2009-05-29 03:38:17: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-29 03:03:20
(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot5.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot5.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot6.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot6.jpg)

Alright now... Time to copy/paste the hell outta Cloud until I get all of the Field/World Map/Mini-Games versions... Oi!
so cool just what i want!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Idec Sdawkminn on 2009-05-29 04:18:15: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-29 03:03:20
(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot5.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot5.jpg)(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot6.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot6.jpg)

Alright now... Time to copy/paste the hell outta Cloud until I get all of the Field/World Map/Mini-Games versions... Oi!
Great job. Heh, he looks like he came from FF9. ;)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2009-05-29 04:32:16: I'll be honest... I've silently been against a "chibi" field model, but seeing it in-game has really changed my mind! Excellent work!

Now to convince apz freak to do the rest of the characters
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-29 06:59:49: Glad to hear it! :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: cloud1414 on 2009-05-29 07:28:51: his eyes look alittle weird but hey ill stick with it. cant wait for it to be released XD thanks so much for making this!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-05-29 10:29:51: I've seen a lot of other character and npc modifications for FF7 on this forum but I didn't apply any of them except for this one coz' this one is the BEST!!!! :-o
The picture of cloud on the first post caught my eye. :-o

I really like the concept of keeping the game original but more beautiful.

@apz
The Chibi's are just so cool :mrgreen: both Cloud and Sephiroth from your other post.
I really like them especially the one where Sephiroth is holding Jenova's head. Aaaammmaaazzzingg!!! Sugoi ! Sugoi !
and about the TALL running Cloud gif.... ummm..... hmmm.... never mind..
:-D
Judging from your recent posts I guess you also like your Chibi Models.
I wish you continue to create the Chibi's since us chibi lovers haven't had any choice.
Since those who like the tall ones already have lot's of existing choices like the NPC Reconstruction and Phoenix Rejuvenation Project ETC.
Poor Chibi lovers :-( :cry:

We really appreciate your hard work man. Thanks a lot.

@Tall NPC lovers.............. for now
maybe you haven't seen this posthttp://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/SephyManyFAce.jpg (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/SephyManyFAce.jpg)
Like it?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-05-29 12:25:00: A few other have brought up this point but I can't remember whether it's been dealt with in detail (I'm sorry if it has):

Are you going to do models of any of the other characters? And if so, may I request one of the "less popular" characters like Barret, Red XIII or even Cait Sith? As a rule, we tend to be spoilt for choice when it comes to mods for popular characters, but the less popular ones get nothing at all. AFAIK, there are no models for them in KH, CC, DoC or Dissidia either (Cait Sith is in DoC, but he doesn't have his stuffed Mog), whilst everyone else is in at least one of those games. It seems that the more need there is for a character mod, the less likely we are to get them.

But there's no pressure; that chibi Cloud looks great! It's nice to see the chibis getting some attention :-P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-05-29 13:38:38: Perhaps some time in the future. I'm just a busy guy!

What with a full time job, and going to art school full time, and being a fiance full time :wink:

This whole thing was done with maybe an hour here and there. Geez if I had whole days to work on it, I could probably do 1 character a week! But I just don't have that kind of time!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-29 16:16:23: I'm sure everyone understands APZ, We love your models, if you every decide to make more, they will be WELL worth the wait
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-05-29 18:00:47: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-05-29 13:38:38
What with a full time job, and going to art school full time, and being a fiance full time :wink:

Those things aren't important! More models NAO! :lol:

Quote from: hellbringer616 on 2009-05-29 16:16:23
I'm sure everyone understands APZ, We love your models, if you every decide to make more, they will be WELL worth the wait

^What he said^ :-P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: terminater27 on 2009-05-29 21:47:46: Hey guys, is this mod compatible with FF7-PRP?
If it is, is there a certain order, I should install it in?
Thanks a lot =D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Grimmy on 2009-05-29 21:51:54: It's compatible with everything, but you better get comfortable with using an lgp editor. I like using Ficedula's lgp tool it's pretty standard.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: terminater27 on 2009-05-29 21:59:52: Well, so far, I've installed the 1.02 patch.
Next I got the Saint's higher resolution working.
For the next step should i apply this mod first?
Or apply the FF7-PRP mod first?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-05-30 01:37:12: This mod is in the battle.lgp the others are in the field, so it doesn't matter the order.

just extract your battle.lgp with lgptools

then move these files to the folder you extracted the files too. then create a new lgp named battle.lgp with lgptools.

replace your old battle.lgp (i'd make a backup) then you're good to go.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: warbaque on 2009-05-30 05:22:34: I can't create working battle.lgp file with LGPtools.

This is what I do and what happens
1. Start LGPtools and open battle.lgp
2. Extr. All to .../somerandomfolder
3. Click 'Create' -> Select .../somerandomfolder -> select name and wait -> Replace orginal battle.lgp with just the one I just created.
4. Start game -> Find ramdom encounter-> ??? -> Crash!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BrokenCrowe (Mendelevium) on 2009-05-30 05:43:25: I have been thinking lately... This is just if people don't like the Chibi (which i do.. I think its a amazing :P)

But isn't it possible to do that thing they did in the Reunion patch... Take the battle model, and scale it down in kimera and then save it as the field model??? Or am i way off base?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: warbaque on 2009-05-30 07:17:27: Quote from: warbaque on 2009-05-30 05:22:34
I can't create working battle.lgp file with LGPtools.

This is what I do and what happens
1. Start LGPtools and open battle.lgp
2. Extr. All to .../somerandomfolder
3. Click 'Create' -> Select .../somerandomfolder -> select name and wait -> Replace orginal battle.lgp with just the one I just created.
4. Start game -> Find ramdom encounter-> ??? -> Crash!

When I compared orginal and modified battle.lgp files with lgptool I noticed that file order was different.
Example.
Orginal:
1 aaab
2 aaam
3 aada
4 aaaa
5 abab
6 abam
7 abaa
...
Modified:
1 aaaa
2 aaab
3 aaam
4 aada
5 abaa
6 abab
7 abam
...

How can I fix this?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BrokenCrowe (Mendelevium) on 2009-05-31 03:33:15: Hey APZ.. if you are re-making the field model of Cloud.. are you re-making him when he dresses like a girl too???

And again your work is absolutely amazing. :D

Thank you,
Broken Crow
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Goku7 on 2009-05-31 07:47:26: Hey APZ, I've got a couple of nice screenshots of the battle model at 4x FSAA that I figure would look nice in your screenshot collage:

(http://bin.mypage.sk/FILES/new-closeup.jpg)

(http://bin.mypage.sk/FILES/new-side.jpg)

However, since I'm more of a sound guy than a photo/video guy, I think I should leave any image cropping to you. :-D

-edit-
Forgot to add the link to the actual second picture. I had the first one linked twice. Doh!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: birdparade on 2009-05-31 08:50:35: APZ I would just like to continue cheering you on. You have done so much! Please keep at it!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: warbaque on 2009-05-31 09:30:04: Quote from: warbaque on 2009-05-30 07:17:27
Quote from: warbaque on 2009-05-30 05:22:34
I can't create working battle.lgp file with LGPtools.

This is what I do and what happens
1. Start LGPtools and open battle.lgp
2. Extr. All to .../somerandomfolder
3. Click 'Create' -> Select .../somerandomfolder -> select name and wait -> Replace orginal battle.lgp with just the one I just created.
4. Start game -> Find ramdom encounter-> ??? -> Crash!

When I compared orginal and modified battle.lgp files with lgptool I noticed that file order was different.
Example.
Orginal:
1 aaab
2 aaam
3 aada
4 aaaa
5 abab
6 abam
7 abaa
...
Modified:
1 aaaa
2 aaab
3 aaam
4 aada
5 abaa
6 abab
7 abam
...

How can I fix this?
Anyone go any idea?
Either how to get LGPtools to work or some alternative program.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: oraclex on 2009-05-31 10:29:47: Quote from: Goku7 on 2009-05-31 07:47:26
Hey APZ, I've got a couple of nice screenshots of the battle model at 4x FSAA that I figure would look nice in your screenshot collage:

(http://bin.mypage.sk/FILES/new-closeup.jpg)

(http://bin.mypage.sk/FILES/new-side.jpg)

However, since I'm more of a sound guy than a photo/video guy, I think I should leave any image cropping to you. :-D

-edit-
Forgot to add the link to the actual second picture. I had the first one linked twice. Doh!

Lovely screenies! that buster sword is also great! A darn shame you'll have to replace the sword... I would like it to be the ultimate sword too.
Also, where did that vincent model come from? I looks pretty good too
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2009-05-31 15:59:43: Quote from: oraclex on 2009-05-31 10:29:47
Also, where did that vincent model come from? I looks pretty good too
Lol
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-31 16:04:28: That buster sword is probably one of the greatest moddels I have seen here....
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-05-31 16:05:20: Quote from: obesebear on 2009-05-31 15:59:43
Quote from: oraclex on 2009-05-31 10:29:47
Also, where did that vincent model come from? I looks pretty good too
Lol

Indeed :-D

Quote from: oraclex on 2009-05-31 10:29:47
that buster sword is also great! A darn shame you'll have to replace the sword... I would like it to be the ultimate sword too.

WallMarket should be able to help you out there. Change the weapon model ID for Ultima Weapon to the one for the Buster Sword and hopefully it should work (i.e. from F8FF0F to F8FF00), and the Buster Sword model will appear when you have Ultima Weapon equipped.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Goku7 on 2009-05-31 17:26:41: Quote from: oraclex on 2009-05-31 10:29:47
Lovely screenies! that buster sword is also great! A darn shame you'll have to replace the sword... I would like it to be the ultimate sword too.
Also, where did that vincent model come from? I looks pretty good too

Thank you. I had another shot of his model in the middle of the spellcast animation, but it came out looking like he was, like, pelvic thrusting or something. :roll:

Anyway, that Vincent model is the stock model that comes with the game -- hence the lols you're getting from others. I must have shot his good side. 8-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: oraclex on 2009-05-31 17:30:47: Quote from: Goku7 on 2009-05-31 17:26:41
Quote from: oraclex on 2009-05-31 10:29:47
Lovely screenies! that buster sword is also great! A darn shame you'll have to replace the sword... I would like it to be the ultimate sword too.
Also, where did that vincent model come from? I looks pretty good too

Thank you. I had another shot of the model in the middle of the spell animation, but it came out looking like he was, like, pelvic thrusting or something. :roll:

Anyway, that Vincent model is the stock model that comes with the game -- hence the lols you're getting from others. I must have shot his good side. 8-)

oh noes!!! I feel so ashamed... well not really.. but I guess it was a rather silly comment :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Viashino on 2009-06-02 01:34:56: nice work apz like i said give some thought to my offer thats all ill say for now. very nice work.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-02 11:02:20: He Blinks!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot7.jpg)

I would say his lips are a tad too big. But seeing as though you rarely see him this close, it's not that big a deal!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-02 11:38:58: Yaayyy Previews. I can't wait.

No, I mean I can. :-D

Yah, the lip is kinda big. Maybe an anime like lip ( just a drawn line) would fit rather than the complete 3D lip. It kinda makes his expression look weird, over all it's nice.
Yah, no big deal.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: polaris_027 on 2009-06-02 11:52:37: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-06-02 11:02:20
He Blinks!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot7.jpg)

I would say his lips are a tad too big. But seeing as though you rarely see him this close, it's not that big a deal!

beautiful!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: KaOSoFt on 2009-06-02 12:37:46: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-06-02 11:02:20
He Blinks!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot7.jpg)

I would say his lips are a tad too big. But seeing as though you rarely see him this close, it's not that big a deal!
This is very nice! Yeah, lips should be shortened a bit. They look like they have been injected or something... :roll:

Thanks for your hard work, and keep going!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-06-02 13:38:54: There's some very good stuff there, but the head doesn't seem to fit well with the body. From that screenshot, it looks like he needs more of a neck.

And can anything be done about the arms? When he had the huge blocky forearms, the way he stood looked natural and relaxed, but with more realistic shaped arms, it looks like he's holding them out at an awkward angle.

But as I said, it's still some good work :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-02 14:09:08: Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-06-02 13:38:54
There's some very good stuff there, but the head doesn't seem to fit well with the body. From that screenshot, it looks like he needs more of a neck.

And can anything be done about the arms? When he had the huge blocky forearms, the way he stood looked natural and relaxed, but with more realistic shaped arms, it looks like he's holding them out at an awkward angle.

But as I said, it's still some good work :-)

His neck is hidden with the round collar of his shirt. It's really like that.
If he makes his arms realistic it will look more like the NPC Reconstruction and will make it look bad when he walks.
The Chibi body is supposed to be like that. He just made it detailed.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: knight1120 on 2009-06-02 14:45:19: i think there is no problem in the head and neck, the problem is in the "shoulder"! :-D :-D :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-02 15:05:20: Yeah it's kinda big but that's the Chibi model's features. I think if you trim the shoulders or make the elbow part larger. It won't be proportional to the Chibi's a lil' bit big head. But like some anime's the head is meant to be bigger.

It's just like the original Chibi. Just much more detailed.

Just my thoughts though.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: polaris_027 on 2009-06-02 15:07:21: i think...

that its beautiful, perfect(IMO)

and

is ready to be released!

eh apz?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-06-02 15:08:01: Quote from: moses7 on 2009-06-02 15:05:20
Yeah it's kinda big but that's the Chibi model's features. I think if you trim the shoulders or make the elbow part larger. It won't be proportional to the Chibi's a lil' bit big head. But like some anime's the head is meant to be bigger.

It's just like the original Chibi. Just much more detailed.

Just my thoughts though.

I think it might be helpful to look at the FF9 models. Since they're also detailed chibi models, they might shed some light on how to make a chibi Cloud look good.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-02 15:16:14: I just opened my FFVII and opened a new game to look closely to the Chibi model.
APZ's is already adjusted and looks very good.

The original chibi's head is almost bigger than body.

Yeah, I also like APZ chibi. I was just explaining to those who like it to look realistic that If they make it look realistic it won't be chibi anymore.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Goku7 on 2009-06-02 16:00:45: I agree with Kudistos Megistos about the angle of the arms, but I think only rotating them a few degrees closer in toward the body might be able to subtly make it look more relaxed without it looking too different.

Also, I've always thought default animation "stance" is a shared thing, and that if we change it, ALL characters will now have closer arms and screw things up if they're still original chibis with the huge forearms....?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-02 16:08:56: Quote from: Goku7 on 2009-06-02 16:00:45
I agree with Kudistos Megistos about the angle of the arms, but I think only rotating them a few degrees closer in toward the body might be able to subtly make it look more relaxed without it looking too different.

Also, I've always thought default animation "stance" is a shared thing, and that if we change it, ALL characters will now have closer arms and screw things up if they're still original chibis with the huge forearms....?

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why CHIBI fits better than tall NPCs.

Making FIELD Models taller but not being able to change the stance make them look bad.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/squallff8_2008/temp.jpg)

That's why I'm against tall FIELD Models.
But the CHIBI fit's well since the game designed them that way.

I find APZ Chibi's body perfect for a CHIBI, except a lil' on the lips though.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-06-02 16:50:50: Quote from: Goku7 on 2009-06-02 16:00:45
I agree with Kudistos Megistos about the angle of the arms, but I think only rotating them a few degrees closer in toward the body might be able to subtly make it look more relaxed without it looking too different.

That's along the lines of what I had in mind. A few degrees would probably make all the difference; enough to offset the difference between the size of the forearms/hands in the two models.

Quote from: Goku7 on 2009-06-02 16:00:45
Also, I've always thought default animation "stance" is a shared thing, and that if we change it, ALL characters will now have closer arms and screw things up if they're still original chibis with the huge forearms....?

Then maybe we'll have to wait until the glorious day when we have high-res chibi models for all of the characters :lol:

Quote from: moses7 on 2009-06-02 16:08:56
Yeah, that's one of the reasons why CHIBI fits better than tall NPCs.

Making FIELD Models taller but not being able to change the stance make them look bad.

That's why I'm against tall FIELD Models.
But the CHIBI fit's well since the game designed them that way.

That's one of the reasons why I've never used the more realistic models. The game was designed for chibis, and it shows. And the angle of the arms looks even worse on the full size models.

The other reason is that, despite being less realistic, the chibis seem to convey emotion more easily (to me at least). They are moe, allowing us (read: me) to sympathise with them easily, and they can have exaggerated movements that one can laugh at and take seriously at the same time. The same exaggerated movements with realistic characters sometimes look grotesque.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Opine on 2009-06-02 17:08:58: I wish I had a beeter compliment than "this is absolutely amazing", but this is absolutely amazing! I can't wait to try him out! He's so cute as a chibi.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-02 17:41:34: Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-06-02 13:38:54
There's some very good stuff there, but the head doesn't seem to fit well with the body. From that screenshot, it looks like he needs more of a neck.

And can anything be done about the arms? When he had the huge blocky forearms, the way he stood looked natural and relaxed, but with more realistic shaped arms, it looks like he's holding them out at an awkward angle.

But as I said, it's still some good work :-)

Well to answer your statements :-)

I made him to fit the EXACT specifications of the original chibi field model. His neck was that tiny on the original too! Any other changes would effect the animations, really, you just have to see it in motion! The way he walks and runs and gestures all look perfect! :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-06-02 17:49:39: looks awesome... keep up the good work :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Idec Sdawkminn on 2009-06-03 00:55:22: I made a video using this mod, slayersnext's weapons mod, and the OpenGL driver. Check them out together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSV-VRA1qr0
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-06-03 03:40:39: i saw that vid... nice job man everything looks great in that vid
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-03 06:44:16: Quote from: Idec Sdawkminn on 2009-06-03 00:55:22
I made a video using this mod, slayersnext's weapons mod, and the OpenGL driver. Check them out together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSV-VRA1qr0

Wow, that's great! Thanks for that! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: AlbusJC on 2009-06-03 14:31:09: Are you going to include your buster sword to this chibi model?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-03 17:28:01: Only for the One with the Buster Sword (bhff.hrc)

I dunno, I guess I just like it the way it is, just with better models. But I'm sure once you guys have all my downloads it'll be easier to makethe change yourselves than for me to have multiple downloads up
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-04 08:06:53: @APZ
How bout chibi Sephiroth? Are you going to release him with Cloud?

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/SephyManyFAce.jpg)

BTW, your BUSTER SWORD link doesn't work anymore. http://files.filefront.com/APZBusterSwordzip/;10588421;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/APZBusterSwordzip/;10588421;/fileinfo.html)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-04 09:10:12: I didn't model that Sephiroth, that's the KH model. Please read the beginning of that thread, it's old news! 8-) The Buster Sword is included with my OWN Cloud Model at the beginning of THIS thread. :-)

In the mean by:

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudFieldFunny.jpg)

It's my Cloud but with the original coloring. I find it quite hilarious! :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Goku7 on 2009-06-04 09:31:36: LOL....Cloud looks like he's about to start crying.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-04 09:32:30: @APZ

You are using Aali's OpenGL driver right?
This would be out of topic but may I ask if 1024x768 or other resolutions that aren't multiples of 640x480 works for you?
Coz' mine won't continue the battle swirl and won't start the battle at 1024x768, it works on 1280x960 but the laptop doesn't support 1280x960.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: PM on 2009-06-04 16:42:42: i have a problem when trying to use your custom model. whenever i enter a better i get a message "something bad happened here" and ask if i want to write a crash dump to my install directory. any tips on how i can fix this?

i have a original EU/US version of the game. and a swedish windows xp 32bit.
I use the custom graphics driver and FF7-PRP mod
system specs:
Intel core 2 duo e6700
ATI 4850X2
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: musaru on 2009-06-04 17:34:59: Hi. Just wondering...

is there a download for the field model of Cloud that i saw quoted on page 15 (2nd post) ?

I didn't see it on the first page and i don't wanna shuffle through 15 pages >.>
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-06-04 19:31:26: Quote from: musaru on 2009-06-04 17:34:59
is there a download for the field model of Cloud that i saw quoted on page 15 (2nd post) ?

Nope. It's a work in progress.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-05 00:42:59: Quote from: PM on 2009-06-04 16:42:42
i have a problem when trying to use your custom model. whenever i enter a better i get a message "something bad happened here" and ask if i want to write a crash dump to my install directory. any tips on how i can fix this?

i have a original EU/US version of the game. and a swedish windows xp 32bit.
I use the custom graphics driver and FF7-PRP mod
system specs:
Intel core 2 duo e6700
ATI 4850X2

I would say it might have something to do with the custom graphics driver
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: lili on 2009-06-06 17:01:16: hello APZ your cloud is amazing but i see a little problem. His arm isn't correctly link to the body

http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/rahzel51/APZCloud.jpg?t=1244307086

can you resolve this problem?
your cloud is the best :wink:.
thank you

sorry for my english because i'm french.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-06 22:13:21: Sorry but the way that this works is that there is no model deformation like modern games. Cloud is in pieces, The Head, The Torso, The Pelvis, etc. So no matter how I model that part of the arm, it'll always look awkward from some angle. But since the game has such a low resolution, this doesn't really matter. And when you see it in motion it looks awesome!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: polaris_027 on 2009-06-07 00:03:24: so how's the field model apz?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: PM on 2009-06-07 12:26:04: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-06-05 00:42:59

I would say it might have something to do with the custom graphics driver

tried it using the standard low-res driver but i still get the same result. re-did the battle.lgp as well but it didnt help :(

i can see the battle start and the music gets going but just as the models are about to appear the game freezes (music keeps playing though) and i get the error message.
my battle.lgp file is 61 844 kB in size
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-07 15:26:58: Quote from: polaris_027 on 2009-06-07 00:03:24
so how's the field model apz?

baka inaayos pa ung malaking bibig.

Maybe he's also busy.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-07 15:50:04: Quote from: polaris_027 on 2009-06-07 00:03:24
so how's the field model apz?

Well the base is complete, but the field model isn't just one model. It's 10 different models in the char lpg, and the world map and snowboard mini game. That takes allot of copy/paste/rename and I'm taking alittle break to work on my final projects :wink:

fair warning though, when I release it it's not a one step process to get it running!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: PM on 2009-06-10 14:29:36: Quote from: PM on 2009-06-07 12:26:04
Quote from: apz freak on 2009-06-05 00:42:59

I would say it might have something to do with the custom graphics driver

tried it using the standard low-res driver but i still get the same result. re-did the battle.lgp as well but it didnt help :(

i can see the battle start and the music gets going but just as the models are about to appear the game freezes (music keeps playing though) and i get the error message.
my battle.lgp file is 61 844 kB in size

I really hate to be a bother but you got any idea on how i can fix this? Tried reinstalling to a different directory but it didn't help
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: oraclex on 2009-06-10 19:35:37: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-06-07 15:50:04
Quote from: polaris_027 on 2009-06-07 00:03:24
so how's the field model apz?

Well the base is complete, but the field model isn't just one model. It's 10 different models in the char lpg, and the world map and snowboard mini game. That takes allot of copy/paste/rename and I'm taking alittle break to work on my final projects :wink:

fair warning though, when I release it it's not a one step process to get it running!

Isn't it possible to create an installer for this?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-11 07:50:14: I made my own installer for personal use.

I just don't know if it's ok to post it here. Coz the installer contains the whole battle.lgp

And if you have other battle models they will be overwritten.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: oraclex on 2009-06-12 18:32:21: I would like to see such installer!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-13 10:52:27: I'm still not used to this forums Private Messages.

Please tell me if you received the link. Sorry if I sent it to you multiple times.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: oraclex on 2009-06-13 13:04:44: pm received :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-13 15:17:21: Did it work fine?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hman242 on 2009-06-13 18:37:20: whenever i try to use lgp tools it says its missing "ficedula.dll". where is this file and where can i dl it?
EDIT: nevermind im an idiot.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Great Sephiroth on 2009-06-14 06:57:36: The Cloud Model is awesome but i have found a bug with it, when i do the omnislash the last blow Cloud goes to is fighting stance ,the damage appear but the animation of the final blow of it not there

can you help me ?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Anima on 2009-06-14 09:05:00: My friend the quality of this model is superb. The detail is so intricate and fine I love it!

Many many many kudos on a job very very very well done!

I implore you to continue and release your own versions of the other characters and clouds world model! That would the single most greatest thing to happen to FFVII PC.

Love your work, I signed up just to give this comment.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: koral on 2009-06-14 10:30:31: I love it when people sign up just to say Thankyou :lol:
That kind of response can feel so rewarding in a strange kind of way

Since I am OT anyway:
apz, I sent you a PM some weeks ago but you haven't replied.
I appreciate you are busy and everything, but if you could confirm that you have read it, then that is all I need to know. You need say no more :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-16 04:05:30: I read it! Sorry I haven't gotten back to you. You know how it is. I need to keep myself in check, I can't work with everybody although, I'd like to!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-17 01:35:34: It's no that I'm rushing things but I just want to ask if you are going to release Chibi Cloud
or stick to Tall Models with Vashiano?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: jeditl on 2009-06-17 15:42:00: Quote from: moses7 on 2009-06-17 01:35:34
It's no that I'm rushing things but I just want to ask if you are going to release Chibi Cloud
or stick to Tall Models with Vashiano?

It would be nice if he did release a chibi cloud model for the field one ^_^
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Millenia on 2009-06-17 16:51:01: Hey man, can you share the 3d model with me, I'd love to take a shot at texturing it as well if you don't mind :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Viashino on 2009-06-19 01:45:27: its VIASHINO moses lol but eh its alright lmao but to answer that other question apz has stated he will not release his original obj
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-19 04:35:44: What's the "original obj"?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-19 05:09:30: Quote from: Viashino on 2009-06-19 01:45:27
its VIASHINO moses lol but eh its alright lmao but to answer that other question apz has stated he will not release his original obj

Indeed! I will not release it. (Original obj being the source file whole and complete)

And I personally don't like the PRP proportions, I prefer the original chibi version.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-19 06:02:50: @apz

You will not release your Chibi Cloud?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-06-19 06:04:42: Quote from: moses7 on 2009-06-19 06:02:50
@apz

You will not release your Chibi Cloud?

Think he means he's not releasing his original object model so people don't make a none chibi model
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-19 06:13:30: Quote from: hellbringer616 on 2009-06-19 06:04:42
Quote from: moses7 on 2009-06-19 06:02:50
@apz

You will not release your Chibi Cloud?

Think he means he's not releasing his original object model so people don't make a none chibi model

Yes to the chibi! :lol: Sorry if I haven't been clear, but i just finished this quarter of school,, so I'll have him soon! :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-19 13:14:12: CHIBI!! (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/signs/smiley-vault-signs-067.gif) Chibi!!!!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Viashino on 2009-06-20 00:45:06: lol unless your like me heheheh :evil: i can have any size i want lol but again its apz so what i do with his release is for my personal use so dont bother asking me as well because its still belongs to apz and he already knows i di-sected the whole thing from textures to the re assembling of the obj but i wont give it to anyone because it is apz property and if he says he wont release it i have no right to do the same.

BTW apz still waiting to talk to you about our project, cant move forward till i got an answer my friend also waiting for the OTHER things i requested you know what i mean lol.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-06-20 02:31:19: I wish i was as good as you Vaishino haha, I want to replace the PRP's cloud model with APZ's (so they match *nods*)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-06-20 04:13:22: long time no see apz, chibi is lookin good, but the thighes are either to skinny or too far apart on the inside of the legs... dont be afraid to have them overlap a lil.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-20 04:39:34: Quote from: timu sumisu on 2009-06-20 04:13:22
long time no see apz, chibi is lookin good, but the thighes are either to skinny or too far apart on the inside of the legs... dont be afraid to have them overlap a lil.

Yeah, I've tried quite a few things, but for some reason the legs ALWAYS revert back to that distance apart. Well, only when I put them there in Kimera, everything else stays where I put it except those thighs... Weird! I guess I could change it in the source file. I've been tweeking this and that on him. Inadvertently that caused me to tweek the Battle Model as well. Just minor things, but enough to warrent a APZCLOUD1.5 version release.

Quote from: Viashino on 2009-06-20 00:45:06
lol unless your like me heheheh :evil: i can have any size i want lol but again its apz so what i do with his release is for my personal use so dont bother asking me as well because its still belongs to apz and he already knows i di-sected the whole thing from textures to the re assembling of the obj but i wont give it to anyone because it is apz property and if he says he wont release it i have no right to do the same.

BTW apz still waiting to talk to you about our project, cant move forward till i got an answer my friend also waiting for the OTHER things i requested you know what i mean lol.

I'll get right on it, I have to start from scratch again, but that's okay! I'll get it done! :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: moses7 on 2009-06-20 14:02:17: Quote from: Viashino on 2009-06-20 00:45:06
lol unless your like me heheheh :evil: i can have any size i want lol but again its apz so what i do with his release is for my personal use so dont bother asking me as well because its still belongs to apz and he already knows i di-sected the whole thing from textures to the re assembling of the obj but i wont give it to anyone because it is apz property and if he says he wont release it i have no right to do the same.

BTW apz still waiting to talk to you about our project, cant move forward till i got an answer my friend also waiting for the OTHER things i requested you know what i mean lol.

Look at this, look at size of the chairs.
Notice not only the size of the characters compared to the chairs but imagine if a tall slim guy sits on the chair. The table won't fit for the tall guy.
(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/knight1120/cliudntifa.jpg)
I think the world itself is designed for CHIBI

That's one reason I don't like TALL ones.

I think they don't look proportional to the world itself.

and the wide open arms reallyyyyyyyyy look bad on these tall ones.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/squallff8_2008/temp.jpg)

but look really cool on Chibi and keeps the game's Original Look and Feel :mrgreen:
Just look at his stance man. He's proud to be a chibi :-D :-D :-D Just look at lil' Sephy holding dear mama's head.
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP26.jpg)(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/SephyManyFAce.jpg)

I suggest we leave the tall ones to the Official Remake of FFVII
and keep the FFVII look like the original FFVII we all loved but HIGH-DEF :-o :-o
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: knight1120 on 2009-06-20 15:04:45: Quote from: moses7 on 2009-06-20 14:02:17
Quote from: Viashino on 2009-06-20 00:45:06
lol unless your like me heheheh :evil: i can have any size i want lol but again its apz so what i do with his release is for my personal use so dont bother asking me as well because its still belongs to apz and he already knows i di-sected the whole thing from textures to the re assembling of the obj but i wont give it to anyone because it is apz property and if he says he wont release it i have no right to do the same.

BTW apz still waiting to talk to you about our project, cant move forward till i got an answer my friend also waiting for the OTHER things i requested you know what i mean lol.

Look at this, look at size of the chairs.
Notice not only the size of the characters compared to the chairs but imagine if a tall slim guy sits on the chair. The table won't fit for the tall guy.
(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/knight1120/cliudntifa.jpg)
I think the world itself is designed for CHIBI

That's one reason I don't like TALL ones.

I think they don't look proportional to the world itself.

and the wide open arms reallyyyyyyyyy look bad on these tall ones.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/squallff8_2008/temp.jpg)

but look really cool on Chibi and keeps the game's Original Look and Feel :mrgreen:
Just look at his stance man. He's proud to be a chibi :-D :-D :-D Just look at lil' Sephy holding dear mama's head.
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP26.jpg)(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/SephyManyFAce.jpg)

I suggest we leave the tall ones to the Official Remake of FFVII
and keep the FFVII look like the original FFVII we all loved but HIGH-DEF :-o :-o

its easy to resize them in kimera so no problem on that :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BloodShot on 2009-06-20 16:02:19: Quote from: Viashino on 2009-06-20 00:45:06
Look at this, look at size of the chairs.
Notice not only the size of the characters compared to the chairs but imagine if a tall slim guy sits on the chair. The table won't fit for the tall guy.
(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/knight1120/cliudntifa.jpg)
I think the world itself is designed for CHIBI

That's one reason I don't like TALL ones.

I think they don't look proportional to the world itself.

and the wide open arms reallyyyyyyyyy look bad on these tall ones.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/squallff8_2008/temp.jpg)

but look really cool on Chibi and keeps the game's Original Look and Feel :mrgreen:
Just look at his stance man. He's proud to be a chibi :-D :-D :-D Just look at lil' Sephy holding dear mama's head.
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudWIP26.jpg)(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/SephyManyFAce.jpg)

I suggest we leave the tall ones to the Official Remake of FFVII
and keep the FFVII look like the original FFVII we all loved but HIGH-DEF :-o :-o

I see what your saying, but idk i kinda like the tall ones better. Sure they might not fit perfectly at times, and i do like the chibi ones too, but there's something about having the tall ones that i like... idk maybe its just that i would like to see the same models in and out of battle, and although i do like the chibi's, i would rather have the tall ones on my PC version, and play the PSX original version with everything chibi, because there's higher res backgrounds and other stuff that makes the PSX version better.

On a side note, imagine a battle mod that makes all the characters chibi like the game!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-06-21 00:46:29: Another advantage to the chibi models that the animations are designed for them.

The movements the characters make and their body language look fine with chibi characters, but when full-size ones move that way it just looks weird and exaggerated.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Ultroman on 2009-06-22 11:42:10: Hi! I use PRP and APZ Cloud like so many others. Those are the only two I have installed, so the battle.lgp is the original but with APZ Cloud in it, and the world_us.lgp and char.lgp are from PRP. And now, suddenly, in the flashback at Nibelheim in the first battle with the "monster" (green dragon) it crashes right after the battleswirl. From what I can gather reading through the crash.dmp file in something as horrible as Wordpad, it says ERROR: COULD NOT OPEN FILE SEFIROS.D
Where is that?

This is what the APP.log says at the end when I encounter a Mu creature (it's similar to what it says at Sephiroth, only "ENEMY078.D" is replaced by "SEFIROS.D":
Entering MAIN
Exiting MAIN
Entering FRAME_INITIALIZE SWIRL
Exitting FRAME_INITIALIZE SWIRL
Swirl sound_effect1
stop_sound
End of Swirl sound_effect1
Entering FRAME_QUIT SWIRL
Exitting FRAME_QUIT SWIRL
Entering MAIN
Exiting MAIN
[BATTLE] Entering FRAME_INITIALIZE
[BATTLE] Scene# 48
[BATTLE] Exitting FRAME_INITIALIZE
OFFSET ERROR: ENEMY078.D DAAA
ERROR: COULD NOT OPEN FILE ENEMY078.D
ERROR: unhandled exception

Don't know if that can aid anyone in understanding why this happens. Well, here's a link to my crash.dmp. It's on Yousendit and a max of 100 downloads, so unless you think you can use this information about an engine crash in FF7 and might figure out the problem, please don't download it.

https://www.yousendit.com/download/cmczNnFITWNCMTVMWEE9PQ

EDIT: Now I tested a clean install, with PRP models, on the original engine. Both Sephiroth battles and the Mu creatures work fine now. I'm trying with Aali's engine now. If that works, then it was the APZ Cloud model all along. Funny, as it has worked perfectly for 6Â½ hours played before this happened.

EDIT2: Now I rolled back the battle.lpg and it seems to work now. Hmm, maybe I'm packing the lpg wrong.
1. In Lpgtools "Extract" original battle.lpg. 2. Copy all files with no extension from the rar'ed model into the directory I extracted battle.lpg to. 3. In Lpgtools File ==> Create. 4. Select the folder with the extracted and altered battle.lpg contents, and save it as battle.lpg on the desktop, and overwrite the original one in data\battle directory afterwards.
How can the model sometimes make the game crash, and sometimes not? It's only with Sephiroth and the Mu creatures this has happened so far. And only with APZ Cloud in the mix...

...isn't that right? Or am I missing something.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Aali on 2009-06-22 12:53:42: Quote from: Ultroman on 2009-06-22 11:42:10
...isn't that right? Or am I missing something.

Are you using LGPtools to create the .lgp? Is your locale set to anything but US English?
LGPtools relies on windows to sort the files before creating the lookup table. If your files aren't sorted correctly, it will create a horribly broken LGP archive where files will be "missing" for no apparent reason. LGPtools itself may still be able to open these broken archives and find all the files, FF7 will not.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Ultroman on 2009-06-22 16:15:23: Oh, thank you! I wasn't aware of this. I had noticed they were being packaged in another order than the originals, but I didn't know it made a difference. Man, all the info on this is so scrambled around the forum. We really need a modder's FAQ :)
I assume you mean my locale in Windows (Regional and Language Options)? Everything there was in Danish. Now I'll test again.

This is probably also the reason my models can't seem to find their textures when I port them to the game. I'm doing a fearsome dragon!

EDIT: Now I've changed my keyboard setup and locale all over the place in Windows, and it still pack the files wrong. I guess I'm doomed to replace each file manually. I just did that, and my APZ Cloud now work in Sephiroth battles and with Mu creatures. Ehm...what can I do to rectify this?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-06-24 01:05:10: in addition to what i mentioned on the barret page, two other things i realised you should fix apz, is
1. the pauldron, the part that comes up perpendicular to the plate (closest to his neck) should come out more, as it is its just sticking out a littl ebit, but its about an inch or more relative to cloud (or should be :P)
2. mouth is too wide n lower lip is bit too big i find, but that may be fixed by making the lips less wide. look at the pic u have on the first page with AC pic and original art. both have skinnier lips, match it inbetween i think it'd look much better.

hope to see an updated release soon :P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-06-24 05:42:51: Quote from: timu sumisu on 2009-06-24 01:05:10
in addition to what i mentioned on the barret page, two other things i realised you should fix apz, is
1. the pauldron, the part that comes up perpendicular to the plate (closest to his neck) should come out more, as it is its just sticking out a littl ebit, but its about an inch or more relative to cloud (or should be :P)
2. mouth is too wide n lower lip is bit too big i find, but that may be fixed by making the lips less wide. look at the pic u have on the first page with AC pic and original art. both have skinnier lips, match it inbetween i think it'd look much better.

hope to see an updated release soon :P

Actually the mouth bothered me and that was the first thing I fixed after the release :-P Once I started looking at screenshots it got to me! But that was/is fixed before most people downloaded the old one!

As far as the pauldron goes:

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_02jhggd.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/02jhggd.jpg)

That's what prompted me to make it that way. But now that I look at it again, the notch closest to the shoulder needs to be closer to a 90 degree angle than I got it. Good eye!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Garland_Ilferet on 2009-06-24 13:31:04: when will you release the chibi APZ cloud?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-07-07 04:10:11: hey APZ, you didn't die did you? Or should i say leave? Cause that would suck :cry:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-07-07 07:58:07: :-)

I'm glad to say that I'm not dead! But I now have a new computer and I'm done with days of copying all of my files over. I don't have 3DMax installed yet, but I'll have everything up and running pretty soon!

And Field Cloud is next!

Part of the reason I took so long was that I was fixing several flaws in the battle model and making sure that the changes reflect in the field model as well. I need a perfect Field model before I make ALL of the field models. Also.... Cross dressing Cloud! :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-07-07 08:01:25: Updated battle model you say? You mean you can perfect an already Perfect (in my eyes) cloud model?

I am honestly shocked haha.

One thing though. I dunno how you convert your textures to .tex But i found with Aali's driver you don't need to use 256 color. If you didn't know, just thought i'd bring it up. :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Garland_Ilferet on 2009-07-07 09:47:21: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-07-07 07:58:07
:-)

I'm glad to say that I'm not dead!

oh, i was about to buy a phoenix down for you!! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2009-07-07 16:37:10: Quote from: hellbringer616 on 2009-07-07 08:01:25
One thing though. I dunno how you convert your textures to .tex But i found with Aali's driver you don't need to use 256 color. If you didn't know, just thought i'd bring it up. :-D

Except PCreator will only accept 256 colors. So until someone creates a program or plugin that will convert files to FF7 format, we have to continue using 256
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-07-07 17:53:29: Wasn't sure if he was using another program or not, thats why i brought it up. If pcreater is the only choice then disregard what i said.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-07-23 01:31:23: (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_APZCloudScreenshot10.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudScreenshot10.jpg)

Alright, Now that I got my new computer up and running, and I finally got around to setting up my FFVIIPC stuff up again. I'll begin my progress!

And, I finally got around to setting up Aali's OpenGL driver, and it looks great! So I'll retake all of the screenshots, and I'll have my updated version of Battle Model with the NEW FIELD model. It's not ready yet, but it will be shortly! :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-07-23 01:34:05: :-o

APZ!!!

YOU'RE BACK!

and i was just wondering when you'd return to these forums :D

looking forward to the field model!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-07-23 01:39:52: alright sweet! i cant w8 to c the improvements! i got the latest 1 installed and now i want more! awesome man :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Xelane on 2009-07-23 01:39:51: OMg i want the field model so badly 0.0, you just take ur time with it tho, i can wait. if you weren't already could you make it so that the buster sword is on his back.

i like the way that looks

lookin forward to it mate
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: titeguy3 on 2009-07-23 01:52:54: Of course when the buster sword is on his back, that screws up the flashback in the shinra mansion.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Xelane on 2009-07-23 02:19:06: yes but hte enjoyment i get from having it the whole game outweighs that tiny part in the game
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: titeguy3 on 2009-07-23 02:34:08: I actually totally agree, but I remember how wierded out I was when I watched cloud and zack both with buster swords, then zack dying, and cloud's disappearing while he takes zack's.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-07-23 02:48:22: :lol:

It's funny because these so called (Updates) to the battle model and field model are things that the average person wouldn't catch. But I fixed them because they bothered ME!

Now I know how George Lucas feels, only in a much smaller dosage. That feeling you get when you release something and you see these glaring errors that no one else would catch, but YOU know they're wrong. That's why Nomura was the quality checker in FF10, to minimize those types of detail changes.

Check the direction of the belt buckle for one! Something you wouldn't catch on the default 620X480 but you can see clearly with Aali's driver!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Xelane on 2009-07-23 03:23:50: yeah..now that you mention it i did want to say something about cloud's face.

i love the model but his face doesnt look like cloud's imo, NOT THAT IT ISNT AWESOME it just strikes me as....not cloud

his lips look off for one thing, and the shape of his face isnt perfect.

I feel like crap for posting this but it bugs me too much not to.

I'm not posting this to be judgemental, i'm just hoping that you could kep it in mind when you do the field model
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-07-23 04:42:07: Quote from: Xelane on 2009-07-23 03:23:50
yeah..now that you mention it i did want to say something about cloud's face.

i love the model but his face doesnt look like cloud's imo, NOT THAT IT ISNT AWESOME it just strikes me as....not cloud

his lips look off for one thing, and the shape of his face isnt perfect.

I feel like crap for posting this but it bugs me too much not to.

I'm not posting this to be judgemental, i'm just hoping that you could kep it in mind when you do the field model

Well I'm sorry it isn't Cloud to you, but I've tried my darndest to make it Cloud for me. And you gotta admit, it's pretty damn close!

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudInfluence2.jpg)

Plus he's been tweeked since last release, but this is his current face. It's as close to 'inbetween' AC Cloud and Original Cloud as I could get it.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-07-23 04:50:56: Likin the new face a lot.

I think it's perfect.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: InuRa on 2009-07-23 04:57:44: Yeah, i know what you mean, i get the same feeling about the face texture.
Think its mainly the lips and nose that are not like Cloud's (these are maybe a little too thick) and the eyes need a little decrease on the height.
But thats just me guessing, changing it might end up just leaving it not looking like Cloud still.

Edit: Ohhhhh! The eyes are not round like in all the pictures, they're very oval in the face texture! Maybe thats the main reason!
Anyway, very nice work on your Cloud model apz. :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Xelane on 2009-07-23 05:16:18: oh im sorry apz i didnt see the newly tweaked model, the newer one looks much better,

and you are really good at what you do, i just didnt get the perfect cloud feel on the older model, the new one looks MUCH closer
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2009-07-23 06:11:53: Let's play Rate Cloud's Face!!

The model is immaculate. It's just something with his eyes. If you notice the top right picture posted, he has a very stern/serious look. This is the Cloud I always pictured in my head while playing. The eyebrows are right.. just his eyes look too .. innocent? (aka like Advent Children :-P)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-07-23 06:36:25: I agree about the seriousness, And although i've not gotten to the final battle with your cloud, I think he should look mad. if he doesn't already :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nero on 2009-07-23 06:49:47: He looks like Cloud to me, maybe in a younger version but still Cloud nevertheless.
Great job apz!!! :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Xelane on 2009-07-23 08:52:50: How long do you think it will be before you release a field model?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Millenia on 2009-07-23 08:57:55: Hey Apz, Borde just released a tool which can convert bigger than 512 texture files with truecolour here: http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=8639.0

Would be pretty rad to have a, say, 1024 truecolour texture of him if you still have it :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-07-23 17:37:24: Quote from: Millenia on 2009-07-23 08:57:55
Hey Apz, Borde just released a tool which can convert bigger than 512 texture files with truecolour here: http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=8639.0

Would be pretty rad to have a, say, 1024 truecolour texture of him if you still have it :-D

:-o Wow, that changes things! I'll jump right on that!

(ps. Of course I have the original TGA's, do you think I'd get myself in trouble by deleting my source files? :wink: )
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Theclad on 2009-07-23 20:57:06: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-07-23 04:42:07

(http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/APZCloudInfluence2.jpg)

Plus he's been tweeked since last release, but this is his current face. It's as close to 'inbetween' AC Cloud and Original Cloud as I could get it.

Just perfect... What's an awesome work !
With SlayersNext, Millenia and a lot of people, the remake of FF VII that we hope for a while will be released just by his fans-creators, and i think it's just UNFORFORGATABLE !
Thank you very much for your work !
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-07-23 21:54:19: will he be in minigames such as snowboard, chocoborace and gbike? if so it'll inspire me to fix the rides up :P

EDIT:
remmber to replace the gbike buster sword :P!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-07-23 23:49:48: damn guys that work is AWESOME! this guy's brilliant, keep it up APZ
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Xelane on 2009-07-24 09:56:22: Hey apz how long do you think it will be before you can release a field model? I'm hoping to start playing the game over with the new model. (like ive done a thousand times and loved every moment of)

edit: so you're only going to make a chibi version huh?

...............................damn
well wait i could just........

....damn

lol i was hoping for a tall model to fit in cuz i like the tall versions...now im wondering if i would want chibi or tall.....problem is that all my chars are tall and if i changed just cloud back to chibi it would look really weird.

is there any way you or someone else could convert the battle model into a field model? i haz no idea how to do it, and from looking at people who try, it looks difficult and time consuming to say the least :-(
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-08-08 12:14:32: Hi APZ..Could I ask here if your Buster Sword model will work with Slayersnext? Or do you have solution for this? Because when I tried using this with Slayersnext Weapon Mod. It messes up The buster sword ..But when I use the other swords ( Slayersnext mod )..it doesnt have that kind of glitch...

Can you please help me on this?....I really like your version of The Buster Sword....
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: AlbusJC on 2009-08-08 19:46:34: Hey APZ, I want to see finished your chibi model. Meanwhile I am using your model of battle in field. He needs some adjustments but he is incredible in game. The problem is that I cannot use your buster sword :-P, I need the textures... :-D
Good work with this proyect :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Makubex (Mendelevium) on 2009-08-10 21:27:04: I hate to bump this thread.
But i have a request...
APZ your work is amazing, and i am a fan of your Chibi style.
Could you please post some reference shots of your Cloud chibi..
like you did on the first page, of the KH cloud, because i want to make detailed chibis, quite like yours.
:D

Thank you,
Makubex (lmao.. the spell checker thought my name was mail box..xD)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-08-11 02:43:32: Certainly! I'll throw it together for you.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Makubex (Mendelevium) on 2009-08-11 02:46:56: Yay!
Thanks.
:wink:

I want to learn how to model(3D... not for a magazine.).
So i am just messing with vertexes(verteces?) at the moment.

Thanks!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-08-11 02:47:18: could u stick little notes of the changes you made? to make the chibi
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2009-08-11 06:23:38: I made a little edit to your Cloud... hope you don't mind :-)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/obesebear/APZblack.jpg)
I like the retconned black outfit... Purple just never really seemed like something an ELITE 1ST CLASS SOLDIER would wear
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: sl1982 on 2009-08-11 07:03:02: Cloud is so badass that he could wear a rainbow colored outfit and still be tough :-P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-08-11 07:35:14: @ APZ

Did you also stumble upon the version of Ehrgeiz Version of Cloud or Tifa? He looks pretty tough there... and tifa wears a kinkier version of her outfit..( ahehehe )
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Makubex (Mendelevium) on 2009-08-11 08:08:03: Hey. APZ.
:D

Good work on cloud tho...
i tried to make my own... with the original battle model (pulled from PRP/ NPC RP)
i made it to chibi proportions and such.. but i can't get it in game.. so yeah..

but that's not the point..

I am curious,
which 3D program do you use??
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-11 15:44:00: Quote from: Harruzame on 2009-08-11 07:35:14
@ APZ

Did you also stumble upon the version of Ehrgeiz Version of Cloud or Tifa? He looks pretty tough there... and tifa wears a kinkier version of her outfit..( ahehehe )

Koral did a little bit of exploring with Ehrgeiz (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=8326.msg100441#msg100441), but it seems that no models can be extracted yet :cry:

Of course, someone might be able to make models based on the Ehrgeiz characters. Although they aren't as detailed as the characters in later FF7-based games, they're a good choice because they stay true to the visual style of the original.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-08-12 08:57:38: That's right!!.... the Char Models used here where already beefed up versions of them in the era of PSX. Meaning they're detailed in some way better..Hope We can pattern this to the reconstructing Clouds or Tifa's models or Better yet a guide to make a better RED XIII. Since He's there and biting!!! hehehe

would it be easier as takin a picture of a dog? ne?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-12 14:07:58: And Zack, Vincent, Sephiroth and Yuffie. In their normal and alternative costumes :wink:

Yes, Ehrgeiz could be a valuable resource for FFVII modders who want to keep the feeling of the original. As it happens, I have an old copy of the game that I (well, my dad) bought when it first came out. I'm not sure what kind of condition it's in... :roll:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: neohiei on 2009-08-13 14:22:48: Well just wanted to say "big thanks" to you guys, you make big works, everything is awesome!!
Big thanks to APZ for his fabulous Cloud!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2009-08-17 21:55:27: Well I finally got him all converted into a field model. However, I don't want to release it without your permission APZ. I also kept my 'custom' black uniform on him :-P

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/obesebear/pic-1.jpg)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: sl1982 on 2009-08-17 22:01:05: No chibi? :-(
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-17 22:04:47: I think Apz is still working on that. Also, I imagine that someone else releasing a chibi model based on Apz's battle model would count as stepping on his toes :roll:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: sl1982 on 2009-08-17 22:08:53: True enough
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Matt2Tees on 2009-08-18 00:42:53: Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-17 22:04:47
I think Apz is still working on that. Also, I imagine that someone else releasing a chibi model based on Apz's battle model would count as stepping on his toes :roll:

Well it does seem to be taking a while for his release to come, so maybe its a good thing someone else has made a model.
I attempted to make a chibi model but its very rough at the moment

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8545/cloudrsx.png)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Lionfist on 2009-08-18 14:14:19: Quote from: MXster on 2009-08-18 00:42:53
Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-17 22:04:47
I think Apz is still working on that. Also, I imagine that someone else releasing a chibi model based on Apz's battle model would count as stepping on his toes :roll:

Well it does seem to be taking a while for his release to come, so maybe its a good thing someone else has made a model.
I attempted to make a chibi model but its very rough at the moment

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8545/cloudrsx.png)

looks like he is on steroids xDD
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-08-19 00:49:29: Quote from: Lionfist on 2009-08-18 14:14:19
Quote from: MXster on 2009-08-18 00:42:53
Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-17 22:04:47
I think Apz is still working on that. Also, I imagine that someone else releasing a chibi model based on Apz's battle model would count as stepping on his toes :roll:

Well it does seem to be taking a while for his release to come, so maybe its a good thing someone else has made a model.
I attempted to make a chibi model but its very rough at the moment

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8545/cloudrsx.png)

looks like he is on steroids xDD
lol... its lookin good so far :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-08-24 08:38:50: Sorry nobody has my permission to post their own edits of my model. Sorry, but that's the way I'd prefer to keep it!

But to those who have tried their hands at a chibi BEHOLD!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Almostchibi.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Almostchibi.jpg)

Again, all I have to do is the copy/paste/rename thing for all the other field/minigame models. I have a funny plan for cross dresser cloud and I plan on making coma wheelchair cloud look hilarious!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: ice_cold513 on 2009-08-24 08:43:39: Awesome apz freak just Awesome
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Leous on 2009-08-24 10:32:33: Your modeling is great would really love to talk to you about joining our team in creating a new type of rpg, we are already taking to UBI about publishing.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-08-24 14:20:09: just curious, Do you plan on modeling old school hair like 3 big spikes? and can ye share ne hints on how yer gonna treat these "special" clouds?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Lionfist on 2009-08-24 14:29:11: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-08-24 08:38:50
Sorry nobody has my permission to post their own edits of my model. Sorry, but that's the way I'd prefer to keep it!

But to those who have tried their hands at a chibi BEHOLD!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Almostchibi.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Almostchibi.jpg)

Again, all I have to do is the copy/paste/rename thing for all the other field/minigame models. I have a funny plan for cross dresser cloud and I plan on making coma wheelchair cloud look hilarious!

Looooks Awesuuuuum~
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2009-08-24 15:32:45: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-08-24 08:38:50
Sorry nobody has my permission to post their own edits of my model. Sorry, but that's the way I'd prefer to keep it!

But to those who have tried their hands at a chibi BEHOLD!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Almostchibi.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Almostchibi.jpg)

Again, all I have to do is the copy/paste/rename thing for all the other field/minigame models. I have a funny plan for cross dresser cloud and I plan on making coma wheelchair cloud look hilarious!
Very well done, good sir.

Quote from: apz freak on 2009-08-24 08:38:50
I have a funny plan for cross dresser cloud and I plan on making coma wheelchair cloud look hilarious!
I await your updates with bated breath... Are you planning to release a 'regular size' field Cloud?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-08-24 16:38:07: So.. much... want...

It looks fantastic.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-08-24 17:48:11: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-08-24 08:38:50
Sorry nobody has my permission to post their own edits of my model. Sorry, but that's the way I'd prefer to keep it!

But to those who have tried their hands at a chibi BEHOLD!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Almostchibi.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Almostchibi.jpg)

Again, all I have to do is the copy/paste/rename thing for all the other field/minigame models. I have a funny plan for cross dresser cloud and I plan on making coma wheelchair cloud look hilarious!
wow that looks soooo cooool i like it :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: DeadManInBlack on 2009-08-24 18:19:30: Awesome work APZ but there just something about the nose on the chibi model its hard to narrow it down its just look a little too long/thin.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Otokoshi on 2009-08-24 19:36:12: Very nice apz, fantastic work as always.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: KnifeTheSky77 on 2009-08-24 20:24:41: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-08-24 08:38:50
Sorry nobody has my permission to post their own edits of my model. Sorry, but that's the way I'd prefer to keep it!

But to those who have tried their hands at a chibi BEHOLD!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/th_Almostchibi.jpg) (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Almostchibi.jpg)

Again, all I have to do is the copy/paste/rename thing for all the other field/minigame models. I have a funny plan for cross dresser cloud and I plan on making coma wheelchair cloud look hilarious!

I was beginning to miss your jest apz freak! OH the irrational things i would do to have that chibi
I cant wait to see cross dresser cloud, what always bothered me about that event was how cloud so easily fooled Don Corneo into believeing he was a prettier-than-average female. This was easy to get away with back in the windows 98 era, but now... This is gonna get interesting
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-08-25 09:09:54: PLz.. Release this APZ old pal!....PLZ. PLZ...I want to try this one!!!...And can you make the other ones if you can?/..But for now I'd like that Cloud field Characater to roam around FFVII world!!..PLz .Plz..I'm begging here...I'm already dying...urk!... :-P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Garland_Ilferet on 2009-08-25 13:18:34: Quote from: Harruzame on 2009-08-25 09:09:54
PLz.. Release this APZ old pal!....PLZ. PLZ...I want to try this one!!!...And can you make the other ones if you can?/..But for now I'd like that Cloud field Characater to roam around FFVII world!!..PLz .Plz..I'm begging here...I'm already dying...urk!... :-P

*use phoenix down on Harruzame*
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Blood_Crow (Mendelevium) on 2009-08-27 02:49:56: Pardon me APZ. Well i just took a look at a lot of your work recently. >.>, i have to say, your item models are just plain cool. xD... I especially like the key cards, no idea why tho.

well anyways, i was just wondering, you know that image with four shots of your chibi sephi (i am not asking you to release anything), you know the one that is holding the jenova head . Did you model the jenova head from scratch? Cause it is very good work. xD...

I like the details... >.>;;
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-27 02:52:04: The chibi Sephy was made from the KHII model, so it can't be released :cry:

I don't think that Jenova is in that game, so maybe that would be releasable...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Blood_Crow (Mendelevium) on 2009-08-27 02:53:11: Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-27 02:52:04
The chibi Sephy was made from the KHII model, so it can't be released :cry:

I don't think that Jenova is in that game, so maybe that would be releasable...

Thats not quite what i was asking, i knew that sephi was from KH2 lol.
And I would love it if he released the jenova head... >.>
i am fickle about details. xD..
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-27 02:55:17: Well the question was ambiguous! :-P

And I addressed the Jenova head. I didn't say anything useful, but I addressed it :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Blood_Crow (Mendelevium) on 2009-08-27 02:58:46: Indeed. And sure it was useful.
Possible someone didn't know it was the KHII sephiroth, and then would plead with him to release it.
We wouldn't want that would we?
XD. Lol.

>.>
Besides, i should apologize, i sounded a tad mean.
So, i am sorry.
:wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-08-27 03:00:35: I forgive you :-P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-08-28 07:11:41: Ysh!!!! t;s bnn whl bt th Phnx Dwn tk ts ffct lngr thn xpctd...*rbs ff drt*...phw!!!! *cgh*...x Whts hppnng hr? s th......m 0ld bdd Cld rmng rnd Mdgr r stll swmmng rnd Cst dl Sl?.... 'd rll lk t s hm wlkn rnd nw... PLZ PZ!!! D s fvr!!..nd rls hm nw plz!!!...*whmprs*...'m bggng y!!!...*pp lk*...hhh!!!... ts th TRKS!!! Rn!!!..Lmt brk?....*bp* *bp* *bp*..... ZR!!!??!?!?...Crp!!..*Thd!**ShhhllcckkBng!* *thr wrd stff* ...hhhhhh!!!...*twwwnnggg!!*
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: halkun on 2009-08-28 07:16:18: Quote from: Harruzame on 2009-08-28 07:11:41
Ysh!!!! t;s bnn whl bt th Phnx Dwn tk ts ffct lngr thn xpctd...*rbs ff drt*...phw!!!! *cgh*...x Whts hppnng hr? s th......m ld bdd Cld rmng rnd Mdgr r stll swmmng rnd Cst dl Sl?.... 'd rll lk t s hm wlkn rnd nw... PLZ PZ!!! D s fvr!!..nd rls hm nw plz!!!...*whmprs*...'m bggng y!!!...*pp lk*...hhh!!!... ts th TRKS!!! Rn!!!..Lmt brk?....*bp* *bp* *bp*..... ZR!!!??!?!?...Crp!!..*Thd!**ShhhllcckkBng!* *thr wrd stff* ...hhhhhh!!!...*twwwnnggg!!*

I thought I told you to lay off the nonsense posting. It's neither "cute" or "funny"
It in fact annoys me to no end.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-08-28 07:20:02: *sigh*...I thought it was funny though...*sigh*

Sorry for that Halkun....I'll stop doing those remarks....This is me DEAD serious.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: halkun on 2009-08-28 07:24:18: There is an appropriate place for that on this forum, I can't even disemvowel you there....
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: SwornEnemy on 2009-08-28 08:58:45: one thing bout the chibi model,,, make his eyes smaller,, there way to big...........
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-08-28 20:21:06: Aw i see that yall are getting restless. I understand. But I'm also a dreadfully busy man! I want to get this thing out there.

Please have just alittle bit more patience. Thank you! :wink:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Opine on 2009-08-28 20:40:02: Actually, I really like the large eyes on the chibi. JMO
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Xatoku on 2009-08-31 05:09:53: Excuse me for the miscommunication, but what exactly is in the release pack? The Cloud Model itself or the patch?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-08-31 07:10:49: Lemme give you guys a slice of my life.

-I go to work full time
-I go to school full time
-I'm the oldest of 9 children
-My brother was wrongly accused of criminal mischief and sentenced to 10 years
-In lieu of that, he gets 8 years of probation (He's innocent)
-My mother lost her house to the mortgage company
-My aunt is slandering us and accusing that same brother of molesting her child
-She's not interested in finding out who actually did it (my brother was in boot camp when it happened and barely knows that little girl at all)
-I'm working on 2 comic books
-I'm working on this (Updated battle model, 12 field models)
-I'm drawing album art for my friends music
-I'm designing patterns for upscale house decorating
-I have aspergers syndrome
-I have stress related hypertension
-I'm getting married in 3 months

I'm not making any patches, sorry!

I hope you guys understand that I'm a very busy person. and as much as I'd like to work on this a bunch. it's alittle low on my list of priorities. I'm not giving up on it. All i can do is ask for you patience and thank you guys for it. And thank you for loving my cloud the way i lovingly crafted every detail on him. Thanks! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Xatoku on 2009-08-31 07:48:09: I didn't ask you to make anything. I simply asked what the download contained.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Matt2Tees on 2009-08-31 08:10:36: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-08-31 07:10:49
I hope you guys understand that I'm a very busy person. and as much as I'd like to work on this a bunch. it's alittle low on my list of priorities. I'm not giving up on it. All i can do is ask for you patience and thank you guys for it. And thank you for loving my cloud the way i lovingly crafted every detail on him. Thanks! :-D

Ok, if your so busy, why not get someone else to help make the chibi? Everyone understands how busy life is, with work, school and family.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-08-31 11:51:36: I'm not really complaining! :-)

Just giving you guys a rough overview of how completely crazy life has become for me. It's not excuses, just facts.

I donnot wish to hand my files over to other people because it's my project, I wanna do it! :wink: This isn't a job or it'd be done by now. This is one of the few things I do on my own free time that I don't get paid for or that I don't pay for.

Quote from: Xatoku on 2009-08-31 07:48:09
I didn't ask you to make anything. I simply asked what the download contained.
Updated Battle Model, Updated Buster Sword, Field models.

I play it by ear. This is on the backburner right now. I'm just letting you guys know i haven't abandoned it.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Xatoku on 2009-08-31 11:56:41: Sounds cool, I haven't really tried any of these, but once the mood strikes, I'll be sure to give this a shot ;). I'm currently having quite the busy lifestyle myself, just so you know, you're not alone XD. :evil:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: sl1982 on 2009-08-31 15:34:30: Congrats on getting married soon :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: JordieBo on 2009-08-31 15:42:33: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-08-31 07:10:49
Lemme give you guys a slice of my life.

-I go to work full time
-I go to school full time
-I'm the oldest of 9 children
-My brother was wrongly accused of criminal mischief and sentenced to 10 years
-In lieu of that, he gets 8 years of probation (He's innocent)
-My mother lost her house to the mortgage company
-My aunt is slandering us and accusing that same brother of molesting her child
-She's not interested in finding out who actually did it (my brother was in boot camp when it happened and barely knows that little girl at all)
-I'm working on 2 comic books
-I'm working on this (Updated battle model, 12 field models)
-I'm drawing album art for my friends music
-I'm designing patterns for upscale house decorating
-I have aspergers syndrome
-I have stress related hypertension
-I'm getting married in 3 months

I'm not making any patches, sorry!

I hope you guys understand that I'm a very busy person. and as much as I'd like to work on this a bunch. it's alittle low on my list of priorities. I'm not giving up on it. All i can do is ask for you patience and thank you guys for it. And thank you for loving my cloud the way i lovingly crafted every detail on him. Thanks! :-D

I'm not trying to sound like a complete dick, but some of things weren't really nessacery. This is a forum for Final Fantasy discussion and modification, please leave that kind of discussion to the Completely Unrelated section because these kinds of posts make people feel bad for not doing anything to people who post them. I'm sorry if this has offended you in any way, I would just rather posts like these not created as they leave space for mis-interperation and arguments.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BrokenCrowe (Mendelevium) on 2009-08-31 23:27:45: Hey APZ. Your model is pure awesomeness. But, i was just thinking on how to further improve your already magnificent work. :-D
First off, i find it quite odd that the metal part on the left arm is the exact same size as the bare right arm, shouldn't it be a bit bigger? I mean it is slightly bigger, bit i think it needs to be i bit more, emphasized...
And the bare right shoulder should be lowered a tiny bit, realistically, shouldn't it be a tad bit smaller than the metal shoulder?
Also, the nose is slightly pinched it seems... i don't really know how to improve that though.
And one last thing... With the newer kimeras, with there animation editing, i was thinking.. your cloud as it is has his arms out to far, it just doesn't look realistic. Maybe a bit more to his sides would be better. I don't know, just throwing that one out there.
Overall OUTSTANDING work. A huge contribution to the modding community.

Again, i apologize, i have had a long past few days... This may sound like i am a bit pissed off, and i am sorry for that. But, I am truly just trying to offer some constructive criticism.

And APZ congrats on getting married. :D.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-09-01 05:58:41: Work, school, partner, family. We all have that in life and yeah, they sure do take up alot of your time. You contribute like 95% of your time to them so we all know what it feels like. We are all understanding of how life can be (I sure do hope everyone is, lol), but its great that you said you haven't abandoned it, actually, I think it was awesome that you said that. And we all truly cannot wait for the next release (whenever that may be) but I'm sure we'll all love it. Btw, that updated Buster Sword caught my attention... Hehe :lol:

On a side note: Congratulations on your marriage. :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-09-01 06:04:04: Was there an update already?....I don't see any difference in the first post??
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-09-01 06:09:47: Quote from: Harruzame on 2009-09-01 06:04:04
Was there an update already?....I don't see any difference in the first post??
Oh, no. Sorry if I sounded unclear. I simply meant that his future release will contain an updated Buster Sword. That of course caught my attention hehe. :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: V95 on 2009-09-01 06:55:43: Heya there, may I know if the 'APZ Cloud Final Battle' as included in the downloaded folder, is purely just the Final Battle version of Cloud or there is some modifications of it?

Sorry, cause I'm just not sure which one to use, the 'APZ Cloud' or that one, geez (and I'm lazy to try both out; currently using the 'APZ Cloud' version).

EDIT: Would it be possible to use both together? Like after I overwrite 'APZ Cloud' files over the original, and then add in the 'APZ Cloud Final Battle' to make battle.lgp?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Matt2Tees on 2009-09-01 08:46:36: Quote from: V95 on 2009-09-01 06:55:43
Heya there, may I know if the 'APZ Cloud Final Battle' as included in the downloaded folder, is purely just the Final Battle version of Cloud or there is some modifications of it?

Sorry, cause I'm just not sure which one to use, the 'APZ Cloud' or that one, geez (and I'm lazy to try both out; currently using the 'APZ Cloud' version).

EDIT: Would it be possible to use both together? Like after I overwrite 'APZ Cloud' files over the original, and then add in the 'APZ Cloud Final Battle' to make battle.lgp?

You can use both, thats the whole point, one is cloud (rtaa) and one is the final battle (siaa), they both look the same, just copy all the files into your battle.lgp
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: V95 on 2009-09-01 09:29:10: Quote from: MXster on 2009-09-01 08:46:36
Quote from: V95 on 2009-09-01 06:55:43
Heya there, may I know if the 'APZ Cloud Final Battle' as included in the downloaded folder, is purely just the Final Battle version of Cloud or there is some modifications of it?

Sorry, cause I'm just not sure which one to use, the 'APZ Cloud' or that one, geez (and I'm lazy to try both out; currently using the 'APZ Cloud' version).

EDIT: Would it be possible to use both together? Like after I overwrite 'APZ Cloud' files over the original, and then add in the 'APZ Cloud Final Battle' to make battle.lgp?

You can use both, thats the whole point, one is cloud (rtaa) and one is the final battle (siaa), they both look the same, just copy all the files into your battle.lgp

Ooo icic! Thanks for clearing that up, now that I know, kekes! :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-09-01 15:26:49: Quote from: JordieBo on 2009-08-31 15:42:33
This is a forum for Final Fantasy discussion and modification, please leave that kind of discussion to the Completely Unrelated section because these kinds of posts make people feel bad for not doing anything to people who post them.

I understand and I'm not offended. :-) My main point being "Hey look life is crazy and I'm overwhelmed!" That's the only point I meant to make.

That being said. I would like conversation to stay on topic! Thank you for any sympathy or congratulations. But please only talk related to this project.

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ON TOPIC

The next release will be 2 different files.

APZ CLOUD BATTLE
The latest cleanup version of the battle model, small graphical mistakes corrected. Updated texture.
New Buster Sword, Remade from scratch, new model and texture.
A New batch of custom textures to choose from, different colors, dark cloud, link-look-a-like-maybe, etc.

APZ CLOUD FIELD
My field model of cloud, all of them!
Crossdressing, wheelchair, with buster sword, etc.
The same compliment of custom textures.

hope that makes a few things clear
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Matt2Tees on 2009-09-01 16:38:45: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-09-01 15:26:49
The next release will be 2 different files.

APZ CLOUD BATTLE
The latest cleanup version of the battle model, small graphical mistakes corrected. Updated texture.
New Buster Sword, Remade from scratch, new model and texture.
A New batch of custom textures to choose from, different colors, dark cloud, link-look-a-like-maybe, etc.

APZ CLOUD FIELD
My field model of cloud, all of them!
Crossdressing, wheelchair, with buster sword, etc.
The same compliment of custom textures.

hope that makes a few things clear

Sounds very cool! :-D Cannot wait
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: SwornEnemy on 2009-09-01 16:39:01: how long do u think it will be for the next release
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-09-01 20:15:55: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-09-01 15:26:49
The next release will be 2 different files.

APZ CLOUD BATTLE
The latest cleanup version of the battle model, small graphical mistakes corrected. Updated texture.
New Buster Sword, Remade from scratch, new model and texture.
A New batch of custom textures to choose from, different colors, dark cloud, link-look-a-like-maybe, etc.

APZ CLOUD FIELD
My field model of cloud, all of them!
Crossdressing, wheelchair, with buster sword, etc.
The same compliment of custom textures.

hope that makes a few things clear

Truly cannot wait! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2009-09-02 02:57:33: Quote from: SwornEnemy on 2009-09-01 16:39:01
how long do u think it will be for the next release

When it's done.

/John Carmack
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: willis936 on 2009-09-02 03:43:21: Hey, this has been bugging me since I first got your mod:
What is the difference between the regular and final battle models?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-09-02 04:04:59: final battle is the one on one with sephiroth when u pwn with omnislash
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-09-02 05:58:49: Yeah..I was surprised how it went after Cloud is absorbed by this vortex..and When it stopped it showed Cloud and Sephiroth facing each other and I'm the one holding Masamune...(MOD)... hehehe..NICE!

Hopefully APZ releases the latest update soon!..Can't wait!!!...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: willis936 on 2009-09-02 19:44:31: Quote from: timu sumisu on 2009-09-02 04:04:59
final battle is the one on one with sephiroth when u pwn with omnislash
>.<

I don't know what that means!

Despite having played the game for years and probably hundreds of game hours I have YET TO BEAT THE GAME.
The second form of Sephiroth always kicked my ass back when I played on PSX.
Eventually I youtubed the final scene but I'm working on a file that I plan to be able to beat the weapons and sephiroth.

Does anyone have a side by side of APZ's three models?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Eslava on 2009-09-02 20:13:28: The game uses 2 different files* for the battle model cloud, one of the two is used only at the last battle of the game, that model is slightly more detailed than the 'regular' one. Apz model is the same in both files but you still have the 2 separately because if you don't replace both, the game will use the other cloud model instead in the last battle.
In short, Apz model is the same, be it last battle or 'regular'.

*I say files when it should be a 'group' of files
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-09-03 04:03:13: Hey APZ..would you consider creating a glowing Buster Sword for Cloud's Final Battle model?..I mean if there are no difference in both models( except the detailed parts )..then creating this would be considered a difference?

..just a thought though... Hope this helps!...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-09-03 04:04:59: there is no special model for the final battle for weapons
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: aaronlite on 2009-09-03 05:02:10: APZ, your work rocks. Looking forward to the update. : )
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Harruzame on 2009-09-03 05:39:39: Quote from: timu sumisu on 2009-09-03 04:04:59
there is no special model for the final battle for weapons

Umm..well kinda like what Slayersnext did with Clouds other weapons..He did make the Ultimate Weapon cooler... I hope APZ manages to render such a feat though..Kudos!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-09-03 12:46:46: check millenia's thread.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: poptdp on 2009-09-14 13:37:20: to apz... are u going to release your chibi cloud with no sword? it is the best i have seen and it just looks awesome!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Evan Lee on 2009-09-14 13:44:07: OMG!!!!

i hope this is a field model ^^
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-09-14 17:06:51: no just a battle model, he is remaking a chibi style model though.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Matt2Tees on 2009-09-14 21:24:59: Quote from: evan17lee on 2009-09-14 13:44:07
OMG!!!!

i hope this is a field model ^^

He is making field models of every version of cloud, its going to be awesome when he's happy with them all and releases them! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: SwornEnemy on 2009-09-19 02:27:41: apz freak, u should release a cloud with the old hair style instead of the AC hair...it would b awesome.. just a suggestion
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-09-19 16:26:14: Quote from: SwornEnemy on 2009-09-19 02:27:41
apz freak, u should release a cloud with the old hair style instead of the AC hair...it would b awesome.. just a suggestion

I agree with this. Cloud's original hairstyle is very iconic; the CC look may be more realistic, I still prefer the old look.

Would it be possible (when the chibi is done), for a head part to be done based on Cloud's head in Dissidia (which seems to be closer to the original Cloud head than the one in Crisis Core)?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-09-19 17:32:51: I was thinking of doing this, but apart from that, apz' cloud is very accurate, so apz if you want i cane make an alternative head model, n it can probably even use the same texture, i'll just map around what you have (just an offer)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: death_gigas on 2009-09-25 12:26:46: do u have any mods, as in any,, can u give it to me aside apz cloud thnx.....
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Matt2Tees on 2009-09-25 22:50:58: Quote from: geostigma on 2009-09-25 12:26:46
do u have any mods, as in any,, can u give it to me aside apz cloud thnx.....

Your not English are you :roll:, This forum is packed with mods, just got to do some digging :lol:
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: poptdp on 2009-09-26 06:24:23: i agree with most people here, i too like the original cloud's hair style
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: CloudyWolf on 2009-09-26 18:57:57: @geostigma: try timu's barret... that's nice too... and millenias's weapon... :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: lansing on 2009-10-24 18:49:56: I've read all 22 pages of this thread, and I want to say thanks for the awesome work on the Cloud model.

And just a wonder, what do you base your model on, cartoon or realism? Because to me, Cloud's hair and clothing looks real, but the face is nowhere near realism.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: sl1982 on 2009-10-24 18:53:25: Quote from: superbbjai on 2009-10-24 18:49:56
I've read all 22 pages of this thread, and I want to say thanks for the awesome work on the Cloud model.

And just a wonder, what do you base your model on, cartoon or realism? Because to me, Cloud's hair and clothing looks real, but the face is nowhere near realism.

I know you are new to the forums (welcome btw) and this thread should be near the top of the forum, be careful with regards to posting in threads that have been inactive for a long time. 1 month is probably close to the limit of what is acceptable.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: lansing on 2009-10-25 01:02:56: Quote from: sl1982 on 2009-10-24 18:53:25
Quote from: superbbjai on 2009-10-24 18:49:56
I've read all 22 pages of this thread, and I want to say thanks for the awesome work on the Cloud model.

And just a wonder, what do you base your model on, cartoon or realism? Because to me, Cloud's hair and clothing looks real, but the face is nowhere near realism.

I know you are new to the forums (welcome btw) and this thread should be near the top of the forum, be careful with regards to posting in threads that have been inactive for a long time. 1 month is probably close to the limit of what is acceptable.

got it, thanks for the reminder
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BloodShot on 2009-10-30 22:16:53: Quote from: poptdp on 2009-09-26 06:24:23
i agree with most people here, i too like the original cloud's hair style

As do I, I always thought his original hair was so much better than the CC/AC style, it's just so unique to him.

I would love this model with the classic hair.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-12-29 00:39:53: Am I the only person still eagerly awaiting the field models?

Or do i have to assume that this is never going to get finished?

Sorry for reviving an old thread, i felt i had to.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-12-29 00:44:38: i am just as eager my friend.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2009-12-29 00:56:58: Well, as long as there's still a demand, i guess it'll happen one day.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Soul on 2009-12-29 05:18:56: yeah.. im also waiting for apz field model.. but seems to me that theres no progress at all.. no offense.. :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-12-29 16:28:16: Quote from: Tetsujin on 2009-12-29 05:18:56
yeah.. im also waiting for apz field model.. but seems to me that theres no progress at all.. no offense.. :-D
Don't say "no progress at all" because APZ did clearly state a page ago that he was heavily occupied with events in life. I'm 100% sure he will continue, but it may take a while and especially since it is the holidays. But as long as we keep this thread alive, it'll be showing our demand for the field model, just like Neo stated.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: kula_wende on 2009-12-30 13:23:54: i want too of course the chibi model in field mode and i hope he release this chibi before i release mine.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2009-12-30 19:58:32: on the very first page of this topic, theres pictures of a chibi version of this release, which i just downloaded and installed for battle, but i'd like to use the chibi for outside battle as well, is there a download link?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2009-12-30 21:59:33: That one was made from the Kingdom Hearts Cloud model and can't be released for legal reasons.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2009-12-30 23:55:30: Quote from: DragonNinja on 2009-12-30 21:59:33
That one was made from the Kingdom Hearts Cloud model and can't be released for legal reasons.

......... f**k

:P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2009-12-31 03:44:35: APZ Here! Sorry guys I've been out for a LONG time but I haven't forgot about you!

Actually I have a WHOLE NEW CLOUD in the works. More details, actual modeled eyelids, fancier hair!

Stay tuned.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2009-12-31 06:19:10: is it actually in the works? i demand an immediat wip, of wtv u got... i wish to see this
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: HelloMyNameIs on 2009-12-31 11:45:40: Nice job, i would download it however im downloading that v2.4 remix patch so all the characters are modded/good graphics. If it works seperately, like i could have cloud and the rest from the 2.4 remix patch that would be great, btw i just looked at the kingdom hearts one, such a shame you can't release, why is it, would they sue you? I think the small models stand out the most (like the lego characters on ps1) Shame..
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2009-12-31 15:40:15: if it includes a cloud chibi, im set for life :P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2009-12-31 16:37:12: Quote from: apz freak on 2009-12-31 03:44:35
APZ Here! Sorry guys I've been out for a LONG time but I haven't forgot about you!

Actually I have a WHOLE NEW CLOUD in the works. More details, actual modeled eyelids, fancier hair!

Stay tuned.
Damn man you're awesome! :-D
Quote from: timu sumisu on 2009-12-31 06:19:10
is it actually in the works? i demand an immediat wip, of wtv u got... i wish to see this
Yes, I think we'd all want that! :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2009-12-31 19:36:16: A NEW NEW NEW one!?!?!

can we get a WIP shot or two? :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2010-01-01 06:02:44: How is it that I am both excited and somewhat upset by this news? I will sure miss the old APZ Cloud
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-01-01 15:15:53: i have all his cloud models backed up :-D though i am sure i will like his new one just as much if not more then this one.

Tell me APZ are you just retexturing? Or are you making a whole new model?

If i may, could i request an "original" buster sword model? i know there are some here that would rather use that one over the "completion" buster sword
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: HelloMyNameIs on 2010-01-01 16:59:57: It's good that your making cloud models but say you wanted to use it, but have the other characters in high res, what would happen, would you need to install a patch for high graphics and install the cloud one seperately? Or wouldn't that work?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Soul on 2010-01-02 06:14:04: so there is a new apz cloud coming huh.. this is going to be a blast!
just imagine his first cloud, it already looks awesome! :-D

@ drfeelgud88:
sorry about that.. :-(
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2010-01-02 06:28:52: Quote from: Tetsujin on 2010-01-02 06:14:04
@ drfeelgud88:
sorry about that.. :-(
It's okay. People make mistakes. All's well. :-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BloodShot on 2010-01-03 02:46:18: wow, a new APZ cloud model? Can't wait.

If it has clouds classic, original styled hair, that would make my <insert time period here>!!!!!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Soul on 2010-01-14 09:18:12: hey.. again, its been a while..
any progress?? :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2010-01-16 18:34:51: lol Wow, It just goes to show you that I haven't been forgotten yet!

I'll start a whole blog to keep you guys posted on the progress, because it's easier to have one place where I can dump all my WIP materials. Cause I like that kinda stuff!

It's good to hear people wanting this, trust me, I probably would forget this project if nobody cared! Once I get the blog up I'll keep you guys posted!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-01-16 18:50:35: Quote from: apz freak on 2010-01-16 18:34:51
lol Wow, It just goes to show you that I haven't been forgotten yet!

I'll start a whole blog to keep you guys posted on the progress, because it's easier to have one place where I can dump all my WIP materials. Cause I like that kinda stuff!

It's good to hear people wanting this, trust me, I probably would forget this project if nobody cared! Once I get the blog up I'll keep you guys posted!

your models, as well as the AC ones from Kula Wende are very, very important, because they're so awesome! :D

anyway im looking forward to the WIPs dude
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-01-16 19:26:28: APZ i'd never forget about you! :D or your epic models :-P

I can honestly say i am thrilled you are remaking your Cloud model. I mean your other was amazing, But you claim your new one will be better.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: willis936 on 2010-01-31 22:10:40: Woah just checked in after a while and I'm excited!!
I never heard what came of the field model idea, did that ever get released?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Grimmy on 2010-01-31 22:14:38: nope.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Fresh486 on 2010-01-31 22:21:41: were the original makers of ff7 lazy or something?
u blow there battle models out of the UNIVERSE
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-03-02 19:33:54: Necro just so Apz knows we haven't forgotten!

Also, no they worked with the power the had back then. a PS1 has a 34MHz single core Processor with 2mb of RAM and 1MB of video RAM. Not very powerful stuff..

Anyway, on topic. I eagerly await your upcoming release :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: therage800 on 2010-03-03 05:29:56: I just started modding a week ago and use the old APZ Cloud. Can't wait for the new one! (Especially a field one 8)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: idl12 on 2010-03-13 16:19:26: did apz ever get his blog up? sorry if i broke any rules here.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Soul on 2010-03-14 00:52:31: is there a progress report about this one? coz im waiting like forever now..
sorry to rush things.. i just want to see progress.. ;D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2010-03-14 07:16:24: I haven't forgotten, same old story, and I feel bad! But allot of personal things nobody cares about, like learning I'm about to be a father and making my own animated short for art school. It's all very busy!

<off topic>

http://apzfreak3dstudio.blogspot.com/

You can see the progress of my animated short here, I was gonna use this account to set up the cloud blog, but ya know, life happens! And really... I do feel bad leaving you guys in the wind! But with all the exercise I'm getting I'm gonna be REALLY good at making my models way faster and animating them for personal amusement.

The thing about the New Cloud is that I'll render bake the advanced materials and have more detail geometry, and the various different cloud to choose from!

oi, I tend to make more promises than 3 people can keep, and I fulfill at least 2 peoples worth a week!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Immortal Damyn on 2010-03-14 08:30:46: Good to see you're still alive my good sir. That's pretty awesome news, the daddy bit. At least I hope so, you ready for it?

Either way, good to hear from you.
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Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-03-14 15:27:33: no prob APZ, congratz on being a dad :D

Also, i like your blog :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: idl12 on 2010-03-14 15:28:56: yeah that character kinda looks like you, really good work, hope i can be that good someday :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2010-03-14 15:53:34: Gratz on bein a dad! n gratz on da school stuff, great work, should've posted yer blog earlier :P
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Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2010-03-15 07:07:03: Wow. Truly remarkable on everything you just said APZ. You'll excel in all of the above I'm sure of it.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2010-03-20 02:16:04: I'm one step away from making this happen... Hold tight!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2010-03-20 02:22:05: OH SNAP! ANTICIPATION!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2010-03-20 03:59:43: Quote from: apz freak on 2010-03-20 02:16:04
I'm one step away from making this happen... Hold tight!
*ish eager*
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timber on 2010-03-20 07:13:09: Various different cloud to choose from? Awesome :D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2010-03-20 12:18:23: Quote from: apz freak on 2010-03-20 02:16:04
I'm one step away from making this happen... Hold tight!

This makes me very happy ;D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: idl12 on 2010-03-20 13:16:46: amazing....(miraculously cured of leprosy :lol:)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-03-20 13:53:51: Quote from: apz freak on 2010-03-20 02:16:04
I'm one step away from making this happen... Hold tight!
-grips chair-
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Fresh486 on 2010-03-20 13:58:03: his 1 step away from finishing?

*heart attack*
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-03-20 19:44:07: *drooling at the mouth and refreshing every few seconds*
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Immortal Damyn on 2010-03-20 19:54:25: You know, that one step could still technically take a day or two to finish....>>
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-03-20 19:58:31: Quote from: Immortal Damyn on 2010-03-20 19:54:25
You know, that one step could still technically take a day or two to finish....>>

*still drooling and refreshing* i'll do dis all day if i haz to!!

lolspeak, it rules
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: idl12 on 2010-03-20 21:21:37: Time travelling powers , activate!...............................returns from future speechless, with brown underwear.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-20 23:14:22: apz freak will this new cloud model be in field and world map? If so then it be fricking awesome can't wait! :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: willis936 on 2010-03-21 02:44:05: *seizures*
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Post by: CloudyWolf on 2010-03-22 07:37:23: congrats on your 222nd post apz! :o
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Post by: apz freak on 2010-03-23 07:43:44: Check out my blog about the other school/nonFVII related thingy: http://apzfreak3dstudio.blogspot.com/

I'm literally THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS close to being done with this!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2010-03-23 08:05:17: Quote from: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-20 23:14:22
apz freak will this new cloud model be in field and world map? If so then it be fricking awesome can't wait! :-D

YES~!!!!!!!

I'm way faster now at doing this kinda stuff now!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-03-23 13:19:20: i almost wanna skip class to just keep refreshing this!!

hell, i would if it wasn't my culminating
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-23 13:37:14: Quote from: apz freak on 2010-03-23 08:05:17
Quote from: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-20 23:14:22
apz freak will this new cloud model be in field and world map? If so then it be fricking awesome can't wait! :-D

YES~!!!!!!!

I'm way faster now at doing this kinda stuff now!

ahhhhhh refreshing every second!!!

Show us some pictures... :-o
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2010-03-23 17:22:09: Quote from: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-23 13:37:14
Quote from: apz freak on 2010-03-23 08:05:17
Quote from: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-20 23:14:22
apz freak will this new cloud model be in field and world map? If so then it be fricking awesome can't wait! :-D

YES~!!!!!!!

I'm way faster now at doing this kinda stuff now!

ahhhhhh refreshing every second!!!

Show us some pictures... :-o

Well it ain't gonna be today! Give it a few days
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-23 17:24:19: awww ;D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-03-23 18:58:05: Is it just the battle model APZ? Or all of clouds models? Just th battle model and i'd still be extremely happy :D but if everything... -drools-
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: RazerM on 2010-03-25 05:02:19: Quote from: hellbringer616 on 2010-03-23 18:58:05
Is it just the battle model APZ? Or all of clouds models? Just th battle model and i'd still be extremely happy :D but if everything... -drools-

Quote from: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-20 23:14:22
apz freak will this new cloud model be in field and world map? If so then it be fricking awesome can't wait! :-D

YES~!!!!!!!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2010-03-26 06:30:21: Okay, give me a day or so to sleep :P

And I'll get to work on the cloud with a blog to keep track of the progress, and I'm way better and faster now, so it'll have like... WAY more polys but still smart simple and design.

In the mean by... that thing I was working on is DONE!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XxnF5zvXmk

AND IT'S AWESOME!!!!!!!! Hope you enjoy!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kranmer on 2010-03-26 06:58:05: wow nice video apz freak, what did you use to create the animation and how long did that take you ?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: albertopsp on 2010-03-26 09:14:55: Wow, video is fantastic ,good work!!!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: xCLOUDx on 2010-03-26 21:29:26: really nice video there and animation, its very professionally done and looks as good as any animated movie i have seen so two thumbs up...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-27 11:45:59: 4 days has gone how's the progress APZ? :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: madmarino on 2010-04-01 22:15:36: i have to say...you have some talent dude lol. i've only been checking out this sight for about 3 days and i'm already a BIG fan of your work. I'm looking forward to future models. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Fresh486 on 2010-04-04 21:40:57: is there any progress being made?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: ff7rules on 2010-04-05 14:55:44: God sakes, this is why I hate qhimm nowdays, its full of people that never want to contribute (I'm talking like people with less than 50 posts aka NOOBS) they only want, and never want to learn themselves. Look I'm sure hes working really hard on it but god damn it give the guy a break! I'm sure he has something called a "life" so just sit tight stop whining and wait! APZ will get it done I'm sure but in his own time. Oh and If anyone has ago at me for saying this I really don't care. I'm sure its on alot of peoples minds lately that this place is dead. I relise this is off topic but again I don't care. Best off luck with your cloud APZ looking forward to the progress you make with it. Oh and before people start heres the kind of thing im talking about.

Quote from: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-27 11:45:59
4 days has gone how's the progress APZ? :-D

Quote from: Fresh486 on 2010-04-04 21:40:57
is there any progress being made?

I think I made not just my point, but alot of veteran members point's here.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: ultima espio on 2010-04-05 14:57:20: Jeez, some people are so desparate for these its unreal. Its almost as if people just register here to scrounge work off of other people. If you want it done, learn to do it yourself.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: titeguy3 on 2010-04-05 15:00:11: Quote from: ff7rules on 2010-04-05 14:55:44
God sakes, this is why I hate qhimm nowdays, its full of people that never want to contribute (I'm talking like people with less than 50 posts aka NOOBS) they only want, and never want to learn themselves. Look I'm sure hes working really hard on it but god damn it give the guy a break! I'm sure he has something called a "life" so just sit tight stop whining and wait! APZ will get it done I'm sure but in his own time. Oh and If anyone has ago at me for saying this I really don't care. I'm sure its on alot of peoples minds lately that this place is dead. I relise this is off topic but again I don't care. Best off luck with your cloud APZ looking forward to the progress you make with it. Oh and before people start heres the kind of thing im talking about.

Quote from: Cloud1000 on 2010-03-27 11:45:59
4 days has gone how's the progress APZ? :-D

Quote from: Fresh486 on 2010-04-04 21:40:57
is there any progress being made?

I think I made not just my point, but alot of veteran members point's here.
This. Although without all the greedy n00bz, our work wouldn't get noticed as much, and I for one, enjoy the attention.

I say, if you're eager enough for something to be updated or released, quell your eagerness by reading through the entire thread. Then, if you still have something you want to know, go ahead and ask and we'll be happy to answer, but just know that we don't put deadlines on our work, so there's no way of knowing when something will be finished. Every now and again we might post updates if we've made a good amount of progress, but pestering only gets annoying.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: ff7rules on 2010-04-05 15:04:34: I agree entirely with what you just said TiteGuy3. If your that eager and keen to do it its all the more rewarding to know you have done it yourself! I think the line is drawn when they start Pming you constantly that just pisses me off.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-04-05 15:07:23: There does seem to have been an increase in the number of new people coming here and asking for models (there are quite a few asking for AC models as well).

At the moment, I'm inclined to say that it's random clustering; a statistical anomaly. Either that, or the newcomers are connected in some way. Maybe one person came here and told others. Maybe some work was posted on a forum or blog and its visitors have come here. in any case, I don't think we have enough evidence yet to say that there's a pattern.

EDIT:

Quote from: ff7rules on 2010-04-05 15:04:34
I agree entirely with what you just said TiteGuy3. If your that eager and keen to do it its all the more rewarding to know you have done it yourself! I think the line is drawn when they start Pming you constantly that just pisses me off.

Hmmm, having you been getting lots of PMs? Because I can see how that would be pretty annoying.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: ff7rules on 2010-04-05 15:12:25: Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-04-05 15:07:23
There does seem to have been an increase in the number of new people coming here and asking for models (there are quite a few asking for AC models as well).

At the moment, I'm inclined to say that it's random clustering; a statistical anomaly. Either that, or the newcomers are connected in some way. Maybe one person came here and told others. Maybe some work was posted on a forum or blog and its visitors have come here. in any case, I don't think we have enough evidence yet to say that there's a pattern.

EDIT:

Quote from: ff7rules on 2010-04-05 15:04:34
I agree entirely with what you just said TiteGuy3. If your that eager and keen to do it its all the more rewarding to know you have done it yourself! I think the line is drawn when they start Pming you constantly that just pisses me off.

Hmmm, having you been getting lots of PMs? Because I can see how that would be pretty annoying.

Hey Kudistos long time to speak lol.

Yeah quite alot of Pms recently, Its actually what made me visit the site today I had 4 unread messages all begging me to release Climhazzard. Don't get me wrong I am chuffed people want my patch so bad but when it comes to begging me to release it its just annoying. Anyway This is Off Topic so sorry to APZ I just felt it had to be said.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-04-05 17:43:07: i've been waiting, and waiting patiently, and i shall agree that alot of the newer guys that post over and over again "so whats going on, progress, is it done, bla bla bla"

especially when your looking through posts for information

anyways, for the newer people, HOLD YOUR DAMN HORSES, as for me, i'm in the mood for some pizza :P

(i know i myself have been very impatient in the past, so i apologize in advance for that)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: ff7rules on 2010-04-05 17:53:27: Quote from: Jaitsu on 2010-04-05 17:43:07
i'm in the mood for some pizza :P

I second that!! also im glad im not the only one who is sick of people nagging. Nothing to say sorry for you at least contribute something to the forums :P PIZZA :lol: anyway back on topic!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Fresh486 on 2010-04-05 21:43:16: i wasn't being greedy or scrounging....
he hasn't posted in his thread in awhile and i was just wondering.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: idl12 on 2010-04-05 22:58:28: Don't worry, just be patient, good things come to those wait(does not apply to girlfriends....)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-04-06 12:08:33: Quote from: idl12 on 2010-04-05 22:58:28
Don't worry, just be patient, good things come to those wait(does not apply to girlfriends....)

(or exam studying)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: therage800 on 2010-04-06 23:09:25: Quote from: Jaitsu on 2010-04-06 12:08:33
Quote from: idl12 on 2010-04-05 22:58:28
Don't worry, just be patient, good things come to those wait(does not apply to girlfriends....)

(or exam studying)

Study? Whatever does that mean? :P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2010-04-08 04:35:12: You know it's pretty damn impressive that I'm that admired and sought after here!

Yeah, I get a TON PM's, sorry guys! I don't really mean to be a JackA$$ about it, but there's no way to answer all of them or supply everyone who demands of me models! And Trust me! I've sent a couple of those annoying pm's myself before I learned how to hack into this game! :D

I know I promised more! But you know, sleep for a change instead of tireless working seemed like a good thing to do for my blood pressure! I'm only 24 and I have a constant BP of 145/85. Which isn't necessarily a good thing for someone my age who's ridiculously healthy like me! (A manual labor job outside tends to do that!) But it isn't necessarily life threatening (for now) either... so whatever!

So to those people who defend me ;) I bow to you! Really! Thank you!

I don't have anything more than a properly sized cluster of polygons to get the scale right to show right now, if I work on it more than 20 mins, I've have something to show! lol
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: willis936 on 2010-04-08 04:53:58: *seizures*
*again*
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2010-04-08 05:38:50: I don't know how many times I've said this but I truly cannot wait!!
All of us here admire your work and I don't think I have met anyone say otherwise!
Keep it up, we're all rooting for you! :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-04-08 14:31:26: Quote from: apz freak on 2010-04-08 04:35:12
So to those people who defend me ;) I bow to you! Really! Thank you!

*readies shotgun and N00B repelant*
Got your back APZ! 8-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: VampyreStuart on 2010-04-19 18:13:03: Hey sorry I'm one of the n00bs and I am aware I'm about to be shotgunned, however, is this forum mods for only people who know how to mod?

I have no idea how to make 3D models or mod or anything and I was just coming here to use the good ones I found, I can't really contribute back...

I'm done, fire away lol.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2010-04-19 18:19:50: Quote from: VampyreStuart on 2010-04-19 18:13:03
Hey sorry I'm one of the n00bs and I am aware I'm about to be shotgunned, however, is this forum mods for only people who know how to mod?

I have no idea how to make 3D models or mod or anything and I was just coming here to use the good ones I found, I can't really contribute back...

I'm done, fire away lol.
Just don't beg to be hand fed and you are more than welcome here
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nightmarish on 2010-04-19 18:26:32: Damn, i was about to beg for Vincent and Vincent limit break models ;D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2010-04-19 18:28:28: Quote from: Nightmarish on 2010-04-19 18:26:32
Damn, i was about to beg for Vincent and Vincent limit break models ;D

Vincent is already done fool! well... just needs textures.. and uvs :P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nightmarish on 2010-04-19 21:03:59: Quote from: Timu Sumisu on 2010-04-19 18:28:28
Quote from: Nightmarish on 2010-04-19 18:26:32
Damn, i was about to beg for Vincent and Vincent limit break models ;D

Vincent is already done fool! well... just needs textures.. and uvs :P

Can you get me a sneak peek Timu? 8-)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2010-04-20 05:18:51: Quote from: Nightmarish on 2010-04-19 21:03:59
Can you get me a sneak peek Timu? 8-)

look in the TA main character thread... I posted progress on the model for a week or two until it was done :P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Lion on 2010-04-23 21:55:32: this seems really cool, and i'm pretty excited to use it lol. Just wondering where I should put the folder in so that FF uses those models instead. I don't care if you're not finished or it's not perfect cause this patch looks amazing. (I'm a bit of a noob sorry, but I love Final Fantasy 7 if it counts for anything =P)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: MartialKnight on 2010-04-24 01:43:02: Heya APZ

I think your model for Cloud is AWESOME!!! You've done perfect in capturing the feel of the character in my opinion. I have a request though, and a similar one as I posted to the Team Avalanche thread: Would you mind taking the battle model you've already completed and converting it to a field model? I like that the modders of this game want to keep the original feel of the game by making chibi field models, but I love the battle models-->field models mod in the remix patch from titeguy, and I prefer the more realistically proportioned battle models as opposed to the chibi (especially during the dialogue "cutscenes").

And two thumbs, two knees, and ten toes up on your model man!!!! it's AWESOME!!! :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Prince Lex on 2010-04-24 02:35:54: MartialKnight, if you had read through this thead, you'd see that it's on his to-do list.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: MartialKnight on 2010-04-24 03:15:36: Oh, okie dokie, my bad! ;D I'm glad to hear that though, thanks for the info Lex ;D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-01 16:22:54: Quote from: MartialKnight on 2010-04-24 03:15:36
Oh, okie dokie, my bad! ;D I'm glad to hear that though, thanks for the info Lex ;D
You can do it yourself. It's pretty easy with kimera.. I've done it myself.. ;D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: poptdp on 2010-05-18 13:46:50: any updates on the chibi field model of cloud?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Nightmarish on 2010-05-18 15:20:52: He's he even active?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-18 15:23:27: Hmm.. Haven't seen any new posts by Apz lately.. Wonder if he's working on his new Cloud Model. We'll be patient but any updates would be fun. :)

EDIT:By the way what color are you going to use for the new model?? I've edited some of the texture of your model and came up with a greyish color and I kinda liked it.
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn197/nikfrozty/piman.jpg)
Just a suggestion though. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: poptdp on 2010-05-19 05:14:45: at first i didnt like the apz cloud so much compared to normal cloud... but after a while of using it, i LOVE it. i really want it as a field model now, tall of chibi, doesnt matter (without sword though)

i find myself going into battle just to look at it lol
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 11:20:30: Well Apz is making a new Cloud model with the field model and a chibi model too.. If you can't wait convert the battle model to field model yourself!! :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-19 13:46:54: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 11:20:30
Well Apz is making a new Cloud model with the field model and a chibi model too.. If you can't wait convert the battle model to field model yourself!! :)

i tried to convert the apz cloud model to field, but i never really understood how :P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 14:25:11: Quote from: Jaitsu on 2010-05-19 13:46:54
Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 11:20:30
Well Apz is making a new Cloud model with the field model and a chibi model too.. If you can't wait convert the battle model to field model yourself!! :)

i tried to convert the apz cloud model to field, but i never really understood how :P
Well kimera is the easiest program that is in this forums. I wouldn't actually mind if Apz only release the battle model but hope it is soon I like playing the game with some mods converted or made by me. :) Its fun. hehe
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-19 21:41:52: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 14:25:11
Quote from: Jaitsu on 2010-05-19 13:46:54
Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 11:20:30
Well Apz is making a new Cloud model with the field model and a chibi model too.. If you can't wait convert the battle model to field model yourself!! :)

i tried to convert the apz cloud model to field, but i never really understood how :P
Well kimera is the easiest program that is in this forums. I wouldn't actually mind if Apz only release the battle model but hope it is soon I like playing the game with some mods converted or made by me. :) Its fun. hehe

i know i need kimera, and i've tried, i've just never understood it, maybe if there was a specific tutorial for the apz cloud model, then i could do it, but no way in hell i can do it the way i am right now
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 21:48:56: Well I just learned by playing it cause I was practicing blender and turns out that its so hard but I know a little. And when I tried to use kimera it seemed much easier if its just to convert battle to field or bike.lgp that is. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-19 21:52:10: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 21:48:56
Well I just learned by playing it cause I was practicing blender and turns out that its so hard but I know a little. And when I tried to use kimera it seemed much easier if its just to convert battle to field or bike.lgp that is. :)

lol well if you ever write a specific tutorial, lemme know, otherwise, i'll stick to giving suggestions, like a good boy (im not tobi damnit)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 22:21:19: Ok then but I'll not tutor you on how to use some programs I'm lazy. :D
1. You'll need Biturn, Kimera (I use v0.91) and the download folder of Battle Apz Cloud in your desktop for easier access.
2. Open Biturn then convert "rtac" to FF7 Texture.
3. Then open the original field model in the PRP patch or NPC Rejuvenation patch in kimera so that you could resize it with a guide to resize to.
4. Click the head then click "add part to bone" then choose "rtao" in the Apz cloud battle folder then resize it which looks right to you and close to the size of the original.
5. Do the same for the body but choose the body part in the Apz cloud battle folder. For you to know the part you will add open another kimera then open "rtaa" in the apz cloud battle folder. If you need to add the body double click on the body then you will see the name of the file you need.
6. After you're done with all the parts start again with the head then click "show texture options. After that click add texture then remember the file you converted in Biturn?? Add that texture then do this with all the parts of the body.
7. When you're done with all the parts save it on a new folder and name it aaaa.hrc
8. You should already know about how to use lgptools right?? Do those and you're done. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-19 22:41:54: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 22:21:19
Ok then but I'll not tutor you on how to use some programs I'm lazy. :D
1. You'll need Biturn, Kimera (I use v0.91) and the download folder of Battle Apz Cloud in your desktop for easier access.
2. Open Biturn then convert "rtac" to FF7 Texture.
3. Then open the original field model in the PRP patch or NPC Rejuvenation patch in kimera so that you could resize it with a guide to resize to.
4. Click the head then click "add part to bone" then choose "rtao" in the Apz cloud battle folder then resize it which looks right to you and close to the size of the original.
5. Do the same for the body but choose the body part in the Apz cloud battle folder. For you to know the part you will add open another kimera then open "rtaa" in the apz cloud battle folder. If you need to add the body double click on the body then you will see the name of the file you need.
6. After you're done with all the parts start again with the head then click "show texture options. After that click add texture then remember the file you converted in Biturn?? Add that texture then do this with all the parts of the body.
7. When you're done with all the parts save it on a new folder and name it aaaa.hrc
8. You should already know about how to use lgptools right?? Do those and you're done. :)

course i know how to use lgp tools :P but i will use this guide asap, as soon as i can use by bloody laptop >.<
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Tidus_654 on 2010-05-21 21:51:23: Any news on the new Cloud Model? :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-22 03:58:42: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 22:21:19
Ok then but I'll not tutor you on how to use some programs I'm lazy. :D
1. You'll need Biturn, Kimera (I use v0.91) and the download folder of Battle Apz Cloud in your desktop for easier access.
2. Open Biturn then convert "rtac" to FF7 Texture.
3. Then open the original field model in the PRP patch or NPC Rejuvenation patch in kimera so that you could resize it with a guide to resize to.
4. Click the head then click "add part to bone" then choose "rtao" in the Apz cloud battle folder then resize it which looks right to you and close to the size of the original.
5. Do the same for the body but choose the body part in the Apz cloud battle folder. For you to know the part you will add open another kimera then open "rtaa" in the apz cloud battle folder. If you need to add the body double click on the body then you will see the name of the file you need.
6. After you're done with all the parts start again with the head then click "show texture options. After that click add texture then remember the file you converted in Biturn?? Add that texture then do this with all the parts of the body.
7. When you're done with all the parts save it on a new folder and name it aaaa.hrc
8. You should already know about how to use lgptools right?? Do those and you're done. :)

i only need to ask how to convert with biturn, i know how to use Kimera
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: therage800 on 2010-05-22 04:10:50: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 22:21:19

2. Open Biturn then convert "rtac" to FF7 Texture.

Aha! Thank you! That's the step I've been missing. I tried this myself but could only get some of the textures to work (The rest were white). ;D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-22 04:28:20: Quote from: therage800 on 2010-05-22 04:10:50
Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 22:21:19

2. Open Biturn then convert "rtac" to FF7 Texture.

Aha! Thank you! That's the step I've been missing. I tried this myself but could only get some of the textures to work (The rest were white). ;D

i've just tried doing this on my own and i;m getting a weird error, everytime i try to apply the rtac.TEX to the head, i get

"Error opening C:\Users\Brandon\Desktop\rtac.TEX
Error 9"
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BloodShot on 2010-05-22 11:59:17: Why does everybody say biturn is needed to do this? I've never used it once, and all my model rescales to field with kimera only have worked fine, including APZs.

What exactly does it do for it?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-22 16:19:04: Quote from: bloodshot on 2010-05-22 11:59:17
Why does everybody say biturn is needed to do this? I've never used it once, and all my model rescales to field with kimera only have worked fine, including APZs.

What exactly does it do for it?

converts the texture file for use as a field model
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: sithlord48 on 2010-05-22 16:40:14: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 22:21:19
2. Open Biturn then convert "rtac" to FF7 Texture.
wait isn't the file already a ff7 texture? you should only have to rename it,for your textures to work.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: therage800 on 2010-05-23 04:53:52: Quote from: sithlord48 on 2010-05-22 16:40:14
Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 22:21:19
2. Open Biturn then convert "rtac" to FF7 Texture.
wait isn't the file already a ff7 texture? you should only have to rename it,for your textures to work.

That's what I did and only Clouds head and chest were textured. I haven't tried it using Biturn yet, though.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 05:57:31: Quote from: sithlord48 on 2010-05-22 16:40:14
Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-19 22:21:19
2. Open Biturn then convert "rtac" to FF7 Texture.
wait isn't the file already a ff7 texture? you should only have to rename it,for your textures to work.

TT_TT im so confused
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 12:36:20: Well actually when I converted the battle model to field model I opened Biturn to know what are the p models and their texture files. And I never tried just renaming the part to be a .tex file so if its possible then try it, its more easier that way. And you can also use Img2Tex by Borde if you want to change some of clouds texture and make sure its not saved as transparent. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 16:04:09: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 12:36:20
Well actually when I converted the battle model to field model I opened Biturn to know what are the p models and their texture files. And I never tried just renaming the part to be a .tex file so if its possible then try it, its more easier that way. And you can also use Img2Tex by Borde if you want to change some of clouds texture and make sure its not saved as transparent. :)

TT_TT still confused
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 16:15:56: Is that so?? Well I still wish you luck.. At least you'd want to learn instead of other members who keep on sending PM's. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 16:48:40: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 16:15:56
Is that so?? Well I still wish you luck.. At least you'd want to learn instead of other members who keep on sending PM's. :)

ight, lemme just ask what you recomment doing to the original texture for the battle model, i just wanna make it work for meh.

oh, and im having trouble replacing the sword on clouds back... hmmmz...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 17:15:22: Quote from: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 16:48:40
Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 16:15:56
Is that so?? Well I still wish you luck.. At least you'd want to learn instead of other members who keep on sending PM's. :)

ight, lemme just ask what you recomment doing to the original texture for the battle model, i just wanna make it work for meh.

oh, and im having trouble replacing the sword on clouds back... hmmmz...
What do you mean?? Are you asking about how to change the texture of the battle model?? And what kind of trouble do you have?? White Texture?? Going through Cloud's body?? And where did you attach the sword?? Post all of those and I'll help you. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 17:21:01: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 17:15:22
Quote from: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 16:48:40
Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 16:15:56
Is that so?? Well I still wish you luck.. At least you'd want to learn instead of other members who keep on sending PM's. :)

ight, lemme just ask what you recomment doing to the original texture for the battle model, i just wanna make it work for meh.

oh, and im having trouble replacing the sword on clouds back... hmmmz...
What do you mean?? Are you asking about how to change the texture of the battle model?? And what kind of trouble do you have?? White Texture?? Going through Cloud's body?? And where did you attach the sword?? Post all of those and I'll help you. :)

what mode of turning the original texture into a battle texture do you recommend, as for the sword, appon placing it on the bone and resizing, its right in the middle of cloud, facing the wrong way, and won't position well. i might just need to take the sword off though
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 17:43:17: What original texture are you talking about?? If you're talking about the original sword SquareSoft made it is with the models and you can't get them. Why would you want it anyway?? The newer ones like Apz is much better. Anyways where did you add the sword?? Add it to the waist of cloud and you should have the sword in the middle of Cloud's body. Turn it by Alpha and Beta and see when it looks right. Then save it to a new folder, close kimera then open it again then open the file you've saved. Then it will be much easier to position them now that the sword is saved as a field file not a battle file. Sorry if I'm not explaining well, really tired I've just came home and its just now that I access Qhimm again.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 17:44:02: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 17:43:17
What original texture are you talking about?? If you're talking about the original sword SquareSoft made it is with the models and you can't get them. Why would you want it anyway?? The newer ones like Apz is much better. Anyways where did you add the sword?? Add it to the waist of cloud and you should have the sword in the middle of Cloud's body. Turn it by Alpha and Beta and see when it looks right. Then save it to a new folder, close kimera then open it again then open the file you've saved. Then it will be much easier to position them now that the sword is saved as a field file not a battle file. Sorry if I'm not explaining well, really tired I've just came home and its just now that I access Qhimm again.

-.- im talking about the apz texture, from your guide
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 17:49:52: From the battle files you will see the file rtad right?? Open Biturn then convert rtad to a ff7 texture. After doing that just open your Apz Cloud field model then click on the sword then click show texture options then add the the texture file rtad. Try adding it two times because in the first time the texture will not show. Remember add it two times or more times but for me two is enough.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2010-05-23 17:58:50: Textures are the same for the field and for battle. To convert battle texture "RTAD" to a field texture, rename it to "RTAD.tex" and now it will work in the field
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 18:14:44: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 17:49:52
From the battle files you will see the file rtad right?? Open Biturn then convert rtad to a ff7 texture. After doing that just open your Apz Cloud field model then click on the sword then click show texture options then add the the texture file rtad. Try adding it two times because in the first time the texture will not show. Remember add it two times or more times but for me two is enough.

i did that, and i got error 9, as said earlier
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 20:45:20: What version of kimera are you using?? If it still does not work try what Obesebear posted maybe it will work for you.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 23:06:45: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 20:45:20
What version of kimera are you using?? If it still does not work try what Obesebear posted maybe it will work for you.

latest one, i can't find a download for the version you use
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 23:40:09: You can its just a few pages back in the kimera thread.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-23 23:48:14: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-23 23:40:09
You can its just a few pages back in the kimera thread.

can i get a link
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: idl12 on 2010-05-24 00:10:37: http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=4194.425

All available versions of Kimera below 9.5 are on this page, since you're dealing with field models I think you'll be needing version 9.1, since the latest tends to screw up their textures.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-24 00:23:59: Quote from: idl12 on 2010-05-24 00:10:37
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=4194.425

All available versions of Kimera below 9.5 are on this page, since you're dealing with field models I think you'll be needing version 9.1, since the latest tends to screw up their textures.

that would explain my latest problem then :P

EDIT

im having some serious problems, with resizing and repositioning, im not given the ability to place them WHERE i need them or how big or small, they always go over or under, especially with the damn hands
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: idl12 on 2010-05-24 01:04:45: Repositioning is always the hard part, you're gonna have to play around with it for a while, what I would do is move a part by sliding the appropriate bar, then when you've gotten close to what you want, manually type in numbers one by one until you get what you want.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-24 01:11:43: Quote from: idl12 on 2010-05-24 01:04:45
Repositioning is always the hard part, you're gonna have to play around with it for a while, what I would do is move a part by sliding the appropriate bar, then when you've gotten close to what you want, manually type in numbers one by one until you get what you want.

thats the problem, to get it wear i need it, i'd have to use decimals, and for some weird reason, decimals don't work in this

EDIT

>.< thats it, i give up, i just can't freaking get this thing to work, i'll post a picture just so you see the problem

(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/Jaitsu/forums.jpg)

as you can see, the right (left on front view) hand isn't sizable to what i need it to be, and i can't get the left foot tip to go right, i don't even wanna TRY to do the other leg. im so annoyed
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: idl12 on 2010-05-24 01:17:11: you sure you need decimals? You can make really minute movements by click on the arrows next to the repositioning bars, that has always done it for me.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-24 01:18:21: Quote from: idl12 on 2010-05-24 01:17:11
you sure you need decimals? You can make really minute movements by click on the arrows next to the repositioning bars, that has always done it for me.

nah, its not working for me, and im done, im so frustrated im loosing hair to my hands. im gonna just wait for the new APZ if it ever comes out, sinse no one else is allowed to post an already finished field model of the APZ, >.< someone put me out of my misery
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: idl12 on 2010-05-24 01:23:19: Well, at least you made it further than me, I've yet to even get the parts into kimera in the first place. (Laziness)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-24 01:55:24: Quote from: idl12 on 2010-05-24 01:23:19
Well, at least you made it further than me, I've yet to even get the parts into kimera in the first place. (Laziness)

well im just giving up, its not worth trying constantly only to get frustrated when the damn thing won't position right
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-24 05:15:49: I know what your problem is. In the picture after you have resized it which is close to what you need it to be resized just save it in a folder in the desktop named aaaa.hrc. Then close kimera. Open Kimera again then Open model then choose the folder I've told you to do and open it. When you open it you will have it as 100 again but in the same size as you saved it before.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-25 02:43:45: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-24 05:15:49
I know what your problem is. In the picture after you have resized it which is close to what you need it to be resized just save it in a folder in the desktop named aaaa.hrc. Then close kimera. Open Kimera again then Open model then choose the folder I've told you to do and open it. When you open it you will have it as 100 again but in the same size as you saved it before.

i think i'll find an easier model before trying the APZ again, well, at least im half good at kimera, now i need to find out how to model
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-25 06:44:22: Well I myself is practicing blender since its free. And there's a free tutorial aroung here at qhimm. I think it was Timu Sumisu who made the tutorial. Anyways Good Luck. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-27 01:02:29: i tried again and actually am almost done, im done one of the legs, but i have one issue, the foot messes up badly when doing walk and run animations
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BloodShot on 2010-05-27 01:59:45: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-24 05:15:49
I know what your problem is. In the picture after you have resized it which is close to what you need it to be resized just save it in a folder in the desktop named aaaa.hrc. Then close kimera. Open Kimera again then Open model then choose the folder I've told you to do and open it. When you open it you will have it as 100 again but in the same size as you saved it before.

There's a much quicker way to do that, just double click on it after you resized it and hit apply, it resets all the values to the 100 default without needing to reopen it.

I don't get why you guys have so much trouble with converting battle to field with kimera, i found it pretty easy :-D
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-27 08:17:55: What version of kimera do you use bloodshot?? When I first tried to use kimera my version was 0.91 and that's why I needed to close kimera then load it again. You're using the latest right??
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-27 12:29:04: once i finish fixing animations, i see one more problem

to make it look right in my eyes, i hat to make him a bit taller than the normal field cloud, so right now if i check floor, he's knee deep, once i fix this, i can see this being a huge issue with him being much taller than everyone else.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-27 12:34:54: Don't mess with the compute ground height man. Cloud may look right if he's feet is above ground but all the other models who use the standing animation the same as cloud they will also go up so that means Cloud's feet is on the ground and the other NPC's who uses aafe.a will float.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-27 12:36:41: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-27 12:34:54
Don't mess with the compute ground height man. Cloud may look right if he's feet is above ground but all the other models who use the standing animation the same as cloud they will also go up so that means Cloud's feet is on the ground and the other NPC's who uses aafe.a will float.

>.< so basically im screwed
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-27 12:40:05: I think you could edit some things in the flevel.lgp to make all the models to stand right but that's going to take long since you're going to edit "every" model so if you don't have a backup with you're apz cloud in field I can't offer you any advices but to edit the backup with no touch by the compute ground height button. That's why I don't use the latest too I advice you to use 0.93. I don't have any problems with it.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-27 12:42:49: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-27 12:40:05
I think you could edit some things in the flevel.lgp to make all the models to stand right but that's going to take long since you're going to edit "every" model so if you don't have a backup with you're apz cloud in field I can't offer you any advices but to edit the backup with no touch by the compute ground height button. That's why I don't use the latest too I advice you to use 0.93. I don't have any problems with it.

O.o my problem was just that when it ried to size it the same as the NRP RP he didn't look right, so i made him a little taller.

i wish the game would automatically resize the blasted thing when i try to use the model, it would save me alot of work.

while im at it, im getting hella-trouble from trying to put the bustersword on his back, every time i try to apply the texture... well.... lets just say swords ain't supposed to look like that.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-27 12:52:57: What is the name of the texture file you use with the sword?? The default is rtad right?? Try changing it with name like buster.tex and apply that texture to the sword to see if its right. And if you make him taller make sure he does not go too much because the bones are made for the chibi version and that's the problem with high rez field models. You can't make them much taller because when you do their animation will look like sh*t.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-27 13:00:38: when i get home, im gonna finish the model and try to size it down, maybe thats the problem with the animations on the legs

EDIT
im about to post about three pictures showing my progress as well as the issues stated, including the ones im posting now

(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/Jaitsu/cloudfrontnoanimation.jpg)

(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/Jaitsu/cloudnoanimationfrontgroundchecked.jpg)

(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/Jaitsu/cloudsiderunninganimation.jpg)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2010-05-27 15:40:12: You have his foot connected to the wrong bone most likely.
Borde has mentioned a way to give each character their own animations. Meaning, it is possible to give Cloud his own individual animations and "compute ground height" won't mess up other models. I haven't looked into it though.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-27 15:48:28: Quote from: obesebear on 2010-05-27 15:40:12
You have his foot connected to the wrong bone most likely.
Borde has mentioned a way to give each character their own animations. Meaning, it is possible to give Cloud his own individual animations and "compute ground height" won't mess up other models. I haven't looked into it though.
Its possible to do that?? Then that means we can rename and make a new animation like cloud.a?? Wow!! Where did Borde mention that?? I'd like to take a look at it. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2010-05-27 16:55:02: I honestly don't know where, I've looked for it but no luck.

Maybe it's in the flevel? All you would theoretically have to do is tell the game to load animation "stand.a" for Cloud instead of his current stand animation. And of course you would have to create a "stand.a" and put it in char.lgp

I haven't really looked into the files though. And we should probably quit cluttering APZ' thread like this
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-27 17:17:06: Hmm then I need Meteor program then?? And sorry for messing with Apz' thread.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-28 03:01:45: i think the problem is simply i've made him to tall, i know i got it on the right bone part
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-28 10:25:38: I think you should make a new thread about this or post in the kimera thread so that we'll not steal Apz thread. Just keep messing with it and you'll get it. My first time I also had the problem about Apz Cloud shoes since its two different parts but you'll get it. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 15:28:48: I can't launch LGPtools. And worst of all, Qhimm won't let me upload or even use a link for an Avatar.

Quote from: lgptools.exe
The program can't start because ficedula.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem.

I unpacked the LGPtools zip twice. I even got the source zip, but I don't know where to unpack the files. @.@
I'm using Windows 7.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-29 15:39:44: Quote from: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 15:28:48
I can't launch LGPtools. And worst of all, Qhimm won't let me upload or even use a link for an Avatar.

Quote from: lgptools.exe
The program can't start because ficedula.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem.

I unpacked the LGPtools zip twice. I even got the source zip, but I don't know where to unpack the files. @.@
I'm using Windows 7.

did you LOOK for this issue? its a common one, you need Ficedula.dll, which does NOT always come with programs like LGPTools. and is your avatar to large.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-29 15:41:23: Quote from: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 15:28:48
I can't launch LGPtools. And worst of all, Qhimm won't let me upload or even use a link for an Avatar.

Quote from: lgptools.exe
The program can't start because ficedula.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem.

I unpacked the LGPtools zip twice. I even got the source zip, but I don't know where to unpack the files. @.@
I'm using Windows 7.
This should be in the Tech related thread. Just unpack the files to any folder and there should be two dll files that comes with lgptools. Put it there too so that lgptools will work.
Note:Aali made a new lgp.exe and unlgp.exe thats much easier to use with .bat files. And for your avatar, try sizing it down to 100x100. That's the size of my avatar and it is in .gif extension.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-29 15:43:02: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-29 15:41:23
Quote from: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 15:28:48
I can't launch LGPtools. And worst of all, Qhimm won't let me upload or even use a link for an Avatar.

Quote from: lgptools.exe
The program can't start because ficedula.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem.

I unpacked the LGPtools zip twice. I even got the source zip, but I don't know where to unpack the files. @.@
I'm using Windows 7.
This should be in the Tech related thread. Just unpack the files to any folder and there should be two dll files that comes with lgptools. Put it there too so that lgptools will work.
Note:Aali made a new lgp.exe and unlgp.exe thats much easier to use with .bat files.

i think we need to start crackin down on these guys buddy, there not searching before asking (this is a very easy issue to fix, very talked about)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-29 15:46:48: Agreed. But I can't help it. I kind of want to help them since they only want to play the game properly. And who knows maybe they'll contribute "someday".
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 15:51:05: Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-29 15:46:48
Agreed. But I can't help it. I kind of want to help them since they only want to play the game properly. And who knows maybe they'll contribute "someday".
What're you two going on about? o.O
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-29 15:53:22: Not much. Just want some new people to use the search button in the upper right corner. Try using it next time okay?? :) I'm sure your question about lgptools have been answered before.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 16:08:36: I'll post this in the Technical Support area, then. I'm also currently searching "ficedula.dll" in the forums. If one of you have the "ficedula.dll" file, can you just send it to me and tell me where you had it?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-29 16:10:11: Quote from: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 16:08:36
I'll post this in the Technical Support area, then. I'm also currently searching "ficedula.dll" in the forums. If one of you have the "ficedula.dll" file, can you just send it to me and tell me where you had it?

-.- tell you what, search until you find the easy download. and if you can't after about an hour, then ask, then i'll take the time to dig it up and host it right away.

sorry if i sound like a jerk, just a little annoyed that people won't search before asking
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-29 16:12:29: Quote from: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 16:08:36
I'll post this in the Technical Support area, then. I'm also currently searching "ficedula.dll" in the forums. If one of you have the "ficedula.dll" file, can you just send it to me and tell me where you had it?
You can get it when you download ff7music. Its included in the download. Search for it in game tweaking. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 16:47:31: I have FF7Music151, unpacked it into Ficedula, and didn't get any further than clicking the "Configure" button (I failed to figure everything out). There are 20 files in the Ficedula folder now. Not a single Ficedula.dll file.
The true problem is that most link download links for certain FF7 mod files are broken by now.

However, the problem has been solved. All I needed to do was go to http://ficedula.aaron-kelley.net/ (http://ficedula.aaron-kelley.net/) and downloaded FiceLib 1.50. Inside I found the Ficedula.dll file. I am now following procedures to get this skin/model into the game.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 17:04:02: It all worked out, but is there any mod that also changes the appearance of Cloud while adventuring through towns and what-not?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-29 23:47:57: Quote from: Yarow12 on 2010-05-29 17:04:02
It all worked out, but is there any mod that also changes the appearance of Cloud while adventuring through towns and what-not?

-.- im gonna say this again, see that nifty search bar in the right upper corner?

it is your friend, try it out before asking this question
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-30 00:30:17: And also no double posting please. :) Just modify your last post if you want to add something.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Yarow12 on 2010-05-30 04:31:48: I will from now on obey the law that is Qhimm. I'll also do the search.
To pay back the Qhimm, here's something that's super special awesome... for Final Fantasy VII fans.
Awesome Fantasy 7 by Egoraptor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_yFZZdYrVw&fmt=18)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-05-30 05:12:20: Quote from: Yarow12 on 2010-05-30 04:31:48
I will from now on obey the law that is Qhimm. I'll also do the search.
To pay back the Qhimm, here's something that's super special awesome... for Final Fantasy VII fans.
Awesome Fantasy 7 by Egoraptor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_yFZZdYrVw&fmt=18)

ah yes ^_^ always get a laugh from egoraptor's stuff
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: nikfrozty on 2010-05-30 06:05:55: Well Cloud with an ipod can actually make him kind of cooler in the main game. Kind of giving me an idea.. Hmm.. :)
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: poptdp on 2010-06-06 17:39:29: after hours of trying to convert the apz battle model to field, i give up. cant someone just pm me their file? if its illegal or whatever, its not like the cops are one this site! i keep getting that damn error 9 when i try adding the texture. someone please help!
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2010-06-06 17:46:09: Quote from: poptdp on 2010-06-06 17:39:29
after hours of trying to convert the apz battle model to field, i give up. cant someone just pm me their file? if its illegal or whatever, its not like the cops are one this site! i keep getting that damn error 9 when i try adding the texture. someone please help!
Wait a second! You have irrefutable evidence there are no cops on this site? How did you manage that? You must be CIA or something.
APZ already made it perfectly clear he doesn't want anyone to release a field model version of his Cloud. But you've made a strong point and proven how super special you are... so I'll PM mine to you... lol

I also see you are having problems with Kimera, so just for you I have added a convenient search button for the forums. Keep in mind SEARCH is a brand new feature, and isn't perfect, but I think you will find an answer to your problem.
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: poptdp on 2010-06-06 18:42:04: Quote from: obesebear on 2010-06-06 17:46:09
Quote from: poptdp on 2010-06-06 17:39:29
after hours of trying to convert the apz battle model to field, i give up. cant someone just pm me their file? if its illegal or whatever, its not like the cops are one this site! i keep getting that damn error 9 when i try adding the texture. someone please help!
Wait a second! You have irrefutable evidence there are no cops on this site? How did you manage that? You must be CIA or something.
APZ already made it perfectly clear he doesn't want anyone to release a field model version of his Cloud. But you've made a strong point and proven how super special you are... so I'll PM mine to you... lol

I also see you are having problems with Kimera, so just for you I have added a convenient search button for the forums. Keep in mind SEARCH is a brand new feature, and isn't perfect, but I think you will find an answer to your problem.

thanks for the pm. FINALLY i can now have a good looking field model :)
props to you
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: DarkFang on 2010-06-06 18:44:09: Lol?

Which field model did you PM him?
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2010-06-06 18:56:41: You're welcome! Lol.

Quote from: DarkFang on 2010-06-06 18:44:09
Lol?

Which field model did you PM him?
You need to upgrade your sarcasm detector, you're clearly using an outdated version. :P
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: DarkFang on 2010-06-06 18:57:25: Quote from: obesebear on 2010-06-06 18:56:41
You're welcome! Lol.

Quote from: DarkFang on 2010-06-06 18:44:09
Lol?

Which field model did you PM him?
You need to upgrade your sarcasm detector, you're clearly using an outdated version. :P

I thought v8.71 was the most recent. I'm going to check for updates now...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2010-06-06 19:00:18: Quote from: DarkFang on 2010-06-06 18:57:25
Quote from: obesebear on 2010-06-06 18:56:41
You're welcome! Lol.

Quote from: DarkFang on 2010-06-06 18:44:09
Lol?

Which field model did you PM him?
You need to upgrade your sarcasm detector, you're clearly using an outdated version. :P

I thought v8.71 was the most recent. I'm going to check for updates now...

Damn, no x64 build...
Title: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: poptdp on 2010-06-07 05:53:22: Quote from: obesebear on 2010-06-06 18:56:41
You're welcome! Lol.

Quote from: DarkFang on 2010-06-06 18:44:09
Lol?

Which field model did you PM him?
You need to upgrade your sarcasm detector, you're clearly using an outdated version. :P

oh right... he didnt send me anything ;)
Title: Re: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: apz freak on 2010-11-17 20:52:55: WARNING!!!! RESURRECTING OLD TOPIC!!!!!

Hey guys, it's me! The ever controversial and apparently popular APZ FREAK!

You remember that model I made so long ago that everybody downloaded, and the last time I ever looked at file front it said it was downloaded over 4000 times!!!

Well you can't have it! Because it has material in it that wasn't painted by me. and YET! I can easily repaint a new one in like... less than an hour.

What I'm wondering is... If I repaint it for you guys, is there anyone willing to take the image and put it in the game for me?

At this point it's more a you guys thing than it is mine, so if you really want it, I'm asking for your help.

BUT
If you have alittle patience I'll have a brand new one that'll blow the old one outta the water. So really what's the point of hanging onto the old one!? but I'll do it if people want it.
Title: Re: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Opine on 2010-11-17 22:31:44: Well, for what it's worth, I say repaint the old head first. That way we have something to use now, while we all wait with bated breath for your entirely new model.
However, I can't help you, so my opinion's not really worth much!
Either way, I can't wait to see what you come up with. Cheers. :)
Title: Re: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: obesebear on 2010-11-18 05:25:51: I'm pretty much indifferent, but from how much your skill has evolved since this original one, I'd say on to the new and improved one
Title: Re: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-11-18 23:39:25: i can wait. i like the idea of a better model :D
Title: Re: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: Jester876 on 2011-11-24 20:57:20: PLEASE APZ freak, do a repaint! I have absolutely no experience in getting textures in game, regardless, I will request a repaint. I know someone out there is skilled enough to do it, and I would really appreciate a new field or battle model for cloud. The blocky one is really getting on my nerves and the AC cloud is too small and dark.

:-(
Title: Re: The APZ Cloud Project!!!!
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-11-24 22:09:01: Please do not post in topics that are this old. It is against the rules. Locking topic.