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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1375 on: 2015-05-20 03:49:00 »
The Japanese don't have the same range of sounds as we do. Their closest sound has to use "su" for "th" among other things.  In English (which is where the name originates), the sound is "air-ith". The kana is an "air" sound, like with "aerial". Honeywood states that the name came from air + earth.  I am not so sure about that (the source we have from the writers is that it comes from an anagram of Earth alone), but certainly the kana sound is "air".
Let's see if I understand you right: you say that even if it's voiced EA in japanese, it really means to be AE? Ah, I didn't think of that "Air" example. That would be correct, lol.
Long ago I once thought it could be somehow a reference to Earth or a reference to Ea, though the latter would be kinda weird and it isn't correct.

Hmm... there's something weird about Heidegger's name...
Isn't Heidegger "ハイデッガー"? While FF7's "ハイデッカー" would be... Hydekar?, like the Estpolis (Lufia) II character, lol.
Is it another badly transcribed name by them or are both ways correct? Transcribed names are messy as always.

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1376 on: 2015-05-20 06:08:45 »
Most of what I've found online gives ハイデガー or ハイデッガー for Heidegger, Shogakukan Progressive has the latter. I think we've stuck with Heidegger because it makes more sense than this. Maybe they wanted Heidegger but thought it'd be more amusing to make it sound like high decker bus (hohoho, hilarious...like professor Gusto)? Maybe it's just a typo, I dunno.

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1377 on: 2015-05-20 08:20:23 »
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AB%E3%83%86%E3%82%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%83%8F%E3%82%A4%E3%83%87%E3%83%83%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC

Both kana are there for Heidegger? And I do remember you realizing that they used k for grammar reasons? I remember someone saying k was used in line with some sort of standard.
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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1378 on: 2015-05-20 08:55:40 »
ハイデカー's in there but not ハイデッカー, I can't remember saying anything about grammar, but if I did I was probably wrong.

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1379 on: 2015-05-20 09:59:20 »
I'd love to play a literally translated version of the Spanish game; some of the mistakes I read about were solid gold: 'Please form a political party of three'

http://www.romhacking.net/translations/2342/

And the author's blog: http://traduccionesxt.blogspot.com.es/
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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1380 on: 2015-05-20 12:16:07 »
Ah, thanks for that link; but what I meant was an English translation of the original Spanish localisation (which likely doesn't exist). I was planning to play Reunion next, in any case.

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1381 on: 2015-05-20 16:59:56 »
Ah well, either way, I think we'd need more proof and the writers consent before changing Heidegger.  If I had 30 minutes with them, all these issues would be cleared up :)

Then again, if the job had been done properly from the start, none of these issues would exist and the new names would be the sacred canon.  :P When you reduce it all down to its basic form, this is what we have:

canon = got here first.

The localizing team could have chosen to keep Bolt 1 2 3 from FF7 onwards, but they made a decision to reverse it and stick with the Japanese convention ru-ra-ga-ja.  We've done the same, but that's suddenly not ok. It really doesn't make any sense.  Most people here on Qhimm's have seen this same argument do the rounds every couple of months, so it's not like we are learning anything new.  It's not like this Sacred Canon is totally consistent, either, it has also changed from team to team - see Malboro. In the end, we chose to localize as close to the writers' wishes as possible. Liberties have been taken where necessary, and I have also allowed a compromise with the character names. But the intolerance is simply due to the fact the game is being changed, nothing more.  Some people will never be happy, but some will and that makes it worthwhile.

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  In fact, the people who moan the most are the ones who help the least.

We need more people like Ragna, who make valid points and back them up with some evidence.
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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1382 on: 2015-05-20 23:28:42 »
nope... still not ready with the change that was here.
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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1383 on: 2015-05-21 00:06:07 »
Lines corrected in slfrst_1

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{AERIS}
“Well,then,worry if you have to…”

{AERIS}
“That way,you won't have
  another breakdown.”

Missing commas and slightly changed.

And same map, changed entry:

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“That's why I have to stop him.
  As the last of my people,
  I'm the only one who can.”

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« Reply #1384 on: 2015-05-21 17:30:51 »
I have just had an interview (one hour 20 min) with Wesley Yin-Poole of  Eurogamer concerning this project.  Hopefully I did a decent job.  I think more or less, I did.  Only bad thing is I totally forgot Luksy's background, so have to send him that  ;D

I have to make some before and after videos tonight for him :)  I was already on the job.


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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1385 on: 2015-05-21 17:51:51 »
I know I'm kinda late to the party, but I haven't had access to my computer in a few days, and I can't help but comment.

off course, clearing up misconceptions helps.. for example, Aerith was created from the English word "Earth".  When you realize that is the origin, the "lisp" stupidity goes away.
I always thought this was an interesting bit of background, but I still think Aerith looks stupid :P Considering native Japanese speakers don't even have the phoneme for 'th', I don't think their opinion really need carry that much weight - it's like insisting on calling a girl 'Lei' instead of 'Rei'. The former looks masculine to English speakers, and Japanese speakers should have no reason to care, yet I've seen some insist that 'Lei' is somehow more correct (when the truth is somewhere in the middle).

Really the range of options is something like {Aerisu, Aeris, Aerith, Aerth} (ignoring the possible 'Ea' spelling which would give the wrong sound - though that doesn't help with 'Aerth'). Out of those options I personally like Aeris best, even though it doesn't make the connection with Earth particularly obvious.

Buuut having said all that it really doesn't bother me what the in-game default is.
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« Reply #1386 on: 2015-05-21 17:53:23 »
I also think it looks less feminine and more silly than Aeris... but what can we do :P  The writers really have to be respected in my view and they've made that change in every FF7 game that's followed.

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1387 on: 2015-05-21 18:55:08 »
I have just had an interview (one hour 20 min) with Wesley Yin-Poole of  Eurogamer concerning this project.  Hopefully I did a decent job.  I think more or less, I did.  Only bad thing is I totally forgot Luksy's background, so have to send him that  ;D

I have to make some before and after videos tonight for him :)  I was already on the job.


That means there will be an article on eurogamer.net about Beacause ?

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« Reply #1388 on: 2015-05-21 18:57:10 »
I have just had an interview (one hour 20 min) with Wesley Yin-Poole of  Eurogamer concerning this project.  Hopefully I did a decent job.  I think more or less, I did.  Only bad thing is I totally forgot Luksy's background, so have to send him that  ;D

I have to make some before and after videos tonight for him :)  I was already on the job.


Nice! Eurogamer roam Neogaf too maybe that's why they just contacted you just now and found out about it and is pretty big

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1390 on: 2015-05-22 04:00:07 »
God damn, I forgot about those two. Bulk n' Skull, the OTP.

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1391 on: 2015-05-22 10:40:01 »
Hi, DLPB, what else have you fixed scripts?

Or only did you have you fixed theses?

http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=14914.745;wap2

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1392 on: 2015-05-22 15:21:50 »
Great work here!  :mrgreen: Is it possible to get just the "Beacause" Mod?  :)

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1393 on: 2015-05-22 17:02:14 »
The sector 7 woman says this in a dialogue after returning from reactor 1 bombing:
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“If the explosion had been in the
  middle of the night… well,at least
  they would’ve gone in their sleep.”
I never really understood this line... is as cynical as it seems? Meaning that people died without being aware of what happened to them... or something else?

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« Reply #1394 on: 2015-05-22 17:11:44 »
It's genuine...  If they went in their sleep they wouldn't have known about it.  But, awake, they'd be walking around...  might know about it before the end.  Not that that is much comfort, but the Japanese writers seem to think so :P

The next release will show what other script fixes have been made.

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« Reply #1395 on: 2015-05-22 17:18:59 »
I have just had an interview (one hour 20 min) with Wesley Yin-Poole of  Eurogamer concerning this project.  Hopefully I did a decent job.  I think more or less, I did.  Only bad thing is I totally forgot Luksy's background, so have to send him that  ;D

I have to make some before and after videos tonight for him :)  I was already on the job.

That's awesome, it is about time you got some street cred for this monstrosity.

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« Reply #1396 on: 2015-05-22 18:21:52 »
It's genuine...  If they went in their sleep they wouldn't have known about it.  But, awake, they'd be walking around...  might know about it before the end.  Not that that is much comfort, but the Japanese writers seem to think so :P

The next release will show what other script fixes have been made.
What i don't understand is the "went in their sleep" part. what does that mean? sorry but english is not my mother language

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« Reply #1397 on: 2015-05-22 18:23:37 »
What i don't understand is the "went in their sleep" part. what does that mean? sorry but english is not my mother language
It's literal. If it happened while they were asleep, they would've died before waking up and not felt any pain.

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« Reply #1398 on: 2015-05-22 18:39:58 »
Got it! Thanks

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« Reply #1399 on: 2015-05-22 20:12:45 »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1047752&page=9

Ahh, I'm glad someone spotted it  ;D
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See the Steam version still has Cloud's "Don't take the CD out of the drive" line in the Beginner's Hall. The translation has him begin the line and go "Oh, wait. Never mind."