Author Topic: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods and Modding Framework-The Reunion [R06f]  (Read 3007643 times)

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1475 on: 2015-05-26 20:06:49 »
I think the ! works, because she isn't really asking anything, just interrupting.

How does this scene look on-screen? Does her textbox appear partway through the script and physically cover his up?

Nah...  just new box and his is gone.  Although that may need tweaking...  I think the script there should be both boxes on screen.

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1476 on: 2015-05-26 20:13:14 »
Yeah I can't remember if FF7 supports this, but overlapping dialogues kinda like how battle menu does would help a LOT. If not, then at the very least you could do like the Reno trampling the flowers and have both boxes on screen at once, Aeriths down and to the right a bit.

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« Reply #1477 on: 2015-05-26 20:18:25 »
I can do that :)

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« Reply #1478 on: 2015-05-27 02:15:49 »
I posted this on YouTube in response to the Mural Before/After video, but I figured I'd share my thoughts here as well.

Great job, and I can't wait for the download to be back up.  I just saw this for the first time a few days ago, and I'm looking forward to trying the Reunion package out.


A few things I noticed....
I personally would change Cloud's "None of what you're saying makes any kind of sense!" to just "You're not making any sense!"  To me, that sounds more natural for a more down to Earth guy like Cloud to say. 

The whole "Take a good look" exchange seems a bit stiff to me, but I can't think of a good way to change it. :P

Anyway, thanks for your work!

Also, and I'm sure you're probably tired of hearing this, but is there any real ETA for the next version to be up aside from "soon?"

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« Reply #1479 on: 2015-05-27 04:08:08 »
i agree on the "any kind of sense", I was waiting to see if someone brought it up  :)  I like the "take a good look" exchange.  It sounds perfect for Sephiroth.
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« Reply #1480 on: 2015-05-27 04:28:26 »
Well, I think my issue is with the script and it's presentation of this scene rather than your version itself.  If I had free reign over it, instead of having it as an exchange, I'd omit Cloud's "At what?" and make Sephiroth have just the one "Take a good look at the future blah blah blah" line.

Obviously, that isn't an option though :P 

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« Reply #1481 on: 2015-05-27 04:41:58 »
The idea there, though, is that Sephiroth is being more mysterious and less forthcoming.  It's in character.  Cloud's line is exasperated with him that he is like that.  "At what!?" 

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« Reply #1482 on: 2015-05-27 05:31:52 »
See, I just don't get Sephiroth trying to be mysterious with the line, since he reveals his whole master plan a few seconds later.  It comes off more as if he's just trying to annoy Cloud.

Which may be in-character, but it seems more childish than anything, to me.  And personally, I think it kinda takes away from the scene. 

I'm not criticizing you for using the line that way, don't worry :P  If that's how the line is given in the original, then that's how it should stay.  I'm just not a fan of it.

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« Reply #1483 on: 2015-05-27 06:29:46 »
I did a Ctrl+F search on all 60 pages and, of course, in the readme. I also searched the Bugtracker, and I read the FAQ. I hope I didn't miss something (esp. since I did yesterday).

So maybe this is a bug report or something. The big snake is still named "Midgar Zolom," though lots of other things (I imagined everything) have been retranslated. Perhaps it's because I'm using gjoerulv's, too? I think I opted for keeping series canon, but retranslated everything else. I did check the box for using gjoerulv's, I believe.

It's no bother about the Zolom, I just thought perhaps you'd want to know. If you think it's probably caused by using gjoerulv's, then here is correlative data for you.

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1484 on: 2015-05-27 06:34:57 »
Yeah...  it's cause you are using his mod.  In time, I may make it fully compatible with this mod. It's a fair bit of work though...

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« Reply #1485 on: 2015-05-27 08:50:58 »
We have no em-dash on the font, hence I use hyphens and ellipsis.

The ellipsis starting her sentence is a choice.  I think it looks better.  I've kept that consistent throughout.
I just think of it as the difference between "trailing off" and "being cut off". If Cloud trails off, and Aerith comes in with the save, I'd expect something like:

---TEXT018---
{CLOUD}
“Hang on,you're a ma…”
---TEXT019---
{AERIS}
“…A MAGNIFICENT Bro!”

If Aerith is cutting him off, I'd expect something more like:

---TEXT018---
{CLOUD}
“Hang on,you're a ma-”
---TEXT019---
{AERIS}
“MAGNIFICENT Bro!”

(I also turned Cloud's question into a befuddled statement / startled realization, because I feel it flows better - but that's a separate issue)

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« Reply #1486 on: 2015-05-27 09:58:41 »
I prefer using a question in that situation (the dialogue supports it), but the dash may work better.  The trailing can work if it was

Are you a ma...  gnificent Bro.

The truth is Aerith's cover up doesn't / can't work well in English, but so be it.
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« Reply #1487 on: 2015-05-27 10:27:56 »
Fair enough; yeah, it's always going to be a bit awkward in English. I'm guessing it's easier in Japanese because you don't have to worry about articles (I assume the translation is an approximation anyway, but the "a" in "a man" makes it awkward).

Imagine them speaking with bad Russian accents:

---TEXT018---
{CLOUD}
“Hang on,are you ma-”
---TEXT019---
{AERIS}
“MAGNIFICENT Bro?!”

 ;D
« Last Edit: 2015-05-27 10:31:26 by Ver Greeneyes »

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Re: [FF7PC-98-Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R03b)
« Reply #1488 on: 2015-05-28 04:22:28 »
The scene may need an edit to make any sense:

#xy 24 64
{CLOUD}
“Hang on,are you a ma-”
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#xy 176 40
{AERIS}
“Cloud!!”
------------------------------
#xy 181 32
“Am I a what?
  Everyone around here just calls me 'Big Bro'.
  Anyway,never mind that.”

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« Reply #1489 on: 2015-05-28 10:30:59 »
The scene may need an edit to make any sense:

#xy 24 64
{CLOUD}
“Hang on,are you a ma-”
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#xy 176 40
{AERIS}
“Cloud!!”
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#xy 181 32
“Am I a what?
  Everyone around here just calls me 'Big Bro'.
  Anyway,never mind that.”

It would be great if Aerith's dialogue suddenly shows without pressing [OK] and Cloud finishes almost his dialogue.

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« Reply #1490 on: 2015-05-28 11:39:32 »
It would be great if Aerith's dialogue suddenly shows without pressing [OK] and Cloud finishes almost his dialogue.

Already done ;)

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« Reply #1491 on: 2015-05-28 11:45:09 »
Already done ;)

I didn't get in makou reactor. Could you send by MP that field or only the instructions?

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« Reply #1492 on: 2015-05-28 12:37:18 »
Just copy it out of the dlpb-mods folder when I release this mod. It's very simple to fix up in Makou.

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« Reply #1493 on: 2015-05-28 15:47:06 »
"It summons a small rock drifting in space" doesn't sound as threatening to the planet as a large rock drifting in space.  Small rock comes off as being a pebble

There is always "minor planet", which carries the meaning "small" but is still threatening: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_planet

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« Reply #1494 on: 2015-05-28 16:56:23 »
I've read all that but it's simply an asteroid (minor planet would be a bad name).  If a large rock the size of meteor approached our planet tomorrow, we would not, under any circumstances, call it a minor planet / planet / star / dwarf planet in common usage. In fact, as Obesebear said, from a scientific point of view even meteor is incorrect.  It's a large rock / asteroid that has become a meteoroid (when it lands it is a meteorite).  But in common usage, meteor is fine. 

In terms of what Aerith would use, I think large rock is a good trade-off.  8)

edit.  Although Meteor is much larger than a meteoroid.

Long story short:  Meteor is an asteroid if it came from an orbit (which seems to be the idea) or a large rock if not.  Let's face it, it doesn't even look like a normal rock because it appears to have magical abilities (likely the writers wanted it to look that way since the Black Materia summoned it).  Plus, in FF7, as daft as it sounds, all celestial bodies are ALIVE.  Yup... that's right.  It isn't just their planet that "speaks", it's the stars, asteroids, you name it.
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« Reply #1495 on: 2015-05-28 18:34:16 »
This next revision will be a real treat, DLPB!

It's sheer pleasure to see what kind of attention to the details you are pouring into this. It'll be the *ultimate* translation!

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« Reply #1496 on: 2015-05-29 00:11:04 »
Room of Murals has been changed to Hall of Murals.  The Japanese allows it, and I had a look online at halls vs rooms.  It seems to fit.  Also sounds better ;)  Cheers Luksy for mentioning that ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNwl5--SN58&feature=youtu.be

Updated.

@salk  thanks ;)
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« Reply #1497 on: 2015-05-29 18:44:52 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5_u5ZbAI-Y

Last one.  Had to do some script editing to make this all gel and look good.

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« Reply #1498 on: 2015-05-29 22:57:16 »
Discussed this change with Luksy and Covarr (their suggestion was more natural than my own too).  I realized the original line we had didn't capture the point here. Aerith doesn't believe that Cloud is going in to the Manor for genuine reasons..  she believes he is going in there for women. It's also why, if you stay in there until it closes, she is upset / angry.

New:

{CLOUD}
“There’s something in here vital
  for cross dressing,I know it.”

{AERIS}
“Suuuure!
  Whatever you say.”
« Last Edit: 2015-05-29 23:00:48 by DLPB »

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« Reply #1499 on: 2015-05-30 04:19:38 »
'you the one?
the guy who wants to be cute?'

just sounds a bit strange to me, I guess that's what the original says, but could it not flow better somehow, typically having 'are you the one?' would work better here.