Author Topic: Big Mysteries of FF7 & More v2 (Read 52566 times)

drfeelgud88 · « **on:** 2010-10-04 05:05:56 »

Hey guys, I decided to bring this thread back, but I didn't want to risk the necro. So I'll just continue from here.

You know when Sephiroth is at the inn at Nibelheim (through the flashback) how come when Zack asks what he is looking at, Sephiroth responds "This scenery. I feel like I've been here before" or something like that? Why would he say that he feels that way? I always questioned this and as to my understanding, I found no such reasoning.

The Seer of Shadows · « **Reply #1 on:** 2010-10-04 08:27:56 »

Wasn't he born in Nibelheim? Hojo, Lucrecia, and Gast (and Vincent) were all there thirty years before the game to conduct research (the Jenova Project), and it was then that Hojo injected Jenova cells into Lucrecia's fetus.

ultima espio · « **Reply #2 on:** 2010-10-04 11:25:42 »

^ Yeah, that's it. No mystery there.

The Seer of Shadows · « **Reply #3 on:** 2010-10-04 11:50:57 »

Except that Sephy-san had some outstanding spatial memory as a newborn

ultima espio · « **Reply #4 on:** 2010-10-04 12:28:41 »

Another one is...HOW did Hojo get those babes at costa del sol?

Jaitsu · « **Reply #5 on:** 2010-10-04 12:37:21 »

Quote from: ultima espio on 2010-10-04 12:28:41

Another one is...HOW did Hojo get those babes at costa del sol?

he offered them teh scientific enhancement

we all know what people in towns like that are like.

The Seer of Shadows · « **Reply #6 on:** 2010-10-04 12:40:51 »

Hojo has connections. He can get them free boob implants. To that end, they're dead set on making him a happy old geezer.

ultima espio · « **Reply #7 on:** 2010-10-04 12:49:17 »

Of course, how silly of me not to have realised

They could have been call girls for all we know...

drfeelgud88 · « **Reply #8 on:** 2010-10-04 14:08:08 »

Hm, that's what I was thinking as well; that Sephiroth might have been "created" in Nibelheim. Turns out my hypothesis was pretty much on the spot.

Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-10-04 12:40:51

Hojo has connections. He can get them free boob implants. To that end, they're dead set on making him a happy old geezer.

Damn, you beat me to it. He probably told them about his "enhancement" if you know what I mean haha.

gjoerulv · « **Reply #9 on:** 2010-10-04 15:39:02 »

Didn't you guys know Hojo wrote The Game?

Kudistos Megistos · « **Reply #10 on:** 2010-10-04 18:57:05 »

Quote from: gjoerulv on 2010-10-04 15:39:02

Didn't you guys know Hojo wrote The Game?

Didn't you guys know you just lost the game?

Jaitsu · « **Reply #11 on:** 2010-10-04 19:40:53 »

Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-10-04 18:57:05

Quote from: gjoerulv on 2010-10-04 15:39:02
Didn't you guys know Hojo wrote The Game?

Didn't you guys know you just lost the game?

NOOZ, i lost the game >.<

drfeelgud88 · « **Reply #12 on:** 2010-10-04 23:22:40 »

Hm, I'm confuzzled. $:-\$

Kudistos Megistos · « **Reply #13 on:** 2010-10-05 17:55:17 »

Quote from: drfeelgud88 on 2010-10-04 23:22:40

Hm, I'm confuzzled. $:-\$

Confuzzlement is a normal reaction to the shock of losing the game.

Quote from: gjoerulv on 2010-10-04 15:39:02

Didn't you guys know Hojo wrote The Game?

In all seriousness, this is actually true. Here's Hojo giving tips on picking up girls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWiQ9jmjSy8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq4phGLg9nw

drfeelgud88 · « **Reply #14 on:** 2010-10-05 18:30:36 »

Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-10-05 17:55:17

In all seriousness, this is actually true. Here's Hojo giving tips on picking up girls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWiQ9jmjSy8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq4phGLg9nw

Haha, Just watched those videos.
Made me laugh.

Bosola · « **Reply #15 on:** 2010-10-05 20:21:46 »

Quote from: ultima espio on 2010-10-04 12:28:41

Another one is...HOW did Hojo get those babes at costa del sol?

Hojo is a gender-reassignment pioneer. They were actually born men.

drfeelgud88 · « **Reply #16 on:** 2010-10-05 21:21:34 »

I've also noticed something odd.
It would appear that the stabbing force that the MPs do are rather much stronger than the bullets fire from their machine guns.

Seems to me that Shinra weaponry isn't really all that powerful.

Kudistos Megistos · « **Reply #17 on:** 2010-10-05 21:33:28 »

Quote from: drfeelgud88 on 2010-10-05 21:21:34

I've also noticed something odd.
It would appear that the stabbing force that the MPs do are rather much stronger than the bullets fire from their machine guns.

Seems to me that Shinra weaponry isn't really all that powerful.

I believe it's a pistol whip.

In any case, it makes sense from a gameplay perspective if not a realism one. They have a high damage attack that's close-range only, and a long range attack that's less powerful. Cloud has to be fearful of the first one, whereas Barret gets more damage from the second.

Clodus · « **Reply #18 on:** 2010-10-22 22:57:45 »

It's a mystery to me how Zack dies from a couple of gunshots when the entire party is getting blasted and cut and blown to pieces by magic and still manages to survive.

Kudistos Megistos · « **Reply #19 on:** 2010-10-22 23:02:26 »

Quote from: Clodus on 2010-10-22 22:57:45

It's a mystery to me how Zack dies from a couple of gunshots when the entire party is getting blasted and cut and blown to pieces by magic and still manages to survive.

That's because it's a video game.

The Seer of Shadows · « **Reply #20 on:** 2010-10-23 00:11:56 »

Zack dying from gunfire, Red XIII not using a Soft on Seto, Cloud not using a Phoenix Down on Aerith... I guess you could say that what happens on the field doesn't follow the same rules as what happens in battle.

That still doesn't explain how Zack dies from gunfire when Cloud survives being impaled through the heart as well as later falling off the Sector 5 Reactor Bridge into Aerith's Church, and when Wedge similarly survives falling off the Sector 7 Pillar. Both characters are supposed to be significantly weaker than Zack, but I can only surmise that in reality, Zack is a real wimp

EDIT: Zack also survives a fall from a tremendous height in a similar style to Cloud in Crisis Core... shouldn't that be far more "fatal" than having a round of measly little bullets discharged into you?

Kudistos Megistos · « **Reply #21 on:** 2010-10-23 00:12:44 »

Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-10-23 00:11:56

in reality, Zack is a real wimp

Bingo!

xLostWingx · « **Reply #22 on:** 2010-10-23 01:19:25 »

The world of FFVII probably just has its own set of unique "laws" like our laws of physics. The effect of the "plot" as its called by theoretical lifesteamicysts renders actions which would usually be effective, ineffective. 'Plot' causes phoenix downs to be ineffective, but can also have the inverse effect of enabling weak individuals to survive horrific trauma. This 'plot' is a very mysterious force indeed.

There is at least once mystery that always bothered me. The Shinra no. 26 rocket (i think its 26) had to be shut down or else Shera would be burnt to a crisp. Alrite...makes sense. However, when the forces of 'plot' are applied, she is able to survive the scorching heat. Where the hell was she, and how did she survive the heat of the rocket taking off? Anything I can think of, could have been done the first time around (climbing the ladder out of the room, hiding in the escape pod). Looks like Cid didn't have to shut the rocket down the first time after all.

Mirenheart · « **Reply #23 on:** 2010-10-23 01:21:46 »

I might as well give my insight.

Aeris's Death: When a player "dies" in combat, it is counted as K.O., which means knockout. So, the player is not actually dead, just unconscious. Thus, using a phoenix down would "revive" them. However, actual death...

Seto Stone: He's probably turned to stone completely from the inside out since he got hit by those arrows, and I'm pretty sure turning completely to stone from the inside out would effectively prevent the use of a soft. Plus, it's been a lot of years since he turned to stone, so using one may not work anymore.

Zack's death: The FF7 group does get hit by a lot of crap, but Zack was gunned down by what looked like an army of Shinra soldiers, as well as helicopters and missiles (I think that's how it played out in Crisis core, it's been a while since i played). Cloud and the gang, i assume, play out their various battles not by standing in one place, but actually moving around, attacking the creatures. Zack was surrounded by an army of guys, having bullets rained down upon him.

Cloud getting stabbed: ... it hit an empty spot...

Shera in the Rocket: uhhh........ Fairies?

There, that's what I got. Tear it apart if you wish, I don't mind. If it don't make sense, I blame my ADHD and lack of ability in explaining crap. The last two parts I didn't give enough of a crap to write anything about, cause it's dinner time.

Covarr · « **Reply #24 on:** 2010-10-23 01:29:27 »

Quote from: InconspicuousHeart on 2010-10-23 01:21:46

Aeris's Death: When a player "dies" in combat, it is counted as K.O., which means knockout. So, the player is not actually dead, just unconscious. Thus, using a phoenix down would "revive" them. However, actual death...

That seems reasonable. And of course, if they all get KO'd, it is safe to assume they'd die anyway.

Although, monsters never attack or attempt to gobble down'd allies.