Is It Realistic?

[Yuffie_Lover]

Its been on my mind.. since the moment i learned Tifa was wearing a Mini Skirt and not shorts...(Which was like a few hours ago xD)
How is it possible to do a kick  flip in a mini skirt! she must have skills not the show anything "unwanted" off... i mean i wouldn't be able to pull it off..  

Well yeah.. who else finds this kind of.... OUT THERE lol..

And Guys please don't be pervy about this! i have had enough of that.. people just ruin the Final Fantasy Characters.. by making them into

well bluntly "Sex Symbols"

So yeah.. back on topic
pointless as it may be.. i am just bored xD.

I hope I don't get flamed for this, lol.


So is it realistic?
Cause, i don't think it is..  

[obesebear]

It's more realistic than holding a red rock and hoping knights from the 12th century will show up to vanquish your foes.

[Yuffie_Lover]

lol.. i suppose..
but how is materia realistic to begin with?
Don't get me wrong.. i love materia!

[Jari]

And Guys please don't be pervy about this! i have had enough of that.. people just ruin the Final Fantasy Characters.. by making them into

well bluntly "Sex Symbols"

How can you make something that would look something like this...

...in real life - except with larger bewbs, of course - into a more of a sex symbol than she was intended by Nomura?

Hate to ruin your innocence, but Tifa is a slut a normal female video game character; made to appeal to males.

As for realistic... well, there are wimmenz who like to tease, in real life as well.

[DLPB_]

yuffie,  you are correct that it is blatant sexing up of  a character for the most brain dead among the male population.  I don't like it myself.  But there are tarts around in real life too who wear that type of thing.  But Tifa's character doesn't strike me as that type of person so the dress isn't realistic to the character.   (perhaps we can mod some proper clothing on her)

Flips should be the least of your concern though, there is a part where they are in a cell in the shinra building where she shows cloud everything

 

If I remember rightly, the writers wanted a contrast to the lady like Aerith.

[Jari]

But Tifa's character doesn't strike me as that type of person so the dress isn't realistic to the character.   (perhaps we can mod some proper clothing on her)

Yes please, a habit would be nice.

You know, Cloud's swords are awfully large too, no doubt there's some Freudian thing behind that. Perhaps you'd like to make them smaller? You know, since they are not realistic at all, and besides; I'm willing to bet money that you think Cloud wouldn't walk around waving some huge metaphor for a massive man meat?

Apologies to Yuffie_Lover for the mental image. But seriously, it's not terribly far fetched to see both Cloud's and Sephiroth's overgrown kitchen utensils as an analogy for their masculinity.

[DLPB_]

There is a difference between a sword and  clothing which doesn't fit personality.

In fact in advent children (for the most part) she is dressed very differently.  Less obviously tarted up.  A sword doesnt reflect personality but clothing does...a  lot.  very basic logic ammo...you know...basic

[Jari]

Ah, I see.

I'd await to hear the logic behind this reasoning of yours with bated breath, but I have no wish to suffocate.

[koral]

This is a really strange question 

Ofcourse it isn't realistic 

But Squaresoft did well not to "exploit" this as much as, say Team-Ninja, might have.


I find El Ammo Bandito's "FF7 sword masculinity theory" hilarious  .
Definitly not the case, otherwise the female characters would also have some other specially designed weapons of "special" sizes and/or shapes.
Tifa would most certainly be reliant on her fists to say the very least

There are far too many reasons why Tifa is the way she is



Nomura has stated he couldn't decide if Tifa should wear (mini)shorts (like Rikku's) or a miniskirt, but he went for a miniskirt in the end.

You can understand why he had thought of shorts: she is a country-girl, and shorts would have strengthened the look, noting she also has a buckle-straps, a simple ponytail, and favours simple colours (black, white and reddy-brown).

Her larger-than-average chest is more a charactertistic of her individuality rather than a focused attempt at sex-appeal.
Her top and her personality could have been far more "expressive" but they were not.

On balance, she probably has the most skin showing for any other characters in FF7 (ignoring wrestlers, swimmers, and beach-going people) which results people assuming she was designed ONLY to serve for sex-appeal.

I dont know about anyone else, but to me, she is designed for 1/4 sex-appeal, and 3/4 for personality.
But because her sex-appeal is slightly more than anyone elses, people assume that was the ONLY reason she was designed for 


And cosplayers and doujinshi artists have a field-day because of the usual hentai stereotype connotations:
a sexually-appealing woman with an undecisive personality = very easily exploited

(no, I dont watch or read that kind of stuff, I just stumble across them at random. I feel so sorry for Japanese women, their society shows no respect and no remorse. It is sickening to say the least )

[Jari]

I find El Ammo Bandito's "FF7 sword masculinity theory" hilarious  .
Definitly not the case, otherwise the female characters would also have some other specially designed weapons of "special" sizes and/or shapes.

Not necessarily, at least Freud was big on penises and penis envy, not so much with female parts.

[Yuffie_Lover]

The title of this thread... was sarcastic...
I wanted people to know my out rage!
Tifa is one of my favorite characters... and they made her into a "slut"
when she is most obviously isn't one!

[The Seer of Shadows]

It was most likely her tactic for drawing customers to her bar.  When Reno destroyed Sector 7, all her changes of clothes were destroyed along with her home in Midgar, so she went looking like a slut for the rest of the game.  None of the towns she visited had Marks and Spencers or anything like that where she could buy new clothes...

Sorry, I just thought that would be a witty comment

[Ryushikaze]

I fail to see how the mini makes her a slut in the slightest. Especially if she's wearing bloomers or other sports clothing underneath.

Hell, she's wearing one of the longer skirts, all told, of the FF heroines who actually wear skirts. Longest of the ones who aren't wearing full length ones as far as I can tell. Selphie on the other hand flashes the panties just standing around. Does this make her a slut? No, not in the slightest either.

[Kudistos Megistos]

It was most likely her tactic for drawing customers to her bar.

This could actually be a good reason for her dressing like that. 

She's a barmaid at quite a "questionable" pub in the slums; it's possible that she could be a perfectly nice girl and still have to dress like that to get any business and make a living thanks to unfortunate circumstances.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the concern is with realism. It's Final Fantasy after all

[DLPB_]

I fail to see how the mini makes her a slut in the slightest. Especially if she's wearing bloomers or other sports clothing underneath.

Hell, she's wearing one of the longer skirts, all told, of the FF heroines who actually wear skirts. Longest of the ones who aren't wearing full length ones as far as I can tell. Selphie on the other hand flashes the panties just standing around. Does this make her a slut? No, not in the slightest either.

She is wearing a leather miniskirt with a very tight top.  She is showing about as much flesh as she possibly can and has deliberately been made to have huge tits.  Not just that there are 2 FMV's where she is shown in deliberate sexually provokative situations.  If someone saw someone like her walking down the street they would think she was a slut.   Someone like her would never dress that way, it is extremely unlikely.  It would be like a macho man wearing pink.

The fact that so many gamers make tons of Hentai about her and discussions fawning over her dress is ample proof of what the very large majority of the community feel about her and yuffie is typical of the female reaction.  I don't think dressing her like that does anything for the credibility of games or stories, it simply tries to get a few more fans from the less than intelligent lower end males.

[Ryushikaze]

You are aware there's a butt ton of Aerith and Selphie porn as well? 'Porn of her' speaks only to her overall popularity, not what folks actually think about her. I mean hell, the sheer amount of Belldandy of AMG porn alone...

And I again see no issue with the skirt and shirt combo. There's nothing inherently slutty about it. It completely covers her torso, and her skirt is still one of the longest non floor skirts worn in the overall FF series.
Also, which two 'deliberately provocative FMVs' are you talking about? In none of them is she being deliberately provocative.

And real macho men aren't afraid of and do wear pink, man.

[koral]

This isn't a question of realism, but more a question of perception.
We will never know what the real reasons for Amano and Nomura designing her the way she is, but it is clear that FF7-FF9 have character designs which are less sexually charged than in later games.

I believe thery may have been unsure of the technology at the time of FF7 and in their attempt at designing bold yet simple character designs for the PSX, they discovered too late that her sex-appeal multiplied exponentially. You can just about imagine how, if FF7 had been developed for SNES, Tifa would have been cute, chubby little sprite with a largish bust.

They may have tried to make up for this in FF8 with Rinoa, who had very little skin exposed in contrast to how lead women are usually represented in video-games.

It may be wise to remember at this point how much her designed changed in Advent Children, another attempt on their parts to atone for their mistake in FF7.

So as far as I am concerned, she isn't a "slut", regardless of what other people (or even the original game media like FMVs) may say

[obesebear]

It may be wise to remember at this point how much her designed changed in Advent Children, another attempt on their parts to atone for their mistake in FF7.

I saw an interview about this where they stated something like her being far too "curvy" to appropriately put in the movie so they had to tone her down some.

[DLPB_]

The basic facts are these:

1.  Huge tits
2.  Short skirt
3.  Tight top showing as much as possible.
4.  FMV showing more "cheeky" angles
5.  A backlash by some in female community
6.  We are debating this.
7.  unlikely that Tifa's character would wear that dress outside of 7th Heaven.  She isn't a slut and I don't know any girls or women who wear that dress....so yes, it is mighty unrealistic for a character.

**  note I did meet 1 girl who wore a short leather skirt, and she was pregnant at age 16. I don't live in particularly decent neighbourhood.

Lara croft was another....

[Jari]

6.  We are debating this.

Circular reasoning, if you are trying to imply that she's a slut because of that.

[Prince Lex]

I'm sorry, but I oppose any attempt to change Tifa at all. She's not a slut - no matter how she's dressed. Playing through the game tells you this.

I don't really care how unrealistic the idea is that she would wear those clothes because its a frakking game set in a fictional world with fictional characters. So what if she has big boobs? Really, the idea that we should mod more clothes onto her is ridiculous.

My Tifa's just fine the way she is, thank you very much. Her style kicks ass as is. No matter how skimpily dressed she is, she'd still kick ass. There are skimpier characters in the FF series.

[DLPB_]

My Tifa's just fine the way she is,

She isn't your tifa.  She is a character which all of us have a view on and it is wrong that the first view someone will have of her is that of a tart.  Now you can choose to believe otherwise but it is complete common sense when you look at her dress and stature.  I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".  The dress of a person overwhemlingly tells a character and a person of Tifa's personality would not walk around a world all the time with that dress,

This was a question on realism and it is not realistic.  We can all say whether we enjoy it or have any problem with it, but on realism, no.  it isn't.

[Jari]

My Tifa's just fine the way she is,

I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".

/facepalm

[Prince Lex]

My Tifa's just fine the way she is,

She isn't your tifa.  She is a character which all of us have a view on and it is wrong that the first view someone will have of her is that of a tart.  Now you can choose to believe otherwise but it is complete common sense when you look at her dress and stature.  I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".  The dress of a person overwhemlingly tells a character and a person of Tifa's personality would not walk around a world all the time with that dress,

This was a question on realism and it is not realistic.  We can all say whether we enjoy it or have any problem with it, but on realism, no.  it isn't.

Its Final Fantasy. At what point is it supposed to be realistic?

I'm disagreeing with you here. There are sluttier dressed Final Fantasy characters. How can you guarantee what my first thought when I saw Tifa was exactly? Were you there, in my head when I saw her for the first time? What I can guarantee you is that I've never thought of Tifa as a slutty character. I can honestly say I saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed until I started reading about how sexy people thought she was online. I've just never seen her that way.

[DLPB_]

Its Final Fantasy. At what point is it supposed to be realistic?

This is a common problem with debates about these games and a common misconception.  Although FF7 is a fantasy game it relies totally on certain REALISTIC features.  For example, there is gravity.   This is a realistic element and without it they would have to devise a new idea and if nothing was explained why your characters flew around (i.e. no explanation at all)  you would think "that is unrealistic"

Point 1.  A Fantasy does have realistic elements. There happens to be human beings in the game...if I decided to stab one in the story (not battle) and they didn't almost die (see tifa)  there would be no drama.  If Aerith jumped up laughing after Sephiroth stabbed her, that would be unrealistic, fantasy or not.

There are sluttier dressed Final Fantasy characters. How can you guarantee what my first thought when I saw Tifa was exactly? Were you there, in my head when I saw her for the first time?

It is a logical assumption.   It doesn't require any proof because it is totally logical.  We have been brought up with 2 eyes in our heads and common knowledge.  if a girl like Tifa walked about the streets she would be assumed as a hooker/pro.  That really isn't in question here.

Point 2:  Just because this is a fantasy it is dealing with CHARCTERS which are HUMAN.  They are directly based on personalities found in REAL life.  Therefore, their dress is every bit as inportant as it would be in the real world.

We weren't asked if there were sluttier characters (although you would be hard pressed to find one as badly dressed as Tifa vs her personality). We were asked if it was realiistic.  And since she is based on real life humans, no it isn't realistic to believe she walks around like that.

 I've just never seen her that way.

You are rare. Also who do you have in mind as worse dressed/designed than Tifa?