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8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« on: 2011-03-11 18:25:36 »
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.quake/index.html

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What I'm hoping to get out of this topic is some good suggestions on how one can assist the relief efforts.
I've heard that the best thing we can do to help is donate to organizations like the Red Cross, but even that seems like so little...

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #1 on: 2011-03-11 18:29:10 »
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US citizens can text REDCROSS to 90999 to donate 10 bucks to help out.

May seems like a little but if enough people donate, that turns into a lot.

Been watching the devastation on the news, shit is really fucking scary, I'm glad I live in the UK where all we really get is some occasional flooding, a few tummy rumble quakes and the odd twister that doesn't rate higher than a fart.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #2 on: 2011-03-11 18:34:41 »
Not to be callous, but your options are either donate money, donate supplies, or go there and physically help.  This is crazy though, an 8.9!!!  There had been other reports of increased seismic and volcanic activity before this took place, so hopefully they were at least a little prepared for this.  Not much to do when a billion gallons of water is rushing towards you faster than you can drive a vehicle though. 

Donating money would likely be the most efficient way of helping.  The Red Cross can use that money to buy more supplies than you could from Wal Mart with the same amount of cash.  But if you want to feel as if you have actually done something, then various organizations will accept supplies.  The best thing you could do is make your way over to Japan and help search for survivors, but of course thats a bit more complicated than donations.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #3 on: 2011-03-11 19:23:47 »
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.quake/index.html

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My thoughts are WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS? ;D

That said, I think the best option is to donate some figurines. I saw an article about the casualties and the damage was quite severe: some bishoujo figurines were completely dismembered.



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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #4 on: 2011-03-11 20:55:41 »
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.quake/index.html

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Read about that. It sucks big time. Drowning and being hit right in the face with rushing water is possibly one of the worst deaths. :(

I hope everything gets fixed; even though right now it is unlikely to say.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #5 on: 2011-03-11 22:42:54 »
Looking at the carnage, death toll is going to be way over 5000 I think.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #6 on: 2011-03-11 22:45:25 »
Looking at the carnage, death toll is going to be way over 5000 I think.

The upper limit is said to be 50,000 by some of the newspapers, although it's unlikely to be that high. However, it's almost certain to be in the thousands.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #7 on: 2011-03-11 23:14:07 »
and then you have these reactors with possible meltdown.  Let's hope they cool then down and nothing else happens.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #8 on: 2011-03-12 03:03:00 »
and then you have these reactors with possible meltdown.  Let's hope they cool then down and nothing else happens.

News said they were using batteries to power the cooling thingamajigs.  One would think that if a meltdown or breach of some type were to occur, it would have happened when things were at their hottest.  Probably in the clear now, although they were venting radioactive gas...

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #9 on: 2011-03-12 05:45:00 »
I get emails from the US consulate still, even though I left Japan in 2009. And, they warned for Fukushima prefecture to evacuate because of the power plant...

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #10 on: 2011-03-12 08:38:32 »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219

Explosion at the reactor...

and now a meltdown looks likely.
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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #11 on: 2011-03-13 19:54:55 »
The earthquake has now been upgraded to a 9.0

Good job, earthquake; I knew you could do it! ;D

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #12 on: 2011-03-14 20:45:05 »
Magnitudes and corresponding energy (Joules and tons of TNT)


So how powerful was that earthquake?  http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?faqID=33

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Magnitudes and corresponding energy (Joules and tons of TNT)


Magnitude Es (from Me) Es (from Ms or Mw)  Tons of TNT   Nuclear Bomb Equivalence (# of bombs) 
4                0.22E+11           0.63E+11           15.                0.00
5                0.71E+12           0.20E+13           475.              0.02
6                0.22E+14           0.63E+14           15023.          0.79
7                0.71E+15           0.20E+16           475063.        25.0
8                0.22E+17           0.63E+17           15022833.    790.6
9                0.71E+18           0.20E+19           475063712.  25,003.3

The quake alone was equivalent to about 25,000 Nukes or 475 Million Tons of TNT (475,000 Megatons).  Not to mention the many dozens of aftershocks and the energy in the Tsunami.
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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #13 on: 2011-03-14 21:12:35 »
Those poor people, let us hope there ok sad times indeed  :(.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #14 on: 2011-03-14 21:19:50 »
Magnitudes and corresponding energy (Joules and tons of TNT)


So how powerful was that earthquake?  http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?faqID=33

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Magnitudes and corresponding energy (Joules and tons of TNT)


Magnitude Es (from Me) Es (from Ms or Mw)  Tons of TNT   Nuclear Bomb Equivalence (# of bombs) 
4                0.22E+11           0.63E+11           15.                0.00
5                0.71E+12           0.20E+13           475.              0.02
6                0.22E+14           0.63E+14           15023.          0.79
7                0.71E+15           0.20E+16           475063.        25.0
8                0.22E+17           0.63E+17           15022833.    790.6
9                0.71E+18           0.20E+19           475063712.  25,003.3

The quake alone was equivalent to about 25,000 Nukes or 475 Million Tons of TNT (475,000 Megatons).  Not to mention the many dozens of aftershocks and the energy in the Tsunami.

Did those idiots just pick an arbitrary value for the energy of a nuclear bomb? Or pick an arbitrary bomb as the standard? They do know that the most powerful nuke ever blown up was thousands of times more powerful than the one dropped on Hiroshima, right?

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #15 on: 2011-03-15 13:39:34 »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Nuclear_Event_Scale

japanese reactor is now at 6, if wiki is correct.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #16 on: 2011-03-15 22:47:23 »
Did those idiots just pick an arbitrary value for the energy of a nuclear bomb? Or pick an arbitrary bomb as the standard? They do know that the most powerful nuke ever blown up was thousands of times more powerful than the one dropped on Hiroshima, right?

Quote from: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?faqID=33
"The first atomic bomb, or A-bomb, exploded on July 16, 1945, Alamogordo, N.Mex. It produced an explosion equal to that of 19,000 short tons (17,000 metric tons) of TNT."

According to the chart, it does seem they are using the 19,000 (17,000metric) tons as 1 Atomic Bomb.  So instead of 25,000 Atomic Bombs, its like...500 Tsar Bombas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Nuclear_Event_Scale

japanese reactor is now at 6, if wiki is correct.
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Kyshtym disaster at Mayak, Soviet Union, 29 September 1957. A failed cooling system at a military nuclear waste reprocessing facility caused a steam explosion that released 70–80 tons of highly radioactive material into the environment. Impact on local population is not fully known.
This is the wiki example of a level 6 accident.  Definetly a terrible situation.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #17 on: 2011-03-15 23:05:15 »
A terrible situation in which no-one has been subject to a dangerous amount of radiation.

Really, the way people are reacting to this is hilarious. 10,000 have died and we've ignored all of that because of an incident at a nuclear plant that has killed no-one.

It's also hilarious that every year people die in coal mining accidents and oil rig fires and gas explosions and no-one cares. It's an acceptable risk to take for us to have energy. But when something happens at a nuclear plant that hasn't actually harmed anyone, it's "OMG END OF THE WORLD WE MUST SHUT DOWN ALL NUCLEAR PLANTS RIGHT NOW ITS TOO DANGEROUS".

The double standard to which nuclear energy is held is ridiculous. It's as if people hear the word "nuclear" and their only thoughts are bombs and 50ft mutants.

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« Reply #18 on: 2011-03-15 23:58:23 »
Agreed.

One of the reasons is probably that the range of danger for a nuke plant is greater than that of coal mines and oil rigs (danger to humans at least).  If a coal mine collapses 5 miles away, I surive.  If a reactor melts down 5 miles away I recieve certain amount of radiation.  The Reactor situation has provided a convenient way for people to avoid thinking about the deaths.

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« Reply #19 on: 2011-03-16 00:38:06 »
And in other news



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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #20 on: 2011-03-16 01:05:21 »
A terrible situation in which no-one has been subject to a dangerous amount of radiation.

Really, the way people are reacting to this is hilarious. 10,000 have died and we've ignored all of that because of an incident at a nuclear plant that has killed no-one.

It's also hilarious that every year people die in coal mining accidents and oil rig fires and gas explosions and no-one cares. It's an acceptable risk to take for us to have energy. But when something happens at a nuclear plant that hasn't actually harmed anyone, it's "OMG END OF THE WORLD WE MUST SHUT DOWN ALL NUCLEAR PLANTS RIGHT NOW ITS TOO DANGEROUS".

The double standard to which nuclear energy is held is ridiculous. It's as if people hear the word "nuclear" and their only thoughts are bombs and 50ft mutants.

True.  The sooner we go Nuclear Fusion the better, but people probably think that means some kind of crazy ass meltdown.

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« Reply #21 on: 2011-03-16 01:35:41 »
And no doubt certain groups will encourage that myth.

Can anyone tell me why it is that environmentalists are so opposed to the one financially viable non-fossil fuel?

Is it because they're not actually concerned about having the most effective forms of energy production at all, and want to force everyone to change their lifestyle even when it isn't necessary?

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« Reply #22 on: 2011-03-16 03:00:38 »
And no doubt certain groups will encourage that myth.

Can anyone tell me why it is that environmentalists are so opposed to the one financially viable non-fossil fuel?

Is it because they're not actually concerned about having the most effective forms of energy production at all, and want to force everyone to change their lifestyle even when it isn't necessary?

It's because they are idiots, and believe the minimal risk is too great.  I mean, seriously, a regular coal power plant, on average, outputs more radiation than your average nuclear power plant.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #23 on: 2011-03-16 04:24:48 »
I've been keeping up to date via Reuters: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_Earthquake2

I really hope they can get the reactors under control. It seems #4 is having more trouble and it almost feels like it'll be a matter of time until we hear something is amiss with 5 and 6.

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Re: 8.9 Earthquake causes Tsunami to hit Japan
« Reply #24 on: 2011-03-16 07:16:46 »
A terrible situation in which no-one has been subject to a dangerous amount of radiation.

Really, the way people are reacting to this is hilarious. 10,000 have died and we've ignored all of that because of an incident at a nuclear plant that has killed no-one.

Nuclear reactors are akin to airplanes. For the most part, a harmless form of travel, but when one goes down 200 people die at once. Meanwhile, 30,000 people die on American roads each year, but only a handful at a time. It's the shock value of 200 people dying at once that sticks in the minds of the average citizen...

However, I feel compelled to suggest that the situation with the Fukushima nuclear plant is still something to be taken very seriously as long as sensationalism is avoided (Which, unfortunately, the news outlets in my country love to throw in for flavor). Unlike the earthquake and tsunami, if something truly catastrophic happens at the reactor it will be something that cannot be rebuilt or grieved over. It will be a cancer that can never be brought into remission.

Personally? I'm praying for the whole lot over there. Many Japanese face terrible trials by fire, now, and they don't need a major release of radioactivity to make things worse.