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How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« on: 2017-12-13 14:31:28 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X1t_B2f9Gw

Title sounds a little click-baity, but there's apparently been a lot of confusion about what happens to new-born materia with full inventories.

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #1 on: 2017-12-15 15:05:56 »
Nice find

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #2 on: 2017-12-15 15:38:28 »
Is this a deliberate mechanic? This seems more like a bug.

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #3 on: 2017-12-15 17:55:37 »
Yeah.  I agree, Covarr.  If the inventory is full... nothing should be added.

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #4 on: 2017-12-15 18:18:20 »
It's absolutely deliberate. Toward the bottom of the "new materia born" function contains the code to do this.

What ticks me off is there's no indication that this is happening and this mechanic went virtually unknown for fifteen years! I can find no mention of it on GFAQs, the French ff7 page (admittedly I can't read French), FFwiki, etc. I actually posted a vaguely worded message relating to this a while back but didn't explain what I meant. The game should have you choose what to do with the new materia rather than just dump existing inventory. If you're grinding for a Master Magic this can really screw you over since Fire, Ice, etc. are so low on the priority list.

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #5 on: 2017-12-16 16:11:51 »
My 2 cents but I was not surprised by your video. However, I cannot remember if / where I saw / read this before. To me, it seemed like common knowledge, but I guess I am wrong.

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #6 on: 2017-12-18 03:13:52 »
If you can find it again please let me know. I'm claiming discovery of this until it's proved otherwise. :)

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #7 on: 2017-12-18 10:40:49 »
It's possible that I tried it myself when I was curious about mastering Master materia (long time ago). What would happen then (if it would create a new Master or create all of the corresponding materia, ie new fire, ice... when mastering a Master Magic).
But if that was it, then I did not post anything about it but I assumed that it was common knowledge.

So by all means, it can be your discovery :)

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #8 on: 2017-12-18 11:35:45 »
Looks like at least one person had already discovered it, as early as 2013: https://steamcommunity.com/app/39140/discussions/0/846959520905317771

However, you might be the first (or one of the first) to actually discover the mechanics details, i.e. the "materia born function", confirming that it's deliberate, etc.

And I'm sure many people would be interested to know how the game decides exactly which materia gets thrown away first. Myself included. :)

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #9 on: 2017-12-18 14:25:36 »
I've just realized this happened to me in 1998 on PSX.  It must have, because my underwater materia vanished into thin air and I had no clue how.

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #10 on: 2017-12-18 14:44:46 »
Looks like at least one person had already discovered it, as early as 2013: https://steamcommunity.com/app/39140/discussions/0/846959520905317771

However, you might be the first (or one of the first) to actually discover the mechanics details, i.e. the "materia born function", confirming that it's deliberate, etc.

And I'm sure many people would be interested to know how the game decides exactly which materia gets thrown away first. Myself included. :)
Yes, THAT has been known for a while. I found a lot of reports just like that when trying to find documentation about this. The actual list, and that it is a deliberate game mechanic, is what no one else has discovered. It's easy to notice a single materia disappear when you're looking for it. The priority list would be very time-consuming to document.

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #11 on: 2017-12-22 21:23:49 »
Someone posted about it on GameFAQs recently

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/197341-final-fantasy-vii/76075079

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #12 on: 2017-12-24 19:44:24 »
The list of priorty seems to be the reverse of the list Yuffie uses when taking your materia from you.

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #13 on: 2017-12-24 21:49:46 »
Which makes sense, since she will want the best ones.

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Re: How many knew about this mechanic in FF7?
« Reply #14 on: 2017-12-25 18:37:26 »
Someone posted about it on GameFAQs recently

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/197341-final-fantasy-vii/76075079

You do realize that was me, right?

The list of priorty seems to be the reverse of the list Yuffie uses when taking your materia from you.
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I haven't compared directly, but it's not the same list in memory because they'd be backwards of each other
« Last Edit: 2017-12-25 18:39:50 by NFITC1 »