Messages

101

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-06 02:29:00 »

   

a) 2GHz + GeForce 2 is still cheaper than 2GHz + GeForce 2 + X-Box. You *need* the PC anyway, so while graphics cards and such can be upgraded for a not so high cost the x-box comes *in addition* to your PC equipment. The x-box is great for people who don't need a PC but we don't belong to those.

Why do you need a 2Ghz PC when you already have a X-Box? My computer is perfectly fine for the moment, and I'll only upgrade when I can't play games with this anymore. If only for Internet surfing or typing, even my computer is an overkill. Chances are, if I were to buy an X-Box, I won't buy those overpriced 2Ghz, at least before their price dropped. If I must buy a 2Ghz computer just to use a X-Box emulator, I'll rather buy the console itself, which is surely cheaper.

 

b) Multiple processors. 2GHz processors will be expensive but why buy that when you can get two 1 GHz processors on the same board for a much smaller cost? More and more games support it and there's no drawbacks in applications.

Now which 1Ghz processors you want to buy and make an SMP system? AMD? Intel? While Durons/TBird CPUs technically support SMP, but where's the chipset? Intel 1Ghz CPU? Do you think it support SMP? Depending on the stepping and batches, some support SMP but others aren't, or none of them support SMP anyway. You'll have to check against Intel database to know if your CPU support SMP or not.

How many games support SMP? Too little, I can count all SMP-enabled games with my hands. And a 2Ghz system will be faster than a system with 2 1Ghz CPUs in SMP mode. Point of diminishing return anyone?

   

In some years we won't be running 10GHz processors, we will be emulating windows on many small RISC processors. The Pentium platform (CISC) is a step in the wrong direction, RISC processors (PowerPC ones for instance) rules...

Duh! Who say RISC CPU is more superior than of CISC CPU? It's been proven wrong long time ago. This is a good read for you.    http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm" TARGET=_blank>Click here  

chill man
what i mean is that nvidia WILL release gforce4 by middle next year and by then xbox will be mainstream.
why? coz ati r casing them down the throat.
BUT it is still chaeper to own a xbox than a pc.
but what the hell can you do on a xbox that u cant do on a pc?
surf,emails, games, etc.

Dreamcast with Windows CE already can be used to surf the Internet, wrote e-mail etc. So it's not too ambitious to say if X-Box could do it too, even I don't remember Microsoft have said that.

[This message has been edited by cHiBiMaRuKo (edited March 05, 2001).]

102

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-05 22:39:00 »

Remember that X-bOX DDR-RAM is 128-bit not 64 bit as in your article. It's so much faster than DDR-RAM for PC. Next GeForce4 is ready by the time X-Box launch? With no competition, will you think nVidia will do that? That move will hurt themselves. Probably GeForce3 MX is more viable product that will come from nVidia at that time.

Both AMD ands Intel will have 2Ghz CPU by the end of this year, but seriously I don't think if those 2Ghz machines can match X-Box in terms of performance when all you have is NV20 as the best VGA card you can get. Another thing you have to remember is that a 2Ghz CPU+NV20 combo will be VERY EXPENSIVE, so anyone is better off buying an X-Box anyway.

103

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-05 16:13:00 »

 

can u lot shut the hell up all readY!!!!
Xbox is gonna be a m$ console and a pc by then will be soo much faster, like the 3rd generation of athlons at 1.9MHz or 3rd generation pentium4s at 2Ghz not enuff for u?
Yes consoles r high bus bandwidth machines hence the RDRAM in ps2 and N64s but thats only 400MHz of memory bus speed where DDR is reaching 2100MHz!!!
put thats not in a consoles' price range... yet!
90% chance X-box software houses will see the profitability in the easier porting for a PC release.
On the other hand the guys who r making that abbe's oddysey think did convert it to xbox inside a week....

How a PC will be so much faster when X-Box come out? There's will be no peers for NV25 yet for PC at that time. Clock speed isn't everything. A 1Ghz P3 isn't 2x performance of P3 500Mhz in real world applications.

Consoles like X-Box and PS2 are high-bandwidth machines, and that's what setting them apart from PCs, which is a low bandwidth machine. DDR at 2100Mhz? Where do you get that figure? RDRAM is not 400Mhz, but a lot higher than that.

Intel and AMD roadmaps is a good indications of what's in store form them when X-Box come out.

[if]

104

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-05 03:53:00 »

 

So? The X-box isn't supposed to be released until fall sometime. More than enough time for PCs. How often do new versions of DirectX come out? Pretty often. I wouldn't be surprised if DirectX 9 is being used on PCs when the X-box comes. New graphics chips come out roughly every 6 months. We're due for some new ones that are a step above anytime now. When new stuff comes out, the price of the now "obsolete" cards (i.e. Radeon) comes down to reasonable levels.

Define pretty often. In the past, new release of DirectX is out roughly once a year. But for now, there's still no news about DirectX9. I've been beta-testing DirectX for Microsoft since DirectX 6 days and up to today, there's still are no inside news for DirectX 9. I think it wouldn't come out this year at least, because no news for it as of yet ( as opposed to the last time ).

If it truly X-Box will come out this US fall, PC is highly likely won't have time to catch-up. New graphic card every 6 months? How long NV20 takes to come out? More than 1 full year since NV15 released. Radeon2 will still don't match NV25 speed even if ATI released them in time ( which is hould be now ). Note the word if. The graphic chip market now seems to have beeen slowing down it seems. No competition. And I don't see that NV20 prices will come down before X-Box launch at least.

I think by fall, when 1GHz systems are approaching the mid-range standard (as in, the slowest stores will sell), someone will be hard at work on an X-box emulator as soon as it is released. I mean, what's hard to emulate? The P4 has a 400MHz BUS, compared to the X-box's 200. I'm sure the new Athlon machines will have something similar to the P4's so that they can compete effectively. Same with other features. RAM? Not a problem. Sure, it operates differently, but nothing that can't be emulated. Hard drive? 8GB is pretty small these days. etc. etc.

I do want to see how those emulator programmers try to emulate the way X-Box handles data streaming, Dolby Digital AC-3 processing and large texture handling routine in PC; that 3 are just for examples.

P4 may have 400Mhz FSB, but their PCI and AGP still operate at 33Mhz and 66Mhz respectively, a hindrance for some of X-Box features to be emulated in PC effectively. AMD P4 contenders like Palomino, Thoroughbred and Claw/SledgeHammers CPUs, won't come out before 2002 as AMD don't regard P4 as a threat for them.

105

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-04 21:56:00 »

Yes, in a few years time, PC will have better graphic effects than of X-Box. So what? In few years time, the X-Box will drop in price ( as the case with PS ) and having it is much more viable as you can play with X-Box games ASAP and don't have to wait for any porting process to happen!

Probably in few years time, X-Box2 is already out using NV40 and Pentium6 and will be futhrer ahead of that time PC technology have to offer.

it's sure is worth a look if in few years time, a decent X-Box emulator will already come out or not.

106

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-04 20:57:00 »

Yes, I think making the unsupported features of X-Box games as an option is a great idea, but surely the ported games will not give the same effects like the X-box games will offer. So still the X-Box is a better buy than waiting for X-Box games to be ported to PC and have lesser quality as well.

107

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-04 05:23:00 »

 

You've still missed the point. Yes, there'll be a lot of changes needed to port XBox games to the PC. But it will *still* be less than games written for the PS2/Gamecube, that will in all likelehood use a COMPLETELY different system to DirectX. And so what if nothing supports DX8 100% in hardware yet? Do you need 100% hardware acceleration? Nope. Do you see XBox's for sale? No, so by the time they come out, I suspect a lot of PC hardware *will* have DX8 support.

Who say X-Box is just another PC? X-Box is MUCH faster than equivalently clocked PC. It don't have to deal with the superslow AGP and PCI connectors. It have almost dedicated high-speed bus to every component of the console, ie. RAM, HDD etc. Developers will surely take this into consideration and probably will put more texture processing that probably even AGP 8x couldn't handle.

I've see that you agree with my point of an X-Box game have to be massively rewritten for porting to PC. But I don't think that porting PS2/Gamecube games MUST be harder than porting X-Box games. For example the Summoner Demo for PC. Still looking very good for me here. After all, PS2 games still use large potion of C/c++ language.

Also I don't agree with the statement that say when X-Box come out, more hardware will have 'DirectX-8 support". For the second time, I must stress that DirectX8-supporting hardware IS DIFFERENT with DirectX8-compliant hardware. If a DirectX8 driver for Voodoo5 have come out, will it automatically made Voodoo5 to have the same features as NV20? No. Radeon2 ( which should support Directx 8 ), don't have a fixed release date yet. I don't think that there will be a lot of DirectX-compliant hardware out there when the  X-Box come out.

Anyway, I sure think that an emulator for X-Box will be easy to write than of PS2/Gamecube.

108

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-04 01:45:00 »

I think you've missed my point.
If a developer release a X-Box game that fully exploit the DirectX 8 features like those nVidia programmable vertex shaders ( graphic )or DLS2 ( sound ), then only by recompilation will that game works for PC?

No is my answer. Which PC graphic card support DirectX 8 functions in hardware? Only the ultra-expensive NV20. Which soundcard will support DLS2? None as of yet!

 An X-Box game will have to massively reenginnered for porting to PC ( reducing graphic elements or changing sound engine ). That's my point here. There's a big difference between DirectX 8-supported hardware and DirectX-compliant hardware. Due to it's price, NV20 won't sell unless the price dropped. While Live! and Vortex2 card technically support DLS2 in hardware, their current drivers don't have that feature.

109

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-03 21:04:00 »

ficedula: Even if X-Box games is based on DirectX, the X-Box games aren't that easy to port to PC. With X-Box, there's only one chip the developers have to test the games with, the nVidia NV25 ( or whatever they call it ). How many PC around the world that have the same video chipset as the X-Box have? None as of today! The NV20 price is so high, I doubt if there's are lot of people will buy it before the price going down. To develop games for PC, developers have to cater for many different configurations ( Voodoo5, Radeon, G400 etc. ), thus I believe, a direct conversion from X-Box to PC will have technical difficulties as those chips ( Voodoo5, Radeon G400 and NV15 ) don't have the features that were present in NV25 inside the X-Box. If a developer plans to release a game on X-Box and take advantage of all NV25 features have to offer, a direct conversion to PC is unlikely to happen unless a lot of people have GeForce4 or sacrifices in image quality is done to cater for Radeon, Voodoo5 and NV15 users.

110

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-03-03 10:56:00 »

Why buy the X-Box? It's because you got nVidia NV20 power ( or more ) at probably half the price! And console is a console and PC is a PC. Both are 2 different things!

111

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-02-28 21:55:00 »

Whether the specs is finalised or not, it shouldn't be a problem for developers. DirectX SDK is enough for it as that SDK is hardware transparent. But I think it ( the spec ) is already finalised by looking at the fact that nVidia already start manufacturing chips for the x-Box.

112

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-02-28 20:44:00 »

Isn't it official that FF XI will come out in X-Box too along with PS2. I must have read it somewhere in FFO. Microsoft isn't that bad of a company IMHO, some of their products is just excellent, for instance Internet Explorer and Windows 2000 and XP.

113

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-02-28 07:39:00 »

Squaresoft will develop for X-Box anyway, so it's a moot point. PS2 will have some great games such as FIFA , Madden , Need For Speed etc and many more from EA. Not to count from other developers such as THQ. I hope that Smackdown 3 will come out for PS2. Good enough reason for me to buy PS2 ( in fact I already have it ).

114

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-02-23 21:37:00 »

I bet on X-Box success.

PS2 may have backward-compatibility, but unfortunately it isn't perfect. Anyone could say FF Anthology?

X-Box is also easy to program, and you just need DirectX8 SDK for it, unlike PS2 which have to use a dev kit and also come with steep curve of learning. There's will be NO DirectX 9 for X-Box whatsoever or anything like that as all things are handled with Directx8, and with the hardware is streamlined, software companies don't have to deal with multiple hardware configuration anymore. Not to mention it'll come with a HDD and network adapter right from the box. The rumor of X-Box being much expensive than PS2 is a bull. No one knows what's the price yet.

Well, the only thing I don't like about X-Box is their controller....

115

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-01-20 12:16:00 »

One PS2 development kit cost US 10000. Cheap for a game company like Square and Electronic Arts who raked millions from game sales. But I've heard that Microsoft give X-Box development kit for free to developers.

116

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-01-19 18:45:00 »

 

Ummm....PS2, again. The code for programming games for PS2 is called SonyPS2x. It is a VERY tough programming language that I think not even Qhimm can master. Even the person in Square who knows the most about it is STILL debugging the game. As for X-Box, It supports most programming languages including XGame++(XBox Game languange), C++, Delphi, Visual Basic?! SonyPsx(PSX Programming Language) SaturnV(Sega saturn) Dream128(Dreamcast) and Cube128(Nintendo's Cube) I'm not sure about this but one of my collegues at Square received this news. FFX will be on X-Box and on PS2.

Get your fact right. PS games are coded in C/C++ language with customized headers on a Unix platform. PS2 are the same way too, they use C/C++ ( again with customized headers ) as programming language on a Unix-based PS2 development kit. The problem is that Sony don't give the headers files source code to developers, instead opting to intergrate everything on that development kit, so the developers have to read the documentation instead to see what that particular header files do and make decisions on try-and-error and experimintation ( typo? ) basis. So it'll be quite some time before the developers really master the PS2 console programming ( probably in 2 or 3 years ).

And no such thing as SonyPSx or SonyPS2x language ( unless you want to call that modified C/C++ language with that name ). That's bullshit. For a side note, X-Box programming is easy, as it's based on DirectX 8 and use standard C++. About Dreamcast or Gamecube, I don't know though. I know there's Malaysians who works for Square, but I don't think they ( Square) would hire a 15-years-old kid, no matter how efficient he/she is on programming. 15-years-old kid should sit for their PMR, not debugging games for Square. That's too early.

117

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-01-19 12:28:00 »

I think there's no way FF X ( at least Japanese version ) will come out for X-Box, because the console ain't even out yet before the game released. Probably US version will have X-Box release, but the chances are slim.

118

General Discussion / PSX Emulator (FAO Jari, Dag & Friends)

« on: 2001-01-15 13:46:00 »

Now this is a joke!! How can a computer even start without a graphic card?

119

General Discussion / Final Fantasy X Media Released!

« on: 2001-03-05 23:19:00 »

Joey: A shop in S&M near Kotaraya, KL sell one. But be prepared to pay outrageous prices. Order online, as I have always do is better.

dagsverre: FMVs make the game too if you ask me. Well, ePSXe will make FF look better than on a PS.

120

General Discussion / Final Fantasy X Media Released!

« on: 2001-01-16 09:41:00 »

Cadberry: I think you are wrong here. Most FF fans, especially in Japan, don't give a damn about graphics but care more about story, etc. There's a lot of of people buying FF VIII of course, but also there's many people who have returned their copy of FF8 because they say it's not what they wanted. FF series are successful because not only their stunning graphics, but also of kick-ass story ( which were severely lacking in FF VIII ) and good music.

121

General Discussion / Final Fantasy X Media Released!

« on: 2001-01-14 10:16:00 »

Tetsuya Nomura also do FF7 and it wasn't a flop. In fact, it's one of my favourite FF title ever ( behind FF5 ). Guess we all just have to wait and see if it just another flop or not.

122

General Discussion / How old is everyone?

« on: 2001-02-19 10:18:00 »

My monitor will do 1600x1200 just fine, but the damn GF2 is too blurry at that point. So I have to settle at 1024x768.

123

General Discussion / How old is everyone?

« on: 2001-02-19 01:33:00 »

Ahahaha...I have just return from robbing the nearest bank where I live... pssst..don't tell anyone.

On the serious side, I only surf the net between 12 to 3 or 4 am. Lot of things to do. BTW, if you're looking forqward to upgrading your UBB, bleemer have already released UBB6 beta 7.8.

124

General Discussion / How old is everyone?

« on: 2001-02-18 23:49:00 »

mine:-

http://www.penjejakbadai.net/wall.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.penjejakbadai.net/wall.jpg

125

General Discussion / How old is everyone?

« on: 2001-02-06 23:58:00 »

C'mon, there's should be a better off-topic subjects you all can discuss here.