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Title: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-20 17:08:09
Today is a day of celebration. I must say I loved Trump's speech, it really appeals to everything I've felt in my heart since a young age - maybe it wasn't as great or as powerful as the RNC speech where he initially proposed Americianism over globalism but it's good enough - it definitely had a "for the people" feel!

It's a shame that people can't make the connection between a Trump administration and say, good video games and movies. The fact that good culture produces good movies/games is something no-one really thinks about. There's too much garbage in terms of media. All good games/movies stem from nationalist themes IMO. This is really great in terms of content that will be produced.. without that horrid PC democrat stranglehold on all things..

I'm actually optimistic about the future for a change. Good day people!
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-20 17:42:17
Yeah, really happy for the American people that they've chosen to leave the policies of Obama behind and not follow Europe into the dust.  Putting your own people's safety and prosperity first is what all good leaders do. America gets no thanks when it does things right and a lot of hate when it does things wrong.

Trump is pulling the plug.  It's so refreshing to see a population stand up against the blatant Leftist propaganda in the media too. Meanwhile, the tolerant left continue to burn and wreck and riot.

Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-20 18:44:44
Yeah, really happy for the American people that they've chosen to leave the policies of Obama behind and not follow Europe into the dust.  Putting your own people's safety and prosperity first is what all good leaders do. America gets no thanks when it does things right and a lot of hate when it does things wrong.

Trump is pulling the plug.  It's so refreshing to see a population stand up against the blatant Leftist propaganda in the media too. Meanwhile, the tolerant left continue to burn and wreck and riot.
As the strongest country in the world, I'd say it's a clear signal for the rest of the world about where the future is heading. Trump's support is far higher than being reported, I would compare those tolerant protestors to um, dying gasps...

I guess other than a portion of countries in the Middle East (funding the leftists) and the Chinese (who perhaps just realized the left put them on easy street to world domination), the RoW is mostly with Trump.

The left can only rule by subversion and deceit (i.e. distortion of the truth), and they've been busted on that.. I'm sure those people protesting will quickly become the dregs of society. The question is if we should put the screw on them like they tried to put the screw on us the last 30 years, just to make sure it doesn't ever happen again..

And of course the title of this thread is a play on Anthony Cumia's hilarious "Obama president now!" rant. :) Now we can say.. "Trump president nao!"
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: olearyf2525 on 2017-01-20 19:09:57
I wish I could have the same optimism you two have, I love everything Trump says, but he's got too many connections to the same people he criticizes. My guess is he'll be another Bush, basically another Democrat/Communist-Lite. That being said, we knew Hillary Clinton was evil, at least Trump is an unknown factor, I'd love if I was wrong about him and he actually meant what he says.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: obesebear on 2017-01-20 19:49:26
My 2 cents?  It's going to be more of the same.  It always is.  And likely always will be until World War 3.  You know who will benefit from Trump's policies?  The upper class.  You know who won't?  The middle and lower class, as always.  The rich will get richer. The poorer will get poorer, and freedoms will continue to erode right in step with the ocean's reefs.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-20 21:29:47
I wish I could have the same optimism you two have, I love everything Trump says, but he's got too many connections to the same people he criticizes. My guess is he'll be another Bush, basically another Democrat/Communist-Lite. That being said, we knew Hillary Clinton was evil, at least Trump is an unknown factor, I'd love if I was wrong about him and he actually meant what he says.
I'd be surprised since everything suggests the opposite. It's a soft coup against the exisiting world order. Soft coup usually involves not killing/overthrowing existing people.

And if you mean how he was chummy with Obama at the inauguration - well, yeah I bet all the US presidents probably have a pact like, don't mess legally with each other... I can understand that as it seriously affects the stability of the country. At least he didn't hold back in terms of saying how Obama's reign of terror sucked in his speech. Obama even said good job after his speech ROFL. He don't give a crap either haha, democrats are a joke.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Covarr on 2017-01-20 22:04:04
(http://i.imgur.com/NBCgk8el.jpg?2)

Pre-emptive (and hopefully unnecessary) warning: Keep it civil. This thread is off to a perfectly fine start, but as with all political threads, I'll be keeping an eye on this one and it's subject to immediate closing if I see it getting out of hand. ~Covarr
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-20 22:19:05
(http://i.imgur.com/NBCgk8el.jpg?2)

Pre-emptive (and hopefully unnecessary) warning: Keep it civil. This thread is off to a perfectly fine start, but as with all political threads, I'll be keeping an eye on this one and it's subject to immediate closing if I see it getting out of hand. ~Covarr
I did notice the other threads so I tried to be careful :P

As for the protest stuff, this pic about sums it up.. Sad!

(http://i.imgur.com/UA5J4XF.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: olearyf2525 on 2017-01-21 07:28:02
My 2 cents?  It's going to be more of the same.  It always is.  And likely always will be until World War 3.  You know who will benefit from Trump's policies?  The upper class.  You know who won't?  The middle and lower class, as always.  The rich will get richer. The poorer will get poorer, and freedoms will continue to erode right in step with the ocean's reefs.

Pretty much this, I'll just add World War 3 will be inflicted upon us as a final way for the globalists to cement their power to promise to end all wars by turning us into "global citizens" IE slaves, cogs in the machine. The west died long ago with World War 1, freedoms were eroded and we got the league of nations and a promise of no more wars, then world war 2 came and the globalists won yet and profited once again, bailing out their banker friends who were in serious trouble, creating that infamous illegal state and sanctuary for them, and giving us the horrible league of nations, followed in WW2 by the United Nations and the birth of modern liberalism. World War 3 will be the final toll of the bell for the West, because we failed to heed the past and listen to the wisdom of our ancestors, like Tolkien's Numenorians, literally men of the west, we will fade away under the malice and power of evil in this world. Also like Tolkien's Numenorians our fall is largely of our own making, instigated by treasonous outsiders to be sure, but the blame lies on the traitors within our midst the "Black Numenorians". I think Tolkien was ahead of his time and saw the writing on the wall, he fought in World War 1 and lived to see World War 2, he was probably familiar with Oswald Spengler's Death of the West and he was certainly familiar with Hesiod's Ages of Men, and Norse and Hindu cycle of ages.

Cicero 2,000 years ago "“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

Nothing has changed, World War 3 will usher in the end of freedom and the beginning of open rule by the globalist cabal. My opinion? Let the world and more specifically the west burn, it deserves its fate for ignoring the wisdom of its ancestors and for failing to see that it was being played by its ancient enemies. Like how Sauron the deciever played the Numenorians through lies and propaganda, and through promises of wealth and power these enemies would not have won if not for the traitors in our midst and their greed for power. 

Like a forest that must periodically burn to grow stronger and healthy so too does this world and its peoples. Let them lie in the bed that they are making.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-21 07:34:14
I disagree.  If you go online and read all the Leftist posts, they are very unhappy because his speech and his deeds already show he is going to do much of what he said he would. Also WW3 is jumping the gun just a tad.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-21 10:11:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXQLUVDOhyo Had me splitting my sides ;)
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-21 16:14:02
Pretty much this, I'll just add World War 3 will be inflicted upon us as a final way for the globalists to cement their power to promise to end all wars by turning us into "global citizens" IE slaves, cogs in the machine. The west died long ago with World War 1, freedoms were eroded and we got the league of nations and a promise of no more wars, then world war 2 came and the globalists won yet and profited once again, bailing out their banker friends who were in serious trouble, creating that infamous illegal state and sanctuary for them, and giving us the horrible league of nations, followed in WW2 by the United Nations and the birth of modern liberalism. World War 3 will be the final toll of the bell for the West, because we failed to heed the past and listen to the wisdom of our ancestors, like Tolkien's Numenorians, literally men of the west, we will fade away under the malice and power of evil in this world. Also like Tolkien's Numenorians our fall is largely of our own making, instigated by treasonous outsiders to be sure, but the blame lies on the traitors within our midst the "Black Numenorians". I think Tolkien was ahead of his time and saw the writing on the wall, he fought in World War 1 and lived to see World War 2, he was probably familiar with Oswald Spengler's Death of the West and he was certainly familiar with Hesiod's Ages of Men, and Norse and Hindu cycle of ages.

Cicero 2,000 years ago "“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

Nothing has changed, World War 3 will usher in the end of freedom and the beginning of open rule by the globalist cabal. My opinion? Let the world and more specifically the west burn, it deserves its fate for ignoring the wisdom of its ancestors and for failing to see that it was being played by its ancient enemies. Like how Sauron the deciever played the Numenorians through lies and propaganda, and through promises of wealth and power these enemies would not have won if not for the traitors in our midst and their greed for power. 

Like a forest that must periodically burn to grow stronger and healthy so too does this world and its peoples. Let them lie in the bed that they are making.
Hmm, well I'd agree that there's a possiblity someone will do something stupid to somehow "prove" Trump is not a good president. We all know how places like CNN work - cat is run over by car - add trump to the headline - cat is run over by car, trump - and now it becomes part of their groupthink circles that Trump killed a cat and anyone who says otherwise is a nazi. I think that's how that Pence hating gay people thing started. So far Trump says he is using twitter to defend himself against this, but I hope he has other solutions up his sleeve for that crap.

I think you overestimate their ability as well, these people are loosely organised into all sorts of weird organisations that hate each other but can agree on voting for the most scumbag candidate - about the limit of their ability is "maybe" holding a sign in public. They're not that brave/organised when people are onto their crap, mostly because their agenda doesn't even make sense (like that protestor guy on TV who says he wanted to live under Stalin and go to Russia, even though he is protesting against Trump/Russia). Most decent people will eventually see there is no benefit to acting like a protesting lunatic while other countries around them become more prosperous. We already see this kind of thing with reduced tourism to Europe from Asia and such.. eventually it will hit home and things will change, I think. It must start with them admitting they were wrong - something which will be difficult for them - reminds me of a tweet by a certain Fallout NV designer "refuse the urge to be introspective, Trump is wrong" or some garbage like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXQLUVDOhyo Had me splitting my sides ;)
Yep, infowars has been great this election cycle. I watched it all day on election night, good memories! I love 'em!
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: KnifeTheSky77 on 2017-01-21 17:09:24
Real life gave House of Cards a real run for its money plot-wise this past year.

Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-21 20:23:11
We need more "celebrities" like Piers Morgan (never thought I'd say that) :D https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/822756556005588992
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-22 04:21:13
Nah, Piers Morgan is an egotistical opportunist.  He just follows which way the wind blows and is gutless on topics that matter.  You won't see him protesting Saudi women's rights, or the paedophile Muslim gangs of the UK, or Sharia.  He just wants to be someone and make money.  He's slime.  Not as slimy as a lot on the left - but he's someone the Right need to chuck away.  He does us no favours.  Also, he is against the 2nd amendment.

Got owned by Shapiro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIQtxLCgrM

Piers actually rigged this up by bringing a kid in a wheelchair (from a  shooting), ready to play the emotional card and make Shapiro look evil - but Shapiro saw right through it and blew him away.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-22 13:18:51
Nah, Piers Morgan is an egotistical opportunist.  He just follows which way the wind blows and is gutless on topics that matter.  You won't see him protesting Saudi women's rights, or the paedophile Muslim gangs of the UK, or Sharia.  He just wants to be someone and make money.  He's slime.  Not as slimy as a lot on the left - but he's someone the Right need to chuck away.  He does us no favours.  Also, he is against the 2nd amendment.

Got owned by Shapiro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIQtxLCgrM

Piers actually rigged this up by bringing a kid in a wheelchair (from a  shooting), ready to play the emotional card and make Shapiro look evil - but Shapiro saw right through it and blew him away.
I think he got owned more by Alex Jones than Shapiro :D But yeah, I know what you're saying. I do find 2nd amendment people far easier to deal with than other types though.. He was also retweeting Paul Joseph Watson a moment ago.. quite surprising.

Shapiro is too anti-Trump for my liking .. but he does make some good points from time to time. A bit of a man-child though (that whole "turd tornado" thing) :D
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-22 13:40:31
Well, Shapiro's big problem is he puts way too much stock into his religion, judaism.  He sees Trump as a "fake Republican" but fails to see that's why so many like him - because he is neither dem nor republican. He's just a guy who is far more honest than most politicians and wants the best for his country.  But in Shapiro's eyes, if you aren't praying every day, you're not welcome to the club. He called the election totally wrong too.  He's still a great guy,, but I do think religion blinds him on a few issues.

Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-22 23:23:13
Heh, according to some little birdies, Trump may help with releasing disruptive technologies that the US government has been hoarding... Something Trump sort of mentioned in the speech which I thought was just some packing fluff about the future. I don't know how that will happen but it makes me feel other patriots are stepping into the game now Trump is president. Next 4 years are going to be interesting!
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-24 19:06:37
http://truepundit.com/trumps-first-drone-attack-backs-cia-agents-said-obama-ignored-intel-refused-to-strike-critical-isis-targets-for-year/

Says it all - assuming this is a good source. If true, it's terrible.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-25 20:57:42
http://truepundit.com/trumps-first-drone-attack-backs-cia-agents-said-obama-ignored-intel-refused-to-strike-critical-isis-targets-for-year/

Says it all - assuming this is a good source. If true, it's terrible.
I never realized Trump would do everything in his first week. Holy shit :P I guess that's what happens when someone who isn't a puppet to others gets into power. He's in it to win, definitely..
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-25 21:07:26
I think Obama and the Dems need to be investigated. They are clearly treasonous.

https://www.rt.com/usa/374854-obama-221-million-palestinian-authority/
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: nfitc1 on 2017-01-26 05:10:00
And yet, Trump is going to waste most of our tax dollars on a completely ineffectual wall between US and Mexico.

He also wants to increase torture, specifically waterboarding, because he's asking people who agree with him if it's effective even though more than half of "intel" gathered from torture is false.

I think we were left with a terrible decision on election day: a scheming politician or an ignorant egotist. Either way, we lost.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2017-01-26 05:33:36
And apparently his investigation into all of those "illegal" voters will only be happening in states he lost.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Cupcake on 2017-01-26 05:59:35
And apparently his investigation into all of those "illegal" voters will only be happening in states he lost.


It's almost as if he was trying to silence political dissidence.  You know, the sort of thing a fucking Fascist would do.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-26 12:42:36
And yet, Trump is going to waste most of our tax dollars on a completely ineffectual wall between US and Mexico.

He also wants to increase torture, specifically waterboarding, because he's asking people who agree with him if it's effective even though more than half of "intel" gathered from torture is false.

I think we were left with a terrible decision on election day: a scheming politician or an ignorant egotist. Either way, we lost.

Why not effective?  I think it's got to be more effective than having nothing there, like the Dems want. Also, why no indignation to the fact Obama and co send off billions of your tax dollars abroad, something Trump is putting an end to - starting with that disgusting 200 million pay off to a terrorist state called Palestine. If Trump didn't build a wall, I am pretty sure that would be worse. That was his biggest election promise.

I don't support torture BUT I also find it hard to feel sorry for people like the gitmo lot. Personally, I wouldn't capture them.  They aren't protected under the Geneva convention, because they don't obey its rules or wear a uniform.  I'd shoot them dead on any battlefield.

Trump also said the Iraq war was the worst decision in US history. And pulling out the way the US did almost as a bad. He's right on that ;)

It isn't like Trump was voted in to be liberal. He was voted in to stop things like this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2709224/two-afghan-migrants-revealed-as-those-arrested-over-horrific-three-hour-rape-streamed-on-facebook-live-in-sweden
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2017-01-26 15:53:06
It's almost as if he was trying to silence political dissidence.  You know, the sort of thing a ferning Fascist would do.

No, that's what the media gag was for.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-27 18:00:17
I don't support torture BUT I also find it hard to feel sorry for people like the gitmo lot. Personally, I wouldn't capture them.  They aren't protected under the Geneva convention, because they don't obey its rules or wear a uniform.  I'd shoot them dead on any battlefield.
Here's the latest on the torture thing http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-mattis-override-views-torture-article-1.2957473
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-27 21:10:48
Nice to see someone who is willing to defer to those in the know.  Obama knew best about everything.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: JBedford128 on 2017-01-27 21:17:51
It's more likely Obama listened to the experts before he opened his mouth.

On the other hand Trump just says the things that he "feels". Even after hearing the expert opinion he still says "I happen to feel that it does work".
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-27 21:31:22
But he's deferring to the general for the actual policy. He's free to believe it works. I don't think Obama did listen to the expert's either, or there wouldn't be a massive IS presence caused by incompetent pull out of Iraq and Middle East policy - not to mention Libya blown to shreds, despite Obama saying lessons would be learned from Iraq.

No lessons were learned by him.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Cupcake on 2017-01-29 00:37:11
awwww yeah; gettin Fascist up in this bitch

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/28/trump_has_suspended_due_process_for_muslims.html
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-29 01:24:10
awwww yeah; gettin Fascist up in this buttercup

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/28/trump_has_suspended_due_process_for_muslims.html
From what I know about the crimes and injustices imposed on regular US citizens, I really have no sympathy.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-29 07:06:08
It's not fascist to suspend the rights of non citizens. Non Citizens have no rights in your country. They are there at invitation only and are not subject to your protection. Also, protecting your own country against external threats is called being vigilant and being a leader - not fascism.  Shouting fascist every second doesn't make anyone fascist.

That article is also emotional charged and clearly biased.  Also hysterical.  ;D
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-29 07:08:28
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/28/terror-tied-group-cair-causing-chaos-promoting-protests-lawsuits-as-trump-protects-nation/

Maybe that's what people should be concentrating on?
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2017-01-29 08:07:38
It also applies to green card holders though, but on a case by case basis and yet a few folk who are out of the country on holiday or for work can't get back in despite being card carrying citizens.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Tirlititi on 2017-01-29 10:08:15
Non Citizens have no rights in your country.
That's plain wrong... The laws in every country in the world applies both to citizens and non-citizens.
When a law says "People", it applies to everyone in the state.
When a law says "Citizens", it applies only to citizens of the state.

Besides, protecting your own country against external threats was indeed being called vigilant and a leader (führer), in Germany, in 1933. Please pick another argument.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-29 10:11:02
No, they don't.  Each country can decide to keep any non citizen out.  And many countries do just that.  The ME countries bar anyone from Israel for a start.

This isn't even remotely debatable. That's why Trump has been able to sign an executive order that has come in to law.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Tirlititi on 2017-01-29 10:39:39
If they are outside of the country, the US law don't apply to them, of course.
For those who are already inside, the government can indeed decide to bring them back outside. For the time they're inside the boundaries, though, they are still subject to the US law and thus have rights and duties like everyone else.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-29 10:41:56
They still do not have full protection under the constitution unless they are US citizens. A US Citizen is based in law. Living in another country does not automatically qualify you for all rights. A country can deport anyone who is a Non citizen.

But it's besides the point because much of what I am reading is just more scaremongering anti trump nonsense. We'll be getting much more of it in the next 8 years.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: olearyf2525 on 2017-01-29 15:40:54
awwww yeah; gettin Fascist up in this buttercup

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/28/trump_has_suspended_due_process_for_muslims.html

Edit: Meh not worth the effort to try to bring truth to those who relish in and live in lies. No person can awake such a sheep, only the world or God can.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-29 15:49:51
Sorry for the lolz... but rofl: https://twitter.com/KlayVolk/status/825486620187033601
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-29 17:08:03
Edit: Meh not worth the effort to try to bring truth to those who relish in and live in lies. No person can awake such a sheep, only the world or God can.
It's true.  People in my own family just post whatever they can find to back up the idea he is a tyrant. There's plenty more evidence that he gives a toss about innocent Christians abroad - the people the Left have abandoned.  For one.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2017-01-29 17:57:21
Side note, Labour supporters are turning on Jeremy Corbyn for his supportive stance on Article 50 (AKA leaving Europe ASAP) where was that mindset during the referendum in the first place since he's always been anti-EU?
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-29 18:03:20
Side note, Labour supporters are turning on Jeremy Corbyn for his supportive stance on Article 50 (AKA leaving Europe ASAP) where was that mindset during the referendum in the first place since he's always been anti-EU?

I'm not even convinced it's real. The cynic in me thinks it's a ruse to make people think he supports democracy and the will of the people. But I have no evidence of that.  I don't trust him as far as I can throw him though.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2017-01-29 18:13:16
I'm not even convinced it's real. The cynic in me thinks it's a ruse to make people think he supports democracy and the will of the people. But I have no evidence of that.  I don't trust him as far as I can throw him though.

Most of the people who were advocating it like Boris and Farage are the same, and behold as soon as the vote passed they buggered off, left everyone else to deal with the aftermath.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-29 18:26:22
Boris is bad.  He's just an opportunist.  Our PM, Cameron, is weak and awful and ran off.  At least Farage stays in the public eye and campaigns somewhat.  He did give up UKIP, but he still stays campaigning and doing interviews.

Cameron is the worst... he's literally vanished to have a beano.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: KnifeTheSky77 on 2017-01-29 18:47:45
Good god JFK airport is a clusterfuck. Trump's reich is off to a great start
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-29 19:15:15
Good god JFK airport is a clusterfuck. Trump's reich is off to a great start

It's not a reich to put the safety of your people first and if the Dems had been doing this the last 8 years, it wouldn't need this kind of transition and harshness. Whenever people bring up reich or Hitler or fascism, it never ceases to amaze me how much of a false equivalency they make of it.

He was voted in and made certain promises. He's acting on them. Not smiling at the camera and playing golf, like Obama, as 49 people are killed mercilessly in cold blood by people who shouldn't have been in the US.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3XUAHMXUAAaVvG.jpg)

Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: KnifeTheSky77 on 2017-01-29 19:33:48
First off, I'm a bit of a nihilist.

Realistically, do you think a blanket ban is going to fix anything? I don't think so. A blanket ban is implying that everyone originating from the middle east is inherently evil. That is not how you solve a problem, it is how you ignore a problem.

This is going to trigger a lot of infighting between people, a lot of lawsuits, motivation for violence etc. The net change is negative.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-29 20:22:16
Most of the people who were advocating it like Boris and Farage are the same, and behold as soon as the vote passed they buggered off, left everyone else to deal with the aftermath.
No, I'm sick of that argument. It just means the right people wern't in power at the time the vote was passed - if someone like Trump was in power (i.e. Farage) - then the UK would be doing what the US is doing now (i.e. shutting down immigration and liberals going nuts). That's what Brexit means, pretty simple. There will be no compromise and liberals know exactly what it means for them.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Jari on 2017-01-30 00:15:49
Realistically, do you think a blanket ban is going to fix anything? I don't think so. A blanket ban is implying that everyone originating from the middle east is inherently evil.

Hey, give the Fearless Leader benefit of a doubt, this obviously ain't no blanket ban.

No citizen of the countries currently banned has ever performed a terrorist action on US soil, while every Middle Eastern country whose citizens have done such things President Little Hands has business interest in, is not on the list.

See?  ;D
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-30 08:44:38
Considering what's happened in France, Germany, Belgium, and Sweden - I think the answer is that long term his policies will do far more good than bad. There are a few hundred families there (that are now missing members) wishing he had been their president. That I can promise you.

We've done things the Left way for the last few decades and it isn't working. We're doing things differently now. Good.  And it's clear to see that people made the right decision when all you see from the Left is rioting, threats, insults, and violent "protests".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM

= The game is up for emotional lies from the Left and their media allies.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: -Ric- on 2017-01-30 14:22:13
Isn't it great how so many people keep shouting that not all Muslims/Refugees/Middle Eastern people are terrorists... WE KNOW! The peaceful people are NOT the problem, the problem is that a portion (and we can even argue that it's a large portion) of them ARE indeed terrorists who have and will eventually kill dozens of people. People like to compare Trump to Hitler which is hilarious but since we're on that comparison, I'll leave you with a question.

Were all Germans Nazis? And when the time came, who had the biggest relevance in history? The peaceful, non-nazi civilians or the much, much smaller group of Nazis?

I wonder how each and everyone of the people defending the mass refugee immigration would feel if one of their loves ones had died in one of the very recent terrorist attacks that have been taking place all over the world... Probably you wouldn't be as welcoming huh.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Jari on 2017-01-30 18:13:46
There are a few hundred families there (that are now missing members) wishing he had been their president. That I can promise you.

Pretty big promises there. I certainly wouldn't want to be presidented - or even unpresidented - by a seriously narcissistic person, who either lies constantly or is actually... you know, not right in the head. Not to mention seems to lack both, experience in governing and understanding of how a (US, in this case) government works.


We've done things the Left way for the last few decades and it isn't working.

I'm bit curious about this; first of all, who is this "we" you speak of? In any case, both US and UK have had conservative governments fairly recently - I take it that they weren't Right enough for you? If so, what was? I mean, when has there been a time when the way has been Right enough for you?

...there's of course the obvious answer - which was several decades ago - and I doubt you'd go very "we" with that government, or country. So, I doubt it's that.


And it's clear to see that people made the right decision when all you see from the Left is rioting, threats, insults, and violent "protests".

Yes, I've heard that some people reserve threats for serious business only, like getting humiliated on the internets. BTW, the offer still stands. :P


= The game is up for emotional lies from the Left and their media allies.

Yes. The Great Media Conspiracy. That's quite a global phenomena, it seems. Supposedly there's one in Finland too, I just haven't noticed it.

Anyway, would you answer these  for me - for shits and giggles;

Trump's inauguration audience - do you think it was

a) largest ever

b) quite okay, but considerably smaller than for example Obama's first inauguration and very likely smaller than the Women's march participation

The peaceful people are NOT the problem, the problem is that a portion (and we can even argue that it's a large portion) of them ARE indeed terrorists who have and will eventually kill dozens of people.

Oh, bollocks. If that was true, your "problem" would have fixed itself a long time ago - there wouldn't be anyone left there. They seem quite as adapt at killing each other, if not more so than killing infidels, after all.

I could quote big statistics here, but no dude, just no.


I wonder how each and everyone of the people defending the mass refugee immigration would feel if one of their loves ones had died in one of the very recent terrorist attacks that have been taking place all over the world... Probably you wouldn't be as welcoming huh.

I wouldn't know, but I certainly hope that I would be. Two wrongs don't make a right.

As for this "mass refugee immigration" you speak of, here are some figures for you;

US, aboutish 320 - 325 million people. Resettled 69 933 refugees in fiscal year 2015.

UK, aboutish 64 - 65 million people. Received 38 878 asylum applications in 2015.

Finland. bit over 5 million people. Received 32 476 asylum applications in 2015.

Holy fuck, dudes. Holy fuck. And you know what? We could take more.

Do you little dipshits really have the nerve to cry about the refugee crisis? Really? Honestly?


PS. Not to mention that Germany accepts more than you could ever imagine
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-30 18:26:32
lol You're going on as if we are all imagining the 49 people killed in a gay club by a Muslim, or virtually all Muslim countries being undemocratic, or all 10 countries that support death for gays being Muslim, or the 100s dead in France, or the dead in Belgium, or the mass rapes in Sweden and Germany, or the terror attacks in Germany—and everything else that is going on... all perpetrated by Muslims.

It doesn't matter what you think (if you aren't just back to your old trolling ways, which would be so sad), the electorate have spoken. America doesn't want what the left is selling, which is mass rape and death at the hands of a brutal and intolerant religious ideology called Islam. It isn't listening to you :P

It's not a good time to believe what you do, because your way is on the way out. All across the West, we're going back to the Right. There is nothing you can do about it. And insulting people won't work anymore.  Got anything else?
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-30 18:34:12

Were all Germans Nazis? And when the time came, who had the biggest relevance in history? The peaceful, non-nazi civilians or the much, much smaller group of Nazis?


That's a fundamental point that gets dodged by Leftists again and again. It didn't take a majority of Germans to believe in Nazi ideology. It took a minority. And the number of Muslims who advocate for Sharia or against homosexuality, to name a few things, is alarmingly high (check Pew Research). Even if 1% of Muslims were crazy killers it still would mean a massive problem, but the research indicates it's upwards of 20% and even 40%. And those are the ones who answered honestly.

Shapiro's figures aren't perfect, but they aren't far out.  Even if you take the safe side of the research, it's bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg

But Jari and those who share his views do not have any counter argument that relies on logic or facts; they just have insults and ridicule and emotion.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Covarr on 2017-01-30 18:37:27
you little dipstrawberriess really have the nerve to cry about the refugee crisis?
Keep personal attacks out of this thread. I'm impressed we've made it this far before the first one, but this is the only warning I'm giving, and it applies to everyone. Next one from anyone at all and I'm locking the thread. Y'all can disagree with each other as much as you want, but please remain civil. ~Covarr

But Jari and those who share his views do not have any counter argument that relies on logic or facts; they just have insults and ridicule and emotion.
I wasn't going to get directly involved in this thread, but you do realize you are saying this directly after Jari quoted some statistics re: refugee numbers, right? I'm pretty sure that counts as facts.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-30 18:39:31
How does his argument counter ours? He just dodged it.

No-one is even arguing about the number of refugees. It's irrelevant. The number of terror attacks by those arrivals is important - and the religious ideology they share.  I await his rebuttal to Shapiro (It won't happen).  If even one mass murder occurs because we let in 100,000 asylum seekers, it is one too many.

Also, he does not cite a source.

Furthermore, it isn't just "asylum seekers" - it's the immigration policy too. The UK voted for Brexit largely because it is fed up of mass immigration (largely from Muslim countries).  So, Jari just conveniently cuts out the millions that have been allowed into Europe by ignoring immigration.

Edit.

And looking at his list again, he deliberately dodges Germany and other countries that have taken in a net of over 1.5 million Syrian refugees. Way to go on the selective use of stats to bolster a non existent argument.

I am discussing Europe as a whole, not just the UK or Finland.  So why he's even using a few countries as some sort of argument is beyond me. I think it's just to push his own narrative rather than look at the wider scope of things.  Trump didn't formulate his travel ban based on the goings-on of Britain and Finland. He did so looking at the whole of the Middle East, Europe, and Israel.

More power to him.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-30 19:03:35
Also, as stated on a video I posted, the list of terror linked countries was compiled by the Obama administration.  Obama banned Iraqi refugees for 6 months.  I didn't see anyone jumping around waving their hands in hysteria then. It's just a ludicrous attempt by the Left to sow discord and create havoc.

They are anarchists - and they've overplayed their hand. Everyone around the world has seen how they have behaved compared to how the Republicans  behaved when Obama was elected. It's night and day.

I'll take the Left more seriously when they are defending gays against Muslim ideology - instead of blaming "mental illness" and "lone wolf" for the deaths of 49 people - and the hundreds all over Europe.

With very few exceptions, I don't hear a peep out of the Left about women's rights in Saudi, or gays being thrown off buildings.  It's largely the so-called "racist right" that's refusing to sweep it under the rug. Well, calling people racist worked for 30 years, but I'm afraid it's a really lousy argument against Muslims wielding AK-47s, driving trucks into crowds, or raping and abusing women all over Europe.  There's only so much shit that people will take.

Good luck keeping the moral highground and vote against all that.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2017-01-30 19:07:52
Well now, Washington State is suing Trump for putting out the order for the ban.

At least they backed down on Green Card holders being denied entry.

He still thinks Nieto's gonna pay for the wall though, what's he gonna do, mail him the invoice for the construction work?
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-30 19:09:11
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/01/30/banzhaf-trumps-immigration-executive-order-constitutional-stand/
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-30 19:16:46
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/20-vetted-muslim-refugees-who-turned-to-jihad-terrorism-after-being-allowed-into-the-u-s

Is this enough, or do we want more?
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: KnifeTheSky77 on 2017-01-30 22:18:59
Riddle me this, where did 'the USA' come from?

Hint: Immigrants fleeing oppressive governments.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-30 23:30:09
Isn't it great how so many people keep shouting that not all Muslims/Refugees/Middle Eastern people are terrorists... WE KNOW! The peaceful people are NOT the problem, the problem is that a portion (and we can even argue that it's a large portion) of them ARE indeed terrorists who have and will eventually kill dozens of people. People like to compare Trump to Hitler which is hilarious but since we're on that comparison, I'll leave you with a question.

Were all Germans Nazis? And when the time came, who had the biggest relevance in history? The peaceful, non-nazi civilians or the much, much smaller group of Nazis?

I wonder how each and everyone of the people defending the mass refugee immigration would feel if one of their loves ones had died in one of the very recent terrorist attacks that have been taking place all over the world... Probably you wouldn't be as welcoming huh.
It's not even all about terrorism, it's about the less brighter ones not integrating properly due to 3rd world culture, carving out ghettos due to excessively high numbers, committing "casual" crimes that get covered up and always voting for dickheads so the rest of us get brought down. The last reason being why they are brought in in the first place.

And luckily. with Trump, we no longer need the consent of the left to get things done. Right now they are making a yuuuge mistake in their tactics and turning off even non-political people.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2017-01-31 16:10:56
Bearing in mind that nationals of the seven countries banned by Trump have killed exactly zero people in US based terror attacks between 1975 and 2015, compared to the 4323 deaths caused by terrorists from other countries in the same timeframe
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-01-31 17:15:00
Bearing in mind that nationals of the seven countries banned by Trump have killed exactly zero people in US based terror attacks between 1975 and 2015, compared to the 4323 deaths caused by terrorists from other countries in the same timeframe
I just covered that argument in literally the post before yours as someone else regurgitated it (from Twitter I presume). I imagine more of those people will be banned after proper procedure is set up during the temporary ban..

I saw some liberals are actually getting scared because they spotted a military convoy with Trump flag:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/military-vehicles-flying-trump-flag-kentucky

It's strange how it literally just dawned on them the military isn't on their side. They honestly thought that women's march was a real show of power and resistance - I don't think they have an understanding of who or what the silent majority is and what kind of integrity/skills they possess.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-31 17:22:20
Bearing in mind that nationals of the seven countries banned by Trump have killed exactly zero people in US based terror attacks between 1975 and 2015, compared to the 4323 deaths caused by terrorists from other countries in the same timeframe

And we don't want them to either.  More need banning. The whole system needs to be improved. It won't stop all terrorism, but at least it will be massively reduced in the long run and you won't end up looking like Europe - the laughing stock of the Milky Way.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Jari on 2017-01-31 20:21:59
lol You're going on as if we are all imagining the 49 people killed in a gay club by a Muslim,

Ahem, I assume you have read stories by real news sources too, not just the alternative ones?

To me it seems more like it was done either by a jilted lover, or someone with really fucking serious issues. BTW, I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure that these deadly-serious-foaming-at-the-mouth-jihadists actually can't be gays. You do understand that the perpetrator is believed to be a semi-regular patron of the said club?


or virtually all Muslim countries being undemocratic,

And do you know what is going to fix them? Same thing that fixed Christian countries; time and secularism. It will take time. A lot of time - we are talking about 100 to 200 years. And no, you can't make it faster.

But you can make it hell of a lot slower by antagonizing them.

You know what? I don't care for American Exceptionalism, nor for Manifest Destiny. But there is one really, insanely good thing US has done for the whole world. Their entertainment. It will slowly but surely take over the entire world. Do you understand how commonplace satellite dishes are in Iran? Do you understand that you are not supposed to own one there? Do you understand that just about every Best Korean with means watches South Korean TV - something that is probably punishable by having your testimacles cut off, and fed to you?


or all 10 countries that support death for gays being Muslim,

I think I just told you the same thing, didn't I?


or the 100s dead in France, or the dead in Belgium, or the mass rapes in Sweden and Germany, or the terror attacks in Germany—and everything else that is going on... all perpetrated by Muslims.

Mass rapes you mention of seem to be mostly figment of sick right wing imagination AFAIK, as for the terror attacks; that is very unfortunate, but what you want is not going to fix them. It is going to escalate them, instead. Maybe you have noticed that ISIS is celebrating Trump's decisions. Maybe you haven't. Maybe the alternative news haven't carried that fact. As they say in CS; Terrorists win. Trump just gave them what they wanted - leader, or "leader", of the free world, yielding to their terror.

BTW;

(https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_4093_people_killed_by_terrorist_attacks_in_western_europe_since_1970_n.jpg)


It doesn't matter what you think (if you aren't just back to your old trolling ways, which would be so sad),

No! Your punctuation is all wrong, you have to say it like this; You are trolling, SO SAD! :P There, now it sounds like something out of Trump's Twitterfeed. :D


the electorate have spoken. America doesn't want what the left is selling, which is mass rape and death at the hands of a brutal and intolerant religious ideology called Islam. It isn't listening to you :P

It's not a good time to believe what you do, because your way is on the way out. All across the West, we're going back to the Right. There is nothing you can do about it. And insulting people won't work anymore.  Got anything else?

Hahah. You have no idea. No idea at all. :P


Keep personal attacks out of this thread. I'm impressed we've made it this far before the first one, but this is the only warning I'm giving, and it applies to everyone. Next one from anyone at all and I'm locking the thread. Y'all can disagree with each other as much as you want, but please remain civil. ~Covarr

Pffft, Covarr. :P It was just a figure of speech, if I want to insult, I'm way more capable than that. :P

Nah, seriously, sorry, sorry. :)


No-one is even arguing about the number of refugees. It's irrelevant. The number of terror attacks by those arrivals is important - and the religious ideology they share.  I await his rebuttal to Shapiro (It won't happen).  If even one mass murder occurs because we let in 100,000 asylum seekers, it is one too many.

One too many? So... if a native Englishman - a single one - commits a mass murder, you are going to ban them all? Well, I actually think that has happened, but you might not remember it, or maybe you are just in denial. How about the ban? You could all run into the ocean, or something, I guess.

Surely you are not applying different standards to different people? I think you claimed not to be a racist... I think.


Also, he does not cite a source.

Oh, for fucks' sake, dude. How often do you recall me making claims that I can't back up?

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/refugees-and-asylees-united-states
http://www.redcross.org.uk/What-we-do/Refugee-support/Refugee-facts-and-figures
http://www.migri.fi/download/64990_Tp-hakijat_2015.pdf?6d4a98eee845d488 (can't read that? Well, that's too tough, ain't it?)


Furthermore, it isn't just "asylum seekers" - it's the immigration policy too. The UK voted for Brexit largely because it is fed up of mass immigration (largely from Muslim countries).  So, Jari just conveniently cuts out the millions that have been allowed into Europe by ignoring immigration.

By all means, find the numbers. I really can't be arsed to. But I'd bet that Germany has most of them.


And looking at his list again, he deliberately dodges Germany and other countries that have taken in a net of over 1.5 million Syrian refugees. Way to go on the selective use of stats to bolster a non existent argument.

Dude. Can't you read? You are not that much like Trump, surely?

PS. Not to mention that Germany accepts more than you could ever imagine

That's just "Holy fuck, I'm arguing with idiots, I can't be bothered to find the actual figures", if you didn't understand it the first time.


I am discussing Europe as a whole, not just the UK or Finland.  So why he's even using a few countries as some sort of argument is beyond me. I think it's just to push his own narrative rather than look at the wider scope of things.  Trump didn't formulate his travel ban based on the goings-on of Britain and Finland. He did so looking at the whole of the Middle East, Europe, and Israel.

HAHAH. HAHAHAHAHAHAH. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Dude. Bannon. Dude, seriously. And he formulated it just by looking at his own, deepest, darkest desires.


Also, as stated on a video I posted, the list of terror linked countries was compiled by the Obama administration.  Obama banned Iraqi refugees for 6 months.  I didn't see anyone jumping around waving their hands in hysteria then. It's just a ludicrous attempt by the Left to sow discord and create havoc.

There are several sources that will explain the difference between Obama's "ban" and Trump's ban. Feel free to find them. Hint; actual, actionable threat is one of them. Other might be not asking your advisors "How do I ban muslims, and make it look legal?"... and then having the said advisor blurt that out on live TV. I seriously think that Rudy just might really be demented - as in actually really, not just as in liberal joke. Just a word of warning; they are actualy facts, not the alternative ones.


Is this enough, or do we want more?

What do you think, am I going to read Jihad Watch or Breitbart? Take a guess. While you are doing that, I'd suggest finding an actual, at least remotely respectable sources.


It's not even all about terrorism, it's about the less brighter ones not integrating properly due to 3rd world culture, carving out ghettos due to excessively high numbers, committing "casual" crimes that get covered up and always voting for d*ckheads so the rest of us get brought down. The last reason being why they are brought in in the first place.

Right. Now that you have stated that the refugees/immigrants/whatever are less brighter, please produce proof of your own brightness. I consider that highly relevant for making such a judgment. I'll post a scan of my Mensa membership-card right after that, if you want.


And we don't want them to either.  More need banning. The whole system needs to be improved. It won't stop all terrorism, but at least it will be massively reduced in the long run and you won't end up looking like Europe - the laughing stock of the Milky Way.

Would you like to ban Norwegians while you are at it? They have a beautiful country, and they are annoyingly well off, there's a reason enough. Ah, they also have this dude called Breivik, killed 77 people, most of them kids. Surely enough reason to ban them. Or... not? He's one of your kind, after all.

Or all Americans, perhaps? Maybe just Timothy McVeigh? Or are you too young to remember? 168 killed, over 680 injured. He wasn't one of your kind, but a terrorist he was.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: DLPB_ on 2017-01-31 22:43:00
I do believe Breivik murdered because of mass immigration too.  His reasoning was that he was targeting the people who were turning (or would turn) his country into a Sharia junk yard - so his motivations were directly linked to mass immigration. No mass immigration = no Breivik.  That isn't excusing what he did (which was horrific); it's a simple fact. What's also a simple fact is that liberal Norway actually put him up in a prison that's 100x better than living on the streets, like many of their own citizens do. He actually took Norway to court for "violating his human rights" haha. And won. He gets to play computer games and all sorts—all courtesy, I might add, of Leftist thinking like yours. I'd have him executed immediately.

Seriously, these same silly arguments keep coming and coming. False equivalency after false equivalency.  Finding the odd non-Muslim out of thousands of attacks a year, as if that is somehow a valid counter argument to not having mass immigration or not allowing "asylum seekers". It isn't.  Less death, rape, and trouble is preferable to more.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

This site documents each and every attack by a Muslim that is due to the Islamic ideology. 30222 Islam motivated attacks since 9/11. Please just quit it with your false equivalencies, appeasements, cherry picking, and excuses.

The majority don't want that ideology in the West. No-one asked for it. We were forced it by successive liberal minded governments.  And what you have to deal with now is that people are rejecting those policies and those politicians.  So, we can go round and round all day, with you bringing up the odd non-Muslim attack, but it isn't going to change the fact that the huge majority of religiously motivated murders are coming from Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

I can't wrap my mind around why anyone would want to carry on a policy that invites more of this.  This was just one day of the year there. Huge numbers of attacks and molestations are being ignored by the MSM. Sweden is now the rape capital of Europe.

The left has had a huge monopoly over universities, schools, and the media.  But, like I said before, people can't be fooled when this is going on all over Europe relentlessly. Nothing you can say here is going to stop the tide of change.  Sorry :)

I will also note, once again, that Japan and various other countries don't have this problem... because they weren't daft enough to let this backward belief system into their country en masse. In Europe, we are suffering a rape epidemic, towns and villages turned into ghettos, murders, mass murders, riots, drugs, and other problems that are all self inflicted.

I live in a town with a high Muslim population. The only time you don't see a Muslim here is when it's Remembrance Sunday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4176406/Meet-Nigerian-cost-500-000-IVF-triplets.html

Gee, why do we want Brexit hahahahaha!?  ;D

And, with that, it's back to modding for me.  I'm just happy Trump is in and that Europe is going back Right.  8)
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-02-02 02:06:07
I have a simple request for any neutral people browsing this thread - this is going pretty viral now (was just recorded today): Joe Rogan, Eddie Bravo and Alex Jones - https://youtu.be/UZPCp8SPfOM it's basically a really fun 3 and a half hour discussion about everything over whiskey and weed! Alex Jones uncut! Haha, I've never seem him like this even on election night (he must be in good spirits). You get Trump, Clinton, private Trump stuff, space/aliens, 9/11, taxes, and the need for humanity to have a discussion about its evolution (rather than the elites deciding). I really recommend it as the hosts keep Alex restrained a bit, they (at least Joe) voted for Gary Johnson and not Trump... and notice how receptive they are to Trump when Alex redpills them!

DLPB: I'd be skeptical of debating with any person that uses sources like redcross website. No data from places like that can be trusted. It's like that global happiness report by the UN which has Japan ranked in the 50s and Saudi Arabia ranked way above it - it's a method of control (had a lot of questions from Japanese about this who were quite distressed about it, luckily I could explain it to them how fraudulent it was).
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: olearyf2525 on 2017-02-04 06:02:29
Roden and DLPB I don't know why you guys bother with these people. Only 10% of people can be convinced by logic and facts. If the state and decay of the western world since the left came into power after WW2 hasn't woken them up by now nothing will, the sheep won't wake up until they are thrown in a gulag themselves.  They are nothing more than useful idiots for the people in power destroying our nations and the world. Welcome to the Animal Farm. I believe some of them aren't just useful idiots though, some of them know exactly what they are doing, they've replaced good and wholesome ideas and things with ways to feel better about their own shitty souls. In other words they're evil, and they lie to themselves to convince themselves that black is white, that evil is good.

    Brothers will fight
    and kill each other,
    sisters' children
    will defile kinship.
    It is harsh in the world,
    whoredom rife
    —an axe age, a sword age
    —shields are riven—
    a wind age, a wolf age—
    before the world goes headlong.
    No man will have
    mercy on another.


12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

....
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Title: Re: Trump president now!
Post by: Roden on 2017-02-05 14:55:31
Roden and DLPB I don't know why you guys bother with these people. Only 10% of people can be convinced by logic and facts. If the state and decay of the western world since the left came into power after WW2 hasn't woken them up by now nothing will, the sheep won't wake up until they are thrown in a gulag themselves.  They are nothing more than useful idiots for the people in power destroying our nations and the world. Welcome to the Animal Farm. I believe some of them aren't just useful idiots though, some of them know exactly what they are doing, they've replaced good and wholesome ideas and things with ways to feel better about their own strawberriesty souls. In other words they're evil, and they lie to themselves to convince themselves that black is white, that evil is good.

    Brothers will fight
    and kill each other,
    sisters' children
    will defile kinship.
    It is harsh in the world,
    whoredom rife
    —an axe age, a sword age
    —shields are riven—
    a wind age, a wolf age—
    before the world goes headlong.
    No man will have
    mercy on another.


12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

....
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Yeah I'm not really bothered about them.

Personally I'm really optimistic these days.. One of the things I disagree with Alex Jones on (which I think he may already know but wants to hype up a bit) is that the globalists are in any way competent. Everything suggests they're entirely incompetent, the only power they have over us is our own compliance. If you look away from the garbage MSM comments sections and twitter/fB - you will generally find a lot of "woke", or at least honest ordinary people who are waiting for things to change. Trump is that change, or at least, the next 4 years will be that change..