Author Topic: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.99994) (Read 4906757 times)

jugend · « **Reply #7075 on:** 2018-07-17 23:06:57 »

Talked about this on discord, but wanted to elaborate on it here a little further. I have a lot of subjects I'd like to address and feedback on various issues, I'll just cover this one for now.

So I was saying, as you start to reach end game, and end game itself, your weapon choice isn't anywhere near as varied as I would have liked. In the first few hours of the game, Cloud has access to;

Buster Sword
Mythril Saber
Hardedge
Butterfly Edge
Enchance Sword
Rune Blade
Yoshiyuki

These swords are all rather comparable, and most offer different build varieties, which is amazing to have such variety and a part of the game I truly enjoyed, and while I love all these options at the start of the game, I think I'd rather have more options towards end game instead?
There isn't quite as many options the further down the line you go, and by the end of it, you are quite limited.

There are many ways this could be alleviated. One idea was to do away with the triple AP weapons, and respec them to better suit different build types. The triple AP really isn't needed on every character. And with the precious watch (max slot triple ap armour), I feel it's not needed at all. With fights like Pearl weapon and just double growth weapons, you can basically max out all the materia you want. If you moved precious watches availability from the midgard raid, to something like ancient forest? With all the upcoming boss battles, you could max out everything you could ever hope for.

I'd also say, you could potentially withdraw some of the options from early game, and insert them into later game, and re-spec the weapons?
Does cloud really need 7 weapons by the time he reaches nibelheim?

For example, Yoshiyuki could easily be removed from its position in the game and inserted in at end game, and re-specced to open up more build options and flexibility. For example +35 dex and comparable attack to the Ragnarok, there's endless possibilities really.

I don't know IF you can create multiple versions of weapons? So like, a Buster Sword 2 for end game? I'd assume there is no space in the game or something like that though.
So failing that, you could create more endgame build options through redesigning the triple AP weapons, or inserting early game weapons into end game, I'm sure a lot of them become kind of redundant, and wouldn't be all that big a loss.

I'd also say, the weapons you get in disc 2 in costa del sol are kinda of a waste as well, imo. Yeah, more variety is always nice, but you get crystal weapons around the same time, and you very quickly afterwards start to get end game weapons. I'd rather lose those options which are really not that big of a deal and useful for a very limited period of time, for more end game options.

With just the change of triple AP weapons, and one early game weapon for all characters moved into end game, that would massively improve the end game experience imo.
And you could go further if wanted/needed.

I'd like to state that I have put off making any ultimate weapons, (Because I really like to make things last and get the most out of every little thing that I get, I'll probably hang off getting them for awhile still) so I'll probably have more feedback on this issue and how I feel about the true ultimates themselves when I make them.

adj998 · « **Reply #7076 on:** 2018-07-17 23:53:25 »

I downloaded this and did the installation and it went alright, unfortunately when i try to launch the game, nothing happens.

Edit: Nvm I got it going can't wait to give this a try, thanks for your hard work!

Sega Chief · « **Reply #7077 on:** 2018-07-18 00:35:48 »

Quote from: jugend on 2018-07-17 23:06:57

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I agree that Triple AP weapons are mostly redundant with the higher AP yield (particularly of Crater enemies on the left-up path and the bosses leading up to this), double generally does the trick (if needed at all) and Precious Watch can provide triple if it is needed.

Costa-tier weapons are sandwiched between the Icicle tier and Mideel tier. The game itself is also fairly short as far as battles go once the Highwind is acquired and Costa/Mideel tier become available from shops; Corel Train, Underwater Reactor, gauntlet at Rocket Town, and then Midgar Raid before Disc 3 starts.

Reorganising it, could have the two end-game weapons, Mideel-tier, Costa-tier, and Triple-AP weapons be viable choices for different builds 5 weapons to choose from (and to find) for post-Highwind. The mideel-tier will be the most 'standard' ones, and I'll try different effects and things for the Costa & Triple AP ones.

Quote from: adj998 on 2018-07-17 23:53:25

I downloaded this and did the installation and it went alright, unfortunately when i try to launch the game, nothing happens.

Edit: Nvm I got it going can't wait to give this a try, thanks for your hard work!

Hope you enjoy it; let me know if you encounter any issues.

penetrice · « **Reply #7078 on:** 2018-07-18 00:54:03 »

Looking to play this mod again since it's my absolute favorite, and i haven't played it since v1.4. I was just wondering if anything has changed in terms of vincent's limit breaks, and their usability?

UpRisen · « **Reply #7079 on:** 2018-07-18 01:25:39 »

Vincents limits will now always do 2 physical attacks the 1 magical attack so you can have a good grasp on what his DPS is going to be instead of hoping that RNG favors you.

Inuyashaya · « **Reply #7080 on:** 2018-07-18 02:14:35 »

I want to play this again i played it on 1.4, sadly i cant cause it seems that i am not good enough at patching steam FFVII, installer always says something that theres no files to patch i allowed it on firewall and run it as administrator still cant. there is another thing that can lead to this error?

HautSaus · « **Reply #7081 on:** 2018-07-18 06:06:15 »

Exit in Ancient Forest is working as intended.

still no ap weapon for Vincent tho

Sega Chief · « **Reply #7082 on:** 2018-07-18 13:12:23 »

Quote from: Inuyashaya on 2018-07-18 02:14:35

I want to play this again i played it on 1.4, sadly i cant cause it seems that i am not good enough at patching steam FFVII, installer always says something that theres no files to patch i allowed it on firewall and run it as administrator still cant. there is another thing that can lead to this error?

The installer was changed as the mod now makes use of .EXE modifications which means it now has to be pointed at the 'Final Fantasy VII' folder rather than the Data folder; should be one level up from original installation location.

Quote from: HautSaus on 2018-07-18 06:06:15

Exit in Ancient Forest is working as intended.

still no ap weapon for Vincent tho

No, way! I'm pretty sure I reactivated the chest in the gelnika with it. Unless I've used that variable elsewhere thinking it was no longer going to be needed? I'd better check.

Edit: Still deactivated, I guess I didn't. But also noticed something; apparently when I deactivated that chest, I must have reused its variable for that annoying perma-locked chest in one of the houses in Kalm. It doesn't have an animation, but it gives an Ether when examined. I'll give the gelnika chest a new variable when I reactivate it.

jugend · « **Reply #7083 on:** 2018-07-19 03:07:13 »

Quote from: Sega Chief on 2018-07-18 00:35:48

I agree that Triple AP weapons are mostly redundant with the higher AP yield (particularly of Crater enemies on the left-up path and the bosses leading up to this), double generally does the trick (if needed at all) and Precious Watch can provide triple if it is needed.

Costa-tier weapons are sandwiched between the Icicle tier and Mideel tier. The game itself is also fairly short as far as battles go once the Highwind is acquired and Costa/Mideel tier become available from shops; Corel Train, Underwater Reactor, gauntlet at Rocket Town, and then Midgar Raid before Disc 3 starts.

Reorganising it, could have the two end-game weapons, Mideel-tier, Costa-tier, and Triple-AP weapons be viable choices for different builds 5 weapons to choose from (and to find) for post-Highwind. The mideel-tier will be the most 'standard' ones, and I'll try different effects and things for the Costa & Triple AP ones.

This sounds like a good solution to me, personally, don't feel like any of them would be all that missed at all, probably better than taking them away from early game too.

While I'm here, I'd just like to reiterate that thing about is it feasible to have barrier/mbarrier refresh on targets who already have it on them instead of missing? And what do people think of changing that if it is possible to change? I think it's very minor and wouldn't cause any balance issues, just really a quality of life change.

Vaylen · « **Reply #7084 on:** 2018-07-19 16:54:13 »

Quick question:
Is it possible/feasable to create a new UI for Sense?
I loved how it was handled in FF8 for example - especially from an information perspective.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #7085 on:** 2018-07-19 22:24:30 »

Quote from: jugend on 2018-07-19 03:07:13

This sounds like a good solution to me, personally, don't feel like any of them would be all that missed at all, probably better than taking them away from early game too.

While I'm here, I'd just like to reiterate that thing about is it feasible to have barrier/mbarrier refresh on targets who already have it on them instead of missing? And what do people think of changing that if it is possible to change? I think it's very minor and wouldn't cause any balance issues, just really a quality of life change.

I think DLPB said it would be feasible to do that, and I'd be all for implementing such a change.

Quote from: Vaylen on 2018-07-19 16:54:13

Quick question:
Is it possible/feasable to create a new UI for Sense?
I loved how it was handled in FF8 for example - especially from an information perspective.

Probably not to that level of detail.

Vaylen · « **Reply #7086 on:** 2018-07-20 00:31:31 »

Mh, guessed so. My favourite sense ever, even with bonus flavor text x)

By the way, what's up with the Piano in the Nibelheim Mansion? I am guessing it has to do with Ozma(Going by what Lambda said)... But I have no idea how to make anything happen there. I tried playing the same Melody as for Tifa's Piano(Only thing that came to mind), but to no avail.
I assume the 5th row is the hint, but... I do not get it if that's it. Help would be appreciated.

On a sidenote.... Getting the enemy skill from jerseys is a bloody pain. They use it rarely, have to use it on the right character and cannot be manipulated.

Edit: Got a question: How can I get through allied reflect(aside from debarrier/dispel)?
Was surprised when even White Wind got reflected...

Edit 2: Was surprised Vincent still has his transform more or less like in Vanilla for his Limit. Losing control of a character(And his attack command) until said character dies seems awfully bad to me. And if he's strong enough in Limit to take that cost, he probably is OP if built for it. Wouldn't a change warranted here?(Like, timed transformation).
Also: Do his Limits get affected by backrow penalty? Would really suck if they do.

Edit 3: Just fought a Zuu. Aside from being darn annoying(Which is fine), is it intended that the confusion that it causes is not curable, neither via item, nor via Esuna and not even by characters attacking themselves? Cause that's what happened. It randomly wore off at some point.

shiyanuu · « **Reply #7087 on:** 2018-07-20 06:08:46 »

I can't seem to interact with Caith Sith for his side quest at the Temple of the Ancients, he seems to be on air or some sort making me unable to talk to him. I'm still at disc 2 but seeing as I was able to do Yuffie's sidequest at Wutai made me thought I could also do everyone else's, or do I still need to get to disc 3?

Sega Chief · « **Reply #7088 on:** 2018-07-20 12:16:41 »

Might be that disc 3 is still needed; I started a process of making some of these available earlier but maybe I messed that one up; cait sith also needs to be in the party.

Jcdarden · « **Reply #7089 on:** 2018-07-20 13:39:48 »

Hi there, new to this site / this mod and am loving it so far. I had a couple of questions regarding what I've noticed so far:

1) I was using tifa in the battle arena and swapped out the dragon claw (Dex + 30) for the work glove, which I expected to cause her to hit harder, but she actually dealt less damage. Is Dex tied to attack damage in some way?
2) I want to level up some of the material I've been neglecting without over leveling my characters. I'm in disc 1 - are there spots to grind AP that don't give high EXP as well?

Thanks for all your work on the mod, I have had a great time so far.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #7090 on:** 2018-07-20 17:31:26 »

Quote from: Jcdarden on 2018-07-20 13:39:48

Hi there, new to this site / this mod and am loving it so far. I had a couple of questions regarding what I've noticed so far:

1) I was using tifa in the battle arena and swapped out the dragon claw (Dex + 30) for the work glove, which I expected to cause her to hit harder, but she actually dealt less damage. Is Dex tied to attack damage in some way?
2) I want to level up some of the material I've been neglecting without over leveling my characters. I'm in disc 1 - are there spots to grind AP that don't give high EXP as well?

Thanks for all your work on the mod, I have had a great time so far.

The 'Ancient' weapons (nail bat, workglove, rocket punch, etc.) use a different damage formula; they use character kills as a modifier and their biggest thing is that they can make Morphing easier as they get past the damage penalty.

There's a new enemy called a Mango Fang on the island where the Temple of the Ancients is situated, that appears on the wasteland parts of the island. They give no exp or gil, but 100AP each.

Vaylen · « **Reply #7091 on:** 2018-07-20 19:27:26 »

Has my last post not been seen? Well, no matter, got another request.

Now that one can reset rank-ups, we'd need an updated base stat list.
No idea how accurate the current readme exactly is, but it doesn't list rank-up options correctly and Yuffie&Red have the exact same base stats in there.

I'd really liek to use the reset to respecc my characters once I got the highwind(Valuable option, now that I know a bit better how the game works with NT). For that, I believe I have to cheat the base stats back to the original values - which is pretty hard to do when I don't exactly know what those were.

Nikkolas · « **Reply #7092 on:** 2018-07-20 22:03:55 »

Is stealing from Reno and Rude in the crashed ship supposed to be impossible? The fight is nothing, I could easily win but I refuse to win without getting their goodies.

I went there right after watching the plane with the materia take off for Rocket Town. Party isCloud, Tifa and Aerith and we're all about

I also just updated to the latest version after playing through up to this point on an older version of 1.5.E veryone seems to hit a decent bit harder and also i think Aerith has a bit more HP.

shiyanuu · « **Reply #7093 on:** 2018-07-21 02:49:50 »

Is there a list of what the effects of each ultimate weapon does, have they been changed from vanilla? Or the effects on the description of each weapon can be taken as is. Also, I can't seem to find where Barret's Max Ray is at, documentation says you can steal them from Armored Golems but I only get Pilebangers when stealing/morphing them.

EDIT: I just finished the dark cave sidequest, It sent me out into Cosmo Canyon area of the map specifically just outside ancient forest, I have no way to get to the Highwind, what now.

eliwolfe92 · « **Reply #7094 on:** 2018-07-21 03:23:09 »

I just wanted to say thank you for making this, Sega Chief. It's really helping breathe new life into an already great game! It's nuts how much time you've clearly put into this so

I have a small issue with NT however that I'm wondering if you might have some insight on.

My issue is that when I start a new game with NT and select the option to keep field music playing during battle, the option doesn't actually work in-game. The battle music doesn't play in the beginning outside of Reactor No.1 but that's how it is in the original game. Inside of Reactor No.1 the battle music plays as usual during each fight.

For what it's worth, I use the 7th Heaven version of your mod acquired directly through the catalog. In the spoiler below is a list of all the mods I have enabled in 7th Heaven v.1.49 (v.1.54 was causing serious issues for my system) Note: I've tried NT on it's own without any other mods enabled and get the same results an issue with iro version?)

Spoiler: show

It's also worth noting I tried editing my flevel.lgp using Makou Reactor, like you suggested in this thread: http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=16340.0 but had no luck doing that either...

Any advice you can offer would be GREATLY appreciated. Cheers!

UpRisen · « **Reply #7095 on:** 2018-07-21 13:09:01 »

Thats a very old version and alot of the bugs in it have been fixed, just try the newest version available on the initial post of this thread. Download the IRO package and open the zip file up and place the ff7 and ff7_bc.exe if you want Menu overhaul in your FF7 directory (make copies of your originals just in case) Then place the IRO included in the zip in your ff7/mods/7th heaven folder and launch 7th heaven. go to your library tab and hit search and at the bottom of the list will be the new NT. just activate it and leave it at the bottom of your load order, then just turn off the original Gameplay and Story iro

jugend · « **Reply #7096 on:** 2018-07-21 20:52:54 »

Quote from: Sega Chief on 2018-07-19 22:24:30

I think DLPB said it would be feasible to do that, and I'd be all for implementing such a change.

Sorry, something I overlooked at the time was; IF wall could be refreshed, then counter magic combined with barrier would no longer be wasted, as every counter would just refresh it instead of missing, that might be deemed overpowered?

If that was linked with an all or mega all, that could be extremly strong, but I'm not sure if counter materia thats paired depletes your all supplies? If it does, that would greatly reduce it's worth, as you'd be throwing away your wall+all for when you need it, and would probably be best to not pair it with an all.

Vaylen · « **Reply #7097 on:** 2018-07-21 20:54:41 »

Quote from: jugend on 2018-07-21 20:52:54

Sorry, something I overlooked at the time was; IF wall could be refreshed, then counter magic combined with barrier would no longer be wasted, as every counter would just refresh it instead of missing, that might be deemed overpowered?

If that was linked with an all or mega all, that could be extremly strong, but I'm not sure if counter materia thats paired depletes your all supplies? If it does, that would greatly reduce it's worth, as you'd be throwing away your wall+all for when you need it, and would probably be best to not pair it with an all.

It should deplete "ALL" supply. After all, it also depletes "Summon".

Ethario · « **Reply #7098 on:** 2018-07-21 21:13:11 »

I saw in the readme caith sith has a lvl 4 limit break now ? what are these limit breaks he has 4 now ?

shiyanuu · « **Reply #7099 on:** 2018-07-22 16:12:09 »

Okay so I guess I beat every piece of content NT Arranged has to offer already, it's such a great mod honestly and really let's you experience FF7 in a new way, a better way in my opinion, thank you so much for your hard work in creating and developing NT.

Some things though, can you in anyway get the normal ending while playing with this mod? I tried finishing the game with and without the hero medal and it still gives me that party lol, I actually had to turn off the mod on the very last part as it appears that it doesn't have that badass Omnislash scene.

Also, is the ? ? ?/? ? ? character name on the SP screen actually a hidden character? Did I in some way missed in recruiting him/her? There's also another ? ? ? item that is dropped by ? ? ? that I also have no idea if ever got due to the amount of endgame sidebosses.

One thing though that turned me off but not that much is that of how overpowered a full str/dex/luck based Yuffie is with the Conformer late game. She alone stomped most of the bosses dealing 20-30k crits most of the time on those high leveled bosses and practially ended the fights in 2-3 of her turns. It kind of spoiled the fun for me in dealing with most, about around 70% of the late game bosses, though I still did fight each of them again without the Conformer after beating them.

Once again though, thanks for creating NT and I'm sure to replay the game with NT again after some years! Maybe once more just before the remake comes out.