Author Topic: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.99994) (Read 4883693 times)

JLOUTLAW · « **Reply #4275 on:** 2016-10-11 10:36:18 »

Will the IRO have the new Dark Cave in it as well? Looking forward to playing it again. You've done an outstanding job.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4276 on:** 2016-10-11 10:41:36 »

It will, yeah; bear in mind that DK is still in prototype though.

Zara9 · « **Reply #4277 on:** 2016-10-11 12:10:44 »

hey sega chief

cloud and barret dissappear for me to at the start of the dark cave sidequest as well

i have all the latest patches installed

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4278 on:** 2016-10-11 12:30:57 »

It must be this Disc Check thing not reliably swapping to Disc 1 properly; let me take another look at it.

Edit: Figured it out, I moved it because it caused a black flicker on-screen when executed in the script but it doesn't activate at all in its new location.

Zara9 · « **Reply #4279 on:** 2016-10-11 12:37:45 »

hey

are you gonna upload another patch then sega chief

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4280 on:** 2016-10-11 12:46:06 »

Well, yeah.

Edit: Boop http://www.mediafire.com/file/xolkywtidk3cgl3/NT_Mod_HotFix_flevel_11th_October_2016_Mk2.zip

FifulX · « **Reply #4281 on:** 2016-10-11 15:12:28 »

Hey, I'm gonna give this mod a second playthrough now that it is in 1.4, and I was wondering whether all the hotfixes are applied to the current main installer. Great job on the mod Sega, and I hope that dark cave is fun and challenging.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4282 on:** 2016-10-11 15:57:17 »

The balancing in Dark Cave will be quite rough-shod, and the second half of the scenario is a little threadbare at the moment (it can be completed for the key items to use for Ult weapons and some unique armour drops like Mystile though).

FifulX · « **Reply #4283 on:** 2016-10-11 16:15:23 »

Okay, so I started a new playthrough and encountered a weird glitch. The beeping noise in the first reactor persisted throughout, and even continued onto the train segment and past that. It was playing another layer of the beeping as it was "doubled" in sections the beeping was supposed to occur. It also persisted through FMV's. No idea why this glitch arose, I'm not running the Dark Cave patch, and only installed using the main installer. I had random encounters off, and had no way to get into an encounter until next reactor. I fixed it by turning the game off at the next save point (which was after the train segment)

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4284 on:** 2016-10-11 17:29:55 »

Quote from: FifulX on 2016-10-11 16:15:23

Okay, so I started a new playthrough and encountered a weird glitch. The beeping noise in the first reactor persisted throughout, and even continued onto the train segment and past that. It was playing another layer of the beeping as it was "doubled" in sections the beeping was supposed to occur. It also persisted through FMV's. No idea why this glitch arose, I'm not running the Dark Cave patch, and only installed using the main installer. I had random encounters off, and had no way to get into an encounter until next reactor. I fixed it by turning the game off at the next save point (which was after the train segment)

Maybe interference from the DK scripts; some sound editing was done in there to get things onto separate channels. I'll get that repaired ASAP.

Purazis · « **Reply #4285 on:** 2016-10-11 21:08:31 »

Is there any way to know if an enemy is inflicted by dual-drain status, or if it's immune to it, for that matter ? I've killed two of them extra fast on lower-left path compared to the one pre-split, but i didn't use Flare on the pre-split, so i'm not sure if Sega was messing with HP and forgot to change back (that happened to Elena in the past, according to himself), if it's dual-drain working its magic or if it's intended, as the steal spreadsheet has the lower-left tonberry with morph/steal/drop swapped around.

On another note, i've read about steal being insanely hard on North Crater enemies due to the steal formula. Out of curiosity, what are the odds of getting a steal without gloves on a level 99 as i don't know their level and it's obviously above 99 ?

unclebiggs23 · « **Reply #4286 on:** 2016-10-11 21:24:16 »

So I just finished the Dark Cave sidequest and ran into some small issues. When fighting Spectral Hojo, the game temporarily freezes. I noticed it happened as it was rendering itself invisible, and the game eventually worked itself out after a few seconds. As well as this, the song played during the fight would repeat a few seconds over and over again, but it also worked itself out. After defeating it, the boss is still seen inside the tube where it is fought, but it only shows once the screen used to interact with the boss is exited. A little farther into the quest when climbing down the vine used to enter the Shinra building, it is actually invisible, but it suddenly appears once reaching the very bottom. Although these things happened, I still thoroughly enjoyed the sidequest. By the way, where did the design for Mirage come from?

Is that entirely new or is it a combination of different boss designs?? I don't think I ever saw a monster like that in the game. It surprised me when I first saw it!

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4287 on:** 2016-10-11 23:45:28 »

Quote from: Purazis on 2016-10-11 21:08:31

Is there any way to know if an enemy is inflicted by dual-drain status, or if it's immune to it, for that matter ? I've killed two of them extra fast on lower-left path compared to the one pre-split, but i didn't use Flare on the pre-split, so i'm not sure if Sega was messing with HP and forgot to change back (that happened to Elena in the past, according to himself), if it's dual-drain working its magic or if it's intended, as the steal spreadsheet has the lower-left tonberry with morph/steal/drop swapped around.

On another note, i've read about steal being insanely hard on North Crater enemies due to the steal formula. Out of curiosity, what are the odds of getting a steal without gloves on a level 99 as i don't know their level and it's obviously above 99 ?

Dual-Drain has no visual indicator, unfortunately. It can be tracked via Sense but that's no use against anything with 30,000+ HP; all enemies down there should have their correct HP values. Master Tonberry has had differing item lists in the past due to a mistake, I'm in the process of revising these lists using BlackMage's spreadsheet, updating it as I go.

The thing with the steal is that the AI has a script to use Lv.44 for damage formulas on characters which also affects Steal formulas. It's something I need to address, but not sure how yet.

Quote from: unclebiggs23 on 2016-10-11 21:24:16

So I just finished the Dark Cave sidequest and ran into some small issues. When fighting Spectral Hojo, the game temporarily freezes. I noticed it happened as it was rendering itself invisible, and the game eventually worked itself out after a few seconds. As well as this, the song played during the fight would repeat a few seconds over and over again, but it also worked itself out. After defeating it, the boss is still seen inside the tube where it is fought, but it only shows once the screen used to interact with the boss is exited. A little farther into the quest when climbing down the vine used to enter the Shinra building, it is actually invisible, but it suddenly appears once reaching the very bottom. Although these things happened, I still thoroughly enjoyed the sidequest. By the way, where did the design for Mirage come from? Is that entirely new or is it a combination of different boss designs?? I don't think I ever saw a monster like that in the game. It surprised me when I first saw it!

That fight is a little odd due to the scripts; I'll have a shot at restructuring them to prevent that temporary hanging. The wire disappearing is something I think I've figured out, but not tested the fix yet.

Mirage might be a bit more recognisable if viewed upside-down :3

Edit: Patch is up to fix that sound issues in Reactor No.1 with SFX + wrong music. I also went ahead and made the alarm stop when you leave that screen after setting the bomb; it was kinda annoying.

SunnyD · « **Reply #4288 on:** 2016-10-12 22:35:52 »

Been playing the Dark Cave sidequest myself. Working fine until I get to the Proud Clod lookalike boss. Every time I enter the battle I get an "Unknown error has occured" messages and the game closes. Downloaded it today using the links on the first page.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4289 on:** 2016-10-13 00:23:39 »

It's the battle.lgp; the hotfixes don't have that in there, but it's needed for new battle-models. It's patched in the Main Installer download, but not the individual patches.

SunnyD · « **Reply #4290 on:** 2016-10-13 01:56:29 »

Oh derp. Had a feeling I had missed something. Defeated that boss and I'm assuming that's the end of the sidequest (for now at least).

EDIT: Forgot to mention this. That boss has no music playing when I fought it, that intentional or have I missed something again?

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4291 on:** 2016-10-13 13:23:40 »

Prob an oversight on my part; I'd set the condor minigame music to play for that fight, but I guess it didn't trigger for some reason.

MoCheese · « **Reply #4292 on:** 2016-10-13 23:54:02 »

Back again to give my thoughts and bug reports on the Dark Cave sidequest. Although I'm going to need some confirmation as to which are legit problems you've heard about or encountered yourself, and which may be an installation problem or something because just from skimming these past couple of pages, I seem to have run into more problems then most. I'm also going to report things that may have already been reported so disregard those if true. I will also put most of these in spoilers because this quest just came out.

- First a warning to everyone though, if you go into the Dark Cave with either Tifa or Cid as your party lead, you will not be able to remove them for the duration of the side quest. Could a PHS window prompt be put up before entering to change/warn people of this?

Spoiler: show

Whew, ok. A lot reported there. Again, I am going to assume that some or maybe most of the problems I ran into were installation problems on my end, and if so some or most of these bug reports may be faulty. If that is the case my apologies.

So just to be clear here, downloading the top link and installing only that is all I need to do to be set, right?

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4293 on:** 2016-10-14 02:06:43 »

These mostly seem to be script errors, not installation errors:

Spoiler: show

Ah, what a mess :l

Quote from: MoCheese on 2016-10-13 23:54:02

So just to be clear here, downloading the top link and installing only that is all I need to do to be set, right?

For the battle.lgp? The Main Installer has the one you need, but after installing it you'll then need to re-apply the hotfix patches because it overwrites everything. I'm going to take the lot of them down and get everything into the Main + IRO to get rid of this problem.

seijuro · « **Reply #4294 on:** 2016-10-14 12:46:57 »

Hey, just applied the most latest patches, and Mideel enemies still don't give Exp? Everyone's above level 60.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4295 on:** 2016-10-14 12:49:15 »

I'll sort that out just now; I'm going to try and get everything updated today.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4296 on:** 2016-10-14 17:51:21 »

Because of the Battle.lgp, I've removed the hotfix patches and updated the main installer + IRO instead. That way every other file is up-to-date as well. Fixed up the issues MoCheese mentioned and the 0EXP problem in Mideel (over Lv.51, they should give EXP correctly).

Zara9 · « **Reply #4297 on:** 2016-10-14 18:51:28 »

hey

what happen to the darkcave sidequest download link on here

Sega Chief · « **Reply #4298 on:** 2016-10-14 20:47:53 »

Everything's in the main installer & IRO now.

Bandicoot · « **Reply #4299 on:** 2016-10-15 03:20:56 »

Just wanted to register and say that I really enjoyed this mod. I never thought much about FF7 before and in fact found it to be a bit boring. However, I felt this had a near-perfect level of challenge (near perfect cuz the bosses started to have loads of health near the end

). It made me appreciate VII's gameplay systems a lot more, especially the materia system and how all the status effects were actually relevant at one point or another. This in turn made me pay more attention to the story and come to like the characters more as well. I would say FF7 is my favorite now, but ONLY with New Threat installed!

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