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Red XIII WIP
This work is largely inspired by Timu Simusus Barret model. To continue his style and idea. This is still work in progress, so it's not done. There is still a lot more I have to do on the hair, and his fire tail. Right now I'm having a problem with his hair. If someone could help me out in any way I would appreciate it.
I know this model isn't perfect, so please comment on what needs to be improved!
Current wip
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5964/redie.th.png) (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/redie.png/)
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2728/ferrgw.th.png) (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/ferrgw.png/)
Reference
http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg
http://www.quizilla.com/user_images/I/Insane-Zan/1071801709_resREDXIII.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3075/2831060581_eb0c9f231b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3406544981_232cedddb1.jpg
http://finalfantasy.neoseeker.com/uploads/finalfantasy/nanaki_red_xiii_before_crisis_mini.jpg
http://th01.deviantart.com/fs6/300W/i/2005/063/f/4/Nanaki__son_of_Seto_by_Noiry.jpg
http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v3.jpg
http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v6.jpg
http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v5.jpg
http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v4.jpg - Style
Red XII information
Red XIII, whose real name is Nanaki, is large, powerful, leonine and coated with fire red fur. His species possesses great longevity, which surprises the party when they learn that his 48 years only amounts to adolescence by his species' standards. Though his real name is Nanaki, he is given the name Red XIII by Hojo, and continues to be called this when the party rescues him from Hojo's laboratory.
Red XIII joins Cloud's group while they are rescuing Aerith Gainsborough from the Shinra building, where Hojo is attempting to breed Aerith with Nanaki in order to preserve what he believes to be two endangered species of animal. Red XIII believes that his father, Seto, had been a coward who abandoned Cosmo Canyon during a war with the now-extinct Gi Tribe, leaving the tribes to fight on their own. As such, he was deeply ashamed of being Seto's son.
When the group later visits Cosmo Canyon, they meet the village elder, Bugenhagen, whom Red XIII refers to as his "grandfather." Here, Red XIII learns the truth about his father, who sacrificed himself to save the village. Finally knowing the truth of his proud heritage, Red XIII, with some encouragement from Bugenhagen, gains the courage to rejoin Cloud's party for the rest of their journey, during which he proves himself to be a valuable asset and friend. He is shown to be alive 500 years after the series along with his two children looking down at the overgrown ruins of Midgar.
Model information
Faces - 1321
Textures - Not yet
Procent done - 55%
Time left - Depends on the hair
Thanks
-Hermoor-
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It looks a lot like Cloud, in my opinion... Which hairstyle do you want Zack to have?
1.) His own, before changing to the one like Angeal's? (Two bangs)
2.) The one that looks like Angeal? (One bang)
3.) In Advent Children? (One bang, I THINK it's different...)
1 and 2 are Crisis Core.
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I edited whilst you were posting, you were probably eating breakfast by that time though.
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn90/MoutainFork/YellowChocobo.gif)
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Actually yours Zack looks more like SOLDIER from Dirge of Cerberus:
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/squallff8_2008/gsdx_20080519163106.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/squallff8_2008/gsdx_20080519163422.jpg)
And you Red XIII like this one:
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/squallff8_2008/gsdx_20080519163012.jpg)
It's my opinion :|
Anyway i want to see what you'll get in the end!Keep going!
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I found this:
(http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-zack_fair_v1.jpg)
(http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-zack_fair_v2.jpg)
(http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v1.jpg)
http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v3.jpg (http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v3.jpg)
http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v6.jpg (http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v6.jpg)
(http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v2.jpg)
http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v7.jpg (http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v7.jpg) & http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v5.jpg (http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v5.jpg) (portrait)
http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v4.jpg (http://www.ff-omeganebula.com/galeries/FF7/7b-red13_v4.jpg) (old Nanaki)
:-P
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Btw,about emblem on his belt.In original FF7 there was emblem that they used like DG SOLDIER in DOC and in Crisi Core they Changed it to this:
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/9/95/SOLDIER_Logo.jpg)
What emblem is REAL :? :|
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2. i found only this one
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/Mantis_Lives/designs/Redxiiitattoo.jpg)
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cool, another new hires model for FF7!
Red's coming along great :-)
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I really like that tattoo...
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lol it amazes me between apz and i doing much more original models and creating ourselfs we now have a barret and a red XIII which is cool unfortunately i wont be able to add them to mine because of my details. Nice work with red keep it going.
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I thought those feathers were the head dress, but then again... (Oh yeah, there's a fire thingy ma jig on his tail.)
Red 13's original weapon only has two feathers.
I'm barely really helping, since I have no knowledge about models, creating 3-D models (etc.) His back leg has a tattoo...?
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I'm really happy to see someone has started a Red XIII model. APZ seems to have inspired a lot of creativity, keep it up!
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I'm really happy to see someone has started a Red XIII model. APZ seems to have inspired a lot of creativity, keep it up!
I'd like to second this; it's about time there was a mod for my favourite character ;-)
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Since you're making custom models and clearly already have the battle model... check your pm
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I take it it works?
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Hmmm...strange...My Red XIII works fine too (in sitting pose).
Don't have any idea why your's not works :?
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My biturn has decided to quit working for now. Once it works again, shouldn't be a problem
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Actually Biturn opens HRC file as Skeleton and P files as 3d parts.
I can't convert whole model to 3DS...only P files
Try extract whole PRP's char.LGP in some folder and open adda hrc(RED XIII) file in kimera.After that save this model with the same name to other folder and open it in biturn
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So why won't you try field model???Field REX XIII is same as battle
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The Battle model andPRP's field model are the same but with different size:
Broken battle model:
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/squallff8_2008/01.jpg)
Field model:
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/squallff8_2008/02.jpg)
THEY ARE THE SAME!!
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squallff8 is using the prp, but you should be able to convert battle or field model p files into 3ds files. Then cut up your model and use blender/3dmax to match your new parts to the original part sizes. After that just convert in pcreator add your tex and then rename your new pieces to the original pieces names and it should(in theory) work in game. This totally side steps using kimera and is not as accurate but should work considering you cannot open that model.
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Bring back the body from first screens!!! :-)
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I think the body from first screens was perfect.All proportions was like of Red XIII
In this one body is too little i think
As i said in PM, i'll send you model today later.
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EDIT :)
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Thats what biturn gave me
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Hermoor
great work! :-o
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:-o :-o :-o that F*CKING GREAT!!!
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As for the hair on his head.. I have no idea what should be done. However the 1 thing wrong with the model (besides his hair) is his back legs. The "thigh" portion should be bigger
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Yeah, he looks like he's lost some weight :-P
I'd say that his limbs and body all need to be made a bit beefier, but the thighs of his back legs need to most muscle.
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Thighs need to be a tiny bit thicker than that again. IMO. Great work so far ^_^
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Wow, looking really good. However, I think the bend in his front legs needs to be a little higher up
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Thats a damn good model, Is this strictly battle only? Or both field and battle?
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Well keep up the good work :-D
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Looking really good there ^_^
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This seems to be coming along quite nicely now. I'd say he still needs a bit more muscle all over (you can see from this (http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg) that he has a really muscular physique), but there has been quite an improvement. Keep it up :wink:
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Think his hair is just a tad to long on his back/neck area. And it seems more of a straight cut in the pictures. Other then that, awesome job :-D
But, I'd be happy with a release as is :-D
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I think he looks quite good. I'd agree he's finished now except for texturing. As far as I know we only have two people here who are great at it, Apz and Millenia, both of whom are currently engaged with other projects.
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i also agree hes done, nice job
the mods should make a release thread for each of all these new character models and sticky them so it will be easy to find
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Wow. amazing job, Hope the Barret and Tifa models get released soon. Then the whole first part of my game will have awesome battle models! :-D
EDIT: is you don't mind me asking, How long have you been modeling? And did you go to school for it? If no to the second could you point me to where i could learn? I'd love to help out in this forum, But sadly, i can't model :-(
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Thanks! :-D And i know a lot of people are working on characters. But i am going to the more neglected then even Cait Sith.
Monsters! :-D my first goal is to remake all the enemies in the bombing mission. Which is Shina MP. and two things i don't know the name of. Think thats an easy task. Though at the rate i work, expect them mid 2020 XD
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images can be no larger than 512/512. in pcreator i think you can make up to 10 images for an model. you shouldnt need more than 1 or 2 though.
@ hermoor, you should add a few more seams near the end of limbs and such so that they spread more to a rectangular shape, rather than bunching up at the ends, that'll avoid texture warping.
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Even with Aali's driver the limit is 512*512?
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I can't wait for your Red XIII model to finish, And Timu's Barret. Then not just my Cloud look look amazing :-D
Might have to switch up my party to add Barret into my team, So all my party will be amazing looking :-P
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like on the bottom of the foot or something, and cut on the inside of the limbs, but alas, do your textures well and you wont see the seam :P
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The original data does not use any textures larger than 256x256.
My driver supports whatever your GL driver supports. (2048x2048 for anything modern)
You should stick to 512x512 though, since people with older hardware may want to use your mods.
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will pcreator allow files larger than 512/512? because thats the bottle neck we need to bypass.
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I have no idea, I've never used it.
But surely there must be other ways to create .tex files?
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i think the issue is invluding the uv data with the battle model file, i'm not sure if its saved into the file by pixel, or vector, in which case the image size would be irrelevant.
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Texture coordinates are normalized (anything else would be insane). The image can be replaced with any other size and still look right.
Use 1024x1024 if you don't care about the original graphic card requirements of FF7, pretty much anything newer will support that.
Even 2048x2048 is probably supported by most cards out there, it may be slow on really old cards though.
Of course, the optimal texture size is where one pixel from the texture ends up being one pixel on the screen.
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well assuming most people are running ff7 at 1280/960, what resoultion would that be? characters are rarely cover much of the screen. apz's are 512/512 and they look fine to me.
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As far as I know you can go with any size you want! If I remember correctly (I'm too lazy to look it up right now) But the Squeeble tutorial that taught me to do this used a 512x1024. I only used 512x512 because that's all the detail I needed.
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It's his hind legs. His chest is large, and so his back legs should reflect that as well
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He's looking great, but I agree that the top part of the hind leg could be wider. Specifically where it connects up with the body.
I know he's not really a dog, but dogs, in general, have pretty thick hind legs in relative proportion to their front legs.
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5599/colliemuscles.jpg) (http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5595/germ.jpg) (http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/777/americanstaffordshireteh.jpg)
But he looks absolutely awesome.
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Maybe Millenia could do a mohawk for you, He does some amazing textures. By hand no less :-o
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email me yer mesh, i'll have a goover of it.
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like in the ending animation? why not the cut while you have him in party?
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I'd say Hojo might have cut it. But Hojo wouldn't take care of his "Pets"
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h'okay! here comes progress! I've made a nice mane of spikey hair, also adding the locks at his neck, which have a ring as well as i think a materia underneath (see advent children). wtv a lil ball. next i'll be bulking him up!
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9730/picture38z.png)
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9637/picture39k.png)
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1334/picture40p.png)
P.S. nice thoughts hellbringer
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Loving the hair and new face. I can't wait till it's release :-D
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actually i mostly look at the old red reference, AC was for the locks, but anyhow, the hair is fairly mohawkish, it does slant on to either side (some spikes slant inwards actually) because well... thats what hair does, hair doesnt go straight up, but alas, once its ingame, it'll look quite mowhawkish nehow, trust me on that one (remmber you'll rarely see him close up, and when you do, some hangy and slanted hair will make sense in the heat of battle.
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I think it looks much better if he has the wild hairstyle shown in the screenshot. Instead of the less wild straight boring looking hair he got in the game. I mean what lion cuts his hair, just like a lion shows of his big beautiful mane. I think red should too. Lots of wild hair showing that he is a bad motherf***er! :-D Hope it's looking good Timu 8-)
Actually, I think his hair is shorter in the game, and then longer at the end because he is a juvenile in the game, but a full adult when we see him last. Just like a young lion when it's getting it's mane in. Their body looks completely adult, but their mane looks like rather silly.
However, I totally like the looks of your Nanaki much better. I think the wild hair looks more interesting - so I say stick with it.
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Here is the more or less final mesh, buffed up and including nice earrings and paws (note i just realised he doesnt have the ankle things but wtv :P, you'll see pics of em later)
(http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8947/picture44.png)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/308/picture45.png)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8969/picture42.png)
(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5898/picture43.png)
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okay here is the version with ankle bracelet things..
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8309/picture46y.png)
Now what I ask this community. when you view reds model in biturn (rwaa) it's peices are all over the place, least for most people i know. why is this? and how can it get fixed? if not then we will have a great deal of difficulty getting him ingame :P
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for shits and gigglez... classy red xiii
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8697/picture47.png)
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Timu i love your red XIII i want it! :-D
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okay here is the version with ankle bracelet things..
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8309/picture46y.png)
that is a really nice Red XIII! keep up the good work!
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looks like all it needs is some smoothing out and some texturing and you're good to go.
but i'm not a modder so i don't have a clue about wtf i'm saying
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That Red XIII looks really good! :-)
And it's nice to see that the pics hosted on imageshack are back (they got hacked last night) :wink:
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I love his hair!
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Classy Red looks kinda like mafia!
He looks absoultely amazing.
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Nice progress guys!
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nice! good looking red13! haha if you would still like me to help you import that to ff7 just pm me and ill gladly do it! :-D
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I will definately get back to you on that... possibly with amyn of my models, but first it needs to be split and to b textured
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Any updates on this?
And who will be texturing it?
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Any updates on this?
And who will be texturing it?
*cough cough*
:-D
That is, if he wants me to.
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i vote for mellenia to texture, he owns at this stuff
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oh millenia, why wouldnt i want you to. anyhow, we need to tweak barret a wee bit, but alas, you pick what character to do next... THAT I'VE FINISHED ALREADY. tifa, red or nearly aeris :P
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I vote Tifa, as she appears after Barret. But thats just me haha. If we're going for favorite out of the three, Red XIII is my other choice.
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But Tifa can be ripped from KH2. And from Crisis Core (although she has a different outfit).
I vote Cait Sith, since he can't be ripped from anything AFAIK.
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only red, tifa, and aeris are options since they are finished models.
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But Tifa can be ripped from KH2. And from Crisis Core (although she has a different outfit).
Wasn't there a big hoohah about releasing ripped models, due to legal reasons?
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Releasing them, yes. But people can rip them on their own.
Barret, Red XIII and Cait Sith can't be ripped from anything AFAIK, so there's no way to play the game with more detailed models of them other than having someone making the models, meaning they should be the priority.
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cait sith - dirge of cerberus? :P
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Aww, come on, why not Don Corneo? :-P
No, really, I'd like to see it. Or Ruphaux...
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cait sith - dirge of cerberus? :P
But that's just the cat bit, isn't it? IIRC the giant stuffed moogle wasn't in the game.
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cait sith - dirge of cerberus? :P
But that's just the cat bit, isn't it? IIRC the giant stuffed moogle wasn't in the game.
You're correct. Personally I'd rather have him how he was in DoC instead of riding a white fluffy moogle. Anyways, if someone feels they have what it takes to rip a model out of DoC, please, do feel free.
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Aww, come on, why not Don Corneo? :-P
No, really, I'd like to see it. Or Ruphaux...
ruphaux? rufus maybe? he's on the npc list of ppl to do (those that have battle and field models get priority, dyne, chocobos, palmer, etc)
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cait sith - dirge of cerberus? :P
But that's just the cat bit, isn't it? IIRC the giant stuffed moogle wasn't in the game.
You're correct. Personally I'd rather have him how he was in DoC instead of riding a white fluffy moogle. Anyways, if someone feels they have what it takes to rip a model out of DoC, please, do feel free.
Thing is, there might be problems with the animations if we just have the cat in battle; in fact, I think we'd have make some completely new ones.
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Aww, come on, why not Don Corneo? :-P
No, really, I'd like to see it. Or Ruphaux...
ruphaux? rufus maybe? he's on the npc list of ppl to do (those that have battle and field models get priority, dyne, chocobos, palmer, etc)
Hold the phones! :-D
Are you saying that Rufus is not on that list, or that he is? Because he definitely has a battle model as well as a field model.
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Thing is, there might be problems with the animations if we just have the cat in battle; in fact, I think we'd have make some completely new ones.
There would DEFINITELY be animation problems, but now that Borde has gained a newfound interest in toying with Kimera some more, (not to mention Aali figuring out and fixing everything to do with modding the game) it wouldn't surprise me if one of them figures out how to create new animations or substitute the ones other models use.
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cait sith - dirge of cerberus? :P
But that's just the cat bit, isn't it? IIRC the giant stuffed moogle wasn't in the game.
You're correct. Personally I'd rather have him how he was in DoC instead of riding a white fluffy moogle. Anyways, if someone feels they have what it takes to rip a model out of DoC, please, do feel free.
Thing is, there might be problems with the animations if we just have the cat in battle; in fact, I think we'd have make some completely new ones.
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Aww, come on, why not Don Corneo? :-P
No, really, I'd like to see it. Or Ruphaux...
ruphaux? rufus maybe? he's on the npc list of ppl to do (those that have battle and field models get priority, dyne, chocobos, palmer, etc)
Hold the phones! :-D
Are you saying that Rufus is not on that list, or that he is? Because he definitely has a battle model as well as a field model.
rufus is on the list ^^ i meant that those that DO have battle and field models will get done first. field only will come later, should i even get to them.
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i meant that those that DO have battle and field models will get done first. field only will come later, should i even get to them.
I got that bit :-D
But I couldn't tell whether you were saying Rufus was part of the group with Dyne etc or being contrasted with it; I was worried you might have forgotten that he had a battle model as well :roll:
Anyway, it turns out that there was no need to worry :-P
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2 questions:
1. when do you think the red model can be done?
2. i cannot for the life of me figure out what IIRC means
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i cannot for the life of me figure out what IIRC means
If I recall correctly :-D
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2 questions:
1. when do you think the red model can be done?
2. i cannot for the life of me figure out what IIRC means
These things really take so much time it's hard to evaluate when all the people who are working on it a) have time to work on it and b) have the motivation to work on it. It's done when it's done, tbh :P
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