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Sir Canealot: Heh. And which category would that one fall under?
Joey, the corpulence of your true amount of knowledge is vomitorial.
- Sauce unknown
, but actually Square planned to kill Aeris from practically the beginning of FF7's development.
Congrats on your newfound Crazyness!
cHiBiMaRuKo: Good insight. I'll let the other group members know. I'll tell you what we decide.
To answer your questions, I've played FF7 for at least as long as you. Been playing almost non-stop since December of '98.
What cinematic with Reeve? Sure, he is Cait Sith, but that doesn't mean you see *him* in the 8 minute video. Also, keep in mind that for Biggs, Wedge, Jessy, Zack, and Tseng, you never actually see them die. You see them all apparently close to dying. That's it. In most of those cases, it would be easy for a story writer to fit in something that saves them.
As for the useless items, we're referring to the Super Sweeper, Masamune Blade (not the Masamune, which is impossible to get without cheating), Fight Diary, Autograph, Gambler.
This also would have included Tissues and 1/35 Soldiers, but apparently the Tissues control the difficulty in the Battle Arena, and the 1/35 Soldiers can be kept at the house you can buy in Costa Del Sol. I haven't tested the thing about them making the Ft. Condor battles not cost anything yet.
[This message has been edited by Srethron Askvelhtnod (edited February 01, 2001).]
), here it is:Point taken. What about DirectX 8.1?
"If it truly X-Box will come out this US fall, PC is highly likely won't have time to catch-up. New graphic card every 6 months? How long NV20 takes to come out? More than 1 full year since NV15 released. Radeon2 will still don't match NV25 speed even if ATI released them in time ( which is hould be now ). Note the word if. The graphic chip market now seems to have beeen slowing down it seems. No competition. And I don't see that NV20 prices will come down before X-Box launch at least."
Release dates:
Geforce 256: September 1999
Geforce 2: Spring 2000
Geforce 2 Ultra: Late september 2000
NV20/GeForce 3: February 27, 2000
NVIDIA Introduces GeForce3 for the PC
Industry's Most Advanced Processor Ever is the Core of Both DirectX 8.0 and Xbox Game Console
INTEL DEVELOPER FORUM - SAN JOSE, CA - February 27, 2001 - Just 5 days after the original announcement for the Macintosh platform, NVIDIA Corporation (NASDAQ: NVDA) announced today the GeForce3TM GPU (graphics processing unit) for the PC. The GeForce3 GPU is based on a radical new graphics architecture that will offer breakthrough graphics to multiple markets, including the desktop PC and the Macintosh® platforms. This groundbreaking GPU includes the same core technology as NVIDIA's highly anticipated Xbox GPU (XGPU) for Microsoft's XboxTM game console.
http://www.nvidia.com/Pages.nsf/pages/pr_022701" TARGET=_blank>>>Read on
Like I said, every 6 months. The earliest the X-box could possibly be out is 6-7 months from now.
"I do want to see how those emulator programmers try to emulate the way X-Box handles data streaming, Dolby Digital AC-3 processing and large texture handling routine in PC; that 3 are just for examples."
I'm no programmer. Explain briefly what the problems are and I'll try to answer.
"Remember that X-bOX DDR-RAM is 128-bit not 64 bit as in your article. It's so much faster than DDR-RAM for PC. Next GeForce4 is ready by the time X-Box launch? With no competition, will you think nVidia will do that? That move will hurt themselves. Probably GeForce3 MX is more viable product that will come from nVidia at that time."
Where'd you get that from? My understanding is that:
1. The X-box only has 64MB RAM
2. It's Unified RAM, not DDR
"Both AMD ands Intel will have 2Ghz CPU by the end of this year, but seriously I don't think if those 2Ghz machines can match X-Box in terms of performance when all you have is NV20 as the best VGA card you can get. Another thing you have to remember is that a 2Ghz CPU+NV20 combo will be VERY EXPENSIVE, so anyone is better off buying an X-Box anyway."
Even if the market does slow a bit, nVidia has 10 months till the end of the year. More than enough time to develop and release a post NV20 card. If they don't, someone else will. Otherwise, PC Gamers in the US (very hardcore bunch) will kill.
I don't see how a P3 733MHz with an NV20 based card will be able to match a 1-2 GHz processor with a second or third generation NV20 card in terms of FPS. I'll be happy to compare framerates with you when the time comes, provided I have one of those PCs.
"Why do you need a 2Ghz PC when you already have a X-Box? My computer is perfectly fine for the moment, and I'll only upgrade when I can't play games with this anymore. If only for Internet surfing or typing, even my computer is an overkill. Chances are, if I were to buy an X-Box, I won't buy those overpriced 2Ghz, at least before their price dropped. If I must buy a 2Ghz computer just to use a X-Box emulator, I'll rather buy the console itself, which is surely cheaper."
Lot's of reasons:
1. A P733 MHz, no matter *how* optimized, will never be as fast as a 1466+ MHz processor.
2. Console and PC Games are in most cases very different. I'd prefer it stayed that way. If I ever want to play console, I go to a friend's or get the emulator.
I still don't think a 2GHz processor will be necessary for X-Box emulation. Probably 1GHz with a GeForce 3 will be enough.
[This message has been edited by Srethron Askvelhtnod (edited March 05, 2001).]
If I had a PC that was optimized for gaming, I'm sure that I could get results not much lower than the X-box's "stats". The X-box and its routines are optimized for gaming, so yeah, there probably would be a difference, but nothing as large as you're supposing. Also, as Ficedula has been saying, we won't know the *real* stats/performance of Gamecube/X-box until they're released. Until then, the hype is all fluff--nothing more.
"I've see that you agree with my point of an X-Box game have to be massively rewritten for porting to PC. But I don't think that porting PS2/Gamecube games MUST be harder than porting X-Box games. For example the Summoner Demo for PC. Still looking very good for me here. After all, PS2 games still use large potion of C/c++ language."
Summoner was designed from the ground up for *both* the PS2 and the PC. IIRC, same deal with Oni.
"Also I don't agree with the statement that say when X-Box come out, more hardware will have 'DirectX-8 support". For the second time, I must stress that DirectX8-supporting hardware IS DIFFERENT with DirectX8-compliant hardware. If a DirectX8 driver for Voodoo5 have come out, will it automatically made Voodoo5 to have the same features as NV20? No. Radeon2 ( which should support Directx 8 ), don't have a fixed release date yet. I don't think that there will be a lot of DirectX-compliant hardware out there when the X-Box come out."
So? The X-box isn't supposed to be released until fall sometime. More than enough time for PCs. How often do new versions of DirectX come out? Pretty often. I wouldn't be surprised if DirectX 9 is being used on PCs when the X-box comes. New graphics chips come out roughly every 6 months. We're due for some new ones that are a step above anytime now. When new stuff comes out, the price of the now "obsolete" cards (i.e. Radeon) comes down to reasonable levels.
"Yes, in a few years time, PC will have better graphic effects than of X-Box. So what? In few years time, the X-Box will drop in price ( as the case with PS ) and having it is much more viable as you can play with X-Box games ASAP and don't have to wait for any porting process to happen!"
I think by fall, when 1GHz systems are approaching the mid-range standard (as in, the slowest stores will sell), someone will be hard at work on an X-box emulator as soon as it is released. I mean, what's hard to emulate? The P4 has a 400MHz BUS, compared to the X-box's 200. I'm sure the new Athlon machines will have something similar to the P4's so that they can compete effectively. Same with other features. RAM? Not a problem. Sure, it operates differently, but nothing that can't be emulated. Hard drive? 8GB is pretty small these days. etc. etc.
Ficedula: ..."except in a few years time, when the PC produces better effects than the XBox."
I'm guessing it'll actually only be 1 1/2 years or less before the PC is once again firmly in the lead. Why? Well, the Athlon 1.7GHz should be out sometime soon. From there, it's just a matter of Moore's Law.
[This message has been edited by Srethron Askvelhtnod (edited March 04, 2001).]
), but they're all relatively minor. At it's core, the X-box is a single purpose (entertainment) PC with a stripped down OS.[This message has been edited by Srethron Askvelhtnod (edited March 04, 2001).]
Sir Canealot: As in html help?
http://www.dencity.com/html/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.dencity.com/html/ helped me out when I was getting started.
[This message has been edited by Srethron Askvelhtnod (edited January 19, 2001).]
Joey: Does someone feed you this stuff all day, or do you just think it all up?
Jari Huttunen: re: the Truth in Advertising. I agree. Everyone thinks Nintendo's machine is inferior because they seem to be providing honest specs.
Ficedula: True. FF8PSX was a graphical improvement over FF7PSX, and FF9PSx was a graphical improvement over FF8PSX. And I think that all of the Tomb Raiders after the first sucked.
cHiBiMaRuKo: Thanks for saving someone else the trouble.
I hope that new technology gets here quick.
Yes, that does seem to be a serious problem for today's PCs. However, I wouldn't be surprised if in 2/3 years it becomes much more feasible.
