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With the invention of Aali's new graphic driver that adds stability and extendability to the PC versions of Final Fantasy, I've begun to see some projects that are not sitting well with me. This post is to explain a new rule and the reason behind it. Hopefully, you guys can understand where I'm coming from. If you don't understand, well, I'm sorry, but this is how it's going to be.
1) The discussion of ripping models from other games and putting them in to Final Fantasy is no longer allowed.
There are several reasons why this is. I've decided to take a few hours out of my life to explain it to you all. If this disappoints you, I hope that I can explain it for you so that you will get where I'm coming from. If this angers you, were I suggest you wipe the nerd-rage tears from you eyes and complain to someone else. I will not be tolerant to whining. There are many other forums you can go to.
Here is the reason.
There have been several projects that have been shut gown by Square in recent years. The most famous is the Chrono Resurrection (http://www.chillingeffects.org/derivative/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1416), however, what you may not know is a large portion of Chrono Compendium (http://forums.qj.net/general-gaming-discussion/150661-chrono-compendium-projects-receive-c-d-square.html) was also shut down. Not only did the shut down a patch project, but also killed the tech related forums and discussion on how to reverse engineer and Chrono game. I was a member of the reversing team for Chrono Cross, and now the talk of simple data formats are forbidden.
2) I am forbidding the discussion of ripping models from PSP games.
his includes all GMO related discussions. The reason why is this; To get the data in the first place requires a good deal of piracy. This includes modding Sony's firmware on a PSP to have access to the UMD drive, (a "reasonable form of copy protection" per the DMCA.) or downloading an ISO from a torrent. Both are illegal to do in the U.S. (Where I live).
Keep in mind I am also guilty of this and will not be doing this anymore.
3) Also, the discussion of reinsertion of custom game models/backgrounds are going to be strongly curtailed.
It will not be banned, but if your mod requires taking from other things not yours, you may be asked to cut it out. For now, I'm allowing the cosmetic upgrade of existing assets, for example, resolution, and texture updates. Also the recreation of higher resolution art/models are getting a pass.
Changes of "kernel.bin" are also exempt for now because, as a tool, it offers wonderful insight into the internal workings of the game.
Basically it's this; If you made it yourself to help improve the image of an already existing Final Fantasy asset, you get a pass, if you are rehashing work that is not yours, you will be asked to very politely adjust what you are doing.
I am not ruling on music mods for now. Square seems to give it a pass (http://ff4.ocremix.org/), so I will too.
These rules are subject to change.
Enforcement will be "soft" at first so that everyone has a chance to get used to the new rules. However, over time, expect me to become more active in the enforcement.
This thread will remained open for the discussion of the policy. This is just a rough work, but I decided to get it out as soon as possible so we could define good community standards. If you become disruptive, you will be "disemvoweled". I leave that as an exercise to the reader to understand what that means.
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So Timu Simisu's project is okay?
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So Timu Simisu's project is okay?
For now, as it is his own work, and very much a community effort, it stays.
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damn, i gotta learn to model for real now, lol.
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Sounds like a good idea actually. Makes people learn to model properly, like myself :-P
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So Timu Simisu's project is okay?
For now, as it is his own work, and very much a community effort, it stays.
Lol, thats good to hear, the community is looking forward to the release
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damn, i gotta learn to model for real now, lol.
This is the attitude I want to see :)
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Hahah.
I don't like porting from other games.. i tried it... you don't get the same satisfaction.. unless you see a model you made yourself running around..
xD
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then, the slayersnext's weapons are ok too, right??
What about the other proyects like "phoenix rejuvenation" or a hardcore mode?? is there any problem with them??
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While I very much like the idea of porting over models for use in game (it's quicker than waiting on the awesome custom models), whatever you have to do to keep these forums running is A.O.K in my book.
Also, I appreciate the lengthy explanation as to why.
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Quite stupid, for TALKING and showing SCREENS of it isn't harmful, and won't do anything to this forum and their ppl.
Releasing is something otherwhise, but for THIS we got already rules since ages.
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this is just stupid and puts a stone in the way of newcomers + modding projects.
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Quite stupid, for TALKING and showing SCREENS of it isn't harmful, and won't do anything to this forum and their ppl.
Releasing is something otherwhise, but for THIS we got already rules since ages.
So
this is just stupid and puts a stone in the way of newcomers + modding projects.
It still brings up questions of legality, since they are still breaking the EULA.
Square probably won't mind us all putting stuff into to FFVII, it's within acceptable limits, but hacking stuff out of their other games to do means passing content to people who possibly don't own the game the models were taken from.
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Quite stupid, for TALKING and showing SCREENS of it isn't harmful, and won't do anything to this forum and their ppl.
Releasing is something otherwhise, but for THIS we got already rules since ages.
So
this is just stupid and puts a stone in the way of newcomers + modding projects.
It still brings up questions of legality, since they are still breaking the EULA.
Square probably won't mind us all putting stuff into to FFVII, it's within acceptable limits, but hacking stuff out of their other games to do means passing content to people who possibly don't own the game the models were taken from.
Nop', not even for that user that question would exist.
We are a forum board, not a hacker site.
I'm not sure about Square, since they joined with enix they are kinda careful with their copyright stuff, but we had all this sh** before, it only depends on releasing it on here or not.
The Answer is "no".
Talking about it would still be "yes".
(otherwhise we would even need to delete some stickied threads and tutorials how to rip them lmao)
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This isn't a hacker site? C'mon get real. You are only here because of the hacking/programming others have done that allow the improvement of whatever Final Fantasy you like most. Not because you enjoy the polite conversation. There is almost nothing that can't be done to FF7 and soon FF8, same as the chrono compendium.
Showing only screens will bring about new posters begging to know how.
It will be OK I promise you. I had no idea how to do any of this stuff..but I learned, and as you yourself said, there is a whole stickied thread on how to do it. If you want the models that bad, get to workin'
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Why has this suddenly arrived now? This forum seems to have survived for some time without any new rule? Just saying.
Also, it is not illegal to show links of something... same way as torrent sites in many countries are protected by the fact the data is not stored in a torrent file.
If we want to outlaw 1 project for being against rules, you may as well close the forum because every mod here from my translation project to ripping any model or modifying any game is somewhat illegal under the limbo like law and that is dependant on many factors, not least which country you are in.
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This isn't a hacker site? C'mon get real. You are only here because of the hacking/programming others have done that allow the improvement of whatever Final Fantasy you like most. Not because you enjoy the polite conversation. There is almost nothing that can't be done to FF7 and soon FF8, same as the chrono compendium.
Showing only screens will bring about new posters begging to know how.
It will be OK I promise you. I had no idea how to do any of this stuff..but I learned, and as you yourself said, there is a whole stickied thread on how to do it. If you want the models that bad, get to workin'
YOU get real silly. I think you never were on a real "hacker" site.
And I'm not someone who's begging, for I'm lurking qhimm since ages. :wink:
And still ,screens+talking do NO harm, in no way, with no copyright problems.
I know what I'm talking about.
And yes,there's a whole stickied thread, but you should've read better: it needs to be taken down with the new rule.
So,
get some glasses, read exactly what i wrote, and see there is a NORMAL conversation in there.
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And i agree with seifer there.
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I am just pointing out the rather flawed thinking here and the nature of it, of course I moved my projects to my own forum and will release them in multiple places inc torrent. I have no fear of the bogey man.
But even so, I will respect the rules here but I can't say I agree with this at all. Luckily I don't rip models anyway :)
The other thing I have always found laughable is the near frenzy online of people running about telling people they can't even discuss the said item. P2P for example, is not even strictkly illegal and discussing your intentions to do something ona forum is not illegal either.
There seems to be this sword of doom mentality that we have a firing squad thought police ready at every and all forums/. I will believe it when I see it and so far I have never seen it. The real thought police seem to be the mods and some members (wasn't aimed at this forum btw, was in general) who through fear, go much further than they have to.
That is my opinion, as I said, on a forum you obey the rules, even if they are rather dubious.
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The real thought police seem to be the mods and some members who through fear, go much further than they have to.
Last time wasn't enough for you? :-D
halkun, please split if he wants another go at it.
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I thought these were the rules anyway? I was wondering why tools were being developed to rip from newer games on here. I was under the impression that these rules were already in place and it was just a lack of mod presence that allowed it to happen.
I may just be thinking this but back before I joined (say 2004 - 2005) would these discussions have been allowed at the time? I remember it being a bit more strict then.
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Quite stupid, for TALKING and showing SCREENS of it isn't harmful, and won't do anything to this forum and their ppl.
Releasing is something otherwhise, but for THIS we got already rules since ages.
So
this is just stupid and puts a stone in the way of newcomers + modding projects.
This forum was originally for tweaking the FF7PC game to get the game working. It was never a very good engine. The modding aspect came later, and as technology grew, easier. Here is something you may not get...
Modding games has always been looked at with ire to Japanese. To them it's seen as deliberately destroying their art and artistic vision. Modding is largely a western thing, and is somewhat culturally incompatible with Japanese content creators. I'm just asking you guys to respect that idea.
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Quite stupid, for TALKING and showing SCREENS of it isn't harmful, and won't do anything to this forum and their ppl.
Releasing is something otherwhise, but for THIS we got already rules since ages.
So
this is just stupid and puts a stone in the way of newcomers + modding projects.
It still brings up questions of legality, since they are still breaking the EULA.
Square probably won't mind us all putting stuff into to FFVII, it's within acceptable limits, but hacking stuff out of their other games to do means passing content to people who possibly don't own the game the models were taken from.
Actually, there isn't an EULA in the PC version of FF7. Irregardless, this does not give you free reign to stomp all over other's IP.
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This forum was originally for tweaking the FF7PC game to get the game working. It was never a very good engine. The modding aspect came later, and as technology grew, easier. Here is something you may not get...
Modding games has always been looked at with ire to Japanese. To them it's seen as deliberately destroying their art and artistic vision. Modding is largely a western thing, and is somewhat culturally incompatible with Japanese content creators. I'm just asking you guys to respect that idea.
I, for one, think that's fair enough :-)
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This forum was originally for tweaking the FF7PC game to get the game working. It was never a very good engine. The modding aspect came later, and as technology grew, easier.
The pedant in me feels the need to point out that this forum (singular) is "game tweaking". Surely that's pretty much interchangeable with modding?
Here is something you may not get...
Modding games has always been looked at with ire to Japanese. To them it's seen as deliberately destroying their art and artistic vision. Modding is largely a western thing, and is somewhat culturally incompatible with Japanese content creators. I'm just asking you guys to respect that idea.
Are you making this argument to point out that Japanese companies are more likely to send out C&Ds to game modders than Western ones are? If not then I must ask (and please don't take this the wrong way), why should we care?
By the way, it seems that your choice of things to ban is quite arbitrary. For example, you allow us to talk about fiddling the music as much as we like because "Square seems to give it a pass" (even though I'm pretty sure that remixing and then giving away music without the original composer's permission is illegal), but forbid other things that are also illegal and given a pass. Actually, your choices might not be arbitrary, but I don't think they're consistent. Pretty much everything that is done here is illegal, n'est-ce pas? Wouldn't "the recreation of higher resolution art/models" and making a "cosmetic upgrade of existing assets" count as derivative works?
I can't help but wonder whether your decisions about what to ban and what to allow are based more on your personal feelings towards certain kinds of mods than on either the law or the chances that such mods will incur the wrath of Square. There certainly seems to be a theme; mods that don't require much work (i.e. ripping models) are banned but ones that are just as illegal but require more hard work from the modder are allowed.
I do hope that this post won't be seem as disruptive and that I won't be "disemvoweled", whtvr tht wrd mns.
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Kudistos
Have to say I agree with you. I ahve been in discussion with 2 people who came to me about this new topic and whilst I told them it isn't our forum, I did mention the point that it seems to be a personal attack on certain mods rather than any legality.
let us be clear, modding the game at all , changing ANY part of the exe or changing ANY part of the program files is illegal by its very nature. (I always find topics lambasting the copy of games as illegal ironic given qhimms is not exactly a picture of legality itself)
The point is, that these things are generally overlooked for older games such as FF7 and I personally would wait until a representative from square came here and told us not to do it. This is very unliekly to happen and it is further unlikely that they would prosecute any of the moderators or admins of the forum for their members posting links.
The above rules seem to pick and choose what they will allow or disallow, this one stands out to me>
Changes of "kernel.bin" are also exempt for now because, as a tool, it offers wonderful insight into the internal workings of the game.
That seems to suggest "oh well sod it, it is a great mod so don't care"
Any case, I am just making the case that I personally don't like the new rule or where it seems to be heading, but if that is the rule it is the rule.
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isn't as illegal as
To be fair, this isn't how law works....there isn't degrees of "wrong" behaviour. Personal reasons for not liking a mod are fine and dandy, but not excuses for stopping them.
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ahh yes but using mp3 of the music or psf is also illegal, because it is a distribution without consent. In fact music illegalty has generally been pounced on much harder than anything else...
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As long as OCRemix is in existence, I think we'll be OK music-modding wise.
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The above rules seem to pick and choose what they will allow or disallow, this one stands out to me>
Changes of "kernel.bin" are also exempt for now because, as a tool, it offers wonderful insight into the internal workings of the game.
That seems to suggest "oh well sod it, it is a great mod so don't care"
Any case, I am just making the case that I personally don't like the new rule or where it seems to be heading, but if that is the rule it is the rule.
For years I have enjoyed the taking apart of things to see how they work. I am not a programmer, but a "data analyst". One of my talents is that I enjoy taking large amounts of cryptic data and making something human out of them. The deconstruction of kernel.bin and the tools to help is key to learn how the engine functions. It offers us insight into how the game was created, and maintained. It's no small accident that it's also one of the very few pieces of data that can be transplanted into a PSX disk without a need for a remaster. Programs that allow is access to kernel.bin allow us to test the limits of the AI scripting system, engine mathematics, and more "under the hood" things. This forum was designed so like-minded individuals could reach an understanding about how final fantasies were put together, and to research what makes it stand out. Programs like PrC and Wallmarket offer is the ability to see the engine turn. It's the experiments and the discovery of new functions that I find cool and amazing.
I've devoted 10 years of my life learning how this engine works, and what it so revolutionary. I don't want to see it go away because someone thought it would be cool to throw in a bunch of hacked and broken Crisis Core models into the game to "improve it" and pissing off Square in the process.
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The real thought police seem to be the mods and some members who through fear, go much further than they have to.
Last time wasn't enough for you? :-D
halkun, please split if he wants another go at it.
You are not the boss of me! (Keep in mind in another, less generous forum, this would of included me giving you a temporary vacation from the forums)
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The real thought police seem to be the mods and some members who through fear, go much further than they have to.
Last time wasn't enough for you? :-D
halkun, please split if he wants another go at it.
You are not the boss of me! (Keep in mind in another, less generous forum, this would of included me giving you a temporary vacation from the forums)
Dude,he even said "please".
I think you misunderstood him.
And btw
Japanese people DO NOT think that we are destroying their art with modding, where do you heard that from? i love the j-culture and tbh, they are better modders then we are..especially the game companies themselfs :wink:
Edit: does qhimm even know about this?
I mean seriously, he should be clever enough to know from all the years here, that this is just plain stupid right now. (don't take it personal halkun.)
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Lionfist, just learn to make something by yourself. No offense...
Read my posts on the first page, im not talking about getting stuff, i said only releasing is illegal, not the stuff we are now putting in a rule (information&talking about it etc)
Srsly, lrn 2 read. No offense...
AND
i know how 2 make my stuff, thats why i never asked for models in the threads :wink:
So, please be clever :|
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Good thing you're being stricter, way better to be safe than sorry.
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I think that talking about and showing screenshots etc on stuff you have stolen from someone else is just as much not legal as sharing it with others. (It can get the forum in trouble if Square doesn't like it.) Because if a lot of people does it because of this site, they will shut it down right. I agree with Halkun, these rules will encourage people to make all their mod content by themself instead of stealing it from someone else. And the site will not be in danger. :-)
To be honest, I think Timusimusus Barret and Millenias weapons are a lot better than some of the models from Crisis Core and Dissidia. Timus Barret is in class with the Crisis Core models, while keeping the FFVII style. And Millenias weapons are commercial quality. I want to see more custom made stuff, ripped models are boring. Make a model Lionfist. :wink: If you can't learn how to! :-)
World class reply!
I never said those aren't better, i agree that own models and textures beat others, 'cus its often a community project and made from zero.
And what you think (I don't wanna sound aggressive) is not important, 'cus information exchange, especially at in-game data, is not illegal.
For this site not to be in danger we always had that rule that we - DO NOT - release this stuff.
That's the point i mean.
Actually i think we are just moving backwards with modding if we do that.
And, what do you intend to do if i make a model? i never made ff7 models, only modified them in kimera, i prefer to work on jedi knight models.
So please, stop treating me as an idiot who's only lurking on here for models, 'cus as i said, i never asked in any thread for models. :roll:
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I'm not a mod, take it up with Halkun. lol :lol:
Lmao, i just answered on your responses, i don't want to take it up with anyone :-D
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The real thought police seem to be the mods and some members who through fear, go much further than they have to.
Last time wasn't enough for you? :-D
halkun, please split if he wants another go at it.
You are not the boss of me! (Keep in mind in another, less generous forum, this would of included me giving you a temporary vacation from the forums)
(http://borgborg.org/facepalm.jpg)
> halkun, please split if he wants another go at it.
> halkun, please
> please
But hey, if you want to go on a powertrip, please do bring it on. I'm in a foul enough mood for it.
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Anyway, this forum is still the best for mods and improving FF games :) Long may it live :-D
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I know many are upset by this rule while many others couldn't really care less about it. For those that wish to continue the discussion of those projects they have that are no longer allowed here may do so on the following forums.
http://www.youforum.cc/ffmods/index.php
I created them specifically with a disclaimer that provides you with free posting of whatever modifications you wish to do so long as you do not host any files through the forum server (which is impossible). I will be moderating it very loosely for those that wish to use it.
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sorry, I misread.
I count that as a (disguised) bait too. :-D
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I think Bandito is right..
@Senti
I don't think adversiting is allowed on here, i dunno to be honest 'cus we had that before a lot of times. I'll put that link in my favorites tho to be save, thank you.
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get over it peeps the rules have been laid. There is little point in debating it. have faith in Haikun's decision, he knows what he's doin so sit down kittys n do as your told.
On a second note... I guess i should start working on a modeling course :P
@ millenia - you should vid record your texture work :P
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isn't as illegal as
To be fair, this isn't how law works....there isn't degrees of "wrong" behaviour. Personal reasons for not liking a mod are fine and dandy, but not excuses for stopping them.
Just noticed this (didn't realize it or must have missed it earlier) but there are varying degrees of "wrong" in the laws, each holding punishments of varying severity. For example (yes it's extreme) Murder, there are three degrees to this charge (1st degree, 2nd degree, 3rd degree), then there's the lesser crime Manslaughter which also has three degrees, each time someone kills another, they get charged with one of these. The varying degrees are dependent on the circumstances of the crime, "Was it intended or an accident? Was it premeditated or spontaneous?" etc. There are similar degrees for each and every law out there each with punishments varying from the proverbial "slap on the wrist" to the death sentence.
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that is not what I meant. The punishment for those is different but they are ALL CRIMES. They don't turn a blind eye to mugging any more than they do murder.
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Bottom line here is, Square considers any tearing apart of their games illegal, whether it actually is or not. It doesn't matter if content is ported or made from scratch. The best anyone can do is not do something too blatantly terrible like porting half the game into FF7. Regardless, this rule is a forum rule and not a legal rule and must be followed (at least if you plan on staying here at Qhimm)
Does anymore need to be said, really? This topic ought to be locked.
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I originally wasn't going to post here and just read it, but after seeing "get over it learn to make models yourself" like 10 times i have to say:
Why in the hell would i want to spend months upon months just trying to LEARN HOW to mod and THEN actually learn how to make it good enough to actually put it in the game?
It would take too long for someone to even learn how to do it properly and then make a model that is good enough to put in the game compared to someone like APZ who can do it in a fraction of the time due to his time spent doing so BEFOREHAND
(BTW I'm typing in caps just to get eyes focused on them, I'm not as angry as it looks)
And talk of doing so is forbidden as well? That seems downright ludicrous, we used to be able to just tell others how we ripped the models that looked professional and used them in the game because we wanted others to enjoy them as well
and screenshots too? that is actually more ridiculous than talking about it.
To those who agree with halkun, its not that i believe you are wrong. But don't you guys think that copywright laws are going too far? its one thing to claim a work as your own, or to distribute without permission.
but it is something entirely different when even free speech seems to be taken away (with rule 1)
And just clarify this for me: did halkun get Qhimm's approval of making new rules? or does being a mod entitle you to make your own? (its a serious question, I'm not being condescending)
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Bottom line here is, Square considers any tearing apart of their games illegal, whether it actually is or not. It doesn't matter if content is ported or made from scratch. The best anyone can do is not do something too blatantly terrible like porting half the game into FF7. Regardless, this rule is a forum rule and not a legal rule and must be followed (at least if you plan on staying here at Qhimm)
Does anymore need to be said, really? This topic ought to be locked.
Exactly
I originally wasn't going to post here and just read it, but after seeing "get over it learn to make models yourself" like 10 times i have to say:
Why in the hell would i want to spend months upon months just trying to LEARN HOW to mod and THEN actually learn how to make it good enough to actually put it in the game?
It would take too long for someone to even learn how to do it properly and then make a model that is good enough to put in the game compared to someone like APZ who can do it in a fraction of the time due to his time spent doing so BEFOREHAND
(BTW I'm typing in caps just to get eyes focused on them, I'm not as angry as it looks)
And talk of doing so is forbidden as well? That seems downright ludicrous, we used to be able to just tell others how we ripped the models that looked professional and used them in the game because we wanted others to enjoy them as well
and screenshots too? that is actually more ridiculous than talking about it.
To those who agree with halkun, its not that i believe you are wrong. But don't you guys think that copywright laws are going too far? its one thing to claim a work as your own, or to distribute without permission.
but it is something entirely different when even free speech seems to be taken away (with rule 1)
And just clarify this for me: did halkun get Qhimm's approval of making new rules? or does being a mod entitle you to make your own? (its a serious question, I'm not being condescending)
Qhimm forums isn't going to take on the lawmakers about who has what rights and what can and can't be done.
This really needs to be locked now, I've read only 1 post against this new rule that sounded mature... Christ... :cry:
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The problem is not necesarily the law (it might depending on the country, I don't know), but simply Square's over protection on their IPs. I you were to actually face them on the court, I bet you'd win. But who'd like to spend his time and money (quiet a lot of both) defending something that's merely his hobby? Square lawyers know it's extremly unlikely someone would actually fight back, so they can easily crush this site and any other through simple threatening. Not that they need to spend a cent.
I certainly can see why Halkun is adding this new rule. I'm by no means happy with it, but if he thinks it's needed to protect this site, the only thing I can say about it is "Roger".
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Again, need to respect the rules of the forum, no matter if the rule was made by an admin or a moderator, so if you want to continue projects that goes against this new rule feel free to use my forums. Not to insult anyone, but unlike some I do have the testicular fortitude to stand up to companies when I know I'm in the right. No need to have a hissy fit over a forum rule when there's another forum you can use to avoid the rule. And no, I'm not trying to steal members, just giving an alternative to shutting down projects.
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Not to insult anyone, but unlike some I do have the testicular fortitude to stand up to companies when I know I'm in the right.
Does your testicular fortitude translate into money, should the need arise?
Because in the case of going to court over something, former does not mean very much without the latter.
And for what it's worth; Borde pretty much summed the issue up in his post.
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No, but it translates into being well read on the copyright laws, having two uncles that are attorneys (one a county prosecutor) and a third that's a judge, as well as knowing the human psyche well enough to inspire the right amount of fear into a person without a single word in order to make them bend to your will a bit more easily. (You can learn the first part from law books and the last part from either psychology in college or joining the US ARMY, the drill sergeants use it all the time only coupled with threatening words.) You don't need money if you know what you're doing when it comes to court and lawyers, trust me, had 15 sheriffs fired and one jailed for criminal negligence after refusing my worthless brother emergency medical treatment after a car wreck. Turned out the pain my brother was claiming in his neck that their jail house medical examiner said was whiplash was actually 3 broken vertebrae in his neck, and the only money spent was on a few phone calls and about 10 sheets of paper with stamps.
EDIT: Fixed typos.
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"Copyright" is written with an "R" not a "W".
It's a right to copy.
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Eh, don't mind the typos, in a poker tournament online for real money, have to support the PPA you know.
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copyright then.
I don't think i got an actual answer as to how qhimm feels about this new rule. not to say that he wouldn't approve, what i mean is that I'm not sure if he's seen it.
then again he doesn't post much and this is a pretty big thing here so i would believe that he has.
and by the way halkun, i do not take offense to your new rules or yourself, i just hate how much is being protected and how strictly. Copyright laws and internet security is become a big problem nowadays.
so i don't think that halkun is wrong for the new rules, my issue lies in square's obsession with people touching their merchandise.
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Guys, nobody is stopping you from porting. Nobody. You just can't talk or post about it here. I think maybe two people agree with Halkun, I don't myself (since as I've stated pretty much anything you mod can get you a C&D), but it's a forum. We've already had a couple cases of people being shelled C&Ds for porting KH material into FF7, and Halkun probably just doesn't want to deal with it.
Yes, it sucks. Sucks big time, half the forum's motivation probably just took a shit (so long FF7 remake). But the conditions of using this forum include following the rules. If you still want to port, that's cool, you just can't here. The internet is huge. Hint hint.
That is all.
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I don't think i got an actual answer as to how qhimm feels about this new rule. not to say that he wouldn't approve, what i mean is that I'm not sure if he's seen it.
This.
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It's true that nobody's stopping us from modding/porting via this rule...It's just that whenever one thinks of an FF7 Remake, the first hope is Square Enix, the second is Qhimm. This place has become like the cornerstone for FF7 modifications and enhancements.
I mean seriously. Play the original game, then play it with all the current mods (available on these forums). The Qhimm community has made the game mindblowingly more enjoyable, playable, understandable, and has helped to keep it's popularity alive! I honestly wouldn't still be playing FF7 if it weren't for these forums.
I hope this doesn't discourage future successful modders like slayersnext, timu, apz, and millennia (to name a few).
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I don't think i got an actual answer as to how qhimm feels about this new rule. not to say that he wouldn't approve, what i mean is that I'm not sure if he's seen it.
This.
He knows
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I don't think i got an actual answer as to how qhimm feels about this new rule. not to say that he wouldn't approve, what i mean is that I'm not sure if he's seen it.
This.
He knows
That's all i wanted to know. *bows down* :wink:
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Again, need to respect the rules of the forum, no matter if the rule was made by an admin or a moderator, so if you want to continue projects that goes against this new rule feel free to use my forums. Not to insult anyone, but unlike some I do have the testicular fortitude to stand up to companies when I know I'm in the right. No need to have a hissy fit over a forum rule when there's another forum you can use to avoid the rule. And no, I'm not trying to steal members, just giving an alternative to shutting down projects.
It is sad it has to come to that but so be it....Rinoa seems to have made a forum too....so this is sorted. The mods made his decision and thats usually the end of it sadly.
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(talking to seifer, lionfist, and ammno bandito)...
WTF?
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of course the old men didnt have to spend months working on their toys, a few days, maybe a week, but never MONTHS
and that is IF you know what you're doing.
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(talking to seifer, lionfist, and ammno bandito)...
WTF?
I really, really,never wanted to say this on the internet, but..
Hermoor, please grow up a little.
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i for 1 do not agree with this rule, nor with square being stingy for upgrading their games and whatnot, but there's nuttin that could be done about it. for the most part, i certainly cant do anything about it thats for sure, but i guess if it comes down to this, then oh well. i enjoyed upgrading my ff7 (and recently upgrading ff8 as well) (and i own both copies, not torrents) while i had the chance and i thank each and every 1 of u for making all these patches/mods/tweaks/etc and showing us that any1 could do it, just takes time and effort just like these hard workers that posted screenshots of their progress and for us to be like "oooo" and "aaaa" and "wow!" cuz thats mostly wut i did, observe and thank, implement and feedback, thats wut its all about in forums such as these but its a shame tho that this has to end in these forums, but a rule is a rule and its worse to fight it cuz it'll only piss more ppl off and attract more atttention... sorry guys, we tried, eventually each and every 1 of us knew this was going to happen.
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Lol are you guys like emotional now? Drama speech? Sorry for finding this entertaining... :lol: And Amno bandito, I have noticed your avatar changes every 5 minute or so. How come?
No. I'm wondering how much your reading comprehension is lacking, if you truly addressed your post at me.
It changes every time you reload it. Because it can.
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Yeah but you were against it
WTF?
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Lol ammo bandito, your avatar that i saw at the timei read that last post could not be more perfect.
but more to the point i dont think i read anything that would make el ammo bandito against this new set of rules, let alone anything else you accused him of.
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I'm detecting a high degree of drama in this thread. Can you guys cut it out please? If not I'll lock this and consider the discussion over.
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Yeah but you were against it, anyway how do you make your avatar change every 5 min? .gif??
seems to be a jpg...from some site. Probably references something which changes the picture somehow. havent seen something like it before. Nice, but crap pictures of cats sadly. Don't like cats xD
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seems to be a jpg...from some site. Probably references something which changes the picture somehow. havent seen something like it before. Nice, but crap pictures of cats sadly. Don't like cats xD
i'd like to do that, but with the avatars of all the ff7 characters :)
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@drfeelgud88: Good idea!
And yes, there is too much drama in this thread.
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I'm detecting a high degree of drama in this thread. Can you guys cut it out please? If not I'll lock this and consider the discussion over.
There's no drama, only one guy flamebaiting others.
I thought you're the mod who needs to keep this clean? :wink:
Anyway,
rule is rule....
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... :roll:
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I'm detecting a high degree of drama in this thread. Can you guys cut it out please? If not I'll lock this and consider the discussion over.
I think I have to put my weight being Halkun on this one.
Cross platform hacking and importing with other games is running the risk of closing these forums down.
I wouldn't like to see such a active and vibrant community shutdown after more than a decade dedicated to the cause that is FF7/8.
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Yeah but you were against it, anyway how do you make your avatar change every 5 min? .gif??
I suggest you do a google search for "rotating avatar"; it seems that it's not too hard to do. (making a rotating avatar, that is)
I'm detecting a high degree of drama in this thread. Can you guys cut it out please? If not I'll lock this and consider the discussion over.
I think that I might get the same response that you gave to El Ammo earlier, but...
The incident a couple of months ago that caused so much controversy could have been dealt with very easily and with no-one leaving or getting banned if a mod had stepped in before things got too ugly.
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I'm rather surprised that the rule had to be against even discussing how to rip and port models, rather than simply a rule against posting the ported model files. Not that I particularly care, since the only model-replacing mods I've ever used were the PRP and the mod to use characters' battle models in the field. Nonetheless, while I think the new rule may be a little harsher than necessary, I'm perfectly happy to stand by it. Better safe than sorry when dealing with SE lawyers.
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Better safe than sorry when dealing with lawyers.
Corrected it a bit for ye :P
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I'm with halkun on this
If anythink i have or helped do need to be changed just say and it will be done!
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I'm going to show you two reasons why ripping models from CC is a bad idea.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z190/kouji800/infantry.jpg)(http://photos1.hi5.com/0097/704/588/FeLHqG704588-02.jpg)
As you can tell the models not only are not made for ff7, they are ugly when they are placed on armatures that are not theirs. This does not make the game look "pretty" at all and in fact makes it even more hideous.
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I'm going to show you two reasons why ripping models from CC is a bad idea.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z190/kouji800/infantry.jpg)(http://photos1.hi5.com/0097/704/588/FeLHqG704588-02.jpg)
As you can tell the models not only are not made for ff7, they are ugly when they are placed on armatures that are not theirs. This does not make the game look "pretty" at all and in fact makes it even more hideous.
You can't force others to think the same as you =/
There are people that prefer chibis, people who prefer tall chars.
Everyone's different.
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+ there are ways to fill holes and fix animations :wink:
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That's a good idea. Discussion over.