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Title: WIP Tifa
Post by: GodGundam on 2011-09-23 08:46:27
As APZ hinted at in another thread, someone was working on a Tifa model replacement. That person was me and I am posting this WIP to prove that it is being done. I am new to these forums, though some of you may know my work from other things, such as that I am the lead Modeler of the half-life mod Earth's Special Forces (http://www.esforces.com/ (http://www.esforces.com/)) and have worked on various other mods. Anyways, that is enough about my background, onto the model.

(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/226/tifabodywip.jpg)

She's about 90% done Mesh wise, around 3200 Tris more or less. Need to finish attaching her hair to her head on the bangs side, model her earrings, her arm pad, and possibly detail the shoes more. I'm still unsure of the poly count that I can get away with for these model replacements. APZ said about 3000 or so, but I'm convinced it can go higher from that Cloud model Millenia and Timu did, so if I could get a confirmation there that would be nice. I also plan on making her weapons as well, since I noticed it was just modified versions of her hand anyway, shouldnt be too hard to replicate.

I tried to combine styles of the Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts Tifa Designs while throwing in some of the flare of the original (hence large Breasts), she is a tricky one though. Also, as I have not modded FF7 before myself, I am concerned about her animating appropriately in-game. Mainly about if I should more or less edit her to be proportionally equal to the Original model or not, though I am not a fan of those proportions. So my question is, is it possible to edit the skeleton positions for her and keep her animations, WHILE looking decent, or should I just save myself a headache and go the original proportion route.

Any decent answer from people who have put new models in-game would be appreciated. I'd like to get this right the first time around ^_^
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2011-09-23 10:38:44
Wouldn't be Tifa if she didn't have those tig old bitties.

Welcome to the boards, looking forward to the finished product.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Nightmarish on 2011-09-23 10:55:11
Wouldn't be Tifa if she didn't have those tig old bitties.

Not big enough atm  :-P

(http://wildgames.es/wp-content/uploads/ff7-tifa.jpg)

Welcome GodGundam, it's always nice to have experienced people around. Saves time to reach a perfectly updated game.
Can't help you with your issues tho, AFAIK you can edit the skeleton from the models but it's somewhat a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-09-23 11:08:29
Welcome! Would you be interested in joining forces with Team Avalanche?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Vgr on 2011-09-23 11:35:11
Any decent answer from people who have put new models in-game would be appreciated. I'd like to get this right the first time around ^_^

I am interested in importing your model :) You can send me a model file of the finished product and I'll be glad to import it :)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: pacito-ex on 2011-09-23 12:35:50
Definitely, she definitely has tigger bitties in proportion to that fmv pic... just sayin lol
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Giullio on 2011-09-23 15:04:43
Tears of joy droped from my eyes =,)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: obesebear on 2011-09-23 18:11:20
As someone who has imported dozens and dozens of models, I can tell you that it is ok if the model isn't the same size as the original.  Bone lengths can indeed be adjusted as can animations.  So feel free to model her as you see best.  However, it will definitely benefit you to look at how the original Tifa model is put together and at least attempt to emulate it.


Basically, the closer it is to the original, the easier it will be for me, or whoever, to get the animations looking as good as possible.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2011-09-23 18:19:44
Can't wait to see what this looks ingame
A good Tifa model was long overdone
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: PitBrat on 2011-09-23 20:10:49
Don't forget the red dolphin tail!
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: GodGundam on 2011-09-23 20:58:03
Thank you for all the positive posts so far, glad to see your all quite excited for this.

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Not big enough atm

Well obviously the original are still quite a bit larger, however I didn't want to go overboard with the size on mine and make them look rediculous. I still may increase the size slightly though.

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Welcome! Would you be interested in joining forces with Team Avalanche?

Not at this time is probably all I'll say here, when she is released you guys can add her to your official release if you want but I really don't know if I'll make another model for FF7 after this. I have other obligations to do work for still that need attention, this was more or less just something to deviate from the normal for me. To give me a change of pace so to speak. I do Appreciate the offer however.

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I am interested in importing your model :) You can send me a model file of the finished product and I'll be glad to import it :)

I'd like to try my hand at this first if you don't mind, I enjoy new experiences and this should prove to be entertaining. I will ask if I have questions however. =)

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As someone who has imported dozens and dozens of models, I can tell you that it is ok if the model isn't the same size as the original.  Bone lengths can indeed be adjusted as can animations.  So feel free to model her as you see best.  However, it will definitely benefit you to look at how the original Tifa model is put together and at least attempt to emulate it.

Ahh, this is one of the answers I was looking for. That puts my mind at rest for the most part then on this. I thank you sir for the clear answer.

 As for how they are put together, I have looked over the original model files and have seen how they are put together. I do plan to cut her up and rebuild her that way, just want to finish the base model first. I haven't decided if I'll have her textured first and then cut it or cut it then texture, but the end result should be the same either way more or less.



Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: obesebear on 2011-09-24 05:06:04
As for how they are put together, I have looked over the original model files and have seen how they are put together. I do plan to cut her up and rebuild her that way, just want to finish the base model first. I haven't decided if I'll have her textured first and then cut it or cut it then texture, but the end result should be the same either way more or less.
APZ can definitely help you on that. His first Cloud animated as though it and the texture were made for the game.  For details on the best way to texture, I'd say he's the man to talk to.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: kicker on 2011-09-24 05:42:35
all this years i thought tifa wore tight shorts :o turns out it's a mini skirt :P Glad you are working on this model. It's a relief to know that characters are slowly being finished. Also, i have followed your work esforces and i can't wait for trunks to be animated!
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: dustybomb on 2011-09-24 06:15:42
(Finally out of lurking these forums 8))

That's a nice Tifa you got there GodGundam, I can't see anything wrong with it. About her breasts however, I think you have them fine. (That FMV makes them look exaggerated anyway. Yes I know Tifa has big breasts, but the concept art doesn't make them look THAT big :P)

all this years i thought tifa wore tight shorts :o turns out it's a mini skirt :P Glad you are working on this model. It's a relief to know that characters are slowly being finished. Also, i have followed your work esforces and i can't wait for trunks to be animated!

Really? How did you think that? (Then again, I thought that as well when I first played ff7. It wasn't till I saw the original artwork that I thought otherwise.)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2011-09-24 18:42:33
As i have both imported and made and textured models, id suggest texturing after the split. Youll get extra polies from the caps of each object and its eaiser to texture those nicely after theyre modeled!
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Opine on 2011-09-24 21:51:14
Yay! I'm so happy to hear of a Tifa being worked on.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: apz freak on 2011-09-25 00:31:22
As i have both imported and made and textured models, id suggest texturing after the split. Youll get extra polies from the caps of each object and its eaiser to texture those nicely after theyre modeled!

Yes, that is true, however that isn't what I did  ;) For example for the leg I'd have the same 4 edge loops in both the shin model and the thigh. That way, I could have the unbroken model not look wierd.


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As someone who has imported dozens and dozens of models, I can tell you that it is ok if the model isn't the same size as the original.  Bone lengths can indeed be adjusted as can animations.  So feel free to model her as you see best.  However, it will definitely benefit you to look at how the original Tifa model is put together and at least attempt to emulate it.


Ahh, this is one of the answers I was looking for. That puts my mind at rest for the most part then on this. I thank you sir for the clear answer.

I tried to say that in the pm I sent you but I guess I complicated it with difficult language  ;) Sorry about that!



BUT I must say that I'm glad you've decided to join forces with us. And I'm excited to see the end result! I like where this is going so far!
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: GodGundam on 2011-09-25 02:22:06
Small Update shot
(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8715/tifabodywip2.jpg)

Mostly Minor edits/fixes, Finished the hair mesh, added the arm pad, detailed shoes some more-ish, added earrings, minor proportional tweaks, etc... I actually modeled the shoe laces, though I may go back and just make those an alpha map later. Who knows really. I still need to add Suspenders and finalize the skirt, but that is about all that's left on the mesh. Now that I look at it, her hands may need to be scaled up some too, kinda smallish. I may go back and teak the shoe plate again too, not happy with it still.

*edit: just noticed the side view is missing her shoe plate, forgot to copy it when I did the render XD.

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As i have both imported and made and textured models, id suggest texturing after the split. Youll get extra polies from the caps of each object and its eaiser to texture those nicely after theyre modeled!

That is one way to go about it, though i could just leave it whole and do that afterward, Extrude the polies from the already skinned mesh (skin stretches over the extruded faces) and have it blend with each other that way as well. less of a headache to map out and texture the round limbs that way. Idk yet though, waiting to be 100% done with the mesh first before I decide.

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        As someone who has imported dozens and dozens of models, I can tell you that it is ok if the model isn't the same size as the original.  Bone lengths can indeed be adjusted as can animations.  So feel free to model her as you see best.  However, it will definitely benefit you to look at how the original Tifa model is put together and at least attempt to emulate it.



    Ahh, this is one of the answers I was looking for. That puts my mind at rest for the most part then on this. I thank you sir for the clear answer.


I tried to say that in the pm I sent you but I guess I complicated it with difficult language  ;) Sorry about that!

I checked my pm's after you posted this again. You said it clear enough, I just forgot more or less and forgot I had the pm still, sorry =p

Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: ZL325 on 2011-09-25 03:17:23
GodGundam, you're creating a magnificent work of art! Kudos to you. :)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2011-09-25 14:34:31
Are those colored polies? of finished texture, Cause they look like polies, But maybe thats what you're going for.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: JordieBo on 2011-09-25 20:14:31
Just thought I should point out Tifa's hair is a little off.  The bottom of her hair is supposed to be dolphin tail shaped, I think that's where her Dolphin Kick limit break comes from:

(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/np2/char1/tifa-best.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: GodGundam on 2011-09-25 21:22:59
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Are those colored polies? of finished texture, Cause they look like polies, But maybe thats what you're going for.

Yes those are colored polygons atm, I do that to give you a general idea of what its suppose to look like and no I am not going for that for the final product. It will have an actual texture.

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Just thought I should point out Tifa's hair is a little off.  The bottom of her hair is supposed to be dolphin tail shaped, I think that's where her Dolphin Kick limit break comes from:

I understand she has a lil dolphin tail thing goin on. My model does have it split at the end, I just didnt want it to be that extreme
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2011-09-25 22:45:04
it's not so much the extreme-angle of the split but rather you set the hairtie too low. the hair thats being split is too short on the model.

well, that is, compared to the artwork.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: BloodShot on 2011-09-27 14:15:03
Finally someone is tackling Tifa, It's about time we had a good custom model for her. You seem pretty damn good at modeling, so i got a feeling this one is gonna be great too, since you're already off to a nice start. Good luck :)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: PitBrat on 2011-09-27 14:25:21
If her hemline were any higher we'd see her vagazzling!
Great work. Can't wait to see her kicking the $#!+ out of baddies.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2011-09-27 14:35:34
Suspenders! i'm been thinking the model is missing something but couldn't think of it, and it was suspenders! haha oh, and a belt. Otherwise. model looks good to me :D
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: BloodShot on 2011-09-27 23:56:20
lmao when you said that first i thought you were using that to describe how good the model was, like "Holy suspenders, Batman!"
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: msifreakster on 2011-09-28 18:18:51
lmao when you said that first i thought you were using that to describe how good the model was, like "Holy suspenders, Batman!"

This has to be one of the best posts I have seen on here. lmao ;D
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: ff7maniac on 2011-10-17 06:20:27
yeah tifa :)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Chaospaladinfayt on 2012-02-06 03:34:51
So....What happened to this?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: ajthedj747 on 2012-02-19 00:27:25
I agree with @Chaospaladinfayt, there has been no updates on the "WIP Tifa" model.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-02-19 13:48:44
I thought the field Tifa model with the red skirt was just for some part of the game and I installed it. Now I'm looking for the original but not that blocky one or the updated. I wish there was a high res model of the original Tifa with updated graphics like this one! Well I found the AC model but with the skirt which does not match with the game timeline exactly...
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: ajthedj747 on 2012-03-11 23:12:27
I thought the field Tifa model with the red skirt was just for some part of the game and I installed it. Now I'm looking for the original but not that blocky one or the updated. I wish there was a high res model of the original Tifa with updated graphics like this one! Well I found the AC model but with the skirt which does not match with the game timeline exactly...

Really? Could you share the link, if you would please @Leonhart7413?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Mewsin (aka Zendar) on 2012-03-14 19:19:52
Really? Could you share the link, if you would please @Leonhart7413?
if my guess on that tifa model is right he is not allowed to share the link
as the moddels used for the AC mod have been ripped from another game
and will not get support due to its illegal nature.

know what youre doing modding this game?
g :-X :-X gle can still be your friend.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-03-14 23:43:57
if my guess on that tifa model is right he is not allowed to share the link
as the moddels used for the AC mod have been ripped from another game
and will not get support due to its illegal nature.

know what youre doing modding this game?
g :-X :-X gle can still be your friend.

I'm not sharing any illegal models in the public forum. The ones I found are for public use via google search or videos on youtube. Just for clarifying... ;) ;) and lots of people know which video is this that you can find link to AC models pack... nothing more nothing less... :P
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: ff7maniac on 2012-03-15 04:11:36
maybe this link^^  - LINK REMOVED -

No, we won't be linking to sites with illegal downloads. ~Covarr
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-03-15 14:45:57
maybe this link^^  - LINK REMOVED -

No, we won't be linking to sites with illegal downloads. ~Covarr

lol What were you thinking..
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Fischkopf on 2012-03-16 20:21:54
I wonder, if you can you make her boobs bounce in battle? :-o
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2012-03-16 20:41:26
get in touch with team ninja
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2012-03-16 21:46:44
Nah, Team Ninja don't roll that way any more since the main dude left, the girls actually look somewhat human in DoA5 now too.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: archerxtreme on 2012-05-05 18:31:31
question: Does the model have eyes?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Setosith on 2012-06-04 22:00:35
Hi I hope you all won't be too displeased with me posting in the wrong thread but I saw another Tifa mod here on qhimm somewhere...and now I can't seem to locate it. I was origionally going to post in that thread...I downloaded it..and set up the battle.lgp and all that....but shes just a shadowy figure in game....I was wondering if this was my doing or if its really just a shadowy Tifa? A picture came with the download...and it looked fine in the picture so I don't think its suppose to be dark.  If someone could tell me either what I did wrong or where the hell the other thread is XD...me and my foolishness would be most appreciative.

 This Tifa looks great though I'll probably end up snaggin it when youre done :P. Mad skills....Again sorry for posting in the wrong place...
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: archerxtreme on 2012-06-05 16:57:16
If it's only a shadowy figure it might be because of some corrupted p files...
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Yupo on 2012-06-05 18:05:21
Sure good work with the tifa model, looking forward to try it. Keep it up  :D
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2012-06-06 21:32:22
This project is dead it seems, the guy hasn't been here in months.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: DLPB_ on 2012-06-06 22:53:17
Never mind Tifa and Barrett... we need to fix the NPC's and ones that haven't even been done.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: dkma841 on 2012-06-06 23:05:55
There's a decent Tifa and Yuffie model available at Grimmy's moddb blog
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: archerxtreme on 2012-06-08 16:42:39
There's a decent Tifa and Yuffie model available at Grimmy's moddb blog

Where's that? can't find it on qhimm.....
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: dkma841 on 2012-06-08 19:15:38
Here's the link to the page:
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=12841.0
scroll below you'll find his moddb blog website, the models are great he plans on making more and so on
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Fischkopf on 2012-06-18 17:56:02
I agree with @Chaospaladinfayt, there has been no updates on the "WIP Tifa" model.

Then why doesn't the creator share his work, so someone else can finish it? The model was perfect it just needed a nice texture. And now we need to wait until someone else is willing to make a model. sh*t like that just makes me mad...
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: apz freak on 2012-06-19 18:04:58
You know what? I'll email this guy and see if he can send it my way. Modeling takes the most time with me, I'm  fast at the texture painting. (If I get around it to  :P)

but I'll e-mail him just in case. We had a bit of a back and forth before he started this and I provided him with some good reference
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: archerxtreme on 2012-06-23 16:03:22
You know what? I'll email this guy and see if he can send it my way. Modeling takes the most time with me, I'm  fast at the texture painting. (If I get around it to  :P)

but I'll e-mail him just in case. We had a bit of a back and forth before he started this and I provided him with some good reference

I'd love it if you can make a tifa. I'm trying to de-advent children my game right now so i'm replacing all the models with qhimm originals....and my own partials....i once tried to make a tifa using parts from qhimm mods but somehow i ended up with Jenova's sister most of the time....I've got one for battle now i'm just waiting for one for field and world map
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-07-02 13:44:22
Yea i just done me a quick Tifa non AC now just Cid and Yuffie to do.  ;D

(Pictures edited because I'm enjoy passing off other people's work as my own)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: ajthedj747 on 2012-07-02 18:09:17
Yea i just done me a quick Tifa non AC now just Cid and Yuffie to do.  ;D
Did you create this model, or did you rip it from Dissidia Final Fantasy?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-07-03 03:33:21
used as reference but modeled from scratch
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Slade on 2012-07-03 05:45:34
Any chance you'll be doing Vincent? I'm not a huge fan of the one that's out right now.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-07-03 13:51:19
Really i'm using that one it's not that bad lol. i'll be doing a battle model of
Tifa first then most likely Yuffie next.

Doin the Chocobos would be kinda fun too and i dont anyones done one yet and also would like to model the summons but would need someone to do the texturing as i wont have the time for all of it
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: archerxtreme on 2012-07-03 16:29:39
@Recko
Pretty impressive if you did it from scratch using references..
You gonna get it working for the field and world map too right?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-07-03 20:37:58
That is the field model still a few glitches to work out though but thanks all the same. I'm new at modeling with restrictions like this lol
been modeling for fps games - characters and weapons for the last 4 years now and my group BloodWorK is still working on our mod for the css engine so these models will take me awhile to get done
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: KaidenJames on 2012-07-04 02:49:08
She looks fantastic! Great job. Can't wait till she's ready!
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Fischkopf on 2012-07-04 14:59:01
Yea i just done me a quick Tifa non AC now just Cid and Yuffie to do.  ;D

(Look as I try and pass off work that I didn't actually do!)

Is it just me or does her face look kind of masculine? The rest of the model is ok, only the face disturbs me. It probably has something to do with the eyes.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: archerxtreme on 2012-07-04 17:28:20
@Recko
It will probably mean more days of delay, but you think you can unhide Tifa's right eye? somehow it doens't seem right. Tifa is a little shy but i don think she would herself like that or try to appear ultra tough like that.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Nightmarish on 2012-07-04 20:46:54
I'd say she doesn't have enough boobs but i guess it's ok  ;D
I'll be waiting from TA Tifa tho, in the preview she looked awesum.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2012-07-06 00:29:11
Could you post the texture sheet? It looks awfully like Dissidia 012 tifa
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-07-06 04:08:47
Already said its based on Dissidia modeled from scratch though i dont own that game or even know how to rip models from games lol.

None of my models are going to be released though there just a personnel hobby ive taken up as side work from my main modeling with BloodWorK
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: KaidenJames on 2012-07-06 05:46:59
Already said its based on Dissidia modeled from scratch though i dont own that game or even know how to rip models from games lol.

None of my models are going to be released though there just a personnel hobby ive taken up as side work from my main modeling with BloodWorK

Well that sucks. You are a very talented modeler, and I would love to see your Tifa in the game. Hopefully at some point we can convince you to release her  ::)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: dkma841 on 2012-07-06 10:58:23
Already said its based on Dissidia modeled from scratch though i dont own that game or even know how to rip models from games lol.

None of my models are going to be released though there just a personnel hobby ive taken up as side work from my main modeling with BloodWorK
..gosh you could've at least said that from the start
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Fischkopf on 2012-07-06 14:05:53
Already said its based on Dissidia modeled from scratch though i dont own that game or even know how to rip models from games lol.

None of my models are going to be released though there just a personnel hobby ive taken up as side work from my main modeling with BloodWorK

Then why did you show it off here in the first place? That's kind of cheap of you.  On this place usually if you present a model (that is legal of course) it gets shared, you know. You remember me of this guy on Youtube, who shows off all his great enemy battle models but refuses to release them.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: dkma841 on 2012-07-06 14:52:27
Then why did you show it off here in the first place? That's kind of cheap of you.  On this place usually if you present a model (that is legal of course) it gets shared, you know. You remember me of this guy on Youtube, who shows off all his great enemy battle models but refuses to release them.
I know how you feel...even though many modders here share their mods here (that are custom) so if he claims it's a custom model then why not share aswell while you happily take other people work on their mods, meh forget it
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: obesebear on 2012-07-06 15:01:23
Then why did you show it off here in the first place? That's kind of cheap of you.  On this place usually if you present a model (that is legal of course) it gets shared, you know. You remember me of this guy on Youtube, who shows off all his great enemy battle models but refuses to release them.
Those don't get shared because they are ripped from other games.  Spreading the contents of games others haven't bought is shady at best.  If you want them so badly, PM me and i will happily help you find out how to put your own models into the game.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-07-06 23:12:57
Well its not ripped. (My job is 3D modeling and animation, i can model pretty much anything from reference pictures) tell ya what guys i'm doin the battle model atm so when i've finished it and the world model i'll post them on the BloodWorK Moddb account.

p.s i removed the hair infront of her right eye.

(Check this out, this picture was an attempt to show my "modeling" skills by moving a few vertexes around. I'm so good at modeling!)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-07-07 00:03:52
...i'll post them on the BloodWorK Moddb account.

Please can you share the link?Thank you... I think this is a very nice model of Tifa! It would be nice if you make a field model too!
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: BloodShot on 2012-07-08 21:05:13
That's not a texture sheet
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: halkun on 2012-07-08 23:33:17
Recko, I'm almost 98% sure that this a Dissidia model and you are doing some vertex fiddleing...

You have a week to post the UV map, wireframe screenshot, and vertex count or I'm editing your posts. Stealing models from other games is a real pet-peve of mine...
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: PitBrat on 2012-07-09 00:06:10
Did anyone find the BloodWorK Moddb page?
Could you please link to it?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2012-07-09 05:13:45
Only his profile, and it has zero info on anything let alone Bloodwork.

I'm looking at the actual Dissidia model, I'd say Halkun has it spot on, it's just the original model with a few tweaks, in fact, the first pic looks unchanged, only the 2nd and 3rd pic have altered geometry or textures.

(http://zerox.wikispaces.com/file/view/TifaDuodecimByZerox.png)

Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: halkun on 2012-07-09 07:02:24
good enough for me...
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-07-09 12:37:18
Not sure but I think the first picture was used as a reference, the model displayed was quite different from the picture shown above... just my opinion... I can't find BloodWork's moddb page... anyone that came up with a link?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-07-09 23:39:17
yea it was referenced off that first pic i had shown. Like i said i don't own that game and i don't actually know how to rip models either,
This is my actual job in real life to model from photographs as well as doing animation and texturing is piss easy as iv'e been doing art since i was 6 years old.

Sorry guys i'm not aloud to post on the BwK Moddb account (unless it's to do with our other game) other guys wont let me so they locked it from public viewing.

I really don't care if  i don't post any links to this model if it suits admins more or wateva nor will i post any more updates on it.

Sorry guys but i don't have the time to really mess around trying to prove i didn't actually rip the model from that game so i'll just leave it at that.

Update: After investigation and advise from a Lawyer please read-
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=12455.25
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2012-07-10 01:51:08
I have 'top' lawyers at my fingertips too
they're called James McSmartypants and Jessica Buttapull
coming up with excuses and then going the 'hurrr I don't have time to prove anything' is practically proof the accusations are spot on
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: obesebear on 2012-07-10 02:08:08
I'm still taking the position that if you buy a game, you own it and are able to do as you wish.   If you own dissidia and FF7PC, then you can put dissidia characters into FF7PC and vice versa if you have the tools/know how.   If you want to show off what you've done because you're proud of it, do so.  If you want to make your own models or textures to put in a game you own, also ok.  If you want to make a tutorial so other people may follow suit, it's still ok.



It's when you DISTRIBUTE that material to people who have not paid for said game that it becomes a legal issue.   I realize it's kind of dull around here, but we really need to get away from all the unnecessary overreaction to double posts and bickering and pictures of dissidia models.  The heavy handedness tends to drive people away from qhimm.com
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Lionsmane on 2012-07-10 02:15:41
but we really need to get away from all the unnecessary overreaction to double posts and bickering and pictures of dissidia models.  The heavy handedness tends to drive people away from qhimm.com

true.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Fischkopf on 2012-07-10 10:02:59
Well its not ripped. (My job is 3D modeling and animation, i can model pretty much anything from reference pictures) tell ya what guys i'm doin the battle model atm so when i've finished it and the world model i'll post them on the BloodWorK Moddb account.

p.s i removed the hair infront of her right eye.

(Check this out, this picture was an attempt to show my "modeling" skills by moving a few vertexes around. I'm so good at modeling!)

Thanks for reconsidering your attitude, we appreciate it. :)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-07-11 03:14:47
I hear what ya mean but its not just SquareEnix that owns the rights to the characters of FF7 its also copyrighted to the actual modeller of the characters if you need proof search for copyright laws its the same process as a brand name, logo or even a style of font.

When i was doing Graphic Design
I designed a font for a company and they used it, that font becomes there's but any modifications to it have to have my approval first.

I even have the contract that says it.

That's the way copyright laws are done you would know if you had any qualifications at selling work to company's or working for one
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Covarr on 2012-07-11 05:17:29
words
Everything you said depends entirely on what contract you sign. Many game art contracts give full rights over to the software company by default.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: apz freak on 2012-07-11 10:15:44
My work for Sony Online Entertainment for DC Universe Online doesn't belong to me  :|
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: youknowiknow778 on 2012-07-23 15:11:02
My work for Sony Online Entertainment for DC Universe Online doesn't belong to me  :|

I just started to play that game! Awesome you did work on it!


On topic this model looks awesome! Much better than the other model floating around that has been ripped from another game. And speaking of which since I own both Jedi academy and FF7 pc its legal for me to use?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: archerxtreme on 2012-07-23 15:27:10
My work for Sony Online Entertainment for DC Universe Online doesn't belong to me  :|
Well, in my management classes we did learn that when you work for a company and the company decides to use your innovations, it is no longer "your innovation" but a property of the company..
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: apz freak on 2012-10-09 08:06:44
I pm'd this dude. If he replies... I'll texture this model
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-10-09 15:47:58
Thank you APZ!!!
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-10-15 19:27:48
New Tifa Project i Started long ways to go still but trying to keep it like the original.

Still have to texture the clothes and do a few bits and pieces here and there:

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag100/recko2010/Progress_zps55cb1ed0.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2012-10-15 19:34:09
Character Generator?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-10-15 19:42:37
I want to sleep with this Tifa! Oh God! I'm gonna think of her all night... :P :P  :-*
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-10-15 19:45:21
Can u get a character generator for 3ds max 2012?

nah it was a model i had done years ago for a 60sec animation project at tech, i've just striped it down retextured the skin, hair, eyes to match original colour (red with hint of brown) and started modeling the clothes now
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: JLOUTLAW on 2012-10-15 19:53:17
The body looks really good. However I don't know what it is but the shape of her face kinda makes her look Asian.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-10-15 19:56:52
yea its the eyes i've been thinking about widening them anyway just not quite as much as the ref pic lol

This is what i've been doing for the last 5 years until now:

Early Model
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag100/recko2010/deagle_zpsca01af6c.jpg)

Update:
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag100/recko2010/ScreenHunter_02Oct161141_zps86152b01.jpg)

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag100/recko2010/ScreenHunter_01Oct161140_zps6f07daa1.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: EQ2Alyza on 2012-10-16 00:22:12
She needs bigger.....eyes  ;)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: KaidenJames on 2012-10-16 02:10:53
She needs bigger.....eyes  ;)

^ Hahaha! Looking good Recko, keep it up!
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: JLOUTLAW on 2012-10-16 03:31:18
Lol nice tits. Fitting of Tifa.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Nightmarish on 2012-10-16 12:39:18
Body is spot on. Eyes should be more cartoonish/anime, big and colorful.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: whitERaven on 2012-10-16 12:45:30
So far this is the tifa closest to the original.. really nice, hope you finish and release this one.. I'd like to play with tifa's body..err model..LoL
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2012-10-16 12:47:14
You want to... handle the .... textures
don't you.
I agree on the bigger eyes ( no, that was not an euphemisn )

edit: shot.. face
you.. PERVERT
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: whitERaven on 2012-10-16 13:15:54
LoL, true.. I'd like a shot at her textures.. even if just the face alone..
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: dkma841 on 2012-10-16 19:32:19
Highly doubt this person would return or atleast release the model sadly...:/..maybe just to show off his modelling skills and advertise his site so people will know he's a good modellor so therefore will go to his site? :o mehh dunno just a dumb theory :S
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: JLOUTLAW on 2012-10-16 23:31:26
LoL, true.. I'd like a shot at her textures.. even if just the face alone..

Lol nah I'd aim for the chest....texture. Speakin of her massive size, how the heck can a small girl like her have them big tits and not have them smacking her in the face when she does her limit moves?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: whitERaven on 2012-10-17 00:08:09

edit: shot.. face
you.. PERVERT

LoL.. Jokes aside, I am serious when I said I like to try painting the textures for her face, cause for now it's the only part that is a bit off..
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-10-17 04:09:23
LOL crack up i am doing it still i'm just doing like 10 other models atm for someone else (guns) at the same time so might take me a little while to finish.

(I don't have to texture the guns just gotta be high poly for HD graphics)

I'm not with BloodWork anymore there a bunch of clowns made me do all the damn work so i only do 3d modelling and animation for myself now and of course for money lol
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: whitERaven on 2012-10-17 08:03:46
since your working on some guns why don't you port some that can be used for vincent or some for barret, LoL it would be nice..
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-10-17 13:32:14
She needs bigger.....eyes  ;)

I can't help staring at them... eyes...  ::) ::)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-10-17 20:44:21
since your working on some guns why don't you port some that can be used for vincent or some for barret, LoL it would be nice..

LOL the guns prob have 3 times more polys than vincent would.

Example and thats not even finished yet:
http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag100/recko2010/ScreenHunter_01Oct180941_zpsb728178b.jpg
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: whitERaven on 2012-10-17 22:19:57
yep.. guns of that quality will look cool with the new vincent I enhanced..

LoL but then again.. such high poly might be a waste for ff7 since some details will not be visible in-game, still that would be better than what we have for vincents other weapons.. anyway does ff7 has a limit in polycount?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-10-17 22:29:22
Well yea that AK47 is only half modeled and they wanted me to model every detail on rather than texturing them on pain in the arse lol

Well if ya want i could model all of Vincents weapons if someone else will texture them, all i need to know is around how many poly's i should do each of them on average.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: whitERaven on 2012-10-17 22:40:32
LoL that would be nice, I'll be glad to do the textures, as for the polys I think you can use the modded weapon for vincent as reference, other details are best handled with textures for ff7..

I think it'll be very easy for you since you've been doing weapons already.. you have experience and probably the stock datas and files of your previous works to help you..
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: EQ2Alyza on 2012-10-17 22:53:04
Lol nah I'd aim for the chest....texture. Speakin of her massive size, how the heck can a small girl like her have them big tits and not have them smacking her in the face when she does her limit moves?

/facepalm

Clearly you've never seen women play sports of any sort  :P
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: JLOUTLAW on 2012-10-17 23:03:40
Not really. About the only sport I watch is NFL.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-10-17 23:13:10
Ok then whitERaven i will then shouldn't take too long to do i can model a high poly gun in about 3-5 hours so standard guns with no inner detail and animations shouldn't be much hassle.

I use 3ds Max so what 3d program do you use so i know what to export them as?

Also for his Death Penalty am i doing the original or the Cerebus gun?
(i did notice someone already done a Cerebus Gun but they stuffed up the smoothing groups on it)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: EQ2Alyza on 2012-10-17 23:32:04
Not really. About the only sport I watch is NFL.

Check out a gym also. Lots to see there.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: whitERaven on 2012-10-18 00:26:05
Ok then whitERaven i will then shouldn't take too long to do i can model a high poly gun in about 3-5 hours so standard guns with no inner detail and animations shouldn't be much hassle.

I use 3ds Max so what 3d program do you use so i know what to export them as?

Also for his Death Penalty am i doing the original or the Cerebus gun?
(i did notice someone already done a Cerebus Gun but they stuffed up the smoothing groups on it)

I'm using blender.. as for the cerberus gun, it's up to you if you want to make a new one, LoL I'll just texture what you send.. I think this would be better discussed elsewhere, hehe we're off topic, I'll pm you.. :) :)

Why is it that when we talk about tifa, discussions about the chest area will always be there LoL..

Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: EQ2Alyza on 2012-10-18 02:30:18
Why is it that when we talk about tifa, discussions about the chest area will always be there LoL..

One word....


Men  :P
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: whitERaven on 2012-10-18 02:36:25
Ouch.. so true, LoL.. that pretty much says it all.. though tifa still has a lot of traits to appreciate and not just the chest..
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: JLOUTLAW on 2012-10-18 02:43:25
Because she has a nice big rack. No other reason or excuse needed. Ms Fan Service. Ironic though that Tits Mcgee was the shy one and the goody good looking girl in the pink was a huge slutty flirt.


One word....


Men  :P

Says the one with a pic of Aeris and Tifa cuddling. :)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: EQ2Alyza on 2012-10-18 05:06:50
lol and the 1997 Ms Fan Service pageant winner is.....

It's not like I don't ever acknowledge her looks. She is gorgeous. But what attracts me more is her strong will and devotion to the ones she loves. I don't think she is shy. She is quite true with her feelings actually. She is just very good at putting them aside, never letting them in the way. Not once have things been about her. Friends first, always. She's a fan favorite of mine   8)

You make cuddling sound like it's such a sin lol. I have that pic as a reminder that Cloud is stupid and doesn't know what he's missing. Aeris agrees  :)

Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Nightmarish on 2012-10-18 07:39:51
Recko you gonna make her hair end in Y ?
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-10-18 07:51:28
yea i was gonna do the dolphin tail
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: JLOUTLAW on 2012-10-18 10:33:16
lol and the 1997 Ms Fan Service pageant winner is.....

It's not like I don't ever acknowledge her looks. She is gorgeous. But what attracts me more is her strong will and devotion to the ones she loves. I don't think she is shy. She is quite true with her feelings actually. She is just very good at putting them aside, never letting them in the way. Not once have things been about her. Friends first, always. She's a fan favorite of mine   8)

You make cuddling sound like it's such a sin lol. I have that pic as a reminder that Cloud is stupid and doesn't know what he's missing. Aeris agrees  :)

Cuddling's not a sin lol. They both have this look of content and peace. Perhaps when Cloud ran off on his date with Barret that shot was taken :)

To be honest I think had Sephiroth not intervened he would have ended up with Aeris. That's the way the 1st disc seemed to be headed and Cloud didn't sound like he lost a friend with his "Your stupid plan and the cycle of nature don't mean anything. Aeris is gone......Aeris will no longer laugh, cry, smile or get angry....what about us??!?! What are WE supposed to do!!?!?" line. That sounds more like he lost a lover, and even in A C he runs to Aeris for comfort in his promised land. I feel squaresoft actually didn't go deep enough between those 3 and maybe that's because they saw she had to die for the events of the second and third disc to unfold.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-10-18 22:38:25
I have that pic as a reminder that Cloud is stupid and doesn't know what he's missing.

Nice one ;)
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Tenko Kuugen on 2012-10-18 23:11:13
I have the same pic to substitute the silly story of FF7 and have an actually nice couple
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-10-19 08:31:03
Sorry guys my tifa model is on hold while i'm working on this:
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=13777.0
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Mirrorman95 on 2012-11-20 18:00:48
You should make a preliminary release of this model, just in case.
Because all of someone else's models just went under due to Hard Drive failure.
I'd hate for anything else to get lost like that.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Almighty_gir on 2012-11-21 08:34:54
Hey guys, just wanted to weigh in on this thread a little..

i've known GodGundam for... jeeze must be going on 10 years or so now! he's been a long term member of the Earths Special Forces (http://esforces.com) mod team (the same place i started my career), and we worked together briefly on MechMod (http://mechmod.com) many moons ago.

if he's anything like me now, then he's likely just insanely busy and hasn't been able to return to working on Tifa. i'm not trying to make excuses, ultimately it's up to him to touch base. but speaking as a freelance artist, there have been times i've been so busy i haven't even been able to eat or sleep regularly, let alone be sociable or work on personal stuff. it's only recently i started saying NO to jobs, and YES to my own work.

I'll try to reach out to him and see if he can at least close the issue of whether or not he's going to continue working on her or not. but i wouldn't hold your breath... if you want my honest opinion? when people started posting ripped/illegal shit in this thread, he probably held his hands up and said "fuck this!" and i can't really blame him for that.

and then as i read through the thread, i saw this...

yea it was referenced off that first pic i had shown. Like i said i don't own that game and i don't actually know how to rip models either,
This is my actual job in real life to model from photographs as well as doing animation and texturing is piss easy as iv'e been doing art since i was 6 years old.

man, i'd love to know where you work, if everything you've posted on this forum so far is an example of the standard you work at, and your attitude towards it, then i have some serious doubts as to your credentials.

anywho, i read

Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: archerxtreme on 2012-12-10 15:46:57
Ya.I can appreciate people being busy seeing how i am as well. Rarely get the time to simply play. Never mind coming online to the forums and discussing things and attempt to learn modelling.

Though i really appreciate how much works gone into the Tifa model. I agree with someone here who said she needs bigger eyes....and a slighty...very slightly...longer face...

I cant wait to see it out....is what i wanna say but let's just hope work lets up a bit for me.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Recko on 2012-12-11 00:12:25
Hey guys, just wanted to weigh in on this thread a little..

i've known GodGundam for... jeeze must be going on 10 years or so now! he's been a long term member of the Earths Special Forces (http://esforces.com) mod team (the same place i started my career), and we worked together briefly on MechMod (http://mechmod.com) many moons ago.

if he's anything like me now, then he's likely just insanely busy and hasn't been able to return to working on Tifa. i'm not trying to make excuses, ultimately it's up to him to touch base. but speaking as a freelance artist, there have been times i've been so busy i haven't even been able to eat or sleep regularly, let alone be sociable or work on personal stuff. it's only recently i started saying NO to jobs, and YES to my own work.

I'll try to reach out to him and see if he can at least close the issue of whether or not he's going to continue working on her or not. but i wouldn't hold your breath... if you want my honest opinion? when people started posting ripped/illegal sh*t in this thread, he probably held his hands up and said "f*ck this!" and i can't really blame him for that.

and then as i read through the thread, i saw this...

man, i'd love to know where you work, if everything you've posted on this forum so far is an example of the standard you work at, and your attitude towards it, then i have some serious doubts as to your credentials.

anywho, i read

Almighty_gir no offense to and ur aloud ur opinion but questioning work ethics of other people is unprofessional and imatuer. Just because i dont know how rip models out of another game has nothing to do with modelling itself and i dont want to in the first place. The reason i started a new Tifa model from scratch was because i wanted to learn as much as i can about modelling a character as all i've done is still objects such as guns, building etc... The reason the Tifa model is was doin is on hold as well as the guns i was doin for Vincient is because of Birthday's, Weddings, Christmas and the fact that my sister was beaten by her ex and her kids are too scared to even stay in there own house, so iv'e been staying with them for the last month.

So dont try and attack people on the forums when you know nothing about them and whats happening around them
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Mirrorman95 on 2012-12-11 01:41:36
That's heavy man. I feel for you. Although, that sounds like kind of a private matter, so we really have no business knowing about it. I hope your situation gets better, for you and your loved ones, and to a lesser extent I also hope the Tifa modeller who started the forum can bring an end to all this speculation.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: whitERaven on 2012-12-11 02:03:25
Yeah, I know people get really busy most of the time cause of a lot of things, and most of us here (if not all) has other more  important priorities.

But it would really be appreciated if he at least visit here, drop a post saying if he's still planning to continue this or if this project is dead so we know if there still something to expect here. I doubt it would take a lot of time and effort to do so.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Almighty_gir on 2012-12-11 12:49:27
Almighty_gir no offense to and ur aloud ur opinion but questioning work ethics of other people is unprofessional and imatuer. Just because i dont know how rip models out of another game has nothing to do with modelling itself and i dont want to in the first place. The reason i started a new Tifa model from scratch was because i wanted to learn as much as i can about modelling a character as all i've done is still objects such as guns, building etc... The reason the Tifa model is was doin is on hold as well as the guns i was doin for Vincient is because of Birthday's, Weddings, Christmas and the fact that my sister was beaten by her ex and her kids are too scared to even stay in there own house, so iv'e been staying with them for the last month.

So dont try and attack people on the forums when you know nothing about them and whats happening around them

wow, way to try and twist what i said and then not even give a proper answer.

i hope your sister and her children are better.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-12-11 13:38:44
WTF!!! WORLD IS REALLY GOING DOWN!!! Let's gather all together and join forces against the scums of the world!!!
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Timu Sumisu on 2012-12-11 16:54:19
It's not unprofessional in this context, as we cannot have ripped material on this forum. A professional would have no problem showing a watermarked version of their texture sheet, or a wireframe of their model to back up their claim. If there is cause to believe work posted is not original, its not uncommon around here to ask about it.
Title: Re: WIP Tifa
Post by: Covarr on 2012-12-11 18:07:02
Recko,

You are free to continue posting previews of your work. However, if you release a finished version and it is found to contain ripped, stolen, or otherwise illegal content, you will be banned (and it is VERY easy to check). If you work is 100% your own, as you say it is, you have nothing to worry about.

Also, please note that some free character generators do not allow models made in them to be distributed without additional paid licensing (for example, anything created with DAZ Studio).

To reiterate, if your work is genuine you are in the clear. This is not an accusation, just a reminder.

~Covarr