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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6825 on: 2018-05-06 23:13:22 »
I'd like to chime in, this mod is great! What a wonderful new spin on a wonderful but slightly flawed game.
Now, I have a few questions that I can't seem to find answers to...
I'm currently in the Midgar Raid portion of Disk 2. Cloud is level 71 and at maxed Rank - he's got 180 strength, 226 attk but is barely doing 1000 points of damage against the enemies there. Then Red XIII waltzes in with his 150 magic and does anywhere between 2000 and 8000 damage, depending on the spell/weakness. It seems to me that Cloud should be doing much more damage - can anyone tell me why he isn't? Since he's MAX Rank, he's got nowhere to go, either. This is the case with all the characters, with their standard attacks, actually. Am I missing something?
Also I was curious about the ???? character on the Rank Up screen, as mentioned above. Is that something to be implemented in the future?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6826 on: 2018-05-07 07:50:45 »
I'm currently in the Midgar Raid portion of Disk 2. Cloud is level 71 and at maxed Rank - he's got 180 strength, 226 attk but is barely doing 1000 points of damage against the enemies there. Then Red XIII waltzes in with his 150 magic and does anywhere between 2000 and 8000 damage, depending on the spell/weakness. It seems to me that Cloud should be doing much more damage - can anyone tell me why he isn't? Since he's MAX Rank, he's got nowhere to go, either. This is the case with all the characters, with their standard attacks, actually. Am I missing something?
Some combination of Deathblow, Slash-All, Throw, Multi-Cut, Counter Attack, Command Counter, and Added Cut is needed for strength-focused characters to shine. You might not have Slash-All and Multi-Cut yet as they're in the Ancient Forest, but you should have everything else.

That said, the enemies in the Midgar Raid are generally weak to magic and resistant to physicals for whatever reason. Ultima and Comet2 are also pretty overpowered when they're first available.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6827 on: 2018-05-08 08:53:54 »
It's also important to note that elemental Materia will create more favorable damage comparisons for physical attacks. Be on the lookout for machines, beasts, and humanoids, as they offer very consistent weaknesses to exploit.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6828 on: 2018-05-08 19:06:25 »
Okay, fair enough - I was expecting physical attacks to at least be able to break 1500  by max rank, it feels a bit useless to have dumped so much of Cloud's development into STR though if he's not going to get much stronger at this point. I'll have to revisit strategy... and hey, at least I don't have to use him in a little bit!

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6829 on: 2018-05-08 20:05:19 »
Just made an account to say that this Mod is fantastic, and it renewed my love for a 20 year old game.  Bravo, excellent work.

I just cleared out the sunken plane, and I notice that the weapons down there all have different growth rates even though their descriptions indicate they should all be higher than normal growth.  Is this intended?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6830 on: 2018-05-09 02:03:30 »


Just made an account to say that this Mod is fantastic, and it renewed my love for a 20 year old game.  Bravo, excellent work.

I just cleared out the sunken plane, and I notice that the weapons down there all have different growth rates even though their descriptions indicate they should all be higher than normal growth.  Is this intended?

That was a mistake on my part, they're supposed to be triple growth.


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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6831 on: 2018-05-09 11:43:51 »
Whew.  Good to know I'm not insane.  Thanks for the awesome work you've done here.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6832 on: 2018-05-09 14:24:02 »
Hi! Love the mod so far, but I just got to Wutai and I think I found a bug?

During the part of your first trip to Wutai where Yuffie claims she will give your materia back if you pull one of two levers, it wouldn't let me interact with the levers at all, essentially soft-locking the game for me.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6833 on: 2018-05-09 17:10:14 »
Hi! Love the mod so far, but I just got to Wutai and I think I found a bug?

During the part of your first trip to Wutai where Yuffie claims she will give your materia back if you pull one of two levers, it wouldn't let me interact with the levers at all, essentially soft-locking the game for me.

That's an issue with the base PC game, the levers have dodgy contact-detection; I think you need to be standing side-long to trigger them. I'll see about expanding/moving the line used for it.

Edit: Try this:
https://youtu.be/tH9pMqjPmlo

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6834 on: 2018-05-09 17:55:32 »
That's an issue with the base PC game, the levers have dodgy contact-detection; I think you need to be standing side-long to trigger them. I'll see about expanding/moving the line used for it.

Edit: Try this:
https://youtu.be/tH9pMqjPmlo

Ah! That worked! Thanks!

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6835 on: 2018-05-10 20:30:58 »
I've looked everywhere after playing the piano at the mansion, but I still have no idea what was released. Does it actually exist, was it lost number, or is that a placeholder?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6836 on: 2018-05-11 02:25:42 »
I've looked everywhere after playing the piano at the mansion, but I still have no idea what was released. Does it actually exist, was it lost number, or is that a placeholder?

     Try going to the reactor in Mt. Nibel. There should be a figure in a black cloak right in front of the door to Jenova's room. You may wanna save before you do it tho. Just a heads up  :wink:

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6837 on: 2018-05-11 20:23:01 »
I've been playing through this for the last few days and it's amazing so far.

One thing though, I've seen a  lot of videos where people have Aeris in their party after part 1, but after I beat Jenova DECAY she stayed dead and Cloud dumped her in the lake like in the normal game. Does she come back later? Did I do something wrong?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6838 on: 2018-05-11 22:30:34 »
I've been playing through this for the last few days and it's amazing so far.

One thing though, I've seen a  lot of videos where people have Aeris in their party after part 1, but after I beat Jenova DECAY she stayed dead and Cloud dumped her in the lake like in the normal game. Does she come back later? Did I do something wrong?

There was a dialogue option added before the scene (when Cloud is holding his sword up); the red option is for canon game, the greyed one is for 100% more Ancient in your life.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6839 on: 2018-05-12 00:50:37 »
     Try going to the reactor in Mt. Nibel. There should be a figure in a black cloak right in front of the door to Jenova's room. You may wanna save before you do it tho. Just a heads up  :wink:
Ohhh! Thanks!

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6840 on: 2018-05-12 07:27:06 »
Hello everyone.

I´m going to replay the game with v1.5.
I notice that the two hotfix don´t have any link, is it because they aren´t necessary ? or maybe they are at the NT build ??

Do you guys recomend the normal mode or the arrange mode ? i have some experience with FF7 (it´s my favourite game)

Thanks

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6841 on: 2018-05-12 09:38:22 »
There was a dialogue option added before the scene (when Cloud is holding his sword up); the red option is for canon game, the greyed one is for 100% more Ancient in your life.

Oh wow really? That's very disappointing. Can I ask what the reasoning behind this is? Why does saying 'wake up' kill her but 'wait' keeps her alive? I had a look at the documentation in the files and there's nothing about that choice in there. If I had known there was a difference I would've chosen the one that keeps her in the party.

Edit: Just met the guy on the Highwind who lets me change her to alive. All's good.
« Last Edit: 2018-05-12 19:19:56 by Gennel224 »

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6842 on: 2018-05-12 19:35:28 »
Just finished playing through this mod for the first time (I actually bought the PC version of the game specifically to be able to play with this mod), and it was an amazing experience. After playing through the game almost a dozen times on PS1, I was always frustrated that the amount of grinding it takes to unlock all the best abilities makes you so strong that you don’t actually need to use said abilities. All I wanted from the game is for it to FORCE me to ACTUALLY NEED to use all the awesome tools it gives you! And now it does! So thank you.

That being said, once I was around half way done with disc 2, I decided to actually start making note of the glitches I was noticing (wish I had started sooner, but at least you get half-a-game’s-worth of logs). These are all things I noticed in the normal course of playing the game, without going out of my way to try and break anything. (Though I did—briefly—do bug testing professionally a number of years ago.  If you’d like, I’d be willing to “stress-test” some parts of the mod for you. Let me know!) Also, since this was my first time playing through the PC version of the game (and the first time I’d played it with an eye for catching bugs), I’m not sure how many of these are due to your mod and how many are just inherent in the system (there were no other mods involved, so at least that can be ruled out).

I’ve divided my notes into four categories: glitches (which is the catch-all for things that obviously (or presumably) were not supposed to happen), “out of place” (which were things that may or may not have been glitches, but should still be addressed), suggestions (which are changes that may or may not be possible within the scope of your mod, but that I feel would make it better), and typos (which are typos). Speaking of typos, if you can send me your changed dialog script (or tell me how to extract it from the game files), I’ll go through and proof-read it (much easier than trying to come across the dialog naturally in the game).

Glitches:
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  • After stopping the train in North Corel, the kid gives the party the Planet materia automatically. Then, when you talk to him in his house, he gives it to you again. (Not that I’m complaining about being given two Planet materia, mind you.)
  • During the long course in the Chocobo race, once you pass the waterfall, the loud “water rushing” sound effect continues to play until the race is over and the scene changes.
  • When fighting the Ghost Ship, I got a game over when the party died, even though two of the characters were thrown away alive. The reason I think this is a glitch is because other battles that have the knocked-out-of-the-party mechanic DON’T have a game over when the same thing happens.
  • Maxim Gun and Battle Trumpet have normal growth, but their descriptions imply they should have triple.
  • The description of HP Shout is “?? ??” instead of the damage formula (like the other ultimate weapons).
  • A number of custom items don’t sort alphabetically (there must be a hidden value or something that tells the menu how to sort them that your items are missing, or something). The ones I caught are Sun Curtain, Astral Curtain, X-Mine, Syncher, Lucky Pill, Dirty Bomb, Maxim Gun, Red Clip, Restore Rod, Relic Ring, Hybrid Brace, Cactuar Gun, Oversoul Shard, and Typhoon Ring
  • During fight with Mirage: characters affected by Fantasia keep spinning while dead. If revived, player can choose their actions but attacks will still hit party and healing/buffs will still hit the boss (as if they were confused)
    • More generally, the confusion status is permanent. It cannot be cured—even after resist has been dispelled—even though all the other statues that Fantasia inflicts can.
  • Pearl can still be cast while character is a frog
  • When visiting the Alter in the Forgotten City in disc 3:
    • The exit is not marked while assist is on
    • The character sprite seen while approaching the alter is Ifalna’s (or maybe Aeris' from when you infiltrate the Don's manor), but when you enter the alter it’s Aeris’s.
  • On disc 3, Tifa can’t be added to or removed from the party using the normal save points while Cid is the leader.
  • On disc 3, if Tifa or Cloud is in the party when they’re not the leader, their sprite will be used on the world map instead of the current leader’s.
  • In the Dark Cave version of the Don’s manor:
    • In the right-most room, the camera doesn’t follow Cloud when he moves after the battle, unless you exit and re-enter the room.
    • If you confront the Don while Aeris is in the party, she doesn’t come out for the lineup
  • Aegis Armlet doesn’t protect from Holy or Hidden elements.
  • In the Dark Cave Honeybee Inn (in the room with mini Cait Sith)
    • Cloud can clip into the left side of the tub
    • Either the camera or the map is allowed to move too far when approaching the edges of the room, so that the edge of the map visibly moves (exposing the void behind it)
  • In the Dark Cave version of Aeris’s house, transitioning up/down the stairs and entering (but not exiting) the house causes the music to restart.
  • During the entirety of the Dark Cave, Tifa cannot be removed from the party.
  • In the Dark Cave, after getting Cid back, the green arrow (from having assist on) is blinking in front of the text box.
  • Visiting Wall Market in disc 3 while Cid was the party leader: in the diner, I accidentally tried walking into the kitchen. The chef stopped me like normal (“Hey! Stay out of the kitchen”), but instead of automatically making Cid run back into the dining area, the game soft-locked on me (Cid froze mid-turn and I could no longer move him, nor could I interact with anything or open my menu). Doing this with Cloud has no problems; Cloud turns around and you continue controlling him as normal. I didn’t test Tifa. If I had to guess, I’d say Cid’s model was lacking the proper animation or something to that effect (not sure how things like that are handled in the game’s engine).
  • After beating the last boss in the Dark Cave, the far exit doesn’t work (player can walk through the marked exit for a little bit before hitting a dead end).
  • All documentation (and the weapon smith) refers to the "Pilebunker" as the "Pile Banger." (not sure if the weapon name is wrong or everything calls it the wrong thing, but it should be fixed either way.
  • After exiting the Dark Cave, talking to the foreman again caused him to glitch out for ~5 seconds (scaring me into thinking the game had soft-locked before I could save after beating the boss), then stopped glitching and said his normal line.
  • Kalm (disc 3): there’s a woman stuck in the center of the tower in the middle of town.
  • Armored Keeper (or whatever the boss at the end of Mt. Nibel was called) doesn't use Trine. (According to Proud Clod, only Movers ever use it.)
  • The game doesn’t recognize the following achievements with your mod: End of Part 1 (I chose to let Aeris live, so I’m guessing if I had let her die and seen the funeral scene I would have gotten the achievement), End of Game (getting the normal ending might still trigger it, but I haven’t checked yet), Battle Square (which you should get for “[starting] a battle in the Battle Square”), and both the Bahamut Zero and Knights of the Round achievements (which is weird, because I DID get the Materia Overlord achievement for mastering all materia. *shrug*)


Out of Place:
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  • After the final Fort Condor battle, Yuffie’s swearing should be censored the same way Cid’s and Barret’s swearing is. It feels very out of place otherwise.
  • In the same conversation, the Aeris’ line should come before Cid’s final line (I forgot to write down the exact lines, but I remember it was something to the effect of Cid saying “let’s go” and then Aeris comments on the Condor, or something along those lines)
  • Documentation states that Mime was changed to a 1-star materia for balancing, but it’s not. It’s 2-star and can be mastered, thus allowing as many as I want. Either the documentation is wrong and should be updated, or that’s a glitch and should be corrected.
  • During Cait Sith’s side quest, he talks about finding the source of “the strange signal” they received, but it wasn’t mentioned anywhere else (the prompt to revisit the Temple of the Ancients was just a vague “you should go see what’s there” type of message). Was there supposed to be more to his quest (or at least, some mention of a strange signal coming from the Temple of the Ancients)?
  • In the Dark Cave, having the standard victory music after a fight and the normal sleeping music when you rest is very jarring, and breaks the creepy atmosphere you were building.
    • Also, the first screen of climbing up to Shinra HQ had the standard music from that event (from disc 1). On the second screen and onward, there was silence.
  • Use of music in Shinra HQ was inconsistent:
    • Outside, lobby, elevators, and floors 61–69 had no music
    • The store and battles had the “sneaking into Shinra HQ” music playing.


Suggestions:
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  • In Cloud’s memories, I think changing Tifa’s “The day mom died…” to “…The day mom died…” would help sell the idea that she’s suddenly remembering something sad (the implied hesitation at the start of the sentence).
  • On the rocket (after it’s been launched) the exits aren’t marked while assist is on (makes it hard to figure out where on the screen I’m supposed to exit). Not sure if this is a vanilla glitch or not, but I’d suggest fixing it either way. There are several other areas in the game that aren’t marked well either. If that’s something you can (and are willing to) fix, let me know and I’ll make a note of them on my next playthrough.
  • Change Aeris’ model on disc 2 and 3 to not have the white materia. It’s very distracting having the characters talk about how she lost the white materia WHILE THE CAMERA IS ZOOMED IN ON THE WHITE MATERIA CLEARLY SITTING IN HER HAIR. =P


Typos:
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  • In the Forgotten City with Bugenhagen and Aeris:
    • “I prayed for Holy but nothing happened.” Missing comma after Holy
    • Cloud says “… I attacked her …” when talking to Aeris. Flag should be added that checks for Aeris being in the party, and if true, changes “her” to “you”
  • Cait Sith: “You know the Junon cannon vanished?” Should have “how” after “know”.
  • Scarlet (to Reeve): “Once you open up all the way everything will go full speed!” Missing comma after “all the way”.
  • Heidegger: “… power of a Reactor-fueled cannon!” “Reactor” should not be capitalized (it’s not a proper noun in this instance).
  • Scarlet: “Off course!” should (probably) be “Of course!”
  • On the Highwind during disc 3, when talking to the NPC who tells the player about the “New Threats,” asking him about Midgar tells you about Rocket Town.
  • When forging ultimate weapons: “Off course!” should be “Of Course!”

   
PS, sorry if any of those were already reported. I didn’t feel like looking through 274 pages of posts to find out whether there were any overlaps in bug reports.

PPS, I was playing on Arranged difficulty. That probably matters.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6843 on: 2018-05-12 23:29:44 »
Could I use my 1.4 save file with the new 1.5 version? Would there be any issues?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6844 on: 2018-05-13 00:38:39 »
Hello everyone.

I´m going to replay the game with v1.5.
I notice that the two hotfix don´t have any link, is it because they aren´t necessary ? or maybe they are at the NT build ??

Do you guys recomend the normal mode or the arrange mode ? i have some experience with FF7 (it´s my favourite game)

Thanks

If you go with the installer from here then there's no hotfixes to apply. Go with Normal mode for first playthrough of the mod, Arrange has some balance issues end-game at the moment due to the .exe modifications to materia bonuses/penalties.

Could I use my 1.4 save file with the new 1.5 version? Would there be any issues?

Yeah, but depending on where you are there might be some scenes not triggering (for instance, if you've cleared out the Da Chao fire cave and not done Yuffie's Lv.4 Limit boss then you'll miss it upgrading to 1.5). It should be fine on the whole though as it's mostly the same savemap.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6845 on: 2018-05-14 06:23:18 »
Hey SC, I can't seem to get ff7_en.exe to launch with 7h. https://imgur.com/15Q2M4e

I can run ff7.exe directly, with my saves in progress, but no mods are active. When I run ff7_en.exe directly it boots the Steam loader and loads the saves in the Steam install folder. 1.5 has worked fine with ff7_bc.exe but with vanilla materia and source values. Any insight or should I try a fresh install?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6846 on: 2018-05-15 04:19:32 »
Hi SC

Having a little bit of an issue with NT (I'm currently using 24th November 2017 IRO). I was wondering if you were able to help me out with it please :)

I cannot get Tifa to trigger her scene at the piano. I'm at Disc 3/Went to the bottom of the crater and came back. I play the Final Heaven tune on the piano and the most I get is two lots of 1 gil.

I know I am using an older version, however because I was recording my run for YouTube, this was the most updated version I had and didn't realise til recently you had
released a newer version of NT.
Is there a possible to fix this or do I need to update to the latest version? I held off because of Cid and Cloud having new innates and I didn't wanna do anything irreversible so far into my playthrough. However I do want a playable game and to record Tifa v [REDACTED] (Not sure on the spoiler policy)

Thanks in advance

Ark

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6847 on: 2018-05-15 06:25:21 »
I can run ff7.exe directly, with my saves in progress, but no mods are active. When I run ff7_en.exe directly it boots the Steam loader and loads the saves in the Steam install folder. 1.5 has worked fine with ff7_bc.exe but with vanilla materia and source values.

I had the same problem when I tried using 7H. The second part (the materia having vanilla values) I haven't found a solution for yet, but for the first one, the problem is that 7H is loading its saves from a different folder than the vanilla game saves them in. Luckily, that means you can just copy them over and they work fine. For me, the vanilla saves (the ones I wanted it to load) were stored in "..\Documents\Square Enix\FINAL FANTASY VII Steam\user_16032414". All you have to do is copy the file there that has the save data you're looking for (for me, it was "save00.ff7") and drop it into the save folder that 7H created: "..\steamapps\common\FINAL FANTASY VII\save". If you already have saves in there that you want to keep, just change the number in the file before you copy over your old save (for me, I renamed it from "save00.ff7" to "save01.ff7"). Then you just launch the game from 7H and, voila, your old saves are now accessible!

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6848 on: 2018-05-15 14:00:28 »
Hey SC, I can't seem to get ff7_en.exe to launch with 7h. https://imgur.com/15Q2M4e

I can run ff7.exe directly, with my saves in progress, but no mods are active. When I run ff7_en.exe directly it boots the Steam loader and loads the saves in the Steam install folder. 1.5 has worked fine with ff7_bc.exe but with vanilla materia and source values. Any insight or should I try a fresh install?

As far as I'm aware, 7H should be using the ff7.exe by default rather than the steam ff7_en.exe. This can be changed depending on mod composition (ff7_bc.exe for instance) but for all intents and purposes 7H operates from an install that is converted from FF7 steam into a FF7 1998 PC install. It shouldn't be using ff7_en.exe or the steam launcher at all.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #6849 on: 2018-05-15 19:36:25 »
Hi SC

Having a little bit of an issue with NT (I'm currently using 24th November 2017 IRO). I was wondering if you were able to help me out with it please :)

I cannot get Tifa to trigger her scene at the piano. I'm at Disc 3/Went to the bottom of the crater and came back. I play the Final Heaven tune on the piano and the most I get is two lots of 1 gil.

I know I am using an older version, however because I was recording my run for YouTube, this was the most updated version I had and didn't realise til recently you had
released a newer version of NT.
Is there a possible to fix this or do I need to update to the latest version? I held off because of Cid and Cloud having new innates and I didn't wanna do anything irreversible so far into my playthrough. However I do want a playable game and to record Tifa v [REDACTED] (Not sure on the spoiler policy)

Thanks in advance

Ark
You can trigger other sidequests??
You had tried to go to the reactor to see if Zangan is waiting his defeat? O_o