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Miscellaneous Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: The SaiNt on 2002-11-26 11:31:56
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Nobody posted this yet?
Guess I'll post it then.
http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2002/112502c.html
http://www.gameforms.com/news/?615
[edit by Q: SqE, not ESq :) ]
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Hmm interesting... who are Enix by the way?
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WHO are Enix? They are, or at least traditionally has been, Square's arch rival on the Japanese RPG market. Makers of the Dragon Quest series, and several other interesting RPGs.
I wonder how the Square Enix logo will look... hopefully not anything like Enix's current logo (which is awful IMO)... :)
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Nah, they're doing something else. They're gonna call the "new" company "Squeenix" or something like that. The logo will consist of a burning chocobo with Enix's old logo being melted in hydrochloric acid in the background. And the "SQUEENIX" with different shapes for letter replacements will be in the foreground of this.
Of course, that's a big lie. I wonder if this is more of a "buy out" than a merger...
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Oh, perhaps colorful block letter's like the more recent Super Mario logos? ;-)
This isn't even a buy-out, as RPGamer says, Square is officially being disbanded and its resources absorbed into Enix. There's a report available on Enix's site (http://www.enix.co.jp/) (it's the bottom PDF link). It's in Japanese though, but at least it has some sketchy details of the new company formed.
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I read this morning. This could be pretty intresting. Hopefully Enix would like to publish there l33t games on the pc, yestheywould :D
While were on the topic. I recently played Valkyrie Profile by Enix. It ownz you all. For free. There for you should go and play it till you own it. For free. As I am currently doing.
Thank you all very much.
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So if Square is disbanded what will happen to everything Final Fantasy? Will it all just pass into public domain (yeah right, but its worth hoping for)? Also how about support for their products?
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Everything Square will still exist in Square Enix, and very much their trademarks. The "disbanded" part is just the financial technicalities of the merger.
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Might that be a rumor? IMHO, Square has been making lots of dough and Enix has been losing a lot of money because their games are not released to the western market except for a few titles.
If square is disbanding or merging, it would have made headlines around the net but now, only 2 sites are reporting it.
It seems to be very unlogical if we see square's profit in the past with FFX, why would they want to disband?
This isn't even a buy-out, as RPGamer says, Square is officially being disbanded and its resources absorbed into Enix. There's a report available on Enix's site (it's the bottom PDF link). It's in Japanese though, but at least it has some sketchy details of the new company formed
Maybe Enix is the one who is being absorbed by square...
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Damn... It's the end of an era...
And the new logo will probably involve a chocobo.
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The probability of this being a rumor are exceedingly low. As I said, Enix themselves have the report on their front page, and it's highly unlikely they'd risk their reputation on a bluff like that. And don't forget Enix is the bigger of the two companies, the Dragon Quest series is immensely more popular than FF in Japan. And I repeat, the "disbanded" part is just a financial technicality. Square is not "giving up", this is merely the most efficient way to merger for the two companies.
The reason no major headlines are floating around the net is that the actual press release was held only yesterday afternoon (Japanese time). Also, perhaps some of the sites are being sceptical and are waiting for others to report it first.
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Enix and Square have worked together in the past actualy. IIRC Chrono Trigger was done in cooperation with Enix.
Last year, Namco, Square and Enix swapped stock. This is just a natural progression.
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The thing with this merger is, it seems more like a seamless merging itself. It's like both companies are doing the fusion dance from DBZ or something (Pardon me for making that reference)
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Or, might it be something like that HP and Compaq merger?
Also, it wasn't at square's website, but onlyt at Enix. Is it just a proposal?
Well, after both sides has get what they wanted, they will split, I suppose
(Enix - Source code for FF game engine, translation(?)
(Square - Financial stuff)
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I still want to see Dragon Fantasy or Final Quest.
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>I still want to see Dragon Fantasy or Final Quest.
This is from RPG Fan:
There are no plans to merge the two companies' most heralded properties, the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest series. The combined sales of both series' amount to a grand total of 72 million copies (Final Fantasy: 42 million copies, Dragon Quest: 30 million copies) worldwide.
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...*cries and pouts in a corner*
...I hate you. (you crushed my little world)
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No plans now, but when the money looks good enough, they'll do it
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Yay! You're my new best friend! :D
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I have a friend! *cries* This is the happiest day of my life!
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Hmmm Squenix.. well...
Anyhow :) It may be a good thing or a bad thing, I've noticed that the last few years of Square releases save Chrono Cross have been rather poor. I'm not a big FF9 fan. FF7 and FF8 I love same with FF4 FF5 FF6 and FF Tactics FF10 is OK :)
I'm not sure how Square has managed there poorly going releases like FFXI from what I've heard is doing horribly. I hope Square turns it's eyes back on good developement and PLOT instead of cool graphics and such.. lots of glitz but no real bang to me.. bites. :)
FF8 .. real plot what's important.. and who are you?
FF7 .. real plot meaning of life and it's importance
I prefer games that have a point or direction to them .. that's an underlying theme.
I liked for example Vagrant story (although I am sure a number HATED that game I loved it :) ).
Cybie!
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Well both companies are getting an injection of new blood with all the members merging so it can only mean good for all their franchises
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For those of you that didn't catch the recent Enix-Square comments at a strategy conference in Tokyo
http://www.the-magicbox.com/game112902.htm
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Funnily enough. I've never seen a copy of Dragon Quest in the stores. Neither have I heard of it @_@
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No wonder, living in Norfolk :lol:
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Dragon Quest tends to be less widely known outside Japan.
I believe Enix also does the Grandia series as well.
*PS* It's rumoured that Square Enix's first project will be Parasite Eve: Rebirth for the PS2 and Gamecube.
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Hmmm...but according to the stats, Enix only sold about 2++ bil copies while square sold about 3-4bil copies. By the way I see it, Enix is losing money.
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But, IIRC, games aren't the problem for Square, movies (or rather the one and only movie) are. I don't know how much profit, if any, The Spirits Within made, but it most certainly didn't do nearly as well as Square had hoped.
It's a shame, too... I thought that movie was pretty good.
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Would have been better with a better translator (I keep getting the niggling the "Zeus" was originally going to be named "Odin" and the "Phantoms" were an allusion to a translation for summon creatures, "Phantom Beasts") and no time-cuts from the script.
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The movie WAS good. I always hear people talking smack about the movie. I really don't see what was so bad about it. Sure, there were some ridiculous parts in it (just like what happens in the games), but they really didn't bug me. Lots of movies are alot worse than FFSW, and they get tons less crap from critics and movie fans. Maybe people just didn't like the fact that a decent film that didn't require actors (not including voice actors) can actually exist.
This film was definaltely groundbreaking as far as VERY reallistic 3d renderings go. At times while watching the movie, I completely forgot that the entire thing was rendered. I kept asking myself: "now who is that actor playing her..oh wait...whoops".
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FF:TSW would have been a lot more better if at *least* some of the protagonist characters stayed alive and rebulid the world with aki, and then let us see and old aki telling children about the movie. The movie is obviosly inspired by FF7.
Speaking about square's movies, FF Unlimited and the the 2 earlier cartoons trying to cash on FF's name failed terribilly as fans could not relate the anime with the actual game. Another cause to blame was because square did not promote them well.
But considering the revenues generated by the game sales, which should be more that enough to cover the losses, I think that something is up to square's sleeve in this merger. I smell something fishy..... :z
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Final Fantasy Unlimited was okay... it could have been great but... oh well.
Final Fantasy: TSW sucked ass. The graphics were sure nice but, other than that sod that stupid film. No story, no characters. Argh.
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FFU was cut in half from it's original intention of having 52 episodes. It was an excellent series and I guess the ties to the FF games were based on too many of the old ones, since noone seemed to get them.
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Copies of what? Amounts of games sold (Dragon Quest and FF series) are about 1% of those, 30 million and 42 million worldwide.
Not to mention that Square could be selling lot more and still doing worse, if they are also spending more (like developing more titles).
But, IIRC, games aren't the problem for Square, movies (or rather the one and only movie) are. I don't know how much profit, if any, The Spirits Within made, but it most certainly didn't do nearly as well as Square had hoped.
After watching the movie I can understand why it did so poorly.
1: It was dumbed too far down for the die hard Square fans
2: The affects etc were great, however it seemed kind of pointless.
3: I didn't like it, the affects were wonderful, but WRONG DEMOGRAPHIC. They made a gross error in there marketing target for the movie. People who would likely be interested in a movie like that, are.. 1 at least have a college degree or are a die hard square fan, 2 aren't as interested in special affects as a good story, 3 aren't as interested in action as a good story. I think the movie lacked hitting all 3 of these. Namely the story wasn't all that well developed and it wasn't targeted at a more intellectual demographic.
Movies I like would be 'Hearts of Atlantis' where there is very little action but lots of plot. You don't need to spend huge amounts of money to make a good movie, you need a good story though.
Cybie :)
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FFU was cut in half from it's original intention of having 52 episodes. It was an excellent series and I guess the ties to the FF games were based on too many of the old ones, since noone seemed to get them.
Final Fantasy Unlimited isnt a very good series... I used to think it was brilliant till I panned out and viewed hella other anime. Now I can relise its short commings.
Characters are nothing to write home about.
Its basic "monster of the week" stuff mostly.
Story line is patchy.
Art work and animation is amazeing though. I like a lot of the music to.
As I said it would have been done a lot better...
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FFU is done in a style, though, were the characters are introduced first, then thier backgrounds are slowly told through the course of the series. This is why FFU seems patchy, like I said, they cut it in half. A couple of books are being released to continue it, however.