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Fraggoso

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #25 on: 2017-06-16 14:10:57 »
Are you really using the online waifu page?
I hope not. ;)

Use this instead:
https://github.com/lltcggie/waifu2x-caffe/releases

If you want to hop on a quick chat regarding upsizing fields let me know. I'm eager to know things I maybe didn't do to improve that on my FFIX release.
And maybe I can help you out as well. :)

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #26 on: 2017-06-16 15:52:30 »
Is it much different? Yeah I'll take any improvement methods lol and glad to help others

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #27 on: 2017-06-16 15:55:46 »
First and formost you can do batch conversion with it.
You also have more options to choose. There's also a mode which takes a little longer to upsize but the quality gain is sometime worth it.

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #28 on: 2017-06-16 16:14:09 »
Damn, yeah. I'll get on it. Cheers :D

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #29 on: 2017-06-19 15:21:05 »
Hi guys, I have another method to improve the backgrounds.Here some pics(left waifu 4x, righ my filtered version):

https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=c2aa7ca8-52e1-11e7-baf8-0edaf8f81e27
https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=f14917d6-52e1-11e7-baf8-0edaf8f81e27
https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=14e08b0c-52e2-11e7-baf8-0edaf8f81e27

I need help with the batch import option of palmer. I don´t know how it works and the palmer front end is not working for me, always says this:

Palmer.exe is in the same folder as the fontend  :oops: Someone know how to figure out this?
« Last Edit: 2017-06-19 15:24:34 by jusete »

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #30 on: 2017-06-19 20:52:20 »
You loose detail with that method and you will lose it with every automated method. This is an image where I have mixed two Waifu2x outputs one with no noise reduction and one with full.



The Gold Saucer needs mostly the full noise reduction due to the many vibrant colors but the low color resolution of the BGs. The problem is that full noise reduction eats a lot of detail from objects. The solution is to use both upscaled images and use the detail which fits best. Sand and rocks are 10 time better with no noise reduction while plane things absolutely profit from the full noise reduction. Yes, this needs manual work, but I think this will be better than another generic pack I can choose from. Though, since I started with the Goldsaucer and it really is an eye killer I probably make all other images of it that way, too. But I should use a better program than paint.net. Even if some people would do only a few manually it would be much better since they would merge with the current't Waifu upscale pack much better as some pre-rendered upscale.

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #31 on: 2017-06-19 21:40:21 »
That one looks good. I compared that one with mine and you are right, the colors are better on yours but I think that my method works very good on non brighter colors and grass,sand, rocks, etc. Maybe we can combine our projects and choose the best background of each one. On other hand, do you know how to use the batch function on palmer?? xDD

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #32 on: 2017-06-19 23:18:18 »
My god, that's the clearest image i have EVER seen! You had this potential for this long lol, why wait till now hahaha

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #33 on: 2017-06-20 07:25:04 »
This is no magic but manual work. There is an image on the TA threat of sector 6 which is only upgraded by Photoshop and I think that it is the best way to upgrade the original images to HQ. With the two Waifu outputs you get a good base for the upgrade, but a bit additional work is needed. I used the rough no noise reduction as base, added a layer and put the (too) smooth output image to that layer. Then I erased areas from it where the rough image did look better. I also added some lines and worked out some details like the letters on the platform (TV Station) and smoothed parts which even Waifu couldn't blend.

This could probably be improved with a better tool and more practice. A bit fake AO with the burn tool or using a generated noise texture to give some surfaces more detail, stuff like that.

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So far I have no idea how Facepalmer works, sorry.

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #34 on: 2017-06-20 13:31:50 »
Nice, I will try your method and see If I can find the way to do it quickly. Thanks mate

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #35 on: 2017-06-20 17:51:05 »
I don't know if my method brought us to this but either way I'm glad I made this haha. Best field nod ever is incoming !

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #36 on: 2017-06-21 08:19:35 »
Well, Kaldarasha is a great FF7 graphics artist and I am really glad to see him give his contribution which is truly invaluable.

Hopefully you can combine forces and really provide FF7 with the best possible retouched background screens.

I fear it is a long and tedious work though.

All my best to you guys!

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #37 on: 2017-06-21 08:55:57 »
I currently have given GIMP a try to I guess with it some further improvements are possible since I can use some brushes and perspectives. Anyway, I only do the Goldsaucer, but first I finish my ChaOS update. When this is all done I have to train my programming skills to create tools for my needs.

My suggestion is to do the cities (also the Chocobo Farm) first since this are places you visit pretty often, though I would say Midgar should be done at the end since its very big and can be demotivating if you do it alone. A city can be done fast and you have also the success of a full finished pack.

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #38 on: 2017-06-28 12:14:22 »
So far I really like Gimp.  ;D

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Upscale


I did use Waifu and then edited the image in Gimp. The info is the BG you see when you are going close to it. Thanks to the perspective modification tool I could embed it into the scene pretty well*. Then I tried to work out the letters and worked out some detail to certain objects with the darken/lighten up tool. After that, I used Waifu again to make the image 2k.

*I added it in that step because I want a coherent result. If it would be added to the final upscale, it may clash with its higher detail to the rest of the image.

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #39 on: 2017-06-28 12:44:54 »
That really looks spectacular!

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #40 on: 2017-06-28 12:55:24 »
Wow! That looks great!

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #41 on: 2017-06-28 14:01:46 »
Congratulations, Kaldarasha.

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #42 on: 2017-06-28 18:20:39 »
Kal of you give me a step by step on this I'll help you out. I'd be glad too.

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #43 on: 2017-06-28 18:47:35 »
I currently work out the text on the floor I'm not too happy how it looks now.
As I said this is manual editing which takes some time, BUT it's faster and probably easier to do as a 3D rebuilt (though a professional 3D environment artist would beat me in time I guess). I make a step by step tutorial with ancnt_1 since it was the first scene I tested my idea but hadn't saved the result and it has rough stone elements and the water surface looks amazing with full noise reduction.
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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #44 on: 2017-06-28 19:14:21 »
Looking forward to adept it to my ffix workflow. :)

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #45 on: 2017-06-29 21:52:41 »
Hey Kaldarasha, I saw that scene and I thought: damm, that background is not too complex maybe  I can do something with photshop..and here is the WIP:



All the field from scratch with photoshop. It´s far from over but I think that looks good. What do you guys think?

Edit: I took your idea of the info panel xD


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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #46 on: 2017-06-29 21:58:09 »
Wow Kaldarasha that looks really good.

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #47 on: 2017-06-30 00:49:09 »
Quick edit :



It´s going good. I think that I will finish this weekend xD
« Last Edit: 2017-06-30 01:15:36 by jusete »

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Re: New field scenes, just need some help achieving it
« Reply #48 on: 2017-07-01 21:34:50 »
Damn, Kaldarasha. Your upscale looks amazing. Please make a tutorial how you did that if you have some time.  :D

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« Reply #49 on: 2017-07-02 16:54:17 »
And here you go guys:



I changed the style of the litle circles and the info screen. What do you guys think?
« Last Edit: 2017-07-02 17:08:50 by jusete »