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Re: Blue-Ray Launches Next Week!
« Reply #1 on: 2006-06-15 23:42:23 »
Yahoo is down. Which completely sucks, because I need to access yahoo mail.

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« Reply #2 on: 2006-06-16 02:18:30 »
Fine.
BLU-ray shall fail
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« Reply #3 on: 2006-06-16 08:13:23 »
Want to back that up with....say, A reason?!



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« Reply #4 on: 2006-06-16 10:24:16 »
blue ray shall fail
How about Blu-ray then?

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« Reply #5 on: 2006-06-16 13:17:50 »
Want to back that up with....say, A reason?!
Just in case it wasn't just his inner fanboy speaking, how about the great list of Sony's successful proprietary formats? :-P

Granted, there usually is a first time for everything. :-)

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« Reply #6 on: 2006-06-16 14:13:03 »
THE FUTURE IS IN BETA!

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« Reply #7 on: 2006-06-16 15:18:23 »
Want to back that up with....say, A reason?!
Just in case it wasn't just his inner fanboy speaking, how about the great list of Sony's successful proprietary formats? :-P

Granted, there usually is a first time for everything. :-)

Now now, the UMD isnt *that* bad..  Infact I quite like it :D

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« Reply #8 on: 2006-06-16 17:58:55 »
How about Blu-ray then?
My bad, Fixed

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« Reply #9 on: 2006-06-16 22:44:31 »
Actually I think that He was referring to me  because I said Blue ray would fail.


Just in case it wasn't just his inner fanboy speaking, how about the great list of Sony's successful proprietary formats? :-P

Granted, there usually is a first time for everything. :-)

I'm not a fanboy of anything really, I just hate Sony,  trying to eat all my money.

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« Reply #10 on: 2006-06-17 07:55:59 »
Actually I think that He was referring to me  because I said Blue ray would fail.


Just in case it wasn't just his inner fanboy speaking, how about the great list of Sony's successful proprietary formats? :-P

Granted, there usually is a first time for everything. :-)

I'm not a fanboy of anything really, I just hate Sony,  trying to eat all my money.

Dont buy any of their stuff then fool.

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« Reply #11 on: 2006-06-17 08:03:06 »
That's a good idea but then again I'd eventually regret not getting a PS3.

The PS2 for the most part had way better games.  But I'm pretty sure this time it'll be different because of the Wii.  This console wore will go either to Nintendo or Microsoft.

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« Reply #12 on: 2006-06-17 08:44:34 »
So....you hate sony...but like the PS2 and want a PS3?


Your logic fails me.

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« Reply #13 on: 2006-06-17 09:17:47 »
Nay, I like a select few GAMES on the PS2 that are PS2 exclusive, Like KH 1&2.  Those are the most awesome games ever.  And if that happens with the PS3 then it'll suck because i'd miss out... so the only reason i'd want it is for a few super duper games... which i won't bay 600 dollars for the console anyways....

and about the logic thing.  I have none.

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« Reply #14 on: 2006-06-17 16:34:13 »
(...)The PS2 for the most part had way better games(..)

Hm...

(...)Nay, I like a select few GAMES on the PS2 that are PS2 exclusive, Like KH 1&2(..)

But you say this?

(...)and about the logic thing. I have none.

I see now.

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« Reply #15 on: 2006-06-17 17:11:24 »
Flame war, GO

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« Reply #16 on: 2006-06-17 19:40:44 »

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« Reply #17 on: 2006-06-17 20:05:34 »
Haha okay so I just completely contradicted myself.

Take the... Second quote seriously.  You know what, nevermind, don't take me seriously at all.

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« Reply #18 on: 2006-06-17 22:45:04 »
My FAVORITE part:

Quote from: http://www.ferrago.com/story/7834_2
(...)Then there's Sony's recent alienation of consumers (predominantly female) via the blatantly sexist and, frankly, bizarre Playstation Portable ad campaign that ran throughout the UK during winter and spring. These ads highlighted the PSP's various features, such as its download capabilities, by stating "Spend A Night In Paris Here", a not especially subtle reference to the Paris Hilton sex tape. Or there's the focus on the PSP's photographic transfer ability via Memory Stick Duo, by stating "Your Girlfriend's White Bits Here", suggesting 'boys' would like to do nothing more worthwhile with a PSP than carry naked pictures of their partners on it. And, finally, there's "Escape From Your Girlfriend's Pointless Questions Here", which leads 'boys' (again) to lose themselves in a UMD movie rather than speanding time with their girlfriend. And it wasn't just limited to the UK either, as a similarly banal and offensive graffiti-based PSP ad campaign caused considerable furore in the US too. Both ad campaigns add up to yet more indications that Sony could be growing disassociated with its consumers(...)

Oh, please! Sony was just trying to make someone smile, and I'll admit, reading that tugged the corners of my mouth.

Anybody that would be offended by that should seriously just drop dead. The only people that should be offended by that are:

1) Over-reactive feminists/soccer mom-esque women ("I can't believe I bought that machine for my little Timmy with which he can download evils like PORN! I know him, he'll never look at that smut!")
2) Guys who can't get any

And, anyone that won't continue buying Sony products because of that ad weren't ever true Sony customers to begin with.

--Oh and believe me I know: those bastards! They're the first ones in history to demean females, even though that was in an entirely joking fashion.

It might not have been the smartest marketing ploy, but people need to lighten up.

Quote from: http://www.ferrago.com/story/7834_2
(...)The day of reckoning fast approaches, and 17 November 2006 will reveal much. Of course, the Playstation 3 will receive masses of consumer loyalty, and will most likely still emerge as the next-gen market leader(...)

Amen to that. I will most definitely have my PS3 by November (lucky me, my birthday happens to coincide within about week and a half following the release of the PS3. Hopefully getting a little birthday cash will help refill the likely gaping hole in my pocket after the PS3).

So yeah. I'll admit it. As much as I love Sony, their console will not be cheap, and they'll likely lose out a little bit. I'll also freely admit that Nintendo has a very good chance of taking the reins of gaming in the near future. I still don't hold out much hope, as always, for Microsoft, though. Not like it matters much to them, though.

EDIT: Fixed some grammatical and spelling errors...these huge posts of mine tend to be full of 'em.
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« Reply #19 on: 2006-06-18 04:12:53 »
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Anybody that would be offended by that should seriously just drop dead.
Really?  Would you be so willing to condone the deprivation of female respect if it was any other company besides Sony?

Your ad-hominem approach to this topic really doesn’t help your stance.


How about, 3) Men who actually believe that woman should be treated with respect as equals?
How about, 4) Men who don’t appreciate being classified as having the stereotypical attitude wherein they must inherently be sex-crazed hormone-driven punks wearing wife-beaters and ignoring their girlfriends (and of course, the only reason you get a “girlfriend” but then proceed to ignore her is because you just want to use her for sex).

And by the way, that soccer mom happens to compose the largest share of the market, at least for personal-computer gaming.
For console gaming, mommy and daddy are the largest share of the market.  That’s right, even more than all those hardcore fanboys.



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And, anyone that won't continue buying Sony products because of that ad weren't ever true Sony customers to begin with.
Doesn’t that statement just exemplify the problem?
Most companies are trying to broaden their market, appealing to people who aren’t “true customers” yet as well as those who are.
Not test them to see if they are so blindly dedicated they will overlook any and all class-bereft propaganda for the simple sake of proving loyalty.


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So yeah. I'll admit it. As much as I love Sony, their console will not be cheap
You are Sony’s perfect “chump”.
They have you in their pocket so badly you can’t even see how bad it is.


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« Reply #20 on: 2006-06-18 04:18:04 »
Oh, please! Sony was just trying to make someone smile...
...just like every other advertiser who uses humor in their ads. It sounds oh-so-innocent when you say that they were just trying to make someone smile. :P

It's very selective advertising, aimed at young male demographic. I'm not going comment on whether anyone should take offense at such ads, but it was clear that some people would and even Sony had to realize that. They just figured that it would do more good than harm, that there would be more customers gained from that demographic than there would be lost from the soccer mom-demographic. Who themselves are probably not very important group to Sony, but they do pay little Timmy's toys and in the end tell what little Timmy will be playing with.

It's also of some interest that the campaign ran in Europe, instead of the somewhat more puritan US.

Personally I find Sony's attempts to get this so called street cred with their campaigns (especially the graffiti-one, but in general too) very, very sad and pathetic. Basically Sony has been running lots of image-building ads since the launch of PS2, probably even earlier too. Damn, if you have to sell your console by saying how cool it is, there's something really wrong with it. :)

And, anyone that won't continue buying Sony products because of that ad weren't ever true Sony customers to begin with.
Pray tell, what is a true Sony customer? Something akin to true believer? It sure sounds like that. :P

--Oh and believe me I know: those bastards! They're the first ones in history to demean females, even though that was in an entirely joking fashion.

It might not have been the smartest marketing ploy, but people need to lighten up.
They might have been the first to do it to sell a console, though. :P

I believe that the thing many people - including me - have issues with, is how these ads are apparently aimed at the lowest common denominator. And I feel that that rather insults my intelligence. :)

If one wants to do such advertising, one would be well advised to do it in a self-deprecating manner. For example Microsoft's 'Play with yourself'-ad for DOAX. It's funny, it's silly and it makes gentle fun of the target demographic, which in general makes it much more acceptable to people who would find it otherwise offensive. Sony's ads... well, they appear about as arrogant as Kutaragi himself, and completely without an ability to laugh at themselves.


Oh, couple of things from the article itself:

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...and claimed that a new and improved controller was in the pipeline.
I remember the comments, but can anyone find a direct quote? Because I would love to know who said it, especially if it was mr Blunder, Kutaragi himself. :P

In itself the that's nothing to laugh at. But seeing how the 'improved' controller is just the old one, with rumble taken out of it and motion sensors - borrowed from Nintendo - put in, it gives entirely new meanings to the word 'improved'.

I guess that you could say that it's improved over the old controller, even though rumble is gone, but improved over the boomerang? Wouldn't that mean that Sony designed a controller that was worse than their previous one? :P

I swear, Ken must be some long lost relative of George W Bush; they both do okay as long as they don't open their mouths. But may God have mercy on the people whose job it is to explain what these dudes say, if they start to speak. :P

As far as the systems are concerned, I have no particular preference, but should Sony fail with PS3 I will be laughing so hard. Not at Sony, but at Kutaragi. And I hope that he's man enough to perform seppuku after his failure. Because it must be his fault. It is Playstation 3, after all. Like he said himself. It simply is not possible that Playstation 3 could fail. :-D

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"If you consider the Playstation 3 a toy, then yes, it is an expensive toy. However, it is more than a toy. It is a Playstation 3. And it is the only Playstation 3." Sony's arrogance seemingly knows no bounds, especially as the Playstation 3, while perhaps not a 'toy', is certainly not a Dialysis Machine either. A little perspective, if you please, Ken.
Thank you for the great idea, Ferrago!

Now I just need a photo of a patient undergoing dialysis (preferably *very* happy looking patient), a picture of PS3 and Ken's (yet another) great quote. :-D

This is the stuff great photoshops are made of. :)


EDIT: Just a minor thing from Spiro's post... not really about respect, but about being treated as equals.
How about, 3) Men who actually believe that woman should be treated with respect as equals?
Well, if those ads had been making references to men, instead of women, would you have been offended? Answer honestly, now. :)

Because I wouldn't have been. Even the beauty contests for men - or what the heck they are called - don't offend in any way. I do find them hilariously campy, and often have doubts about the sanity of the contestants, but I don't find them offensive in any way.

Hell, there are calendars that have semi-nekkid dudes posing in them. And I know for a fact that women buy such things, because I personally came across one in a girl's room. Made me chuckle, really. So, women objectify men just like men objectify women, it's just less obvious and blatant.

Women even watch pr0n, btw. :P
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« Reply #21 on: 2006-06-18 06:48:41 »
That wasn’t really the context in which I was making my point.

The idea of treating women as pure equals, either by treating women as if they were men, or by treating men as if they were women, raises a scope of issues far to expansive and controversial for my tastes (though something can be said about the fact that being treated “as a man” is different from being treated “as a woman”).

My point was on a more personal level—that is, how I would treat my own girlfriend in a relationship.
Sony tries to be cute by suggesting that all women have nothing to say but meaningless banter whose soul intent must be to cause men, who apparently are the only ones capable of meaningful output, to escape into a world of UMV, conveniently provided by Sony.
Let’s not forget that men just want to stare at their girlfriends’ naughty bits all day, because of course meaningful relationships is a concept altogether lost on gamers.

So, wait.  Sony is trying to “buy” my good graces by accusing me of being a male-elitist unsociable prick?
The very type of human who does need to drop dead?

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Anybody that would be offended by that should seriously just drop dead.
The irony with this is that those women who got offended by this ad are mostly normal every-day people who just want to live their lives in peace, fall in love, have a family, and be happy.  What exactly did they do wrong to deserve this offensive ad?  Be born?


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I believe that the thing many people - including me - have issues with, is how these ads are apparently aimed at the lowest common denominator. And I feel that that rather insults my intelligence.
Correct.
But not only to my intelligence, but to my character.
It is completely offensive on every level when Sony thinks they are going to appeal to me by telling me I can download porn and post naughty pictures of my dear girlfriend.


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« Reply #22 on: 2006-06-18 13:12:18 »
How about 5) People who can't take a joke? Jesus, I've seen much more raw (racist) jokes flourish; an ad campaign with some exaggurated commentary on (male) "gamers" doesn't strike me as the end of the world. As if anyone who's ever been engrossed in a game (and had a girlfriend, admittedly that cuts the numbers down a bit) doesn't recognize the sentiment? And as if you'd honestly think that's what you're expected to do all the time? Jeez, for once there comes an ad with a bit of masculine humor, and a PC SWAT (Sensitive Words And Topics) team raids the place. Hint: it's funny because it's based on something true. It's okay to laugh at caricatures of sexist men, hell it'd even be okay to laugh at it if this was how all relationships looked. But seeing it in an ad doesn't force you to goddamn duplicate it, as little as playing GTA forces you to steal cars -- but you can still enjoy it. But by all means, go ahead and watch entirely humorless boring ads instead, or laugh forcibly at politically correct "jokes" where you only wish you could identify yourself with it. I put forth that if you shun this joke and claim "I would never treat my girlfriend like that", you're probably either a) lying, or b) haven't been in a long-term relationship. There are extremely few "perfect matches" out there, live with it.

Bet you if the ad had featured women using PSPs in similar, slightly sexist ways, there wouldn't be a beep worth of complaints, and definitely not angry news stories being written about it. How's that for equality? Men take the same beatings quietly without complaint, because somehow it's what's expected of us. Well screw that; that's not equality for women, that's submission and vengeance. Now, a campaign featuring both male and female PSP gamers would probably be the most politically correct thing to do, but then you'd still get the complaints because a part of it was offensive to women (even if the other part would then technically be as offensive to men). It's a brave new world, where it's offensive with male > female but not the other way around. Yay feminism!

Me I consider myself a proud masculinist, of the Maddox school. While somehow the term "feminist" has come to signify "supporting equal gender rights" or even "supporting women's revenge on men and the patriarchical society", I still claim "masculinist" to simply mean "being proud to be a man". That's not in any way exclusive of respecting women, quite the opposite, I love women; just that I'm tired of having to walk a finer line in today's politically correct society just because I'm male. Nor should I feel ashamed and apologetic just because I'm male. Yet I look around and watch politicians making laws giving women preference for top jobs, men being jailed on the mere accusation of rape (women's testimony is practically proof enough), and even some suggestions on a "male tax" to finance spousal abuse reparations, because "most perpetrators are male". Hallelujah!

Quite a rant this became, sorry about that. I just get fumed up by uptight, ultra-sensitive (and often hypocritical) politically correct "feminists" who get all riled up about a relatively harmless joke just because it's about women. It's not like the guy is hitting or raping women, he's just a guy with apparently enough sensitivity to get a girlfriend, oh and he's human. So what now, is it henceforth improper to joke about relationships unless the man unconditionally exists to serve the woman without regard for his own needs, or maybe to joke about women entirely? Based on gender equality then, of course joking about men will also become improper. And then with animal rights, no jokes about animals either. Hmm, that cuts down on the possible jokes a bit... but what about plants? There we go, from now on all jokes will be based on the "two tomatoes were crossing the road..." template. Yay! "Ha-ha-ha"!

Morons.

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« Reply #23 on: 2006-06-18 14:39:33 »
Bet you if the ad had featured women using PSPs in similar, slightly sexist ways, there wouldn't be a beep worth of complaints, and definitely not angry news stories being written about it.
Wha?! In such case I would demand that Nearly Emasculated, Urban, Totally Effeminated and Redundant takes immediate action! :P

Hmm, that cuts down on the possible jokes a bit... but what about plants? There we go, from now on all jokes will be based on the "two tomatoes were crossing the road..." template. Yay! "Ha-ha-ha"!
No fair. NEUTER told me to talk to my plants, it makes them happy. I'm sure that they would be most offended by such remarks. :cry:

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« Reply #24 on: 2006-06-18 16:51:16 »
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How about 5) People who can't take a joke?
Ah, that would lend them a convenient win-win situation, wouldn’t it?  Of course, the ad is meant to appeal to whomever, so if those people think it is clever, mission accomplished.  But when the other side claims it’s offensive, well no problem, because it was just a joke, right?  They should lighten up!

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I've seen much more raw (racist) jokes flourish
I hope that’s not actually intended as justification.

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Hint: it's funny because it's based on something true.
Again, I’m not seeing why that should be justification.  If tobacco companies showed their consumers dying in hospitals from lung cancer, would that be funny, because it’s true?
How about making the dying people into caricatures who comically take one last swig off the cigarette, look at the camera, then say, “I’d die for that.”  Then fall down dead.  Ah, it’s so funny, because the guy chose to smoke all his life, and he died, ha.
If you consider this out of context because cigarettes kill while posting pictures of your girlfriend’s naughty bits doesn’t “harm” anyone, try looking at it from another perspective.
Both take otherwise tragic real-life situations and try to put a humorous spin on them, all for the sake of getting into your pocket, even though of course it means keeping the travesty going.
Of course, in my example, most people can actually see the tragic side to the story, so it won’t quite work as well as hiding the tragedy in an empty meaningless shallow relationship.

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But seeing it in an ad doesn't force you to goddamn duplicate it, as little as playing GTA forces you to steal cars
I’m not sure you’re seeing the point.
I never at all suggested that the problem with laughing at their ads is that it would force me to then become the people in the ads doomed to a life of failed relationships.
I’m not laughing at their ads because it’s a personal offense. Why is it personal?  Why wouldn’t it be?  I’m the target of that ad, aren’t I?  I’m the one they want to buy their products.  So, doesn’t that suggest somehow that they must have tailored that ad for me?  So, doesn’t that suggest that they think I’m a self-righteous male-supremist prick who wouldn’t know a meaningful relationship if it bit me on the ass?  I sense some friction!
Hark!  For me to consider their ad a direct insult to my character and intelligence must mean I am too sensitive!  After all, I’ve never had a problem with Nintendo’s ads or Microsoft’s ads, even though I don’t even like Microsoft, so of course it’s my own sensitivity that would cause an issue out of the blue where none had been before.
And yet, millions of others noticed this same level of offense and one guy even found it worthy of mentioning in an article.

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if you shun this joke and claim "I would never treat my girlfriend like that", you're probably either a) lying
Well, obviously not in my case.
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or b) haven't been in a long-term relationship.
Again, I’m not sure why this is relevant.  Are you actually suggesting that all long-term relationships involving male gamers must somehow, at some point, include a stage where the male posts stickers of his girlfriend’s naughty bits on his day-to-day tools?  I’ll give you grace in the issue of “pointless” questions, only because there usually is some point where both sides have some tussle and feel the other side’s questions/issues are pointless.  But I’m not sure why encouraging them to “escape” from it is more responsible than encouraging them to work it out.

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There are extremely few "perfect matches" out there, live with it.
Oh, I certainly live with it.  I just don’t try to turn it into a comical situation to extort money from people.


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Bet you if the ad had featured women using PSPs in similar, slightly sexist ways, there wouldn't be a beep worth of complaints
Again, not the issue.
#1: No, I wouldn’t care if people attacked me in the same way.  Why?  Because I myself can handle it.  I decided on my own to simply ignore it.  Others may feel bad for me, just as I would feel bad for them being attacked, but because I can handle my own attacks means I am a hypocrite?
#2: That’s not the issue; my anger doesn’t stem from them attacking one group or another.  It stems from them assuming I am clueless to the concept of a meaningful relationship, then trying to put a happy spin on that to get into my wallet.



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I just get fumed up by uptight, ultra-sensitive (and often hypocritical) politically correct "feminists" who get all riled up about a relatively harmless joke just because it's about women.
Again this was never the issue.
As I stated one post ago, the issues governing sexual equality are not areas where I care to tread.
I thought I had made this clear in my reply to Sad Jari.
Yes, I used my girlfriend (when I have one) as an example to relate to the situation, but the issue here is personal.  It isn’t about the attacks they made to them, it’s about the ways they offended me.


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