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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3375 on: 2017-02-14 23:36:33 »
Two man job localization wise.  ;D  Luksy is always there.  But definitely needed a proof check of the Japanese.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3376 on: 2017-02-15 05:13:15 »
Of course!

How could I even forget Lusky for a moment?

His contribution to Beacause must have been truly invaluable. I am actually wondering now how many man hours Lusky and you have put into Reunion since the very start. It must be a rather scary number...  ;D
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3377 on: 2017-02-15 05:29:02 »
Too scary to think about :P

Global Timer is now fixed too.  I've  rewritten it to use QPC.  My old attempt relies on the firings of the game engine - and it isn't right (you'll see the timer go out by at least a second every minute).  I've factored in pauses from all modules.  So if you pause the game (even in a minigame) - the timer will stop.  The timer is not affected by the FPS of the modules. One second always equals one second in the real world.

The countdown timer and other frame based timers I have added - are dependent on FPS.  Hence they are frame-based.  Only the global timer (the main game timer you see in the menu) will be real time.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3378 on: 2017-02-15 15:33:07 »
I am actually wondering now how many man hours Lusky and you have put into Reunion since the very start. It must be a rather scary number...  ;D
Consider this: I put a TON of hours just into an English proofread. I wasn't translating anything, I wasn't comparing anything. I was just going through to make sure there were no errors with commas, duplicated words, sloppy grammar and spelling, etc. And it took me a couple months of lunch breaks and weekends.

Now consider: I had one of the easiest jobs on this project.

Yeah, I don't even wanna imagine how much work DLPB and Luksy have put in. My brain doesn't have room to ponder that much time at once.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3379 on: 2017-02-16 00:09:35 »
Yeah, you've stuck with the project and done a full English proof read also.  So it's really been a three man job.  Only three people so far have managed to wade through all of the files.  It's only been missing a proofread of the Japanese v Beacause, which we may now finally get.

Additionally, certain music tracks are going to need redoing because I can hear a pop sound at loop point.  Possibly bass.dll is more unforgiving than vgmstream in regards to the loop. Besides, I know now you're supposed to fade in a few ms and fade out at the end (you can't detect this).  So the loop point is zeroed.  Something I was not doing before.


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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3380 on: 2017-02-16 14:38:57 »
ff7ddraw will come with some mandatory fixes - and some that only The Reunion needed.  So far, the mandatory fixes are:

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1. Field Game Over. The original PC version only sets the music volume to 127 and
does nothing else. I have rewritten the function to stop all sound effects and play the
Game Over music.   

2. World Map markers (colours were wrong).

3. World Map map position.

4. Bug (being able to see the end of the world map texture) caused by sharp turn Highwind fixed.

5. Highwind square button to move anywhere disabled.

6. Field opcode 5C added. Missing from PC version originally.

7. HextLaunch functionality added automatically. Much easier to customize to specific mods also.

8. Encounter rate fixed by NFITC1

9. Music Lock operation fixed.

10. Opening FMV timing to Barrett's arm moving fixed.

11. Bug. Enemy models resized after death. Fixed.

12. Sense Limit increased to 65535.

13. Help menu in battle will not repeatedly open and close when Select is held.

14. Bug. Enemy models resized when placed in Minimum status and then killed. Fixed.

15. Fort Condor: game can be sped up further than before.

16. Select will not pause the Fort Condor minigame.  Only Start.

17. Cursor fix in Swap Menu by Dziugo

18. Field centred. I may expand this to add borders correctly to all modules, like PSX,
 but that might be overkill.

19. Screen transitions are faster.

20. The Reunion only: Quit menu removed.


Optional:

1. Frame Limiter and speed control and FMV skip (1x, 2x, 4x, 8x) (forced
when using The Reunion). I am hoping to expand my own function to every
module, but this may be a problem since  Aali's driver has taken over G-Bike,
 Coaster,  Snowboard, and Battle Swirl. I'll look into bypassing it in favour of mine.

Field (30), World Map (30), Battle (15 or 60 depending on if 60fps battles enabled),
Menu (60), Chocobo (30), Fort Condor (30), Credits (60), Game Over (60) 

Are all fixed. No original code is used - it's all mine.   This does mean that Ochu
won't be able to change fps with this option enabled, but speed control makes
that redundant anyway.  Speed up is now Select + Square (it will return to 1x after 8x).

2. Second confirmation in battle menu.

3. When using 1, or The Reunion: All timers/counters are frame based -
including main game timer. Very accurate compared to original, since new frame
limiter is also very accurate.

4. Audio replacement mod.  Almost finished. Replaces all music and SFX with OGG -
 including the "wav" effects (like wind.wav). Also adds Tempo operation without
affecting pitch. Akao fade function added.  Akao completely replaced. All battle
sound effect calls replaced. Because this is a full replacement, many bugs have been
fixed - including missing sound effects (like Cloud's Omnislash), and effects not
playing again after battle has ended.



To - Do

1. Make credits screen behave like the PSX version.
2. Finish making ogg files from PSX SFX.
3. See if the colouring can be fixed. The world map stands out like a sore thumb compared to PSX.  Something is very very wrong here.
4. See if I can add in return to credits with PSXFF7 reset from any module - rather than current fix forcing Game Over from 2 modules.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3381 on: 2017-02-16 15:29:11 »
Besides, I know now you're supposed to fade in a few ms and fade out at the end (you can't detect this).
Not necessarily with loops. If the loop point is sample precise, and the beginning of the loop continues right where the end of the loop left off at such a precise level, then you don't want any fades at all. If you do so and there's still a pop, that's an indication the player is either jumping back too soon or adding extra space between the end and start of the loop.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3382 on: 2017-02-16 15:36:27 »
It still seems to need it, perhaps because of the way they've looped it in the OST means there is no zero intersection or perfect alignment (and once it's been compressed, the waveform can change anyway). There is no point I have found that the loop point is zeroed on both sides.  Plus finding the exact loop point is a pain in the ass anyway.  For the sake of a small undetectable misalignment of the loop point - it's best to just fade in on one side and fade out on the other.  I think vgmstream is doing this regardless... whereas bass.dll is not.  So you get away with nothing with the latter.  I've verified the issue isn't bass by looping the exact sections in adobe... the click is there too.  Until I add the fade in and out - or find a zero on both ends - or the exact loop point (which probably doesn't match up perfectly even when sample perfect). It's annoying.  The click will be there if given any chance whatsoever.

Edit 200.

Also....  I've found the fade has to be a log fade in. Gives more of  a flat that you can use.  A normal linear fade still clicks :P

And that ends today.  Also fixed:

1. Reset field battle flag.  I think this should fix the teleport bug (although may need to reset other flags)
2. allow materia discard menu to use page up and page down
3. remove "Are you sure?" confirmation with delete materia.
4. Cait Sith stop reel sound effect


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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3383 on: 2017-02-17 04:30:41 »
Teleport bug:

I am looking into fixing this. Resetting the field battle var alone probably won't fix this bug entirely but looking at the memory region in question has proved very useful.  The temp flags the battle uses to decide what to do (like Game Over) are clearly not being reset to 0 when the credit screen is shown. World map module does not touch them for the most part, so they stay relevant for world map battles (which is how the bug with Yuffie manifests itself). The flags are only corrected properly when a field module is loaded.  So getting Game Over, loading on world map, and then entering Yuffie battle allows for erroneous flags to be checked.

Zeroing the two specific vars I have found *should* fix this - but I am wondering whether I should just zero the entire section, which is how it is set on a first game load.  I'll do some more checking.  Gonna go load the Yuffie bug and see if resetting these two vars (it's probably only one of the vars relevant to this particular bug anyway. The other I recall is a separate bug) corrects the issue.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3384 on: 2017-02-17 10:18:45 »
It's more complicated than I thought. Will look into it more.

edit. 



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sigh...

edit 2.

Think I have it.  8)
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3385 on: 2017-02-19 14:24:00 »
Dan does your new way to handle the music mean that oa can be played when selecting a new game instead to have attached to the video.

I would appreciate it if you could add the borders to all modules.

One last thing can be the DirectInput replaced with XInput plugin?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3386 on: 2017-02-19 14:44:16 »
1. 0a could be put back in with an option.  I'll see about doing that at a much later time. I certainly can't force it since that would break numerous people's game. Including mine.

2. Border adding may prove tricky and time consuming for v little gain, so this will be a really distant future thing if at all.

3. That would also mean a lot of work for little gain (I'd also have to learn how dxinput etc works and make it work with ff7) - plus Aali's driver is messing around with it.  I doubt I'll be touching it. Currently, my joypad works fine with ff7.  is there some issue?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3387 on: 2017-02-19 19:20:48 »
You do use a PS2 controller, don't you? I have a Xbox360 controller, with what the game has a problem with the controllers triggers. But, while I have written you my request I found a tool which actually does what I needed:Xinput Plus.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3388 on: 2017-02-20 17:02:40 »
Currently, my joypad works fine with ff7.  is there some issue?
There is an issue with Xinput that causes Xinput-based controllers running in DirectInput mode to treat the analog triggers as a single axis; left is negative and right is positive. They work fine in most games pushed individually, but cancel each other when used together, and are only seen by DirectInput apps as axes, not buttons. This is less a bug and more a really, really stupid design decision on Microsoft's part.

The software Kaldarasha linked works around this problem pretty well, so it's not a huge deal, but it is nicer when games have native XInput support to avoid this problem entirely without the need of third-party mapping software.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3389 on: 2017-02-20 17:54:02 »
It would give us further the ability to add some nice features into the game, such as analog control (which I think will be a tough one to implement) and rumble (this is fairly easy to implement. We only need to attach specific rumble script files to the current played sound. Though, the tough part will be to create the rumble scripts). This might be also interesting for FF8 on PC since the psx has that features. Anyway that's nothing for now, it would be enough to swap to xinput.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3390 on: 2017-02-20 18:35:06 »
with my new dll - yeah, the sound v rumble would be easier.  I can tell you without it, it would not. It sounds "easy" to replace all the sound but it isn't.  It means rewriting it all.  Luckily, that's what I've done.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3391 on: 2017-02-22 05:50:20 »
I heard about this mod on eurogamer nearly 2 years ago, and always meant to check it out. I just downloaded and unzipped the .exe but it's not working for me. The first screen with sephiroth looks fine but the next screen with the disclaimer is not formatted correctly, the buttons at the very bottom of the screen are only partially visible, it is possible to guess which is which but when you continue the formatting is also wrong on the next screen with the 'next' button overlapping the cancel. When I press next it takes me back to the disclaimer page, cancel still cancels installation. I tried on both 05 and 03 and the same thing happens on both.

I'm attempting to run on Windows 10 with the the steam edition.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3392 on: 2017-02-22 10:00:34 »
The font size dpi in Windows has to be set to 100%. Other programs out there will also have issues when you don't. I'm not sure how many, but it does happen.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3393 on: 2017-02-22 13:31:52 »
shikun (Charlie Beer) is well on his way. A much needed addition to the team.

And meanwhile I am adding numerous options and fixes to my DLL.  60fps battles, frame based timers (for main clock, countdown, snowboard, submarine), new frame limiter, field centring, corrected coaster aimer - and more :)

It's looking very good!  ;D

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3394 on: 2017-02-23 03:30:26 »
Hello, I have a question about the translation of "curse slash", which is "凶斬り" in japanese. As long as I know, chinese character 凶 has meaning similar to 'violent' or 'bad' (and is far from 'curse') and 斬 means 'slash'. And Cloud swings his sword in "凶" shaped track, which was probably why the name was translated as "cross slash" in the original translation. Is it really sure the name should be translated to "curse slash"?

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« Reply #3395 on: 2017-02-23 08:43:51 »
It's a Japanese character too with a different meaning - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%87%B6#Japanese

凶 (hiragana きょう, romaji kyō)
ill fortune

"Ill fortune."

See The Reunion Database (link on first post)

It is an ill fortuned attack because the attack can inflict paralysis.

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Single physical attack with three slices dealing 31⁄4 times normal damage and inflicting paralysis.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3396 on: 2017-02-23 21:42:56 »
I know this has been done to death, so I apologise in advance. You must get this all the time. Sorry.

I'm still in the camp of people who are worried to try Beacause simply because the apparent adherence to literal translations (which I know you deny). I can't think of a better example of this than the changing of Phoenix Down to Phoenix Tail... simply because you were (apparently) unfamiliar with "down" to mean feathers and think "tail" is more explicitly (and literally) correct. Meanwhile, every other FF game in existence uses "Down" and, additionally, it makes perfect sense that it's a rare part of the mythical bird that grants life -- its down.

Looking through the document, I see that there are other literal changes that remove flavour: Eg. Hyper becomes the very literal and dull "Stimulant". Megalixir becomes "Last Elixir", which doesn't help a new player understand that's a more powerful version of an Elixir. Shrapnel becomes "Bomb's Fragment" (shrapnel is the perfect word for this). Bikini Briefs becomes "Bikini Underwear". It's hard to see why these changes are better.

And there are lots more unnecessary changes, too: Lance becomes Pike. Sector becomes District. Staff becomes Rod. Armlet becomes Bracelet. Glove becomes Gauntlet. Mallet becomes Hammer. Pot becomes Vase. These words are synonymous with each other, and didn't need to be changed at all.

There are times when a translation is very difficult, like the comedic/absurd "Orthopedic Underwear", implying the underwear was too old for Tifa at the time. This was changed to "Frilly Underwear", which loses all intention, even though it reads better. "Game Over" becomes "All Over". "Greased Lightning" becomes "Flash Lightning". "Head Hunter" becomes "Neck Hunter". All of which lose intention in the re-translation.

Qhimm's concern about changing things that a Japanese person would consider common into something an English player would be confused about are present, too. Consider changing Amulet to Omamori. A Japanese player would know this was an amulet... which is what it was called in the original translation, but an English player is left scratching their heads. Same goes for Hachimaki, a Japanese headband, which was called Headband in the original. And again with changing Autograph to Signed Shikishi.

That said, I'm unbelievably impressed by the attention to detail, and there are COUNTLESS examples when your translation is a genuine, undebatable correction. In those instances it's fantastic.

I should really reserve judgement until I feel brave enough to actually try the translation for myself. It's not fair to complain without having done that. So feel free to ignore me (I actually fully expect you to, you must have responded to these sorts of comments hundreds of times by now).

I do have one question I'd love for you to respond to, though: How many Japanese characters did FFVII have?

I wonder if we could Kickstart a fund to have Alexander O Smith do a proper translation... You've actually done a great deal of the heavy lifting, including the creation of software tools to make the job easier.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3397 on: 2017-02-23 22:21:09 »
I don't know why this phoenix tail thing keeps cropping up (and, no offence, but perhaps it's because the people who keep repeating it are the ones who haven't played the retranslation).  There is a choice in the installer for this and many other choices we made that are correct.  It has nothing to do with literalism (there are tons of examples in there where we clearly opt for a non literal name  - "Enigma" is one of them). It's getting very annoying to keep having to defend localization choices that are optional.

LAST ELIXIR
PHOENIX TAIL
RAMU
MOGURI
HIGH POTION
DISTRICT

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CAN ALL BE CHANGED TO THEIR ORIGINAL (and incorrect) LOCALIZATIONS WITH AN OPTION IN THE INSTALLER. 
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The terms above are correct.  They were intended to be used by the original staff, but I accept that not everyone will want to use them.  Hence why an option is there. I am certainly not going to start adding options for "pikes" and other such nonsense. I've already stated 1000 times that the non dialogue is finalized. I am happy with it. I've made concessions, and I have made some things (including many character names) completely optional. I will go no further.

Edit.

I also suggest you wait for R06.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3398 on: 2017-02-24 08:00:05 »
Yes, I see that option, and I installed it with those options enabled last night. It's good to see that the characters haven't lost their voices. (Even Barrat still speaks similarly, despite what I'd feared.) However your response is completely besides the point of my post. It doesn't matter one bit that you give options to not change them. That's got nothing to do with what my post is about at all.

Let's not discuss my thoughts on your decisions further.

I would, however, love to hear an answer to my question. Roughly how many Japanese characters would you estimate the game has?
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #3399 on: 2017-02-24 08:28:25 »
I hope this is the place to report this. I have found a possible error in the Mideel section of the game, where you find Cloud after he got Mako-poisoned. Yuffie says: "Hey, Doc, is Cloud going to okay?" Shouldn't it be: "...is Cloud going to be okay?"

Now, I know that this might have been corrected in the latest version, but, in the 7th Catalog, that's the version we have. Since this is the main Reunion thread, I thought it'd be best to post it here.

Related screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/lVS95