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Title: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-14 16:48:34
Any GoT fans around?  Well, here are my thoughts - posted on imdb.

Contains spoilers.

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Season 1 to 4 = 10/10.

TVW = TV writers.

Since the TV show left the books behind (around S5 on), the show's writing has gotten worse and worse. I think the first poor episode was probably the one where Arya is being pursued by the T- 1000. It was utterly absurd. But this season (s7) has been by far the worst.

Aside from the odd decent moment, and the awesome spectacle of the dragons, it has been average at best. Melodrama has replaced a proper narrative. Contrivances have replaced logic. Let me give you some examples:

1. Daenerys has spent her entire time planning to invade Westeros. And when it was finally time to do so, the dumb TVW threw a spoke in the wheel. Out of nowhere, she suddenly can't hurt any bystanders, so holds off the attack on King's Landing (Yeah, 'cause she hasn't had to hurt any innocent people in order to get to the position she is in now, has she!?) This silly little contrivance is designed to prolong Cersei on the throne (itself a really dumb idea) as long as possible in the most artificial way possible. The TVW are completely shitting on logic in order to force this demented Mexican standoff. The latest episode goes even further... A proposed alliance between Cersei and Daenerys and Jon - to defeat the Army of the Dead. Jon and co have to prove to Cersei that the army is real by capturing one of the living dead. Just think about how DUMB that sounds. As if Tyrion, or Daenerys, would be entertaining anything of the sort, especially at this moment in time. Tyrion would never even advise it, because he isn't stupid enough to trust his sister for ANY REASON.

2. The long awaited reunion of characters was handled in a really clumsy way. It was dreadful. Where was the real emotion with Sansa- Arya or Bran-Sansa? It was non existent. It was like these people were just ordinary buddies who chanced upon a meeting. I was really looking forward to seeing the reunions, because we have been waiting since SEASON 1 for it. What a complete let down that was.

3. Characters are everywhere at any time, as if they have a teleportation device. Daenerys hears that the Lannisters have taken Highgarden - and the next minute, her army is right there with Jaime in the thick of it. The continuity has gone out of the window. Whatever the writers want to happen happens. Magic wand, LAZY writing.

4. Melodrama / soap opera nonsense. In the last episode (S7E4), I had to suffer watching jaime being saved by Bronn in the most ridiculous way there is. The cliché and brainless 'last second save'. And then, as I fully expected, we open episode 5 to discover they haven't been captured and have miraculously managed to escape unscathed, floating in deep water while WEARING ARMOUR and A SWORD! Holy crap. That's what happens when you run out of actual genius (Martin's work) and have to work on your own crappy, limited brain (TVW).

5. Characters aren't behaving like they should be. I've already mentioned Daenerys in regards to this, but it extends across the board. Bran "OOooo I am suddenly not Bran anymore... but I can feel who he was" or some slop. He still hasn't explained ANYTHING to anyone, even though the world is about to do battle with a mortal threat that he understands better than any other person on the planet. Sansa's turned into some awful caricature, totally alien to who she is as a person. And don't give me the Ramsay bullshit, since that was a dumb TV move in the first place and never happens in the books. Cersei is somehow queen and ultimate ruler, and making logical tactical decisions. But, here's the thing, it's already been established long before now that she is a useless tactician, and a naive, childish brat, who has no leadership qualities. But that's all out now, because they need her to be a main antagonist on the show. Speaking of Cersei, her one remaining child died and her emotion to it was zero. That's after it being well established that her only reason for carrying on with life was her children. Oh, but let's just switch off our brains again. The TVW said it's all OK! Whoopi-doo.

6. Contrivances. For example, Jorah Mormont needs a cure. Suddenly, he's managed to trek to some sort of hostel hundreds and hundreds of miles away, seemingly to just die - where he meets up with Sam - who not only finds a cure in a random book, but manages to pull off the delicate procedure, explained within, at the first time of asking. Then Jorah is back with Daenerys super-quick time. It's just so damn lazy and transparent.

7. Dialogue. This has taken a big hit as well. It's always been the case that the writers think swearing is uber-cool and shoehorned it into as many places as possible - but now they are out of Martin's material, a lot of the meat is gone. Tyrion stands out the most. The TVW are in over their heads. They are out of their depth.

Does anyone think Martin will be remotely THIS incompetent? The TVW have always made a mess when changing things (very often for no sane reason) from the books. For example, army numbers and population numbers being exaggerated to absurd levels; ridiculous and unrealistic events, like Sansa marrying Ramsay; over the top swearing, sex, nudity - for no other reason than to appeal to the mindless, lowest common denominator. But this is worse.

It's still entertaining, but the quality slide after S1-4 is larger than people are admitting. Some cool scenes with dragons isn't making me blind and dumb to all these issues.

also see http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a10385746/game-of-thrones-season-7-flaws/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: hotdog963al on 2017-08-15 21:20:32
They're compressing an awful lot into a limited number of episodes, I quite like it having some pace for once.

If you want proper detail, stop watching it and wait for the books to be finished.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-16 04:54:16
It's not "proper detail" I want alone.  As I note in that post, it's simply S1-4 quality, which we are no longer getting in any shape or form. In fact, we aren't even getting near to s5-6 quality in places.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: gjoerulv on 2017-08-16 11:05:02
Even though I don't agree with everything, you're right. The quality has dropped significantly.

From the top of my head these are the root reasons of an inevitable downfall of series such as GoT:
1) Adapting a piece of fiction that is not yet completed.
2) Adjusting said piece to mainstream audience.
3) Increasing polarity => more attention from shareholders/etc. => Even more dumbed down content to please mainstream due to influence from more parties.

Also, I'm kinda pulling this one out my ass; haven't done any research, but I think they have a tighter budget now for GoT. Why else only seven episodes for this season?

I like fast-paced shows, but GoT is currently way too fast-paced for my liking. Ep5 is worst one yet.

All this being said, GoT is still one of the best shows out there imo. Damn shame it couldn't keep the quality up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-16 12:11:12
My biggest gripes are: the number of last second saves there suddenly are.  Characters that should be long gone, but survive like a brainless Hollywood movie; the pacing (teleportation device); and the cheap injection of stupid plots out of nowhere... like Sansa suddenly being at war with her sister.  All manufactured very quickly and unbelievably.

And, if you think Ep5 was bad with the rush job cop outs... just wait until Episode 6 (it was leaked). I just watched it and I gotta tell ya... it has the MOTHER of all cop outs.  It makes Jaime's survival seem realistic lmao.  The only word I have for it is Biblical.  It's a cop out of Biblical proportions!

Edit.  Yeah, I'm not sure what the TV writers are smoking to be honest.... they are clearly WAY out of their depth.  As bad as it can get that latest episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: Triggzy on 2017-08-19 06:35:10
Wait isn't the IMDB boards down? How did you post it on IMDB? Off-off topic question.

I'm not as big of a fan of the recent episodes where the writing seems weak and a bit outlandish, but I understand it needs to lead into an end-game for the story. Curious to see what it really will be.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: BPLD on 2017-08-19 15:17:47
Blue eyes white dragon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: gjoerulv on 2017-08-21 10:39:15
Episode 6... smh, what the actual fern...

It have to be the worst written episode yet. Teleportation confirmed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-21 16:12:50
I did warn you.  HAha.   But even worse was the way Jon got away... I mean..  it's just the very very worst abracadabra bullshit there is.  And a HOMING HORSE to go with it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-21 17:42:17
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur38586606/comments-expanded?order=date

Some of these dudes have actually switched vote after episode 6.  It was also 8-1 against me or something at one point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: hotdog963al on 2017-08-21 23:45:31
Perhaps you should have a go at re-writing the season, I'm sure it would be a good read.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-22 00:33:01
I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not (judging by your other post - it is), but in a serious answer - yes, it would certainly be better written if I did it.  It would take an enormous amount of my time for nothing though.  A better solution is to simply get annoyed at being short changed, try to enjoy what we've got (as much as possible), and be happy in the knowledge that Martin is on the case, and I'll soon be able to read what he's made, which is far superior to anything I can - and far far superior to what the lazy ass TV writers can.

But your two responses so far have basically amounted to telling me I have no right to criticize a work of fiction, and if that's the case, I can't help you. If you don't like it that people have the right to criticize poor writing or lackluster storytelling, that's your problem. I won't be stopping any time soon.  Ask the Star Trek fanboys.  :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: -Ric- on 2017-08-22 09:01:55
Well as far as "teleportation" while it does bother me, I kinda understand it. They had a ton of stuff to get done and only 7 episodes to do it... So yeah, I kind of expected that there would be a lot of time-skips in this season before it even came out.

As for how they survived in episode 6... Honestly, I believe that the Night's King simply let them go. The way he took out Viserion... He could have done the exact same thing to any of them. Easier in fact as they were sitting ducks. I sincerely believe that this "battle" wasn't about killing or being killed, it was simply about obtaining means to get through the wall which the Night's King definitely accomplished.

Also I read rumors that the last season might be delayed until 2019... I did not research it deeply but if that's true, please shoot me now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-22 14:40:12
That makes absolutely no sense.  They wouldn't just let them go - and Jon would not have made it back after landing in the ice and being alone. In freezing cold weather. On a horse. How did the horse survive? Game of Thrones was always level headed, especially in the books. ANd that just isn't. It's lazy and totally breaks the suspension of disbelief.  And if they left it until the last 2 seasons to get everything in place, that's their fault.  They've had since season 5.  If the next season is the last one... then it's a total rush job.  All this to set up a one season war with the dead?  It's a shame that Martin didn't get Winds of Winter out in time.

Also, even how the dragon was captured was lazy. Typical bullseye shot with a spear. Then the white walkers became smiths... because they forged their own chains from nowhere to pull it out.

One final point... we have no idea of the bad guys' motivations. Nothing. They are invading for some reason and we just don't know what it is. There is nothing at stake except boogeyman of the week is coming to get you.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: EQ2Alyza on 2017-08-22 16:33:00
It's taken the White Walker army 6 seasons to get where they are now, and yet the distance traveled by Gendry, a raven, and the dragons did all of it in a fraction of an episode. I still love the show and the in between action, but some of the recent writing has had me scratching my head.

Article calculating an approximate distance that we saw traveled in EP 6: CLICKY CLICKY (https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/game-of-thrones-how-long-did-it-take-gendry-a-raven-and-a-dragon-to-travel-westeros-1.3194458)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-24 00:45:43
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-28 02:53:47
At least the final episode is very good—like the first episode of this season.  At least it didn't end with the slop we've been served since ep2.  9/10.

Mostly good.  Still a bit of rushing - but nowhere near what it has been of late. Everything is in place for the Great War, which is, of course, what the TV writers wanted for season 8. I'm still not happy with how the TV writers lazily rushed all the pieces in place at the last minute in the most obnoxious way a writer can, but I can look forward to season 8 now and hope the bad pacing and ridiculous contrivances won't be repeated.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: -Ric- on 2017-08-28 11:03:22
And now we wait.....................................................  :-(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-28 21:18:05
C'est la vie.  :'(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: olearyf2525 on 2017-08-29 10:33:30
The two producers/writers have no idea what they're doing. The only reason this show did well was because it followed the books so closely. Now that they have to do the writing themselves and only work based off of outlines/notes from Martin the show has taken a steep dive in quality and pacing of the writing. David Benioff and David Wise probably got their jobs through nepotism like most of hollywood, after looking into their backgrounds. Honestly, when they made Stannis kill his own daughter, I was pretty pissed because as someone who can relate to Stannis' personality type, I and all of my friends who were fans of Stannis know that he wouldn't just overnight decide to kill his daughter especially by burning her alive.

I've only watched 5 out of 7 episodes. This is a first for me. Usually I can't wait to see the next episode right away. Goes to show how the quality has dropped off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-08-29 15:48:12
There are numerous issues with how the TV writers do things and this has been the case since Season 1.  But, yeah, it's turned real poor since the books were left behind - parts of Season 5, and all of S6 and 7.  My gripes with the show as a whole are:

1. Swearing, Nudity, Sex, Gore for no other reason than shock value.  When these things are used in a realistic way and for emphasis or to compliment the story, that's fine.  But too often this isn't the case.  I've lived on 2 council estates with the thuggiest losers for neighbours you can imagine, and even they don't swear like the characters on GOT do. The biggest culprit is Bronn.  I mean, imagine you were with someone who continually spoke like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-6bx8pAmGg

It's just used obnoxiously.  People don't talk like this.  Even the lowest retard you can imagine has restraint with language.  They won't ALWAYS use "fern" instead of "shag" or "sex" or "at it".  There are numerous variations, but Bronn is a one man  factory of "carnation" "twat" "fern"... It's like a bad fan translation... when a giddy teen has the power to make his favourite character swear.  Ooooooo how clever!  And that's exactly what the TV writers do with GOT... not just with swearing, but with sex and violence and nudity.  It isn't clever.  But you can see from the youtube video above how it appeals to mindless dumbasses. To anyone with any brain, it just ruins the character and breaks suspension of disbelief.  I've been known to swear a lot... so when I complain about characters doing it, it HAS to be bad.

2. The TV writers often substitute reason and realism for mindless shock value.  The best example I can think of is when the Mountain crushes Oberyn's head.  This was so fantastically stupid. It was so overdone that it broke the realism entirely.

3. Other issues are the changes they've made for no good reason whatsoever - and which work against the fiction.  Some things that spring to mind:

Brienne is everywhere (Probably because they caved to whining feminazis).  She is kicking ass everywhere.  Taking on Jamie Lannister, like it's nothing.  Beating the Hound.  Killing Stanis.  She is literally everywhere being a badass because "we need strong woman."

Stanis wife keeping her stillborn babies in jars.  WTF?  How absolutely stupid.  I read that this awful addition was added because one of the TV writers liked the idea.  He then asked his wife if it sounded far fetched.  Reality check: If you are asking your wife if a major plot change from the books is absurd, then it's absurd.  Stop changing things thinking you know better than the frickin' author. It makes Stanis' wife come across as totally tapped in the head... and Stanis too.

Population numbers / army numbers exaggerated from the book numbers.  Why?  Because 1 million sounds badass compared to 10,000  or 100,000.  It's like the TV writers just forgot or didn't care that this isn't 21st century Earth!  I can't remember what the total numbers are for the Wildling army... but I'm sure the TV writers went with an absurd number that never materializes on screen when the war is over.  Where are all these Wildlings housed or fed?  All this lack of believability because they wanted the number to be larger for "drama".

Littlefinger:  Littlefinger in the books is a smart person. He comes across as likable when in fact he is utterly ruthless.  In the TV show, he has a sinister look and a sinister voice.  He's OBVIOUSLY bad.  There is no subtlety.  The writers want the audience to know he's BAD by making him into Jafar from Aladdin.  I half expect his eyes to start twirling in their sockets.

The King of Dorne being murdered in the way he was... just to wrap up an arc they couldn't figure out.  Pathetic.

Generally, every single time those TV writers have changed something from Martin's novel, it has led to huge inconsistencies or problems.  Oh, yeah, I forgot... Sansa being sent to the Boltons (what nonsense). No doubt this was done simply so we could see Sansa degraded and raped for yet more shock value.  Yeah, she's 18 now... So let's bend her over.  If I ever get time, I am going to do my own edit of this show and fix the over use of all that shock nonsense. I'd love to recommend it to numerous people, but they'll tune out as soon as they see the brothel in season 1.  They aren't prudes, they just aren't going to tolerate over use of what amounts to porn. If I want porn, I'll go watch it on a porn channel.  That brings up a very important point... TV can never be as shocking as the internet.  If you want to see shocking things, there are real beheadings, hardcore porn, terror attack victims (you'll see this all the time on Twitter) you name it.  It's all there. So adding it in to GOT for "shock" is redundant to begin with and ruins the show.

GOT TV show is still a solid 9/10, but it has some glaring faults - nearly all of which are caused by the TV writers being WAY out of their depth and treating the show like their own personal playground, rather than respecting the author, the books, and intelligent viewers. 





Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: destroyedweapon on 2017-09-10 15:32:38
Ok there may be negative elements but can we not be like most humans and also foccus on the positive things? there are lots. Also season 7 has not ended yet, we are in half season. They have pretty much cleared the path for what comes, sometimes that is necessary.

I also think that the over expectation and the anxiety of waiting 1 week for the next episode and years for a season may leave you with a let down, when in fact wasn't that bad.

Also I love the scene where Jon comes back from the frozen lake. The look that Khaleesi gives really got to me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-09-10 15:59:35
I'm not here to blow smoke up the ass of a show that is already critically acclaimed and which I obviously like.  I am pointing out the bad parts, because I expect multimillion dollar TV shows based on a very solid set of novels to have a high standard. A much higher standard than season 7 did - which was terrible. And Season 7 was THAT bad (apart from ep1 and 7, which were decent) - for all the reasons I mentioned. It was lazy. It was cliche. It was full of the worst parts about Hollywood movies. It was everything Martin isn't.

It has nothing to do with waiting or anything else.  It was objectively badly written.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: destroyedweapon on 2017-11-03 01:37:17
I would not call it terrible, all I'm saying is that you are exaggerating, there are lots of scenes that I loved. And I don't see why such and aggressive response.. Also season 7 is still on going, so I would not cast it all out until watching it all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2017-11-03 02:23:53
Season 7 is finished. It finished ages ago. And I am not exaggerating.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-04-29 22:27:42
Yeah.  It's well and truly over.  We've found out for sure that these two twits can't write themselves out of a wet paper bag.

Another great show that turned into a clusterfuck of bad writing and Hollycrap drivel.  Season 8 Episode 3 is the final nail.  It's beyond belief what's happened to this show really.

I'll be watching the rest only because of the time I've invested in it, but I'd much rather strangle Daniel Weiss and David Benioff to death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: hotdog963al on 2019-04-30 22:55:19
I was hoping for more of a dark plot twist, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. The battle itself had me practically cacking myself throughout, so that's something positive at least.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-04-30 23:07:39
When no real danger is remotely possible to loads of the main characters, I have the opposite feeling. I was bored.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: hotdog963al on 2019-05-03 08:20:47
Saw this and thought of you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-03 08:57:04
lol  He's right.   ;D

The episode is as brainless as writing can ever be.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: EQ2Alyza on 2019-05-04 01:14:22
I was sooooo disappointed. Clearly the writers aren't on the same page as GRRM  :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-04 01:37:53
They're thick as dog strawberries.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: BPLD on 2019-05-04 06:43:50
Holy strawberries DLPB, we actually agree on something!  Although I'll admit, I'm not unhappy about this, the show fell the fern apart once they ran out of source material; so I just turn my brain off and enjoy the spectacle; so from that perspective, I've been pretty satisfied, although this season has been spectacularly dumb.

On the bright side though; CLEGANEBOWL IS COMING 100% CONFIRMED GET HYPE

(https://i.imgur.com/chkOboe.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: BPLD on 2019-05-04 06:48:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FGT7NzqDRU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FGT7NzqDRU)

GET HYPE!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-04 12:19:59
Shame is... it's no longer the mountain.  It's just a weird mute zombie.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: BPLD on 2019-05-04 21:02:48
CLEGANEBOWL

ferning

CONFIRMED

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-05 00:10:48
It's not really a shock that it came to all this though, is it?  The writing has been getting worse season on season since they left the books behind.  And even before that, as I mentioned previously, Dumb & Dumber were making foolish mistakes and deviating from the actual plot for no logical reason. Even when GOT was a 10/10 show, there were clear signs that they would be useless once GRRM's material ran out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: BPLD on 2019-05-05 20:37:16
It's not really a shock that it came to all this though, is it?  The writing has been getting worse season on season since they left the books behind.  And even before that, as I mentioned previously, Dumb & Dumber were making foolish mistakes and deviating from the actual plot for no logical reason. Even when GOT was a 10/10 show, there were clear signs that they would be useless once GRRM's material ran out.

Yeah, I'm one of those that think it took a sharp dive pretty much as soon as they ran out of books.  On the bright side, CLEGANEBOWL 100% CONFIRMED GET HYPE.  Cleganebowl is basically the only thing I actually WANT out of the show still; not even because it'd be awesome writing; just the sheer shitlordery of it is very amusing to me.

(https://i.imgur.com/wid6W0L.png)


EDIT: also, if you thought last week was bad; just wait until you watch this week's.  Lots of stupid.  There was some stupid last week that wound up not being AS stupid in context (IE I thought the dead starks rising in the crypts was going to be dumb; but the way they wound up doing it, in the second siege wasn't too stupid.  It was how that second siege was used that was stupid AF), but this week is just gonna be stupid after stupid after stupid
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-05 21:25:57
Well, if GoT was a game of chess... the writers made it a triple check and mate.

How can they possibly make Cersei a threat at this point?  They've just dispatched the greatest foe on the planet who also had a zombie dragon. Dany has 2 dragons left that can reduce an entire army to ash in minutes.

We all know how.  They're going to make every illogical piece of magic wand writing under the sun to force the ending they want. Where is Game of Thrones ranking in terms of crazy, useless endings?

1. Battlestar Galactica (new series)
2. Lost
3. GoT?
4. Deep Space Nine

Honourable mention for Big Bang Theory.

Honestly, though... no show has disappointed me with an ending as much as GoT.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-06 03:29:01
Half the latest episode was logical... half of it was just as we expected it would be... ridiculous.  Contrived.  And Cersei is somehow more powerful than the White Walkers. Lmao.  In order to make this piddly little battle work, they've had to throw out all reason and logic and do whatever they want.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: hotdog963al on 2019-05-06 12:22:13
Honestly, though... no show has disappointed me with an ending as much as GoT.
You should watch Dexter next
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-06 13:04:04
1. Battlestar Galactica (new series)
Yeah, talk about jumping the shark.  New Caprica, say what???  (but I still think the "Adama maneuver" was pretty sick)

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Honestly, though... no show has disappointed me with an ending as much as GoT.
Umm... how about any decent sci-fi series Fox picked up, like Firefly or Terminator:Sarah Connor Chronicles?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-06 13:50:52
Firefly had a great last episode and a very good season - and was cancelled due to incompetent producers.  The show itself didn't disappoint me at all.  Looking at how Game of Thrones has turned out... it might be a good thing for all shows to be terminated in season 1.

I never watched Sarah Connor nonsense...  spin offs like that are always going to be poor as hell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-06 17:20:46
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Firefly had a great last episode and a very good season - and was cancelled.  The show itself didn't disappoint me at all.
It was cancelled despite doing well in the important categories.  'Nuff said.

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I never watched Sarah Connor nonsense...  spin offs like that are always going to be poor as hell.
If you've got DVD Netflix, give it a shot (don't know if it's on streaming or not).  It was reasonably well-written (especially when compared to the likes of Galactica and DS9, both of which Ron Moore was involved with), and was getting into how the players in the future (being SkyNet and the Resistance) were sending back more than just "Kill ___" and "Protect ___" missions, but almost playing a game of chess against not only each other, but even itself (especially SkyNet).  Oh... and Summer Glau is easy on the eyes, and she was also in both series (do I see a pattern?)

Oh, and there aren't any misplaced Starbucks coffee cups in SCC like there are in GOT:  https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2019/05/06/game-of-throne-season-8-episode-4-coffee-cup-mistake-daenerys/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-06 17:36:05
At least it doesn't feature a special guest appearance of a Starbucks cup due to utter incompetence and laziness.  Right now, I'd be tempted to punch D&D square in the face if I saw them.

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Haha, you edited your post with the same as me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-06 17:47:54
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Haha, you edited your post with the same as me.
Here, have some karma :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: Covarr on 2019-05-06 18:37:35
You should watch Dexter next
Oh, good heavens. Four excellent seasons, one meh season, two crap seasons, and then season 8 was the single worst season of a television program I have ever seen, capped with the single worst episode of television I've seen, a finale so stupid that it makes the rest of the season look brilliant by comparison.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-06 19:00:10
Yeah, the consensus everywhere is "Don't watch Dexter", so I definitely won't haha!

Is it worth watching season 1 or does it end on a cliffhanger?  I'm not going to invest time for nothing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-06 19:04:39
I'm not going to invest time for nothing.
Watch Babylon 5 instead.  Netflix reviewer said it best... "Season 1 showed the lack of budget they had, but so much that happens later in the series depends on things inconspicuously laid out previously."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: BPLD on 2019-05-06 19:11:19
Yeah, talk about jumping the shark.  New Caprica, say what???  (but I still think the "Adama maneuver" was pretty sick)

Funnily enough, I'm actually re-watching BSG right now.  Say what you will about it (and MY GOD is there a lot to say.  It's not exactly a good show, but I still love it); but the ending does make sense in context of the rest of the series.  They generally hint at something of the sort throughout the whole show.  They just implemented it....poorly, for lack of a better word; blame the Mormons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-06 19:17:52
Watch Babylon 5 instead.  Netflix reviewer said it best... "Season 1 showed the lack of budget they had, but so much that happens later in the series depends on things inconspicuously laid out previously."

Babylon 5 is my favourite TV show or work of fiction on screen full stop ;) I've watched it beginning to end around 10 times. A masterpiece. Season 1 is also a very decent season that for some reason gets criticism. It sets up the rest of the story perfectly. Parts of Season 5 were on the poorer side, but again it was a very good season with an excellent final episode.

The only episode I disliked was the last episode of Season 4 (too unrealistic) and a few of the earlier monster of the week episodes.  Also... the Soul Hunters never should have happened imho. 

If I had a billion dollars, I'd invest in updating the CGI.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-06 20:44:28
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Season 1 is also a very decent season that for some reason gets criticism.
Mostly because it does spend so much time setting up back story and future events, that it doesn't seem to actually "go" anywhere.

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Parts of Season 5 were on the poorer side, but again it was a very good season with an excellent final episode.
Much of what happens in the latter half of season 4 was pulled forward from season 5 because the team didn't know whether not they'd get renewed.  When TNT did pick up the fifth season, they suddenly needed filler material.  The series finale was actually shot during season 4 (production number 422) because of that.  After being renewed for the fifth, what we saw as the season 4 finale (production number 423), was filler (even here JMS managed to incorporate the foreshadowing of humanity's future becoming non-corporeal, which we saw again in "The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari" as Sheridan was changing "uniforms" in the Zocalo).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-06 20:52:39
Aye - I'm aware of that :)  It does suck but thank god we didn't end on Season 4's finale.

All in all - with the budget and constraints - he did a superb job.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: Covarr on 2019-05-06 22:55:33
Yeah, the consensus everywhere is "Don't watch Dexter", so I definitely won't haha!

Is it worth watching season 1 or does it end on a cliffhanger?  I'm not going to invest time for nothing.
Honestly, the first four seasons of Dexter are absolutely worth watching. The show is pretty good about isolating plot arcs to seasons, especially early on, so you can easily watch the first three without cliffhangers. Season 4 is the best season the show ever got, and it ends on a... sort of cliffhanger? Like, it definitely leaves some questions unanswered, but it still makes for a good stopping point. I would definitely recommend watching Dexter and continuing through the end of season 4.

Also

(https://i.imgur.com/KDMn3DG.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: olearyf2525 on 2019-05-07 06:07:50
Pretty much agree with what everyone else has been saying, the writing took a nose dive since they ran out of books to follow. D.B Weiss and David Benioff are completely incompetent and the only reason they are the shot callers is because of their hollywood connections, completely incompetent. Even in the seasons which were fantastic and mostly followed the books they added needless modern day political commentary and extra sex and altered scenes, so it came as no surprise to me that as they gained increased freedom with the script the show would suffer even more. That being said it's still interesting and I'll finish watching it just to see how they wrap things up or if they can wrap things up completely. I'm dissapointed with Martin's nihilist version of Tolkien's universe in some respects, it's evident in the fact that the giants, the children of the forest, the dragons, everything magical is dying from westeros. So nothing this season has really surprised me, we'll see though!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-07 20:00:45
Precisely.  The thing is it takes IQ to see it long before it happens.  I've worried about this since Season 1 because, as you say, they were adding needless crap, extra sex etc, and altering coherent plot even then.  But they had rails to stick by.  Now, with no material, the train is off the tracks entirely.

But even I didn't see it crashing and burning this bad.  I honestly think you could give Season 7 and 8 to a random highschool fan and come up with something better. It's terrible. It's fast becoming the biggest fall from grace in TV history. I can't think of another show this acclaimed, with the start it had, ending so poorly.

It would be like Breaking Bad having a 5th season where
Spoiler: show
Walt suddenly turns nice, hands himself in, and there isn't a single shot fired.  Or Gus Fring is actually still alive after having half his face blown away - comes back as the final baddie
  Even that would be preferable over this pigswill. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-08 00:22:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxdLult6YKU

That's how a real final season is done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-08 03:41:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxdLult6YKU

That's how a real final season is done.
More like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znNciln7qwY
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: gjoerulv on 2019-05-08 18:29:33
It took until the end of season 5 for me to realize they actually started to run out of material. I didn't know the source material wasn't finished. But when I was told it made perfect sense. Jamie's trip to Dorne felt like filler written by fanboys.

Season 7 ep 6 is still the worst one imo. That episode made anti-sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-08 21:54:04
Then, when they couldn't work out what to do with the arc, they had those 3 silly sand characters and their mother butcher the prince and king...  just out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: gjoerulv on 2019-05-08 22:20:10
Honestly, the first four seasons of Dexter are absolutely worth watching. The show is pretty good about isolating plot arcs to seasons, especially early on, so you can easily watch the first three without cliffhangers. Season 4 is the best season the show ever got, and it ends on a... sort of cliffhanger? Like, it definitely leaves some questions unanswered, but it still makes for a good stopping point. I would definitely recommend watching Dexter and continuing through the end of season 4.

Yup, pretty much how I feel about it. Dexter is far from my fav show, but to anyone planning on watching Dexter: For the love of God, stop after season 4, cliffhangers be damned. Season 3 was kinda lame too, but somewhat worth watching 'cause of season 4. In the case of GoT you can't say that. Knowing how it all goes downhill afterwards, especially after season 6, I can't see myself watching GoT ever again. It's too disappointing. Perhaps The biggest disappointment in fiction history. Up there with Mass Effect 3. And the Star Wars prequels.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-08 23:01:14
More like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znNciln7qwY

Game of Thrones will never touch that.  And even BB doesn't.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-13 15:41:18
So much for "Clegane Bowl"  - Another joke.

Review to come.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: hotdog963al on 2019-05-13 19:28:49
I really enjoyed episode 5

Game of Thrones will never touch that.  And even BB doesn't.
This has to be trolling
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-13 20:26:02
No, it isn't. The very end of B5 is more heart felt and well written than any other show I've seen - including BB.

Why would I be trolling?  What purpose would that serve here?  Believe it or not, people do actually have different views and don't think BB was absolutely perfect.  It wasn't.  Nor is B5.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: gjoerulv on 2019-05-13 21:36:21
Only seen season 1 of B5, and keep hearing good stuff about it. I know the cg is outdated but still wanna check it out.

Ep 5 was terrible. Sure it looked good; the best description I've heard so far is "disaster porn".

Not gonna spoil anything, but to anyone who is up to date: Think about Jaime's character arc in the latest 2 seasons (or any other character really). It's so #¤@% dumb. You can pretty much sum it up in 1 sentence.

Can't wait for this to end. Season 7 was bad. Season 8 has been a disaster.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-13 22:54:19
Only seen season 1 of B5, and keep hearing good stuff about it. I know the cg is outdated but still wanna check it out.
CG was never the driving force behind B5.  They did set some records at the time for stuff like number of objects concurrently on-screen, but that was never their goal.  If/as you watch, keep in mind that the most seemingly innocuous of events/statements can have empire-changing ramifications two, three, or even four seasons later.  Example:
Spoiler: show
Londo speaking to Vir:  You moon-faced assassin of joy.


BB =?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-13 23:27:27
Breaking Bad.

Also:

"And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you"
This was meant to be Jaime or Tyrion - but D&D had other ideas.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: Covarr on 2019-05-14 05:45:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk60P_dzgk8

"Game of Thrones Writers Keep Dropping The Ball"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: hotdog963al on 2019-05-14 21:58:32
I feel sorry for you guys who can't enjoy it. Must suck!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-15 00:08:18
I feel sorry for you guys who can't enjoy it. Must suck!

Not as much as realizing that the majority can because of their chronic lack of an IQ.  That depresses me far more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: gjoerulv on 2019-05-15 01:05:23
I feel sorry for you guys who can't enjoy it. Must suck!

Not gonna lie, it sucks to be this disappointed. I can still enjoy "bad" movies, like, lets say, any MC movie, if I know what I'm in for. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the kabooms. The reason this doesn't work for GoT is how it started. If GoT had the same crappy writing since season 1 I could probably still enjoy it. IF I started watching it in the 1st place that is, which I probably wouldn't 'cause of the crappy writing.

I agree with DLPB. It's honestly depressing that entertainment like movies and TV shows can get away with bad writing like this. Show a dragoon destroy a city and your safe ("OMG so shocking!!"), logic and character motivation be damned.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-15 02:17:11
I have a feeling a lot of people didn't get Game of Thrones at all... beacause all along they had what's left of their brain turned off.  So it's no loss to them.  A character doing cool things with a proper build up and a character doing cool things with no build up is the same to these sorry halfwits.

A bit like FF7 actually.  When I criticized the spin offs and got a load of nonsense back.  Turned out the reasons I like it most (themes, storytelling, and so on) are not in line with a lot of fans (battles, graphics, "coolness" urgh). So, to them, the spin offs are just as good. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-15 03:23:42
My review for imdb:

It's the best episode this season, but that's only 7/10 by Game of Thrones S1-4 standards.

D&D = Dumb and Dumber (the writers).

Let's look at the good -

1. The Tyrion-Jaime scene was top notch and exactly the way it needed to be. Sadly, Dumb and Dumber wrecked all the other heartfelt moments this and last season. I guess we gotta be thankful they've now managed to write ONE great scene.

2. The battle for King's Landing was superb and visually what we all expected. The 'no mercy' strategy was gripping throughout.

3. There were less "what the heck" moments this episode.

Now, the bad:

1. Once again, certain characters survive certain death for no other reason than D&D are stupid. Jaime, Euron, Arya, Greyworm, etc all have plot armour yet again when it suits. What is it that Dumb and Dumber don't understand about human anatomy? Arya was stabbed in the stomach multiple times in season 6 in one of the lowest and most stupid moments in GoT, and now we have the same for Euron and Jaime. Jaime actually then travels on forever afterwards as if it were just a minor flesh wound he'd received. It's so, so disappointing to see such poor writing in this show. D&D are HACKS. Arya has buildings caving in on top of her as she runs around King's Landing with dragon fire raining down and unsullied slaughtering everyone in sight. She'd be dead multiple times.

2. The Mountain is undead. When did this happen??? We've not been told he's immortal until now. It was laughable. The whole thing looked like a cheap zombie B movie.

3. Dany's descent into madness wasn't a descent (like it will be in the books, should it occur); instead, it's been the most unrealistic character change in TV history. In just a few episodes, she's gone from wanting to take King's landing with minimal losses to actively hunting down innocent people and frying them alive - when she's clearly won the war already. Even when she was contemplating burning King's Landing to a crisp in previous episodes, she was never capable of hunting down women and children in the streets like a bad Hollywood villain. They've ruined her character by rushing and forcing the story - Magic wand, lazy writing.

4. Varys' death was silly. He deserved better than to be found out for some futile last minute plot. Burning him alive with Drogon... was that even necessary? Hasn't Dany heard of a sword?

5. Dumb and Dumber seem to think Cersei is a tragic character who deserves our sympathy. No. She's a horrible monster who has caused untold suffering and death - all for her own petty wants and schemes. It's insulting they gave her such an easy death, and one that actually tries to be nice to her! It was also totally unsatisfying to see her killed by a bunch of rocks in a cliche 'hold me close as we die together' scene.

Look, Dumb and Dumber: we all know that you love the actress who plays Cersei, but she's an ACTRESS. You're writing a CHARACTER for a fictional show, you blithering idiots.

6. Dany threatening Tyrion with death is also out of character, as is Jaime still giving a damn about Cersei.

7. Tyrion arranging for Cersei to escape is LAUGHABLE. There is no way on earth he'd do that. He'd arrange for Jaime to escape (maybe - and even then how would Jaime get away unseen??) - NOT his crazy, demented sister. It's almost as if Dumb and Dumber have forgotten everything Cersei has done to Tyrion and to everyone else.

8. Euron's death is so bad it's hilarious. "I'm the one who killed Jaime Lannister..." LOL WHO THE HELL CARES? And why did he want to in the first place? The scene is also extremely badly acted and will likely be ridiculed in 1000 memes. Oh, and did I mention that he survived a direct hit from Drogon's fire and then swam ashore to meet Jaime by complete coincidence on the beach?

In conclusion: This episode has a few moments where you can remember how good Game of Thrones used to be - and lots of moments where you are reminded that those two fools - Dumb and Dumber - are now completely in charge.

Unfortunately, this episode also can't erase the destruction those two idiots have wrought on this show. Watching Drogon roast and toast reminded me of what they've have done to GRRM's epic fantasy. The best this season isn't saying a lot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: -Ric- on 2019-05-15 19:21:29
Not as much as realizing that the majority can because of their chronic lack of an IQ.  That depresses me far more.

The majority can enjoy it because there are far more important things taking place in their lives than a TV show. It's entertainment, it's not an important matter.. I see you bring up lack of IQ so often in your posts... You really believe yours is above average? "my opinion" "my review" "I would have done this" "I would have done that" no one gives a strawberries. Which TV show have you written? Which of your scripts have been given life? If your opinion carried any weight, you wouldn't have the need to share it on this forum while claiming everyone who disagrees with you only does so because they're not as intelligent. You're an extremely basic human being with an unjustified ego.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-15 22:24:24
Yeah, you've sure convinced me that you don't care.  ;D ;D ;D

Also, a big thumbs up for illustrating my point perfectly about the low IQ.  Take your shite brain to a thread that's more your intellect.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: -Ric- on 2019-05-16 00:58:35
I'd probably convince you even more if I spent my days crying about videogames and series online and insulting everyone who doesn't agree. You're basic. Your "LOW IQ Q.Q" posts are basic and you're not half as smart as you think you are, which is a common occurrence for idiots.

Edit: Don't give yourself an headache trying to come back with an intelligent response that ends up requiring as many edits as your IQ number (see? we can all do it, it's easy strawberries). You've been given more of my time than you were ever worth and therefore, I'm done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: olearyf2525 on 2019-05-16 09:22:50
Not worth it
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: Covarr on 2019-05-16 16:46:46
Warnings issued. Grow up, guys; we aren't ten year olds and we shouldn't be acting like it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: EQ2Alyza on 2019-05-17 12:10:13
Hopefully the momentum isn't killed yet, and we can continue to discuss our maaaaany thoughts on this beloved series. I'm just waiting until the series finale to chime in on my disappointments.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-17 12:57:34
I'm just waiting until the series finale to chime in on my disappointments.
You've got more patience than these half-million (and counting) (https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/game-of-thrones-fan-petition-remake-season-8-1203217025/) people  :-P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-17 16:05:08
I doubt anything will come of it, sadly.  But one day GRRM will actually release WoW.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-18 14:02:05
Quote
Game of Thrones: No One (2016)
Season 6, Episode 8
 1/10
The Waif - aka the T-1000 - and how D&D are crap writers
16 May 2019
Warning: Spoilers
When I first saw this episode, I was dumbfounded by its utter stupidity. And, then, it hit me: 'We have Dumb and Dumber at the helm - not GRRM. It's going to get worse.'

And it did. Look at what became of Game of Thrones. This episode is a massive clue as to the utter stink of those two inept writers. They haven't a clue what real life is about or what believable fiction is about. They do EVERYTHING for shock value without one ounce of understanding to the logic of it.

They actually think it's fine to show a character in medieval times stabbed multiple times in the stomach, who then goes for a non stop sprint after it without a care in the world. Arya would be DEAD. It's that simple.

People who accepted this episode at the time should reflect long and hard on the fact they were partly responsible for the utter DRECK we got in Season 7 and 8.

D&D are a menace. They should never, ever be allowed to write another TV show or film.

Also, who's bright idea was it to make the Waif (who remained totally unexplained and without character development) into the T-1000????



I went back and reviewed where the suck truly started.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: gjoerulv on 2019-05-18 17:29:45
Hopefully the momentum isn't killed yet, and we can continue to discuss our maaaaany thoughts on this beloved series. I'm just waiting until the series finale to chime in on my disappointments.

This mentality is good to have in general. I've seen many premature judgements bite them in the a** later. But in the case of GoT I think it is reasonable beyond any doubt that they can't possibly salvage the story. There is too much damage done. There have to be a miracle.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: MysticLord on 2019-05-19 00:29:57
GRRM will probably die before he releases WOW, and we'll have to deal with his estate (like Tolkein's) stringing us along for decades. Or maybe they'll hire D&D to flesh it out with spinoffs?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: sl1982 on 2019-05-19 01:24:21
Best case scenario is they hire Brandon Sanderson to finish it like they did with the wheel of time series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-19 02:58:09
GRRM will probably die before he releases WOW, and we'll have to deal with his estate (like Tolkein's) stringing us along for decades. Or maybe they'll hire D&D to flesh it out with spinoffs?
Couldn't be any worse than what Frank Herbert's boy did with "Dune"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: MysticLord on 2019-05-19 15:56:49
Couldn't be any worse than what Frank Herbert's boy did with "Dune"
Don't remind me, I'm handling sharp objects right now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-20 04:45:58
Wow.  That was a painful ending. So so bad.  Worthless writers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: gjoerulv on 2019-05-20 17:02:29
The best thing about the last episode is that it wasn't the worst episode.
Welp, at least someone got rich writing bad fan-fiction.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: hotdog963al on 2019-05-20 22:20:27
Wow.  That was a painful ending. So so bad.  Worthless writers.
It's OK, it's over now! I loved it. Have fun waiting for your books :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-20 22:35:55
It's OK, it's over now! I loved it. Have fun waiting for your books :D

I suggest you check out the final episode's rating on imdb and elsewhere. Might make you understand that you're actually in the minority. As I'm intelligent, I certainly will enjoy the books.  So will every other proper fan of A Song of Ice and Fire ;)

You loved it because you have no sense or critical thinking. Don't kid yourself there's any alternate reason.  :-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-20 22:41:14
IMDB review:

Quote
Don't bother whinging at the 1 star ratings - use your brain
20 May 2019
Warning: Spoilers
(If you want to watch a great show that ended properly, seek out Babylon 5 and Breaking Bad).

Anyone else tired of seeing

"I don't get it!? Why are so many people rating this 1 star??" "Ignore the haters!" "Ignore the trolls!"

?

Well, rather than calling people names or "not getting it", perhaps it's time to get an IQ and see what is absolutely obvious:

Half of season 6 - and all of season 7 and 8 - have been shockingly bad. The writing has fallen off a cliff because they didn't have GRRM's novels to extend this to another 5 seasons of glorious writing that made sense.

We got, instead, a mad queen out of thin air - and a stupid, contrived ending to go with it. I mean, honestly, BRAN as the king! I don't know whether to laugh or weep. None of this makes any sense and even more annoying is the fact Sansa ended up ruling the North.

Jon Snow's arc thrown away. Why bother bringing him back to life if the prophecy and all the lead up was going to abandoned? Dany's arc destroyed in the most monstrous way imaginable. Bran didn't even get a proper arc - he just looked cryptic all the time for no reason. Jaime's arc thrown away. Arya's arc went nowhere and Bravos was a load of tosh. We still don't even know what Varys heard in the flames. Who cares, right? Sansa's entire story line after season 4 was horse manure and this episode just puts the final steam on the turd.

Also, I can't stand Sophie Turner - she's playing herself - Rich and in love with herself. She's no longer portraying her character.

And just when you felt it couldn't get any sillier, Sam does a Lord of the Rings by creating the book A Song of Ice and Fire.

GRRM deserved better than the garbage D&D have churned out. They are utterly clueless.

Get lost!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: hotdog963al on 2019-05-20 22:44:32
...or maybe I'm just not as precious about it as you are?

You should learn to lighten up and enjoy things, you'll have a better life for it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-20 23:40:40
Is it too much to ask that the things we watch at least make some sort of sense?  Take BSG, for example...  FTL, great.  But why when a battlestar jumps while in orbit, do the flames of the burning shipyard get sucked in (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibdh6lxlxO8&t=1m45s)??  Hello, people... it's already a vacuum!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-20 23:45:18
I appreciated Firefly a lot for its adherence to physics and common sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: LordUrQuan on 2019-05-21 12:53:21
I appreciated Firefly a lot for Summer Glau.
FTFY  8-)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: destroyedweapon on 2019-05-21 23:40:59
The worst for me is that there is zero development of the night king, never said a word? Villain development is like writing 101, so much potential.. I really wanted to know his back story and why he used that spiral symbol all the time. Just this has the potential for a complete season in the hands of good writers... and Jon never got to fight him.. How is there not a single white walker fight? this make no sense.. is on porpuse for a spnioff or something?

I don't feel that bad about the actors but I really feel for the Art crew, an Arty man myself, I know all the effort they gave for every detail, all of it down the drain.


Here you know even he knows he had no idea what to do, hes looking down in shame with a very insecure voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahoHDU0T44I
Is true this writers are doing the next Star Wars? Oh man.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-22 05:40:26
They also took The Long Night as literal rather than poetic.  The Long Night is supposed to be over a long period of time... not one poxy battle, where a small girl armed with a dagger takes down the whole lot.  In fact, even the actress herself has made comment about how silly that is.

It all comes down to the fact that d&d wanted it all to end. As soon as possible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: destroyedweapon on 2019-05-22 11:51:45
Yes, but why. This is a dream job for any writer. All I can think of is that the original author got sick of their personal twists and just left them in the dark for this to happen, maybe they even had several fights. They just didn't know where to go on their own. I blame HBO really, they have to listen to the original author, and if he wanted the writers gone than thats what you have to do. Don't they have a team of senior writers to review whatever script thats handed to them, this are all amateur writer mistakes.

The Night King logic.. If I die we loose so I'm just gonna step in the middle of my enemys base when im perfectly capable of sending my generals and undead practically forever from my ice castle. This is just as unsatisfying as Madara in Naruto.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: gjoerulv on 2019-05-23 04:02:32
It's OK, it's over now! I loved it. Have fun waiting for your books :D

Good that you liked it, not trying to take that away, but what do you think about the writing for the last 2-3 seasons? I mean, it's possible to enjoy a show but still acknowledge the writing is bad, lacking, etc. One of my favorite movies is The Room. That movie is bad at a level beyond human comprehension. It was made by an alien after all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-23 12:58:01
@destroyedweapon

I am not sure there was any falling out.  The bottom line is they ran out of the author's books and were found out as crap writers.  And then they got sick of the show and wanted to move on.  It takes a lot of effort to write a good story.  They didn't want to put in that level of effort and it shows.

Maybe if they'd stuck to Martin's novels it would have been easier, but the hardest part of a complicated story is ending it properly and making sure it all comes together in an organic way.  D&D aren't very good writers.  They couldn't do it, didn't want to do it, and clearly had too much ego to get more people involved to help.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: destroyedweapon on 2019-05-23 16:38:47
It seems so, they are the ones who started inventing things and then they r too lazy to wrap it up. No wonder Sansa always felt off for me, it was their move. I guess their excuse was "thats not good TV George, we know whats good TV".


In fact, even the actress herself has made comment about how silly that is.
Yes, in the back of the scenes of the slaughter episode she says something like "they want me to appear dead for second and then recover, but the audience is too smart for that..." she also appears with a very insecure posture.
The writers also actually say they wanted her there only so you would care more for that scene, not for plot. They just thought of "cool scenes" not the story as a whole, leaving this mess behind.


I mean, it's possible to enjoy a show but still acknowledge the writing is bad, lacking, etc. One of my favorite movies is The Room. That movie is bad at a level beyond human comprehension. It was made by an alien after all.
The thing is we spected something deep but we got something empty just for easy entertaiment and laziness, I guess I also blame cocain for their inflated ego.
One thing is if you start watching something you know is bad just out of curiosity or fun or because some aspects of it you like, another is to have quality that turns to emptiness in the end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-23 21:23:16
 :-D

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"Danny kinda forgot the Iron fleet"..... Really? But really?.....
rcsc716 May 2019
Warning: Spoilers
Every time I heard this sentence from one of the two donkeys, I just feel to downgrade the rating of this episode. Poor Daenerys! The two donkeys just transformed Danny in a silly and ingenuous girl, with no competent military advisers, behaving in a very dummy way (same as D&D) in her journey to Dragonstone riding Drogon.

I'm not going to talk about the other silly things in this episode, but "Danny forgot the Iron Fleet"... Danny forgot to scout the skies with her dragons... Danny lost the flying Rhaegal hit by three consecutive high precision GPS guided scorpion arrows... BRAVO!! Terrific writing skills!... George RR Martin couldn't have done better... I'm so disappointed and Mad with the weak, lazy, brainless writing of these two donkeys... I just used to love GoT. I watched all the seasons, I was completely addicted to it, read the books, had my expectations on the top, was counting the days, the minutes for the start of Season 8. And then this... "Danny kinda forgot the Iron fleet"... unfortunately, this sentence, like what happened in the previous episode, tells everything about what is going to be Season 8 of GoT, courtesy of Donkey and Donkey.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: destroyedweapon on 2019-05-23 21:34:58
I can only imagine what they said for the final episode because for some reason there is no back of the scenes for that one, no wonder after the "kinda forgot.." fiasco.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-23 21:37:15
Imagine having that lack of logic as a writer hahahahaha
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: destroyedweapon on 2019-05-23 22:18:43
At least the comments on the videos are halarius. "Pu$$y game so bad it made him cross a whole continent for his sister's cooch", "Jamie had post-nut clarity".

Also here another massive plot fail I haven't thought of yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yf7QtvjtEI

White Walkers can't touch you or they'll freeze you... he grabs Arya by the neck.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: DLPB on 2019-05-23 22:55:11
lmao!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
Post by: destroyedweapon on 2019-05-24 03:12:03
Also here Daenerys Storms King's Landing, but to Metallica's For Whom the Bell Tolls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHlCiB98N4

Just tryin' to make the best out of this, is right on sync, well done.