Author Topic: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)  (Read 1311752 times)

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4450 on: 2019-03-19 11:41:34 »
This mod is top notch man, I've read some articles and went through the db and damn y'all put in so much effort to un-jank this beloved game. Thank you so much, I'd like to help contribute with testing and improving the experience for this mod when ran on FF7 for Steam Play / Linux.

I tried the R05c installer with wine-4.2 staging, and it completes the install but with two errors at the end (both TextMod.exe and HextEdit.exe with the usual encountered a serious problem and needs to close). I've now found this to mean most tweaks don't work, only Beacause and Model Overhaul seem to work.

If I run the installer in my Windows 10 VM, and copy the files from Windows steamapps to Linux steamapps, it runs with all the mods, except if 60FPS battles is installed, the game crashes, and when omitting 60FPS battles in an install, I end up losing menu enhancement and autorun too for some reason. These are probably fault of steam play, I'll have to wait for when I get my new graphics card to test on the Windows side more.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4451 on: 2019-03-20 20:42:56 »
Just installed R05c to see what it's like (knowing R06 is right around the corner), and love the way the models look and the new script I've read so far (especially how Barrett doesn't carry on and on and on and.....)  However, even while holding cancel to run, it's almost as if everyone's trying to run through molasses.  I don't see any indications of being CPU or GPU bound, everyone's just moving at maybe 50-75% of normal speed.  Is this typical?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4452 on: 2019-03-20 20:53:27 »
If you install FRAPS or dxtory or something similar, it should report the FPS to you.  See if it's at 30 for field. This isn't a Reunion issue, though.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4453 on: 2019-03-22 01:53:19 »
Thanks for this great work!

Is there a script available containing the full re-translated dialogue? I'm trying to go through the game in Japanese and would love to use your English version to look up phrases.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4454 on: 2019-03-22 20:24:06 »
R07 will be full and completed
So not yet.



 8)  you're also welcome

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4455 on: 2019-03-23 20:43:01 »
Speaking of the retranslation, has there been any recent progress with Charlie Beer's readthrough?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4456 on: 2019-03-25 16:08:45 »
Yup!  Wutai done and steady progress being made.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4457 on: 2019-03-26 15:33:32 »
My anticipation is growing to epic levels now

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4458 on: 2019-03-26 20:25:35 »
Spoiler: show

>when you finish snowboarding
"She died. Accept it."

no



By the way, what does the Fixed length character names option do in the installer, I tried a diff -r on the generated .txt files and nothing seems to be changed with this option.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4459 on: 2019-03-27 03:05:02 »
It should really be "I'm dead.  Accept it."

I'll amend haha.

As to Fixed Length - the explanation should be in the readme.  It simply makes tidier dialogue boxes as the character name will be fixed length.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4460 on: 2019-03-27 03:22:04 »
One of many examples of the corrections Charlie Beer is helping uncover.

Original game:
Staniv
“The rule is the best fighter on
   each floor will be your opponent…
   This is a five-storied pagoda,but
   the fourth floor is the highest…”{NEW}
“In other words, no one has ever
   defeated me--Master of Weaponry!”{NEW}
“You still want to try…?”
{CHOICE}Just come on!!
{CHOICE}I'll pass!

R05
Staniv
“Up to the fourth level,it is our
  custom to face those from above.
  Verily,I consider this the summit.”{NEW}
“That is to say,
  no man hath defeated me,
  the Master of Martial Arts.”{NEW}
“Wouldst thou still make
  the challenge,I wonder?”
{CHOICE}You betcha!
{CHOICE}Pass! PASS!

R06 (and R07)
Staniv
“Up to the fourth level,it is our
tradition that a Master bear
witness to the battle below.”{NEW}
“Verily,this should be
considered the summit.”{NEW}
“That is to say,
no man hath defeated me—
the Master of Martial Arts.”{NEW}
“Wouldst thou still make
the challenge,I wonder?”
{CHOICE}You betcha!
{CHOICE}Pass! PASS!

Along with grammar fixes and better localization, the retranslation in general looking very good.
« Last Edit: 2019-03-27 03:25:05 by DLPB »

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4461 on: 2019-03-29 11:59:09 »
What's with the lack of spaces after commas, if I may ask?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4462 on: 2019-03-29 20:03:04 »
I've made it so the game adds it - to save a character in the main menu, where space and char limit is a big factor. 

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4463 on: 2019-03-31 17:29:58 »
I've finally managed to make that flow OK as a clue to the bell you need to ring - which is what the Japanese does. I've had to cheat a bit.

Original game and R05 both miss it.

Charlie Beer:
Quote
"lit. “You want your materia?
  Then go find it yourself!”{NEW}
“And to find materia, you gotta be ready use your [kane (money/bell)]""{NEW}
“Heh,heh.
  [kane]. Get it?”

the expression she's using in Japanese is basically ""money talks"", ""To find materia, you gotta make money/bells talk."". I think the idea is that shes hinting that she'll give it back if they bribe her. Which is why she repeats ""kane"". but through this she ends up giving away the hiding spot.

""Steel"" is a bit too farfetched a clue, the ""bell"" really has to be in there.

{YUFFIE}
“You want your materia?
  Then go find it yourself!”{NEW}
“But, hey... I doubt the hiding place will ever ring a bell for you.”{NEW}
“Heh,heh.
  Ring a bell... classic.”"

Original English game:
Quote
{YUFFIE}
“The Materia's mine!
   Tough!”
------------------------------
{YUFFIE}
“You want your Materia?
   Then go find it yourself!”{NEW}
“Yeah that's right.
   And when you're looking for
   the Materia, remember you gotta steel it.”{NEW}
“Heh heh…
   Steel…steel! Get it?”
------------------------------
{YUFFIE}
“C'ya!!”


R05:
Quote
{YUFFIE}
“The materia’s mine…
  Tough luck.”
{YUFFIE}
“You want your materia?
  Then go find it yourself!”
{NEW PAGE}
“Yeah,that’s right.
  And when you’re looking for
  the materia,remember that
  you’ve gotta ‘steel’ it.”
{NEW PAGE}
“Heh,heh.
  Steel. Get it?”

{YUFFIE}
“See ya!”

Final:
Quote
{YUFFIE}
“The materia’s mine…
  Tough luck.”
------------------------------
{YUFFIE}
“You want your materia?
  Then you’ll have to find me,won’t you?
  Now,that rings a bell…”{NEW}
“Heh,heh.  I could give you suckers
  100 clues like that one and you’d still
  never work it out.”
------------------------------
{YUFFIE}
“Buh byyye!”

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4464 on: 2019-03-31 17:53:07 »
If you're taking liberties, I think saying "100 clues like that one" is a bit too on the nose.  Something like "100 more clues" doesn't draw as much attention to the clue itself.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4465 on: 2019-03-31 17:59:45 »
If you don't use "that one" then it doesn't follow at all for the player that it's even a clue - plus the original English seems to heavily imply there is a clue also.  I think it's meant to be utterly obvious or you get stuck in Wutai for ages - like many players did in the original game (without that clue, it's almost a game breaker for a lot of people).  I enjoyed hunting for Yuffie with no clue to go on - but the original staff wanted you to get it. 

I'll see what Charlie Beer thinks is best - because "Ring a bell...  classic" or something can also work.  But my feeling is the original staff want it to be obvious.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4466 on: 2019-04-02 18:39:07 »
sorry if this has been asked before, but is the rename for cover materia to protect materia intentional and the menu option from order to form intentional and is there anyway to undo the changes? it took me a while to figure out what it was to change the rows, for the menu it would be better to us either column, row or it original wording order, also phoenix down is changed to phoenix tail. there is most likely others that I've now come across yet, but the rewording also makes it hard to follow game guides for those that like to collect everything.

ok, i found that the phoenix down rename can be sorted by using the series canon option, but I can't find a way to change the form back to order and protect materia back to cover materia
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4467 on: 2019-04-02 20:29:57 »
There isn't an option. This is a retranslation project.

You'll have to use the tools on this forum to do it manually.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4468 on: 2019-04-02 20:49:59 »
what exactly does a retranslation project entail? also i believe the use of form for sorting out the character positions is translated wrongly, also sadly i don't have the confidence to trial and error by myself so that i can fix the language translations.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4469 on: 2019-04-02 21:48:39 »
You can't reply in a retranslation project that something is "translated wrongly" without saying why or how. It just sounds like a baseless complain to something you don't like.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4470 on: 2019-04-02 21:50:07 »
it the english defination of form, it has nothing to do with what the effect is in game, to make it correct, you'd need to change form to formation

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4471 on: 2019-04-02 22:23:58 »
what exactly does a retranslation project entail? also i believe the use of form for sorting out the character positions is translated wrongly, also sadly i don't have the confidence to trial and error by myself so that i can fix the language translations.
First post.

http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=14914.msg209227#msg209227

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4472 on: 2019-04-02 22:48:05 »
don't mean to be rude but the Japanese to English needs to be double checked for the translations, specially as it states accurate translation which it isn't, a quick double check using google translator gives you many options and definition of what each possible translation can mean, as i read what i am typing i feel like a jackass, but when stating accurate and professional with wrong wording like that i can't help but mention it.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4473 on: 2019-04-02 23:16:21 »
Yes, it is accurate.

No, you haven't read the main post nor the Reunion Database.

No, I am not changing everything and superseding 2 Japanese speakers [actually, 4 when it comes to the retranslation of items] and myself just because you're unhappy with certain changes.

And, finally, Google Translate?  Honestly.  ;D  By your logic, Tifa still owns a shop.

I've told you what your option is.

And if anyone is wondering why I tackled this initially in the way I did - the answer is that I saw this endgame coming from the first sentence.
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« Reply #4474 on: 2019-04-02 23:40:17 »
please explain to me how form is accurate in that usage? in it verb sense and noun when converted to English it is wrong.

just so you know a marriage registration is a form, the positioning of characters on a shogi board, checkers or chess is a formation, the context for form is incorrect, i'm a native British speaker feel free to get a second opinion by a native American speaker, all in all, from what i have played of the mod it is amazing work, I'm looking forward to the final product and i did read the first page i even hunted down the original forum post for beacause and downloaded that version read the text file that was in that to find out that the series canon effects the items names.
I also only mentioned the materia naming for cover being changed to protect in case it was a over look and missed as protect in previous games of final fantasy reduced physical damage, whilst cover took damage in place of another character, which has been the case since final fantasy 3 onwards, which i would of classed as a series canon by now for naming sense
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