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Seraphim87

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Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« on: 2014-10-02 01:21:57 »
Okay, so there are these 2 rooms where you can vaguely look around using a keyhole....

I've always wondered, what really is going on in there?  Is there any way to make a mod that eliminates the keyhole and just shows the entire room?

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #1 on: 2014-10-02 12:48:37 »
great idea hope this is possible I wanna see the rest of the room clearly

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #2 on: 2014-10-02 15:47:31 »
It will be very easy...  just get  Makou reactor and making this happen will be a doddle.

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #3 on: 2014-10-04 00:53:10 »
I have no idea what that is. :P  Could you please elaborate?

Better yet, somebody should make a video and upload it to YT!  I'm sure it'd get a lot of hits.  It'd at least make it to the wiki page for the FF series.

(seriously, what the HELL is happening in that one crazy room?!  I get the idea that it's either something really perverted or something completely innocuous that just seems like it'd be perverted.)
« Last Edit: 2014-10-04 02:56:43 by Seraphim87 »

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #4 on: 2014-10-04 10:12:40 »
I knocked up a video. I planned on it since I read the first post of the thread. Thanks for the idea! :p

In that one room is President Shinra dressed as a king. He recites poetic lines that allude to the game's story. And... I don't know what else is happening. Presumably this stuff turns the pres on.

Also, Makou Reactor is this. It allows you to edit most things to do with field locations. Including the moving and editing of backgrounds and the editing of scripts.
« Last Edit: 2014-10-04 10:15:26 by JBedford128 »

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #5 on: 2014-10-04 10:31:09 »
I think the idea is the King (Pres Shinra) is using things he knows about from his own life as part of his fantasy (which includes going to the Promised Land, which Shinra is looking for).  The original translation makes the scene much harder to understand.  It's better with our retranslation.  In fact, infinitely better, since this is one of the worst localized parts of the entire game.   

Old
Code: [Select]
Honey Bee Inn
------------------------------
“…wheez…”
------------------------------
“Phew…”
------------------------------
“What's wrong, Grandpa?
You keep sighing.”
------------------------------
“…wheez…puff…
You know, Grandma…”
------------------------------
“Is this the room?”
------------------------------
“…whew…
I know our son rented this
for us and all, but…”{NEW}
“It's too nice for us.
Big round bed, gorgeous tub,
I just can't get comfortable.”
------------------------------
“Don't worry about it.
It's a high class neighborhood,
in the Big City.”{NEW}
“You keep complainin' and
we'll get in trouble.”
------------------------------
“Hey Grandma.
What's the name of the company
our son works for?”
------------------------------
“Oh, Grandpa.
Did you forget again?”
------------------------------
“…heave…
It's getting worse…”
------------------------------
“It's Shinra, you know, Shinra, Inc.?
It's the biggest company in the city.”
------------------------------
“If it's the biggest company,
it must be something.”
------------------------------
“Yeah.
It IS really something.”{NEW}
“He's doing well, and he told me that
he's been promoted to department head.”
------------------------------
“Oh…thanks to him we're
able to stay in a room like this.”
------------------------------
“Yeah, I'm really grateful.”
------------------------------
“Well, you wanna go to sleep?”
------------------------------
“All right…”
------------------------------
“Good night.”
------------------------------
“Yeah, good night.”
------------------------------
“…snore…snore…”
------------------------------
“…Heebeebeebee…snore…”
------------------------------
…The wind's calm now…
------------------------------
 It's the curse of the resurrected Satan…
 Our beloved Queen does not awaken…
------------------------------
The time is ripe…
------------------------------
A legend has been passed on
   through generations…
------------------------------
…they sought the Promised Land…
------------------------------
…one with blue eyes…
------------------------------
…and a great white sword on his back…
------------------------------
…will not lead us to the Promised Land…
------------------------------
“Psst…
(Hey, shouldn't we stop him soon?)”
------------------------------
“…whisper…whisper…
(We have a luncheon
with President Shinra…)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(You tell him……)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(I can't tell him…)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(Come on!! Oh, well…)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(I'm so disgusted with the President.)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(This happens every time we
come to Midgar on business.)”{NEW}
“(We came all the way to Midgar,
just for this?)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(What're you complaining about?
You're just holding the lights.
I've gotta wear this heavy armor!)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(I know, I know…
but it's all part of the job.)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(Oh yeah, did you hear?
The President's wife found out
about this little hobby of his.)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(Ha, ha…no way,
I didn't know that.)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(Oh, looks like he's done.
Man, I'm glad!!)”
------------------------------
“Geez!! Mr. President!!
I mean, Your Majesty.”
------------------------------
“Ohhh…I'm sorry.
Please remove the ancient curse!”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(Oh man, not again!?)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(How many times IS this?)”
------------------------------
“Psst…
(I don't even know…
whew…the King sure gets into this…)”
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New
Code: [Select]
Honeybee Manor
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“…sigh…”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“…sigh…”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“What's wrong?
  Ye keep sighin'.”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“…sigh…
  It's juist…”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“It's no aboot the
  room again,is it?”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“Well,ah know our son must've spent
  a bomb rentin' all this fer us,but…”{NEW}
“…a big,round bed,gorgeous tub…
  Ah'm juist no used tae it,that's all.”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“Och,stop it will ye?
  It disnae get much
  better than this below.”{NEW}
“People would bite yer
  hand off tae come here.”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“Oh aye…
  What's the name o' that
  company he works fer?”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“Ye'v no forgot
  again,have ye?”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“…sigh…
  Ah'm surprisin' mahself these days.”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“It's the Shin-Ra Company.
  Shin-Ra!
  The biggest company in Midgar!”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“Wow,it must really be somethin'!”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“O' course it is!”{NEW}
“He's doin' really well.
  Told me he'd bin made
  head o' a whole department.”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“It's thanks tae him
  that we're here.”{NEW}
“Ye should be grateful.”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“Yer right.”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“Should we get some kip?”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“Aye,we're both tired.”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“Ni-night.”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“Night,love.”
------------------------------
#xy 24 16
Old Man
“…zZ…ghh…zzZ…”
------------------------------
#xy 208 16
Old Woman
“…zzZ…”
------------------------------
#cy 96
…{OK}The wind{OK} has ceased.
------------------------------
#cy 96
Is this the curse of the resurrected Devil King?{NEW}
Our most beloved queen does not awaken.
------------------------------
#cy 96
The time is ripe.
------------------------------
#cy 96
A legend handed down since ancient times.
------------------------------
#cy 96
Our destination,the Promised Land.
------------------------------
#cy 96
The one with blue eyes…
------------------------------
#cy 96
…and a great unsheathed sword on his back…
------------------------------
#cy 96
…cannot lead us to the Promised Land.
------------------------------
“…psst…
  (Hey,if we don't stop this soon
   we're gonna be in trouble.)”
------------------------------
“(We have an appointment
   for lunch and he's
   here playing a king.)”
------------------------------
“(You tell him.)”
------------------------------
“(No way. I can't.)”
------------------------------
“(Psh! Whatever.)”
------------------------------
“(I can't believe our boss sometimes.)”
------------------------------
“(This happens every time
  we come to Midgar on business.
  We dragged ourselves all the way
  from the Gold Saucer for this…)”
------------------------------
“(What are you complaining about?
  You just have to handle the lights.
  I have to wear this frickin' armour
  and it weighs a ton!)”
------------------------------
“(Yeah,but I guess it's
  all part of the job.)”
------------------------------
“(Speaking of which,have you heard?
  …About his wife finding out about all this?)”
------------------------------
“(Ha,ha!
  No way!)”
------------------------------
“(Ah,looks like he's done.
  Phew… Thank god!)”
------------------------------
“Urk! Mr President!
  I mean,Your Majesty…”
------------------------------
“Waaah! Sorry!
  Please spare me the ancient curse!”
------------------------------
“(Oh man,not again!)”
------------------------------
“(How many times is this now?)”
------------------------------
“(I've lost count.
   Heh… ‘His Majesty’
   sure does get into this.)”
------------------------------

The old woman and old man are Reeve's parents.  Hence the Scottish also.  The implication is that Reeve's normal accent is the Scottish (or Kansai in Japan) but he fakes a more refined accent as part of Shin-Ra.
« Last Edit: 2014-10-04 10:48:19 by DLPB »

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #6 on: 2014-10-04 18:30:23 »
Thanks, that was really interesting!  Nothing looks too risque except for whatever the King is doing with the Knight in armor. (which apparently is the worst job there) I think something "risque" is happening there, even if Square didn't fully animate it. (not that I want them to!)

I've heard some people debate whether or not that's Shinra (they think he's the President of another company) but I'm inclined to believe he is, since the Shinra are so obsessed with The Promised Land.  The "dead" girl is impossible to fully see without all this stuff.

All these years of wondering... thanks!

http://www.reddit.com/r/finalfantasy7
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Honey_Bee_Inn

(psst!  Post it here to get more hits for your video!)

Also, it's nice to know that AT LEAST ONE OF THE ROOMS actually allows customers to do something with the ladies there, as opposed to just being raped by muscled-up men.
« Last Edit: 2014-10-04 19:34:21 by Seraphim87 »

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #7 on: 2014-10-04 19:01:04 »
The model is the same king as the one in the play at the Gold Saucer, but the line "Mr President" and the other dialogue leads me to believe it is Shinra..  Plus as you say all the promised land stuff.  It's highly likely.
« Last Edit: 2014-10-05 00:28:27 by DLPB »

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #8 on: 2014-10-04 19:36:24 »
The Gold Saucer King is gay as well like the one getting risque with the guy in armor- if Cloud kisses him (I think Cloud only kisses the girls on their hands but he smooches the king on the lips) the King confesses that he loves Cloud.

Cloud also doesn't seem to mind crossdressing, kissing Don Corneo or all the stuff at the Honey Bee Inn.  No matter how hard you slice it, Cloud's definitely batting for the other team.

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #9 on: 2014-10-04 20:01:38 »
...The old woman and old man are Reeve's parents.

I never noticed the references, but it makes sense. Is that why Cait Sith is in the room too, or at least in the field file, with them?

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #10 on: 2014-10-04 20:57:30 »
That is hella messed-up on Reeve's part- who spies on their parents in a love hotel?

Also, do "love hotels" in Japan typically have red overhead lights?  Maybe that's what the strange lighting is a reference to.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psky0hMdj18

ADDED- Yup, that's what that's a reference to!  It also was handy to make things look more "mysterious" via the keyhole.

Any chance of doing an extra video of the keyholes with the red lights included?  I definitely appreciate the removal for added detail (since we can see exactly what Reeve's parents really look like- that belongs on the FF wiki for sure!) but I think the red lights also help to capture the ongoing moods of the people in each room.


As for Shinra- yeah, something "risque" is definitely going on.  If it was just a big cosplay scenario then his wife wouldn't mind so much, and he's clearly not doing anything with the Honey Bee girl in the room.

The Honey Bee Inn really was one big troll for the player- you have all these hot girls running around in skimpy bee outfits and the player's expecting something to happen, but it's really just a gay brothel with female hostesses and a single deluxe room for couples.  I think people who pay for memberships (like the dude who gives away his card) know what it really is, but Cloud doesn't know cause he's just given a card.

Maybe all the girls surrounding the place are meant to hide the fact that customers to the club are looking for guys? (The people outside don't know that Cloud isn't a girl dressed up but they still all oo and ahh over him, suggesting they don't know what's really in the club.)

One more question- does the President's reference to a "curse" and "needing to remove it" have any in-game symbolism or significance?  And is the "Knight" supposed to represent anything?

I know that Cloud gets heavily sick later in the game from Mako poisoning, there could be some kind of reference to that there.  Not sure if the "Knight" is meant to be Tifa or something.
« Last Edit: 2014-10-04 22:49:34 by Seraphim87 »

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #11 on: 2014-10-05 00:24:44 »
I never noticed the references, but it makes sense. Is that why Cait Sith is in the room too, or at least in the field file, with them?

Yeah, it's a clever way to give you a clue as to the fact he is a spy, right from the start. As you can see from the original translation, the reference is completely destroyed there. Some people in Midhir also talk with the same accent, so it's also possible that that's where the writers are saying they are from are from originally. Reeve's parents are also telling you that their son has been made head of a whole department at Shin-Ra (Urban Development).

In any case, the "King", Shinra, also has work colleagues there discussing how they have come all the way from the Gold Saucer. 

Luksy could also check this with Ultimania.
« Last Edit: 2014-10-05 00:31:32 by DLPB »

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #12 on: 2014-10-05 00:45:20 »
I had no idea what Cait Sith was the first time I saw that room- I always assumed that it was.... some kind of weird toy?

Given how tinny Cait Sith is, and with all the weird red lighting and the keyhole, very few people would have picked up on it.

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Re: Honey Bee Inn keyholes mod
« Reply #13 on: 2014-10-05 01:10:34 »
Well the original translation makes it impossible anyway, and there is no accent.  So there's just no way.