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blackdeathmessenger

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #25 on: 2010-06-22 07:47:01 »
Squall is Laguna's son. Mind = Blown

It's not that hard to figure out really,lol. I mean, Raine had a son that she died giving birth to, and Laguna had to be the father, and Squall is kinda like both and neither at the same time. It kinda makes sense for it to be him, really. I mean, otherwise, how would the flashbacks with Ellone really even be possible with someone else?

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« Reply #26 on: 2010-06-22 08:02:14 »
It was never directly implied, only subtle hints were made. I don't know, I guess him dying at the end of Disc 1 could make sense. The game is called Final Fantasy after all.

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« Reply #27 on: 2010-06-22 08:05:46 »
It was never directly implied, only subtle hints were made. I don't know, I guess him dying at the end of Disc 1 could make sense. The game is called Final Fantasy after all.

As true as that is, it does make sense for him to be Laguna's son. And while the game may be called that, that doesn't mean that the main characters die. I mean, really, when the last time a main character died on a Final Fantasy?

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #28 on: 2010-06-22 08:10:20 »
Tidus technically dies at the beginning of Final Fantasy X.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #29 on: 2010-06-22 08:11:25 »
Tidus technically dies at the beginning of Final Fantasy X.

Technically, he was already dead when it started,lol.

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« Reply #30 on: 2010-06-22 08:21:06 »
I suppose it's how you interpret the events. Final Fantasy X had some small loopholes in the story.

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« Reply #31 on: 2010-06-22 08:25:09 »
I suppose it's how you interpret the events. Final Fantasy X had some small loopholes in the story.

As true as that is, he was technically just a dream, so everyone else was real, and he technically wasn't, they could just see him.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #32 on: 2010-06-22 08:38:40 »
I suppose it's how you interpret the events. Final Fantasy X had some small loopholes in the story.

As true as that is, he was technically just a dream, so everyone else was real, and he technically wasn't, they could just see him.
If they could "just see him" he wouldn't have been able to physically affect anything much less do battle and kiss the heroine. I believe he falls under the same category as summons. In fact it's hard to relate FFX-2 when he was able to come back. After all, in FFX once all the fayth had been "stoned" or lost their forms whatever, he started fading away. So then who was the fayth that allowed him to come back (besides the obvious kid behamoth fayth)

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #33 on: 2010-06-22 08:40:43 »
I suppose it's how you interpret the events. Final Fantasy X had some small loopholes in the story.

As true as that is, he was technically just a dream, so everyone else was real, and he technically wasn't, they could just see him.
If they could "just see him" he wouldn't have been able to physically affect anything much less do battle and kiss the heroine. I believe he falls under the same category as summons. In fact it's hard to relate FFX-2 when he was able to come back. After all, in FFX once all the fayth had been "stoned" or lost their forms whatever, he started fading away. So then who was the fayth that allowed him to come back (besides the obvious kid behamoth fayth)

Well, I dunno about a summons, or that much about the mechanics of the game, I just know what is true within the game reality, and the reality is that he was a dream of the faith, and therefore not alive.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #34 on: 2010-06-22 11:31:06 »
Hmm I for one actually agree with Tidus like the summons because he was also being summoned or is a dream of fayth like the summons. :)

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #35 on: 2010-06-22 12:28:16 »
Hmm I for one actually agree with Tidus like the summons because he was also being summoned or is a dream of fayth like the summons. :)

Well, it could be true, but who knows, really. For all we know it could be something totally different then a direct summon by the Fayth. I just couldn't say what though.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #36 on: 2010-06-22 14:57:39 »
Hmm I for one actually agree with Tidus like the summons because he was also being summoned or is a dream of fayth like the summons. :)

Well, it could be true, but who knows, really. For all we know it could be something totally different then a direct summon by the Fayth. I just couldn't say what though.
Well. I think that since they portray him in the farplain in FFX-2 (endgame scenes not the one where shuyin shows up) that he obviously has a soul. So he had to have lived to some compacity. Everything in that world is made up of pyreflies just like how all living things in ff7 are made up of lifestream. So to that capacity of course tidus was alive.

... We may have to split this off into another discussion considering this thread is about squall. FFX Tidus being alive is a whole new discussion in of itself.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #37 on: 2010-06-22 15:06:50 »
Also, I read what someone posted about Final Fantasy X, and technically, Tidus was never alive in the whole game.

I was going to bring that argument up too. But if you think about it this way, Tidus might have been a normal kid living in a real city, and after the attack of Sin in Zanarkand during the game, he could have just died there and had this "life-flashing-before-his-eyes" sequence like Squall's in that theory, and he could have merely just imagined that he is nothing but a dream, and it could ahve been a reflection on his life about how he's always felt insignificant deep down. :P :P

I think this thread needs to be changed to all final fantasy characters are dead. :P

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #38 on: 2010-06-22 15:40:09 »
I think this thread needs to be changed to all final fantasy characters are dead. :P

So all final fantasy fans are technically necrophiliacs?

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #39 on: 2010-06-22 15:42:54 »
I think this thread needs to be changed to all final fantasy characters are dead. :P

So all final fantasy fans are technically necrophiliacs?

More importantly, does this mean that rule 34 on FF is illegal here in Britain? ;D (f*ck our draconian porn laws >:()

If it is, I'd better nuke some sections of my HDD (not many sections, however...)

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #40 on: 2010-06-22 15:49:42 »
I think this thread needs to be changed to all final fantasy characters are dead. :P

So all final fantasy fans are technically necrophiliacs?

More importantly, does this mean that rule 34 on FF is illegal here in Britain? ;D (f*ck our draconian porn laws >:()

If it is, I'd better nuke some sections of my HDD (not many sections, however...)
Whosawhat? No porn in Britain. How're you guys supposed to wank?

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #41 on: 2010-06-22 16:04:51 »
I think this thread needs to be changed to all final fantasy characters are dead. :P

So all final fantasy fans are technically necrophiliacs?

More importantly, does this mean that rule 34 on FF is illegal here in Britain? ;D (f*ck our draconian porn laws >:()

If it is, I'd better nuke some sections of my HDD (not many sections, however...)
Whosawhat? No porn in Britain. How're you guys supposed to wank?

There's porn, but the former government took a dim view on kinky stuff and I doubt the current one will be any better. Extreme S&M, necrophilia and bestiality are all out, and British porn laws tend not to distinguish between real people and drawings. If all of the characters in FF are dead, then that means...

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #42 on: 2010-06-22 16:27:46 »
I think this thread needs to be changed to all final fantasy characters are dead. :P

So all final fantasy fans are technically necrophiliacs?

More importantly, does this mean that rule 34 on FF is illegal here in Britain? ;D (f*ck our draconian porn laws >:()

If it is, I'd better nuke some sections of my HDD (not many sections, however...)
Whosawhat? No porn in Britain. How're you guys supposed to wank?

There's porn, but the former government took a dim view on kinky stuff and I doubt the current one will be any better. Extreme S&M, necrophilia and bestiality are all out, and British porn laws tend not to distinguish between real people and drawings. If all of the characters in FF are dead, then that means...
oh got ya. Jeez. My whole thing is if it's not made out to be "against the law" not as many people would feel like breaking it. Restrictions are a way to go but making stuff completely illegal will just make people want it more.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #43 on: 2010-06-22 16:27:51 »
I have no issue with that, I think all porn should be banned from TV, if you want porn search for it yourself online.  That is the place for it, in your own time, not forcing it on a population who pay a tv license.  I also don't like the pron industry as a whole.  Sure I have watched porn but it was all free, it was not being paid for.  I find the whole thing immoral when it is big business.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #44 on: 2010-06-22 16:54:48 »
I have no issue with that, I think all porn should be banned from TV, if you want porn search for it yourself online.  That is the place for it, in your own time, not forcing it on a population who pay a tv license.  I also don't like the pron industry as a whole.  Sure I have watched porn but it was all free, it was not being paid for.  I find the whole thing immoral when it is big business.

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Ah, I see. When there's something I don't want to watch on TV, I just change the channel or turn the TV off (not that it's usually turned on in the first place). That "off" button is one of the best ways to stop people forcing porn on you, I find.

Also, I really don't think that such a subjective thing as "morality" (dangerously close to personal taste, usually with the backing of a religion) is a very good way to decide what it legal and what isn't. I also think that we've put ourselves on a very slippery slope by letting the unholy alliance of femnazis and christfags down in Westminster decide what we are and aren't allowed to do based on what they consider "immoral" or whatever, and we've put ourselves on a very slippery slope by getting into a way of thinking whereby we see fit to ban things simply because we don't like them even if they don't directly harm anyone.

Personally, I consider trying to force one's own prudishness on others to be immoral. Perhaps I should try to have it banned?

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #45 on: 2010-06-22 17:23:38 »
Like your rebuke Kudistos.

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Well, here in the US most "porn" on television is only on pay for view channels. So still up to the person. Don't know how much you brits get in terms of porn on television.

In terms of it being a "big business" it just is taking a part of simple human nature just like food, water, and shelter; making it into a product. Sex can be the animalistic pleasure it is or it can be romantic, or whatever other fantasy you would like it to be.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #46 on: 2010-06-22 17:30:05 »
@Seif
Well, here in the US most "porn" on television is only on pay for view channels. So still up to the person. Don't know how much you brits get in terms of porn on television.

It's basically the same here; on "normal" channels there are occasionally (very) soft porn flicks, and we get those documentaries about sex that are really an excuse for more soft porn. Or we did, at any rate. I'm not sure whether that still happens any more; the last time I watched that kind of stuff was before broadband became nearly universal and everyone had access to far superior porn.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #47 on: 2010-06-22 17:47:10 »
Wow, this thread derailed hard.

Final Fantasy VIII -> Final Fantasy X(-2) -> Porn

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #48 on: 2010-06-22 18:40:37 »
Final Fantasy X-2 -> Porn

This is the only logical route any conversation can take, after FFX-2.

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Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« Reply #49 on: 2010-06-22 18:40:41 »
The red wings got shot down. Cecil must be dreaming - going to the moon?

Bartz gets hit by a meteor. After spending so much time chained to his boring village, his response is to create a grand fantasy reaffirming his importance as a warrior of light.

Terra was killed by Quezacotl at Narshe. The rest of the game is a hallucination seeded by magitek, the artefacts of Kefka's torture, and the Magicite's presence.

Cloud got skewered by Sephiroth. The game is his own dream, finally granting him Hero status.

Squall's dead.

Zidane got his head crushed by Beatrix at the end of the first disc. Terra is his own projection, wondering where he'd come from.

Tidus was just a dream.

Reks was the real main character of XII. He couldn't internalize Gabranth's betrayal, so put together a parallel tale about his 'parallel twin' and Vaan.

Ramza was blown up at Ziekden fortress; Delita becomes his eroticized fantasy of a man who creates a better path for the nation.

Qhimm's dead; this is just a nightmare about forum life - endless iterations of borken board software, trolls, prats, spam, and crap.
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