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« Reply #25 on: 2011-01-17 02:09:35 »
There are far more points to make but to sum it up, 6,7,8,9,10 are light years ahead of 12 and 13.  The newer Final Fantasy games take choice away from you, they take gameplay away from you and they have lazy storytelling and graphics as a substitute for intelligent game design.

These are not good things.  They are game flaws.  Serious ones.

So, what do you think of the first five games? ;D

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« Reply #26 on: 2011-01-17 02:15:36 »
There are far more points to make but to sum it up, 6,7,8,9,10 are light years ahead of 12 and 13.  The newer Final Fantasy games take choice away from you, they take gameplay away from you and they have lazy storytelling and graphics as a substitute for intelligent game design.

These are not good things.  They are game flaws.  Serious ones.

So, what do you think of the first five games? ;D
Warning: whatever your answer, speak no ill of FFIV. You go to the fucking moon in that game, and Cecil's character development is some of the best I've ever seen in anything.

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« Reply #27 on: 2011-01-17 02:17:18 »
FFIV is overrated and Cecil is an emo.

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« Reply #28 on: 2011-01-17 02:23:14 »
FFIV is overrated and Cecil is an emo.
You're only saying that because I said not to speak ill of the game.

Cecil is a unique type of character. He starts out emo and then grows the hell up. You never see that in stories, usually if the protagonist is emo, it's glorified (see FFVIII).

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« Reply #29 on: 2011-01-17 02:35:14 »
Oh. XIII-2. I wonder how many ways this will suck?

Anyway, I-II are unplayable in their original form. III is passable; IV is good fun; V has a paper thin story but a great mechanic; VI is overrated but solid; VII is... something for another time; VIII is lovably broken; IX does nothing different but does everything better, X had a nice mechanic; Vaan I have publicly called a 'sallow faced eunuch' and 'Turkish rent boy', so you already know my sentiments.

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« Reply #30 on: 2011-01-17 03:24:16 »
I think my favorite final fantasy is either 8 or 6, both for reasons of the plot

based on the music, ff8 is my favorite
for actual gameplay, ff6 had lots of characters, ff7 the materia system, ff8 the junction system but suffered greatly from how unbalanced it was and that normal mobs advanced indefinitely high and bosses did not, ff9 was very specialized but fun
for characters, it's definitely final fantasy 6. Terra and Kefka.

No final fantasy deserves any mention in any "best game ever" topics. But most excel in at least one or two categories over many, MANY other games.  However, the new games, ff10, 10-2, 12, 13 show a increasing tendency that the aim for good overall but no longer for very good and excellent in some points

nowadays, final fantasy is just another fucking mainstream franchise that has to cater to the ever younger growing demographic to make a profit. back when ff5 and ff6 came out, the average player was probably around 16-18+
Nowadays, it's more like 10. They still try to appeal to the older fans with some bullshit thrown in, but its not working. One tiny little "very good" isn't enough to make up for years of experiencing very good and excellent in almost and sometimes over half the game

I'm just waiting for the FINAL final fantasy because nothing in this world can be milked indefinitely. They lost a LOT of fans and people with ff13 and that hurt badly. All the money and time that went into ff13 wasn't enough to get anywhere as much sales as they wanted. SQX fucked themselves really bad with that one. I already fear for the future

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« Reply #31 on: 2011-01-17 03:59:13 »
I have to admit, I have not played 1,2,3,4,5 properly...  I did get reasonably far in 4 and 5, and have to try again.  I doubt I will be playing the others....  maybe 3 if that remake is any good?

As for VIII Music, I agree...  it was great.  In fact if I remember rightly, Nobuo's favourite soundtrack is VIII as well.
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« Reply #32 on: 2011-01-17 06:05:20 »
nowadays, final fantasy is just another f*cking mainstream franchise that has to cater to the ever younger growing demographic to make a profit. back when ff5 and ff6 came out, the average player was probably around 16-18+
Nowadays, it's more like 10. They still try to appeal to the older fans with some bullsh*t thrown in, but its not working. One tiny little "very good" isn't enough to make up for years of experiencing very good and excellent in almost and sometimes over half the game

I'm just waiting for the FINAL final fantasy because nothing in this world can be milked indefinitely. They lost a LOT of fans and people with ff13 and that hurt badly. All the money and time that went into ff13 wasn't enough to get anywhere as much sales as they wanted. SQX f*cked themselves really bad with that one. I already fear for the future

Whut? In my part of the world, a video game was generally something for kids in the 80's and early 90's. As these kids grew up, they continue to play. I hardly know any 35+ year olds with gaming as a part of their lives, 'cause they weren't kids back then.

FF10 wasn't the 1st FF being heavily bashed by fans. The 1st FF was FF8. 'Cause of the junction system and "weird" story.
Then FF9 'cause of the medieval style (young FF fans hadn't played the early FFs), and recycled storyline.

Why the bashing? The reason is simply, 'cause the FFs changed too much; some can't cope. Change pisses people off and makes 'em focus on the negative. The truth is that one could dig up much sh*t on every FF.

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« Reply #33 on: 2011-01-17 09:53:58 »
Well I never criticised 6,7,8,9,10 as bad games (in fact I liked them all), but I have done with X-2, XII, XIII and all the other crap cash in spin offs for very good reason.  That reason is: they are dumbed down and nothing as good as the ones I just mentioned.  I like change, if that change is positive and building on what went before.

Dismissing criticisms of XII and XIII as "just fear of change" isn't a rational viewpoint when I can compare the games to such a point that it becomes obvious that they are taking lots of things away in this so called "change" and replacing it with nothing more than flashy graphics.  That isn't really in dispute here, it is clearly visible.  From bad storytelling, lack of decent story and character development, missing enemy skills, missing puzzles, missing minigames, missing interactive NPC, bloated FMV sequences and cut scenes, missing choice of allies and selections in battle, missing traditional towns, and repayable areas and 1000 other things.

This isn't just people imagining a dumbing down.  IT IS a dumbing down.
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« Reply #34 on: 2011-01-17 13:57:21 »
What have I unleashed? :o

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« Reply #35 on: 2011-01-18 04:54:51 »
Dismissing criticisms of XII and XIII as "just fear of change" isn't a rational viewpoint...

Given the context I understand why you assumed I was talking 'bout criticism. I wasn't. There are a lot of reasonable criticism out there, but also a huge portion of mindless bashing. And I wasn't referring to "fear of change", but change only. You don't have to fear something to not like it. Many people would love to see their favorite FF recycled again, and again (at least you can assume that if you take their bashing seriously).

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« Reply #36 on: 2011-01-18 07:15:03 »
At some point bashing becomes justified
If square goes down the route of dumbing down their games even more, they will eventually reach ground zero
and thats when the series will die

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« Reply #37 on: 2011-01-18 09:45:01 »
And we have an announcement:



Due to be released this year
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« Reply #38 on: 2011-01-18 10:26:09 »
At some point bashing becomes justified
If square goes down the route of dumbing down their games even more, they will eventually reach ground zero
and thats when the series will die

That heavily depends on what you say. It's possible to extract arguments from hate speech. Look at the example below:

Quote from: Hater
wtf, where is the world map? I DEMAND A F*¤%& WORLD MAP!!! What idiot designs a FF with no world map?? Any FF without a world map sucks!!

Then the argument could be something like this: "Any game (or FF) without a world map is bad game design."

And we have an announcement:



Due to be released this year

So it isn't versus 13? hmm, then I guess it's more likely to suck, just as 10-2 did.

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« Reply #39 on: 2011-01-18 10:34:19 »
Good god they will do anything for cash won't they nowadays..  how many of you are going to fall for it I wonder ;)

I am so glad I sold my PS3... it was that or sell my soul to these pretenders.  Square have gone from laughing at the fanbase to  pissing all over them as they laugh.
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Good god they will do anything for cash won't they nowadays..  how many of you are going to fall for it I wonder ;)

I am so glad I sold my PS3... it was that or sell my soul to these pretenders.  Square have gone from laughing at the fanbase to  pissing all over them as they laugh.
You must not have heard about the 3.55 custom firmware

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« Reply #42 on: 2011-01-18 15:08:36 »
Trailers:
FF XIII-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idFwMWONzbk

FF Versus XIII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idkV0iaH0pA

Haven't really watched the XIII-2 one yet as I haven't completed XIII, butI must say, I do like the look of Versus.

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« Reply #43 on: 2011-01-18 18:55:50 »
Good god they will do anything for cash won't they nowadays..  how many of you are going to fall for it I wonder ;)

I am so glad I sold my PS3... it was that or sell my soul to these pretenders.  Square have gone from laughing at the fanbase to  pissing all over them as they laugh.
You'd be advised not to make assumptions. Sure, you're probably right, but when you take on such a negative, self-righteous tone about it, and act as if you know exactly what the game is gonna be from a name and a short, uninformative trailer, you come across sounding like a tool.

I, for one, am gonna wait on making a decision until reviews come in. Specifically, EGM, because they hold themselves to a higher standard than IGN, Gamespot, Game Informer, and the like, and are less likely to allow themselves to be paid off for a good review, as well as player reviews. Being a hype-proof robot, I have not formed an opinion on this game yet, and do not plan on doing so.

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« Reply #44 on: 2011-01-18 21:29:08 »
Yes, I am probably right.  End of ;)  The fact is, Square is taking everyone for a ride and has been quite a while.  I gave them chance after chance, and you seem to want to give them 1 more chance.

At what point will you just give in like I have?

I wouldn't mind so much, but what exactly do enix have to do before people wake up and stop supplying them the money they crave to carry on acting in the same manner?  I want the great games to come back and it isn't going to happen while we keep giving them "chances" and buying their games "before we judge".  Once you have bought it, that's the end of it as far as they are concerned.
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« Reply #45 on: 2011-01-18 22:11:30 »
it isn't going to happen while we keep giving them "chances" and buying their games "before we judge".  Once you have bought it, that's the end of it as far as they are concerned.
That's why I suggest waiting until reviews come in. I'm not gonna buy it before judging it, but I'm not gonna judge it before anyone's played it either.

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« Reply #46 on: 2011-01-18 22:21:13 »
I am just going by trends, and I won't trust the magazine reviews, they are corrupt.  I will read all of the user reviews :)

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« Reply #47 on: 2011-01-18 22:27:46 »
I am just going by trends, and I won't trust the magazine reviews, they are corrupt.  I will read all of the user reviews :)
Agreed about 99% of magazines, and websites. EGM is clean though. They've made a point of that, it's one of the only reasons they are able to be around today.

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« Reply #48 on: 2011-01-19 18:46:19 »

i am starting to see a pattern here.

- make a sequel
- reuse old characters
- make them closer to being butt naked.
- hope for fangasm
- profit!!!

not that i mind, though.

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« Reply #49 on: 2011-01-21 15:07:30 »
I mind.
And more people should mind.
If I want porn or soft-core porn I can just go hit the next sex shop. I don't need a goddamn video game console for that.
fuck you square enix. fuck you japan.
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