Author Topic: [FF7PC] Nightmare 7 - Total Game Conversion (1.02)  (Read 199519 times)

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #100 on: 2012-10-13 16:57:52 »
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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #101 on: 2012-10-13 17:39:37 »
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When you first posted your OVA, it had links to your website with illegal torrents of the game. I find all your comments about copying work ironic.

The only thing ironic is apart from your complaints about stealing (taking any material without permission is steal, he didn't ask me if he could use the material before he uploaded his demo) you stand like the bad guy, but finally is the only person that can't upload the content is he.

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Did you put anything after the end of Demo? Your videos show event in Kalm, Wutai, Whirlwind Maze.
I finished translating your mod and successfully put it into Nightmare 7 ( I fixed quite a few bugs, too, and added more stuff )
If you need help to test events or code them, I might be able to help now. I learned a lot from fixing your script.
Because I'm busy too, I will only be able to help if in exchange I can use your events ( you are credited in the prelude credits ingame and thread in forum for new field events )  in Nightmare 7.

He didn't conform with the work of my demo, he also wanted the work I show in my videos (not published), in addition he offers his help in exchange of this.
This is a joke?
Hadn't I help him enough?
Its main of the problem, abuse.
Really is this good for the community too?

Also share If he agrees I can think in offer everything, or better, if you want I can change the name of my mod and call it nightmare 7.


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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #102 on: 2012-10-13 18:04:23 »
The only thing ironic is apart from your complaints about stealing (taking any material without permission is steal, he didn't ask me if he could use the material before he uploaded his demo) you stand like the bad guy, but finally is the only person that can't upload the content is he.

You also host Aali's driver and other mods without permission ( and you didn't ask for permission before you hosted them and have your users install them by requirement to use OVA. ) so by your own logic, you stole those mods.

He didn't conform with the work of my demo, he also wanted the work I show in my videos (not published), in addition he offers his help in exchange of this.

http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=13468.msg192957#msg192957

This is a joke?
Hadn't I help him enough?

I remember when you kept asking me if NFITC got back to me on that materia growth hack. Or how to disable new materia being born at master. Or the rotating battle bgm, or the field variables I used.

Its main of the problem, abuse.
Really is this good for the community too?

Drama and lying isn't better, mind you.

Also share If he agrees I can think in offer everything, or better, if you want I can change the name of my mod and call it nightmare 7.

Go ahead. Do it.  8)
I'd actually take it as compliment if someone went through the trouble to combine my mod with another.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #103 on: 2012-10-13 18:16:34 »
The only thing ironic is apart from your complaints about stealing (taking any material without permission is steal, he didn't ask me if he could use the material before he uploaded his demo) you stand like the bad guy, but finally is the only person that can't upload the content is he.

Your idea of being ironic is not accurate. I didn't complain about whether he was stealing, and I didn't comment at all on the truthfulness of him asking or not. Those are irrelevant to my comment, and I leave them for you two to dispute.

What I said was that you originally posted a website link with torrent downloads to illegal game files. That means, as some point, you stole the game. The irony lies in the fact that you posted a complaint in the Announcements about someone stealing your work. Therefore, my comment still stands that it remains ironic how you started on this site dealing with the topic of stealing, and will probably now end on this site with the topic of stealing. That is irony at it's finest.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #104 on: 2012-10-13 18:24:31 »
Your idea of being ironic is not accurate. I didn't complain about whether he was stealing, and I didn't comment at all on the truthfulness of him asking or not. Those are irrelevant to my comment, and I leave them for you two to dispute.

What I said was that you originally posted a website link with torrent downloads to illegal game files. That means, as some point, you stole the game. The irony lies in the fact that you posted a complaint in the Announcements about someone stealing your work. Therefore, my comment still stands that it remains ironic how you started on this site dealing with the topic of stealing, and will probably now end on this site with the topic of stealing. That is irony at it's finest.


Don't forget about stealing the mods he hosts there without permission.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #105 on: 2012-10-13 18:42:46 »

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You also host Aali's driver and other mods without permission ( and you didn't ask for permission before you hosted them and have your users install them by requirement to use OVA. ) so by your own logic, you stole those mods.

The moderator saw my page and there were no problem, it only forgot the torrent of FF7
In the end I'm going to be the thief, right? xD

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I remember when you kept asking me if NFITC got back to me on that materia growth hack. Or how to disable new materia being born at master. Or the rotating battle bgm, or the field variables I used.

Right, others did that work for you again.

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Your idea of being ironic is not accurate. I didn't complain about whether he was stealing, and I didn't comment at all on the truthfulness of him asking or not. Those are irrelevant to my comment, and I leave them for you two to dispute.

What I said was that you originally posted a website link with torrent downloads to illegal game files. That means, as some point, you stole the game. The irony lies in the fact that you posted a complaint in the Announcements about someone stealing your work. Therefore, my comment still stands that it remains ironic how you started on this site dealing with the topic of stealing, and will probably now end on this site with the topic of stealing. That is irony at it's finest.

For that reason I have to share my work? By forgetting to remove a link?

The problem is abuse, annoy me at the end.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #106 on: 2012-10-13 18:50:20 »
The moderator saw my page and there were no problem, it only forgot the torrent of FF7
In the end I'm going to be the thief, right? xD.

You "forgot" to remove the torrent. So you admit that you were distributing the game illegally. And there only is 'no problem' because that site is not Qhimm. It's still stealing their work, no warped double standard for you good sir. If I'm a thief, then so are you, as evident.

But then again, I can take your mod and put it into Nightmare as much as I want as long as I host it elsewhere and don't link to it here.  8)

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Right, others did that work for you again.
Correction: they did for you, since you were the instigator of the question.

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For that reason I have to share my work? By forgetting to remove a link?

The problem is abuse, annoy me at the end.

You don't seem to fully grasp what EQ is saying.

I have no idea what you are trying to make a point of anyway. Right now you're yelling at me for using your work without permission. You host several mods without permission. Maybe you should yell at yourself first?

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #107 on: 2012-10-13 19:26:06 »
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You "forgot" to remove the torrent. So you admit that you were distributing the game illegally. And there only is 'no problem' because that site is not Qhimm. It's still stealing their work, no warped double standard for you good sir. If I'm a thief, then so are you, as evident.

Nobody Told me this bad, and moderator qhimm view the page, you can not say "you're stealing," They publish to share.

The mods are for playing mainly and to respect their development.

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But then again, I can take your mod and put it into Nightmare as much as I want as long as I do not host it elsewhere and link to it here. 8)

You're a genius

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Correction: they did for you, since you were the instigator of the question.

Correction: for you also.

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I have no idea what you are trying to make a point of anyway. Right now you're yelling at me for using your work without permission. You host several mods without permission. Maybe you should yell at yourself first?

Not for me, just make it easy for members, only for them, not a problem to remove the links, but I think it's no problem for authors.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #108 on: 2012-10-13 19:53:33 »
Cloudiar would you be satisified if he gave you like a lot of credit for the ova thing with thanks and that and maybe even him linking to your thread around the top where it gains most attention? That way alot of people will know you spent that this is your work? You will get a lot of recognition this way for your work i guess
« Last Edit: 2012-10-13 21:03:26 by e1sunz »

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #109 on: 2012-10-13 20:14:32 »
Enough.

If you two want to battle it out do it elsewhere. I am very close to just banning the both of you and be done with it.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #110 on: 2012-10-14 01:18:22 »
Cloudiar would you be satisified if he gave you like a lot of credit for the ova thing with thanks and that and maybe even him linking to your thread around the top where it gains most attention?

Sans the linking to his thread, that was how things were before.

I'll actually heed SL and stop here ( just wanted to explain that last thing to e1sunz )

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #111 on: 2012-10-14 01:39:03 »
Well that's closed, so kuugen any updates on the nightmare mod?

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #112 on: 2012-10-14 02:19:53 »
is there a way to add or change locations on the world map. for example not saying you should do this but adding the cliff where zack dies to a cliff outside midgar with a small event to add to the flashback.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #113 on: 2012-10-14 02:25:34 »
I'm mostly waiting for bug reports from the people I know that play it. So far, theres a few ( question text boxes aren't sized properly, there was a glitch for infinite megalixirs in the ova version. ) and I'm fixing them as they get reported. I won't be uploading countless new versions but wait until they got far enough.
Other than that, making plans for some events here and there ( Shopping Week in Kalm ) ( Mirror Party following you after Midgar and repeatedly forcing you into fights. Gonna need to ask NxK about some AI stuff first for this one )
Gambling House in Junon.
Some other stuff.

edit: posted during my reply omega :p
World Map editing is possible but incredibly complex. And right now, you can't really add "locations" you can enter. You can only change existing cells. I know i saw a screenshot of someone ( might actually have been aali ) over a year ago. Technically, since the cliff is in a cutscene, I could add it as a regular field via mapjumps and specific checks but right now that's not planned. I'll keep it in mind though. The story of Nightmare 7 is original though so any flashback you might have in mind will be different from what you imagine.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #114 on: 2012-10-14 02:39:47 »
i was just stating the cliffs as an example to further explain what i was asking. nice info though thanks

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #115 on: 2012-10-14 03:02:36 »
I would also like to test this, but can't get bootleg to work right.. I just manually install all mods I'm using, maybe I'll just let the elites do the testing.. I don't think I can be of much help on that part anyway, LoL :) :)

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #116 on: 2012-10-15 19:30:15 »
Oh, I see that you are still using my material in your mod, but now instead of using everything you only use the most important material of my mod, thanks!, you used my code only (partially or completely) in these fields:

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #117 on: 2012-10-15 20:33:00 »
it just seems like really small cookies

but i don't write code so maybe i'm mistaken

i took a Java class once, quit going about half way through, didnt take the final... guy gave me a D wtf shoulda been an F i was outraged.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #118 on: 2012-10-15 20:57:02 »
I checked, here you can see some things that used:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCPU9mCjqOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxDdH4daD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2mSzAK3aS8

This is only some examples, besides those videos are my alpha version, currently uses corrected versions of my demo.

I thought the only finally use some, but surprise, uses 90% of the changes (events) offered in my mod.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #119 on: 2012-10-15 21:13:11 »
it just seems like really small cookies

but i don't write code so maybe i'm mistaken

i took a Java class once, quit going about half way through, didnt take the final... guy gave me a D wtf shoulda been an F i was outraged.

Erm... did you accidentally post in the wrong thread?

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #120 on: 2012-10-15 21:41:54 »
I am not going to take either party here, or to increase the flame war or anything (this will be my only post), but here is my point.

You did something very good with OVA, and Kuugen took it as a base for his own code. You published something on the Internet, too bad, it's no longer yours. That's sad but that's how things are. On another note, yes, it would have been really cool if you could have kept the code you made for yourself, and I understand it can be raging. Sadly, nobody can control something once it's on the Internet. Delete it, and soon after it will be back. Post something, claim ownership, copyright or anything, people don't care, they still use it, or crack or whatever. It may look like I'm defending Kuugen, but I'm not. From what I understood, Kuugen thought you agreed, and when you said you didn't want your code in theirs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but please do so in PM. There's already enough talking in this thread.

Yes, this is sad. But that's how it is.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #121 on: 2012-10-15 21:53:20 »
Erm... did you accidentally post in the wrong thread?

nah, man. kinda poking fun at what a trainwreck this thread became. small cookies is good for you, don't struggle.

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #122 on: 2012-10-15 21:57:00 »
nah, man. kinda poking fun at what a trainwreck this thread became. small cookies is good for you, don't struggle.

I prefer tea with biscuits instead of cookies
hmmmm biscuits...
back on topic, fixed a few more bugs and trying to fix that bug in my nose thats causing it to constantly run and produce snot

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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #123 on: 2012-10-15 21:57:30 »
I'm with VGR here. You made a great thing, but it's also a bugged thing. Kuugen is working on making it less buggy, and better. He's taking the time to improve what you started not just putting a new name on it and calling it his. Once you post something into a download file, that's all she wrote. You gave other people permission to use and in this case edit what you made the minute you uploaded it, like VGR said. Why not help the product that has origins in what you made, and take pride in the fact you made something someone thought was worth using and working on for a massive game? Hell, he's even gave you credit for your program. At this point you're coming off pretty unreasonable and a bit asinine. It'd be like me designing a world map texture and then being pissed off at Squeenix for using it in a game they came out with or someone being upset if Kuugen decided to use a boss they retextured or designed for Nightmare VII. Makes no sense whatsoever.
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Re: [WIP/REL] Nightmare 7, Includes Hardcore and Aerith Revival
« Reply #124 on: 2012-10-15 22:12:49 »
@kuugen
Hi sir, I didn't get the feedback on the black diamond weapon, did it passed the standards of its critics??