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« Reply #25 on: 2013-09-21 00:13:49 »
I don't believe I was very snarling. :?

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« Reply #26 on: 2013-09-22 12:29:50 »
Well snarling is hard to do in text. :P It was partly an inside joke/dig to begin with because you and I have gone over this territory before, so I was attempting to be playfully aggressive... I kinda failed looking back and it's just more aggressive. :-(

I think there's always a bit of competitiveness in fanboy-ism. Obviously I wish I could reference 2 TITANs or even a single 680 but it's not realistic for me at the present time. I'm hopeful that the 7950 will be enough for what I'm trying to do and I can build a whole new 60fps at nearly max settings on 1 display type system for someone that will cost less than half of one of those cards.

In time I really want to do a three display racing simulator like this, so there is a lot more to consider than just how ugly or pretty is it and how much was this single component of the whole package. It ain't cheap.

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« Reply #27 on: 2013-09-22 23:17:19 »
Not all Nvidia cards are expensive. You can get a 2 gig 660 for $190 if you have Amazon Prime. If not, then it's $245. Provided you have good specs, a 660 can run even Metro:2033 on max settings DX11 with PhysX.

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« Reply #28 on: 2013-09-23 17:00:39 »
AMD is by far the superior value for budget gaming. Below about $400, an AMD card will almost always outperform a similar-priced NVIDIA card. Nonetheless, I stick to NVIDIA these days because I've had better luck with their drivers in the past, because I've had fewer shader issues with them (ff7's own issues with both cards aside), and because there's still quite a few apps out there that support CUDA but not OpenCL, giving them a significant performance boost only on NVIDIA.

Provided you have good specs, a 660 can run even Metro:2033 on max settings DX11 with PhysX.
Not at 1080p 60fps you can't. I've got a 660 Ti, and it's a great little card, but the fact remains that it's mid-range among the current generation of graphics cards. It's never gonna get top-end performance; even next to a 7950, it costs a bit more, and its gaming performance is a bit worse.

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« Reply #29 on: 2013-09-23 23:43:12 »
Eh, I got 60 fps on Metro with max settings when I had a 660, but that might have been because of my ungodly specs. Every setup is different I guess. Nevertheless you're probably more informed than me on AMD so I'll take your word. Nvidia is the way to go if money is not a factor though.

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« Reply #30 on: 2013-09-24 01:01:59 »
I'm gonna go ahead and call this $190 Powercolor (after rebate if it goes thru) 7950 V5E a big mfkg winner. Very nice boost in a lot of ways of this overpriced and overrated Asus7870Ghz edition I have here. I'm going to buy another one (and I won't have to do the rebate because only 1 per household). Just got it today and the single card is ripping sh*t up and I have it at stock. Running way cool 68 degrees so I'm hopeful it will also be a good overclocker and last long enough to get my money's worth.
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« Reply #31 on: 2013-10-08 01:46:37 »
Well by the end of this decade we should have consumer level processors that use photonic light instead of silicon, and there are still some people trying to make 3d CPU's.  Also intel is working on a new programming language that mimics the way the human brain works.  When/if these all happen we will see another quantum leap in computing.  Intel seems pretty confident with its light based computing so that will probably happen, but the 3d chips are having serious heating issues and there is not a lot of new info about that new language so I can't say how practical it is.  As for the short term I am holding out for intel Skylake which is supposed to be a true SoC powerhouse.  I am kinda hoping intergrated graphics mostly catch up because intel graphics have the best open source support :D and I have given up on proprietary systems almost completely.

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« Reply #32 on: 2013-10-08 02:48:28 »
Reading what I have about neuroscience, we have no idea yet how the human brain works in any proper detail needed for this, so a processor based on it sounds extremely fanciful.  To give you some idea, a worm 1mm wide with 302 neurons and around 7000 connections took 10 years to document the connections alone (and the project to emulate it is prob still another 10-20 years away, even if possible).  Humans have around 85 billion neurons and 10E14–10E15 synapses.  We understand the very basics of the mind, and no more.  We don't even know why red looks like red (assuming my red even looks like your red).
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« Reply #33 on: 2013-10-08 12:25:18 »
Reading what I have about neuroscience, we have no idea yet how the human brain works in any proper detail needed for this, so a processor based on it sounds extremely fanciful.  To give you some idea, a worm 1mm wide with 302 neurons and around 7000 connections took 10 years to document the connections alone (and the project to emulate it is prob still another 10-20 years away, even if possible).  Humans have around 85 billion neurons and 10E14–10E15 synapses.  We understand the very basics of the mind, and no more.  We don't even know why red looks like red (assuming my red even looks like your red).
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« Reply #34 on: 2013-10-08 13:10:20 »
Oh I am fairly sure that in time there will be a way to alter memories and function (at least to some extent), but the time scale we are talking here is a lot greater than people think.  Neuroscientists would give a much better indication of what is possible and how long it may take.

Since 1900 how far have we even come to beating cancer?  We still can't do it.  We can't beat the common cold and that's the entire history of mankind trying to tackle it.  We are simply very limited for the time being, and any breakthroughs are small, and take a loooong time, bit by bit.
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« Reply #35 on: 2013-10-08 15:08:19 »
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Since 1900 how far have we even come to beating cancer?  We still can't do it.  We can't beat the common cold and that's the entire history of mankind trying to tackle it.  We are simply very limited for the time being, and any breakthroughs are small, and take a loooong time, bit by bit.

17-Year-Old Girl Creates Nanoparticle That Kills Cancer

The question is how BIG is the economy with cancer patients? I don't think that the 'Cancer-Lobby' is really interested in true cure of it, as long it would mean that they will lose theirs money hors.

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« Reply #36 on: 2013-10-08 15:21:49 »
That doesn't cure it though...

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Like one guest has already mentioned, while it's obviously quite an accomplishment to create a nanoparticle at age 17, it's not worth much in cancer treatment. If she had created something that destroyed cancer cells but NOT ALL cells then it would be priceless.

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 It's a good achievement for her, but does nothing about cancer as a disease.  Also, I don't believe in that conspiracy theory, since the health service would make a TON more with a treatment that worked
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« Reply #37 on: 2013-10-08 16:01:30 »
As I said, there is no interest for the company's to find a cure. Money corrupts everything. It paralyses any development.
That is the point I want to make clear.
If you invent a TV with 2000Hz you wouldn't release it with that technology at instance. You will release first a TV with 800Hz, then 1200Hz, then 1400Hz, etc.
You make money with one invention multiple times.  This happens to every technology, because the question is ever 'How much money can we make with it.'

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« Reply #38 on: 2013-10-08 16:42:57 »
I am just going to say a few things.  The FDA (at least in my country) is literally on the paroll of big pharma.  It is illegal to sell a cure for anything if it is not classified as a drug, even if it has been independently tested and proven to work.  It is illegal to share clinical data to any non professional.  This means companies can sell drugs that they know kill people and not have to alert anyone of this fact until they find out years later (by which time they have made billions).  I think you are underestimating how profitable it is for people to buy drugs for the rest of their life vs a few herbs which begin to reverse the condition in a few months or years.  Especially since natural products can't be patented.  The fact is there is a littleral ton of scientific independant study that goes almost completely unacknowlegded by the great body of medicine because it uses natural products which cannot be pantented and are therefore not profittable.  The fact is big pharma is arguable the biggest industry outside energy/oil which is equally corrupt in similar fashion raking in trillions of dollars per year.  I have actually attended a pharmaceutical convention undercover and they literally used terms such as "reap" the working class for "all they are worth".

The only way to dismiss the issue is to be entirely ignorant of it because the facts are overwhelmingly prevalent.  This is something that I deal with on a daily basis as part of my field of study.

There is also the fact that established and respected medical journals are sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, which means anything that goes against their agenda will not get published period.  I am aware at this point of over 15 specific trials which proved certain natural products were more effective than the leading drug in a given area such as inflammation or heart disease and were not published specifically because the journal they submitted to was funded by the company who owned the leading drug.  Then there is also the fact that big pharma gives billions to universities and research firms for much the same purpose.

In fact, to date, there is only one genomically capable (state of the art) laboratory in the entire world dedicated to the research of natural products (and that only happened because of an immensely generous benefactor).  The rest don't even bother to study the natural world.  It is all sythesized materials.  If you know how DNA works you might understand how utterly rediculous this is.  Your DNA is like a long computer code with specific instructions for how to handle every chemical it ever cames across over its long evolutionary history, except many chemicals found in drugs do not appear in nature at all and therefore your DNA literally has no instruction what so ever on how to handle them.  Thus the radical side effects which are common place.  Also why it is an established fact that only about 9% of any given drug is actually absorbed into the body so your literally throwing money down the toilet.

The reality is this, these people do not have what you and I would call compassion.  They have methodically trained out of any such emotion over many generations.  They see things in terms of profits, margins and self interest.  Not only is keeping the public sick good for the medical industry in these respects (since you will be buy drugs for the rest of your life and will likely be perscribed more and more as the years go on).  But having a highly medicated and sick public is good also because they become easier to mislead, suggest or otherwise control. 

The facts are the facts.  Conspiracy is just a word that means a group of people coming together to formulate a plan in secret.  If you think this DOESN'T happen in EVERY industry on the planet in a society based entirely on COMPETITION then you sir are deluding yourself heavily.  Not to sound harsh but I am really sick of people dismissing such an immensely important issue.

In any case, this isn't just a localized issue.  There is an entire body of established science which goes unacknowledge by so called professionals in every filed.  Such is the nature of a society based of self interest.  This is simply the norm of our society and the bane of our species.  It is a mathematically sound fact, after all, that cooperation breads much more potential than outright competition and yet us "brilliant" humans fail to recognize such a simple mathematical constant.

But to get back on topic, this is what I was talking about.  It was IBM not Intel my bad.

http://io9.com/new-computer-programming-language-imitates-the-human-br-1080026417
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« Reply #39 on: 2013-10-21 03:42:05 »
On the subject of cancer research--people are working at it from all kinds of angles and applying Occam's Razor should make it an easy conclusion that there isn't any large-scale conspiracy to keep "cancer" from being cured. This is a very broad term anyway. I certainly can appreciate that certain herbs may fight or disrupt or "cure" certain types of cancer but you have to recognize the chaotic nature of these phenomena. One guy or 12 people beating such-and-such "killer cancer" using such-and-such magic-bullet like Ipilimumab or radio ablation doesn't take away from the fact that these things are just as likely to do nothing beneficial at all for someone else or another group of 12 people with the "same" type of cancer. We don't know why. I am confident that there are certain cancers that we know of and some that we don't because they have yet to develop, that we will never, EVER be able to consistently deal with. It's like the drunk driver that runs a light and kills you. You didn't stand a chance. Sometimes shit happens. 

It seems clear to me that for some cancers sugars play an integral role in the development and metastasis. I think it is possible that the high cancer rate in the US and other wealthy countries is partly related to peoples' vastly increased intake of sugars over the course of the 20th century. Nowadays sugar is in almost everything we eat if we eat out. It's in all kinds of things people may not even expect sugar to be in. Hamburger? There's a ton of sugar in the bun and in the hamburger meat, not just the ketchup. People are taking in way way more of certain chemicals than they should be. Besides, maybe you could fight that cancer off better if you didn't have diabetes, too, or fully-functioning kidneys? 

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« Reply #40 on: 2013-10-21 04:21:20 »
We're going incredibly off topic, but a cursory glance at the wikipedia article suggests that 90-95% of cancers are from environmental causes (the rest being genetic), and about a third of those are due to diet and exercise. The rest of the environmental causes are divvied up between tobacco (25-30%), infection (20%), occupational hazards and radiation (2-20%), and alcohol (5-10%).

Sugar might be partially to blame in that sugar intake is related to obesity, although personally I'm skeptical that sugar alone is a direct cause.

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« Reply #41 on: 2013-10-24 14:53:54 »
AMD Radeon R9 290X

I'm thinking of getting a divorce with  nvidia... I will definitely need a good lawyer...
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« Reply #42 on: 2013-10-24 22:48:28 »
We're going incredibly off topic, but a cursory glance at the wikipedia article suggests that 90-95% of cancers are from environmental causes (the rest being genetic), and about a third of those are due to diet and exercise.

Sorry to go off topic in the off-topic forums.

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Sugar might be partially to blame in that sugar intake is related to obesity, although personally I'm skeptical that sugar alone is a direct cause.

What do you think cancers eat? What do normal cells eat?
I didn't state sugar was a direct cause. I said the disproportional cancer rate in wealthy countries could be partly related to sugar intake. And I didn't just snatch this idea out of thin air--I am echoing what some highly-respected scientists and cancer researchers are reporting.

The point was, these people aren't part of a conspiracy. They are working on a problem that is always changing, always different for each individual, and often chaotic and counter-intuitive. Having lost my father to skin cancer about 1 year ago I take it to heart when people start trying to persuade me that he was part of a global conspiracy that benefits somehow from peoples' sickness and death. Let me tell you--he didn't last long enough for them to get rich off his disease. Research grants paid for many hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of experimental treatment on him. What big pharma wants ultimately is to have cancer cures in pill form and sell them to insurance companies at huge prices. They have stumbled on a few of these drugs but for the most part, it's a money pit. If there is any significant logistical road block to cancer research it's that there isn't any money in it 99.9999% of the time.   

AMD Radeon R9 290X

I'm thinking of taking a divorce with  nvidia... I will definitely need a good lawyer...

As for the 290x:
Wow... very exciting. New world records on LN2. Pretty cool to see a much cheaper card up top. But it really has been a long time and the 780ti is likely to edge it out by a little. Looking forward to 20nm boards but that's kinda getting to the bare minimum as far as transistor size... They are talking about having problems with electrons just randomly being in essentially 2 places at once when they get much smaller. 

I really like the look of the Sapphire 280x Vapor-x with its backplate. I imagine they will back it up with a very similar model of 290x. If it's less than 11" I'm going to pull the trigger on one. I figure the ROG board that comes out will be too long, but if not, that'd be my top choice. I don't like using big cases and I don't have room for a SLI setup. I really like my 7950 but I'm going to use it for my wife's FF14 machine instead. I'm really interested in going water but I want to find "the perfect case" first.

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« Reply #43 on: 2013-10-25 11:46:14 »
The matter with nvidia is with their drivers... so many complaints by so many users... I have many issues with the drivers as well... so what's worth it buying a great architecture when you are not able to take full advantage of it's capabilities because of their drivers...

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« Reply #44 on: 2013-10-26 04:16:04 »
I can't say anything about Nvidia's drivers for the last couple years but I think the AMD approach is at least on paper more logical. That is, being able to launch driver versions across multiple architecture platforms because of development design that is specifically geared towards inclusive compatibility for the future. 290x pricing is great i guess compared to TITAN, but AMD consumers need Nvidia to continue giving AMD real competition and if AMD simply squeezes Nvidia out of the game with hit-or-miss products that are also so cheap as to be disposable (major exaggeration but still... 180dollar 7950s is playing rough) and the Green guys are only left with a strategy based on hardware locked products like Gsync then I think we will all lose.

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« Reply #45 on: 2013-11-22 23:19:44 »
Fair move from nvidia...

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Are they afraid of R290x release on holidays? ;)

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« Reply #46 on: 2013-11-24 23:34:17 »
I'm scheduling an upgrade for holidays. My current rig is:
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Component Details Subscore Base score
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2310 CPU @ 2.90GHz 7,4 5,9
Determined by lowest subscore

Memory (RAM) 8,00 GB 7,6
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti 7,4
Gaming graphics 4095 MB Total available graphics memory 7,4
Primary hard disk 117GB Free (464GB Total) 5,9
Windows 7 Home Premium

System
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Manufacturer Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Model P67A-D3-B3
Total amount of system memory 8,00 GB RAM
System type 64-bit operating system
Number of processor cores 4

Storage
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Total size of hard disk(s) 5467 GB
Disk partition (C:) 117 GB Free (464 GB Total)
Media drive (D:) CD/DVD
Disk partition (E:) 57 GB Free (932 GB Total)
Disk partition (F:) 834 GB Free (932 GB Total)
Disk partition (G:) 21 GB Free (1397 GB Total)
Disk partition (I:) 28 GB Free (812 GB Total)
Disk partition (J:) 35 GB Free (932 GB Total)
Media drive (K:) CD/DVD

Graphics
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Display adapter type NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti
Total available graphics memory 4095 MB
Dedicated graphics memory 1024 MB
Dedicated system memory 0 MB
Shared system memory 3071 MB
Display adapter driver version 9.18.13.3165
Primary monitor resolution 1280x720
DirectX version DirectX 10

Network
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Network Adapter Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller

Notes
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The gaming graphics score is based on the primary graphics adapter. If this system has linked or multiple graphics adapters, some software applications may see additional performance benefits.

What do you thing of those? Any suggestions highly appreciated:

Motherboard:

http://www.plaisio.gr/ypologistes-anavathmisi/anavathmisi-ypologisti/motherboard-mitrikes/MSI-Z87-G45-GAMING-1150-Z87-DDR3.htm

Processor:

http://www.plaisio.gr/ypologistes-anavathmisi/anavathmisi-ypologisti/cpu-epeksergastes/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-1150-3-4GHz-6MB-BX80646I54670K.htm

Hard Drive

http://www.plaisio.gr/ypologistes-anavathmisi/anavathmisi-ypologisti/hdd-ssd-skliroi-diskoi/Western-Digital-Caviar-Black-WD1002FAEX-1TB-HDD-64MB-Cache-7200RPM-Sata-III.htm

Graphics Card:

6xx Link:

http://www.plaisio.gr/ypologistes-anavathmisi/anavathmisi-ypologisti/vga-kartes-grafikwn/MSI-N660-Gaming-2GD5-OC-2GB.htm

7xx Link

http://www.plaisio.gr/ypologistes-anavathmisi/anavathmisi-ypologisti/vga-kartes-grafikwn/MSI-GTX-760-TF-2GD5-OC-2GB.htm

Power Supply:

http://www.plaisio.gr/ypologistes-anavathmisi/anavathmisi-ypologisti/psu-trofodotiko/Corsair-PSU-CXM-750W-80-Bronze-CP-9020061-EU.htm

Case:

Thermaltake or Corsair .

Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #47 on: 2013-11-25 23:18:32 »
^ That rig is BEAST  :o

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« Reply #48 on: 2013-11-26 02:12:38 »
For the time being yes. But there are always slight differences and modifications between each release and brand. That's why I need someone expert's opinion as well... My last upgrade was when gtx550Ti was out and I had bought an ready pc build that included it.
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« Reply #49 on: 2013-12-14 13:27:28 »


Thank you AMD and BTC/LTC for making Nvidia {Lower the Price}