Author Topic: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods and Modding Framework-The Reunion [R06f]  (Read 1905337 times)

Orichalcon

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Sorry for bringing up the grammar stuff again when you are at a new release, but better now before I forget.

There is a lot of unnecessary capitalization regarding chocobos, I feel like.  'Good Chocobo', 'Great Chocobo', and 'Wonderful Chocobo' for sure should all lose the capital letters.

'River Chocobo' and 'Mountain Chocobo' are debatable, since you could say that is the official name of those types of chocobos, but that's a stretch.  A river chocobo is just a chocobo that can cross rivers, its not a new species of chocobo bearing that name.

We don't say 'White Tiger', its just white tiger.  We don't say "Albino Alligator", just albino alligator.

I would actually make the same argument for all the references of 'Huge Materia' in the game, is that the official name of it? Or does everyone call it that because it is materia that is huge?

In the latter case, it should be 'huge materia'.
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It's not unnecessary.  It's grammatically correct as this is a game and those are titles.  But again - you said it yourself, stop raising grammar issues.

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Hello, thank you for your hard work! I have a question about an audio difference between the PSX version. In the opening FMV it sounds like there is a difference in audio when the melody comes in as Aerith stands up. I am using this video for comparison against my copy on steam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD_GqlNtNjo&t=63s. At 0:55 you can hear the first 3 notes of the melody. The third has a cool pitch effect which doesn't seem to be present on PC, the PC version is also duplicating the notes/creating a kind of stutter sound. I see in one entry in the database you still have to implement a pitch changer which might explain why that third note has the effect missing. Just wondered if this was something you were aware of/any way to fix?

Link to logs:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Y2gtkXzGyxtV7zGv2RNypKxttCWHaF_B

This isn't a reunion issue. The default game's FMV uses substandard audio.  Try to verify if the issue is present only in The Reunion before posting here.
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But again - you said it yourself, stop raising grammar issues.

i never said that

'Good Chocobo', 'Great Chocobo', and 'Wonderful Chocobo' are not titles and are incorrect any way you slice it (if it were 'Choco the Great' it would be a different story), the others are debatable (in which your opinion is wrong  :P)

but have it your way - no more beacause issues will be raised here

Edit: most points taken, I'll send you a DM when I'm done with the game with any beacause comments I want to make instead of posting things here one at a time

its not my intent to nag or bug, don't even expect any action at all, just figured you were using this thread as a catalogue rather than actually addressing each post in real time... stop taking things so personal

the reason i brought this up in the first place is because when you talk to chole and get the notes it actually gets a bit ridiculous IMO, "Breed the Good Chocobo with Great Chocobo with the Carob Nut and you get Mountain Chocobo and River Chocobo, breed those two and you get a Mountain and River Chocobo in the Backyard with the Shovel and the Huge Materia"
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They are titles in a gaming sense.  Games don't conform the the same rules that books do. Not to mention I can make things titles if I want to do.  I can make them proper nouns.  Huge Materia is definitely a title in Japanese - it's deliberately in English to differentiate. I brought this up 3 years ago with Covarr and we debated it at length.  I didn't choose to do it without thinking about it.  Have you seen how other games do things like this?  It's extremely common.  A "river chocobo" and "ocean chocobo" don't even look right if not capitalized, as they are clearly intended to be specific names.  It's not "a chocobo that crosses a river" It's a title.

The reason I ask you not to bring up grammar issues is this simple:

1.  Ones like above have been debated and are final.
2. There are thousands of smaller mistakes that are not getting fixed until R07.
3. Grammar issues exist in every professionally released work. They are unavoidable.  Bugging me endlessly on this thread about them or other preferences just pisses me off and takes my time away from addressing larger issues. 

I've asked kindly repeatedly that this not be done.  I'm going to start completely ignoring posts that do so once I've updated the main post.

In actual professional translations, you do not have a direct dial to the localizer to raise every comma with them.  It should be no different here.
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DLPB, you can ignore my following post.

'Good Chocobo', 'Great Chocobo', and 'Wonderful Chocobo' are not titles and are incorrect any way you slice it (if it were 'Choco the Great' it would be a different story), the others are debatable (in which your opinion is wrong  :P)

the reason i brought this up in the first place is because when you talk to chole and get the notes it actually gets a bit ridiculous IMO, "Breed the Good Chocobo with Great Chocobo with the Carob Nut and you get Mountain Chocobo and River Chocobo, breed those two and you get a Mountain and River Chocobo in the Backyard with the Shovel and the Huge Materia"
I could not disagree with this more. Maybe title isn't the correct word. Think of them as classifications or ratings. It's not just a good chocobo, it is a chocobo that is rated as 'Good'. Therefore, this chocobo is classed as 'Good Chocobo'. Or this chocobo is rated to be able to cross rivers, therefore it is given the 'River Chocobo' classification.

In that sense, the sentence that you posted reads perfectly fine. "Breed the Good Chocobo with the Great Chocobo..." means that you need to breed a chocobo with a Good rating with a chocobo scored as Great. It's not some squishy feeling of 'well I think this looks like a pretty good chocobo' that would confuse a new player, it's a rank the chocobo must be at.

I could see an argument to not capitalize the word chocobo (I wouldn't agree with it, but I would understand it). But I cannot see the logic in not capitalizing the rating of the chocobo.
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There isn't even a debate to be had.  It's grammatically correct, especially for a game. 
« Last Edit: 2020-04-06 06:35:25 by DLPB »

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Before the final battle with Sephiroth, when you need to create 3 battle group, the PHS has the submenu box (in this case it's not disturbing like the save submenu box)
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got a pic to make sure I see same thing

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got a pic to make sure I see same thing
It's the "reform" box... maybe it can be left as an aid in what's going on


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I personally think that the reform box is, if not intended, at least looks right in comparison to save box after end of disk.

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I personally think that the reform box is, if not intended, at least looks right in comparison to save box after end of disk.
I agree

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it's normal.  it's there without reunion.  why is that a bug?

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it's normal.  it's there without reunion.  why is that a bug?
Only because i was thinking that reunion removed every submenu boxes in the corner.
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load and save are still there.  File definitely is.  it's not part of the drop down menu.  :)

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load and save are still there.  File definitely is.  it's not part of the drop down menu.  :)
oh, right.. forgot load/save, thanks

This is a ff7 bug (not reunion i know it's a little off topic) but i'm interested if you know the cause: the gigantic cloud upside down in mt corel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLJbI4NiHNw
Maybe it has been already discussed here but i can't find the post

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discuss it on bug thread.  no known cause.    it's also in the database already.

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Sorry for bringing up the Nibel issue again, but will any Hotfix our r06e will be released anytime soon to fix the crash issue?

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There isn't even a debate to be had.  It's grammatically correct, especially for a game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_river_otter

https://animals.mom.me/habitat-river-rat-3799.html

https://www.nwf.org/Educational-Resources/Wildlife-Guide/Mammals/Mountain-Lion

how come in all instances: river otter, river rat, and mountain lion are all not capitalized? (except when mountain lion is literally the title of the page)
and this isn't even considering the Goods, Greats, and Wonderfuls which are even MORE wrong

but thats actually not why i came to post

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NPUONzpLtlLoaQurQVT9EIp5IhzFeUn2/view?usp=sharing

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Because they're not in a game where you acquire those things - and it wouldn't be grammatically wrong if they were capitalized.  They're also not rare. Poems often place commas in totally inappropriate places too - grammar laws are not something set in stone.  They just have to be consistent in the work - as mine are.  The issue you're having here is that you believe what I've done is grammatically wrong and I'm telling you factually it isn't. I'll say no more on it. 

By your logic, all items should be lower case also.  "carob nut" etc.  But again - this is an item.  This is a game.  This is an artistic choice.
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but thats actually not why i came to post

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NPUONzpLtlLoaQurQVT9EIp5IhzFeUn2/view?usp=sharing

I believe it has to be UI problem, not Reunions. At least in my case, without altering the default UI, cursor never behaved like that.

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I'm thinking it is Reunion's fault.  Will investigate tomorrow.

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I believe it has to be UI problem, not Reunions. At least in my case, without altering the default UI, cursor never behaved like that.

those bars arent really a UI mod, just thin bars (by Covarr?) for the dialog boxes

i also used reshade to add a touch of filmgrain and some reshading (obviously) to satsuki's background mod, looks sick, no?
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Number 1

1. 60fps mode 1, after Aerith launchs Bio magic, no damage was shown (Boss after meeting Priscilla)


Are you sure it's only battle mode 60fps?  Bio is now changed to be be a property and status separately - as it was intended.  If you have protection v attribute but not status - that's why.  It's a bug fix.  The original game had it wrong.  Then again, damage should still show 0.  I'll check tomorrow.
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Your bug report is not accurate enough, Kuraudo. 

I dunno who is using Bio against whom

I dunno if you mean zero damage or no damage display.

I dunno if this happens once or more than once

I dunno if this is definitely unique to 60fps.

You've also got Star Pendant equipped.  See above as to whether this is a bug or not and provide clearer bug report.

Damage displays fine v the boss for me.
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