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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4500 on: 2019-04-06 10:58:20 »
A formation is a shape (of your units/men as a group).  It's a form - hence the name.  We're arguing semantics here at this point.  The bottom line is that there is no better word that will fit that box other than Form - unless you want to cheat and use "row" - but I think that's less clear - and Position likely has the same problem as Formation.  Too long.

So we're stuck with Form - which is a word that means exactly what it should. 

It's bizarre that we're still even debating this one word in a menu - esp when you can just change it yourselves.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4501 on: 2019-04-06 11:21:02 »
A formation is the shape of a group - a way to position individual entities within it. A form is the shape of an single entity - it doesn't mean the same as formation unless you squint enough to blur everyone together. I'm only debating this because I don't think the arguments you're putting forward are valid; leaving them uncontested feels like leaving a dangling thread. The decision itself doesn't bother me.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4502 on: 2019-04-06 11:31:16 »
Again, a formation is a shape.

If you want to be ultra specific then even the Japanese doesn't work - because one person can't be in a formation.  A formation is literally the shape of your army / infantry.  Its arrangement.  The option itself refers to your group as a whole - not one person. 

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a group of people or things in a particular arrangement or pattern.
"they sat in orderly ranks in a circular formation"
synonyms:   configuration, arrangement, pattern, array, alignment, positioning, disposition, order, ordering, organization, design, marshalling, grouping, layout, format
"the aircraft were flying in tight formation"

It doesn't apply to one person.

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formation
an arrangement of people or things acting as a unit

There is nothing whatsoever wrong with the word Form - and I think most people know it means formation or position of the members in battle. 

Regardless, the alternatives to Form are worse.   

I'm moving on.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4503 on: 2019-04-07 17:04:12 »
Party (FFIX docet) or Array. However, boring topic. I agree with DLPB. :)

Btw quick questions for DLPB:

▝ After reading first page regarding Model Overhaul (which is already a good improvement staying loyal to FFVII) was wondering if is there anything planned in future for Reunion to give a graphic boost such as Remako HD backgrounds?

▝ Are there any chances to see changed some of FFVII oddities (such as an empty box) or the politic is to keep it as per original? Just curiosity.

▝ Another example of oddities, what do you think about Test 0 fight: this random battle appears in the early Japanese version of the game, as well as a hidden red figure seems to be present in the layers of Corel Prison with again an empty box.


Don't get me wrong, I'm mentioning these things just due to the passion for the game that most of us share.
Just for the sake of it and of seeing an unfinished work/side quest comes to reality where possible without forcing in something weird/not loyal.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4504 on: 2019-04-09 23:38:47 »
yo!

Just want to say I am very much looking forward to R06. I recently bought a DisplayPort-HDMI cable to hook my computer to my television. I am ready to play FFVII again.

It'd be really, really sweet if R06 were to come out for my birthday around, say, July. :)

Thanks for the hard work across all these years. Cheers.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4505 on: 2019-04-10 00:17:55 »
Mine is july 18.   So perhaps it can be done.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4506 on: 2019-04-12 02:00:25 »
Hello. This is pretty good, but I have a few comments about the translation:

This is a blue name, but "Groß Panzer" should be either "Großpanzer" (with it as a compound word) or "Großer Panzer" (if you guys really want it to be two words) to fit with German grammatical rules.

And this is a white name, but the enemy Marine (or, in Japanese, literally "Sea Soldier Squad Member") should probably be "Mariner". Marine is an adjective, mariner is a noun.

Also, a minor bug I saw in-game that I didn't see on the bug list on the spreadsheet; if you check "Use incorrect character names", the enemy Marine's name turns into "Marlenee" (due to "Marin" being changed to "Marlene").

Lastly, I think that "Select" on the character naming screen should be changed to something more clear, like "Finish", "Done", or "Confirm". This isn't really an error, but something that confused me the first time I saw it.

I hope I wasn't too much of a bother. I'm sorry if I wasted your time.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4507 on: 2019-04-12 13:11:05 »
Marine is an adjective, mariner is a noun.
Try telling that to a member of the United States Marine Corps.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4508 on: 2019-04-12 13:49:50 »
Marine is fine.

lol to the Marlene hahaha  - I'll correct.  Though this will have been picked up in the final play through for R07.

Assuming German grammatical rules are correct, I will amend.

I'll also look at Select tonight when home from work.

Your post has not been a waste of time.



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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4509 on: 2019-04-12 22:34:05 »
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4510 on: 2019-04-13 07:22:18 »
Assuming German grammatical rules are correct, I will amend.

Both versions mentioned are grammatically correct, but I would not use "Großpanzer". That's not something you'd see in real world use. "Großer Panzer" is more natural.

However, there is also a slight nuance in meaning, "Großer Panzer" is literally just "(a) big tank", whereas "Großpanzer" would imply it's a specific type of big tank.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4511 on: 2019-04-13 10:52:12 »
I would go with Großpanzer even in German. As you said Großer Panzer ist very unspecific and could mean any big tank.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4512 on: 2019-04-14 17:11:00 »
DPLB, just checked something and I have a question, was the bug with the slap fight minigame in Junon  un the vanilla game resolved in your mod?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4513 on: 2019-04-15 00:49:57 »
Not sure what the bug is - though I do remember altering text there and script.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4514 on: 2019-04-15 01:01:15 »
From https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Junon#Tifa_and_Scarlet_slap_fight

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Normally, whether the player wins or loses, Scarlet will say "Take her away" afterwards. An error in the programming prevents the player from seeing the Tifa-win-version of Scarlet's line, as the requirement for Scarlet's unused line is that she be slapped six times and this is impossible because the minigame ends at five slaps.

If Tifa wins the fight Scarlet was meant to say "God! I can't stand it!".

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4515 on: 2019-04-15 01:27:23 »
I believe this was fixed, yes :)

if not, it will be now.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4516 on: 2019-04-15 13:20:36 »
Nice

Now I need to find the time to play the game at one point  ;D

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4517 on: 2019-04-16 17:30:25 »
Hey may be a stupid question, am suffering side effects from various meds lol so may come across a bit dense haha but can I install this to my already 7th heaven modded ff7 if I disable and remove the .iro currently in my load order? 

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4518 on: 2019-04-18 01:10:12 »
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my message.

Here is another name, which, while white, I feel should be corrected as it is misspelled:

Lucrecia should be Lucretia. The "Rukuretsia" (ルクレツィア) katakana would come from the Ecclesiastical Latin pronunciation, where "tia" like that is pronounced "tsia" (and also the Italian pronunciation, where it got respelled with a z instead of a t). Indeed, while the Japanese Wikipedia page has Rukuretia (ルクレティア) as the primary name, it has the Rukuretsia (ルクレツィア) version as an alternate name from Italian.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4519 on: 2019-04-18 11:37:12 »
Can confirm. Both latin Lucretia and italian Lucrezia have the same pronunciation and become Rukuretsia in katakana.
Lucrezia is also how it's pronounced in english Dirge of Cerberus by the way (despite still being Lucrecia in written form).

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4520 on: 2019-04-18 12:02:12 »
Usually I would always go with the Latin writing, because mega, super, giga, Ultima, etc are Latin. But to give it a closer connection to Vincent I would go with the Italian writing.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4521 on: 2019-04-18 14:55:29 »
I'll let Luksy and Charlie Beer decide that one.  It may not be plain sailing, so I'd like to see

a. If Lucrecia appears in the official Establishment document
b. If there are Japanese sources showing that exact kana spelling for Lucretia

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AB%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AC%E3%83%84%E3%82%A3%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BB%E3%83%9C%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A2

There's Lucrezia as a kana spelling.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4522 on: 2019-04-18 14:58:22 »
However, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucrezia

Can be spelled Lucrecia.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4523 on: 2019-04-18 15:16:34 »
However, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucrezia

Can be spelled Lucrecia.
If you look at the list you can see the ones spelled with a c come from other Romance languages, not Italian, and thus they've got different pronunciations for it (th in Iberian Spanish, s in Portuguese and Latin American Spanish, both of which would be シ and not ツィ)
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods - The Reunion (R05c)
« Reply #4524 on: 2019-04-18 18:25:26 »
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AB%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AC%E3%83%84%E3%82%A3%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BB%E3%83%9C%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A2

There's Lucrezia as a kana spelling.

Wanted to point out that the change from Lucretia to Lucrezia is just a sign of time passing. With the fall of the Roman Empire, Latin evolved into "Volgare", and the "Lucretia"s became "Lucrezia"s.

Lucrecia is the spanish equivalent for that name, but in japanese it's usually rendered as ルクレシア, Rukureshia.
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