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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #50 on: 2019-05-06 19:17:52 »
Watch Babylon 5 instead.  Netflix reviewer said it best... "Season 1 showed the lack of budget they had, but so much that happens later in the series depends on things inconspicuously laid out previously."

Babylon 5 is my favourite TV show or work of fiction on screen full stop ;) I've watched it beginning to end around 10 times. A masterpiece. Season 1 is also a very decent season that for some reason gets criticism. It sets up the rest of the story perfectly. Parts of Season 5 were on the poorer side, but again it was a very good season with an excellent final episode.

The only episode I disliked was the last episode of Season 4 (too unrealistic) and a few of the earlier monster of the week episodes.  Also... the Soul Hunters never should have happened imho. 

If I had a billion dollars, I'd invest in updating the CGI.
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« Reply #51 on: 2019-05-06 20:44:28 »
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Season 1 is also a very decent season that for some reason gets criticism.
Mostly because it does spend so much time setting up back story and future events, that it doesn't seem to actually "go" anywhere.

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Parts of Season 5 were on the poorer side, but again it was a very good season with an excellent final episode.
Much of what happens in the latter half of season 4 was pulled forward from season 5 because the team didn't know whether not they'd get renewed.  When TNT did pick up the fifth season, they suddenly needed filler material.  The series finale was actually shot during season 4 (production number 422) because of that.  After being renewed for the fifth, what we saw as the season 4 finale (production number 423), was filler (even here JMS managed to incorporate the foreshadowing of humanity's future becoming non-corporeal, which we saw again in "The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari" as Sheridan was changing "uniforms" in the Zocalo).

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« Reply #52 on: 2019-05-06 20:52:39 »
Aye - I'm aware of that :)  It does suck but thank god we didn't end on Season 4's finale.

All in all - with the budget and constraints - he did a superb job.

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« Reply #53 on: 2019-05-06 22:55:33 »
Yeah, the consensus everywhere is "Don't watch Dexter", so I definitely won't haha!

Is it worth watching season 1 or does it end on a cliffhanger?  I'm not going to invest time for nothing.
Honestly, the first four seasons of Dexter are absolutely worth watching. The show is pretty good about isolating plot arcs to seasons, especially early on, so you can easily watch the first three without cliffhangers. Season 4 is the best season the show ever got, and it ends on a... sort of cliffhanger? Like, it definitely leaves some questions unanswered, but it still makes for a good stopping point. I would definitely recommend watching Dexter and continuing through the end of season 4.

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« Reply #54 on: 2019-05-07 06:07:50 »
Pretty much agree with what everyone else has been saying, the writing took a nose dive since they ran out of books to follow. D.B Weiss and David Benioff are completely incompetent and the only reason they are the shot callers is because of their hollywood connections, completely incompetent. Even in the seasons which were fantastic and mostly followed the books they added needless modern day political commentary and extra sex and altered scenes, so it came as no surprise to me that as they gained increased freedom with the script the show would suffer even more. That being said it's still interesting and I'll finish watching it just to see how they wrap things up or if they can wrap things up completely. I'm dissapointed with Martin's nihilist version of Tolkien's universe in some respects, it's evident in the fact that the giants, the children of the forest, the dragons, everything magical is dying from westeros. So nothing this season has really surprised me, we'll see though!

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« Reply #55 on: 2019-05-07 20:00:45 »
Precisely.  The thing is it takes IQ to see it long before it happens.  I've worried about this since Season 1 because, as you say, they were adding needless crap, extra sex etc, and altering coherent plot even then.  But they had rails to stick by.  Now, with no material, the train is off the tracks entirely.

But even I didn't see it crashing and burning this bad.  I honestly think you could give Season 7 and 8 to a random highschool fan and come up with something better. It's terrible. It's fast becoming the biggest fall from grace in TV history. I can't think of another show this acclaimed, with the start it had, ending so poorly.

It would be like Breaking Bad having a 5th season where
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Walt suddenly turns nice, hands himself in, and there isn't a single shot fired.  Or Gus Fring is actually still alive after having half his face blown away - comes back as the final baddie
  Even that would be preferable over this pigswill. 
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #56 on: 2019-05-08 00:22:41 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxdLult6YKU

That's how a real final season is done.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #58 on: 2019-05-08 18:29:33 »
It took until the end of season 5 for me to realize they actually started to run out of material. I didn't know the source material wasn't finished. But when I was told it made perfect sense. Jamie's trip to Dorne felt like filler written by fanboys.

Season 7 ep 6 is still the worst one imo. That episode made anti-sense.

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« Reply #59 on: 2019-05-08 21:54:04 »
Then, when they couldn't work out what to do with the arc, they had those 3 silly sand characters and their mother butcher the prince and king...  just out of nowhere.

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« Reply #60 on: 2019-05-08 22:20:10 »
Honestly, the first four seasons of Dexter are absolutely worth watching. The show is pretty good about isolating plot arcs to seasons, especially early on, so you can easily watch the first three without cliffhangers. Season 4 is the best season the show ever got, and it ends on a... sort of cliffhanger? Like, it definitely leaves some questions unanswered, but it still makes for a good stopping point. I would definitely recommend watching Dexter and continuing through the end of season 4.

Yup, pretty much how I feel about it. Dexter is far from my fav show, but to anyone planning on watching Dexter: For the love of God, stop after season 4, cliffhangers be damned. Season 3 was kinda lame too, but somewhat worth watching 'cause of season 4. In the case of GoT you can't say that. Knowing how it all goes downhill afterwards, especially after season 6, I can't see myself watching GoT ever again. It's too disappointing. Perhaps The biggest disappointment in fiction history. Up there with Mass Effect 3. And the Star Wars prequels.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #61 on: 2019-05-08 23:01:14 »
More like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znNciln7qwY

Game of Thrones will never touch that.  And even BB doesn't.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #62 on: 2019-05-13 15:41:18 »
So much for "Clegane Bowl"  - Another joke.

Review to come.


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« Reply #63 on: 2019-05-13 19:28:49 »
I really enjoyed episode 5

Game of Thrones will never touch that.  And even BB doesn't.
This has to be trolling
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #64 on: 2019-05-13 20:26:02 »
No, it isn't. The very end of B5 is more heart felt and well written than any other show I've seen - including BB.

Why would I be trolling?  What purpose would that serve here?  Believe it or not, people do actually have different views and don't think BB was absolutely perfect.  It wasn't.  Nor is B5.

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« Reply #65 on: 2019-05-13 21:36:21 »
Only seen season 1 of B5, and keep hearing good stuff about it. I know the cg is outdated but still wanna check it out.

Ep 5 was terrible. Sure it looked good; the best description I've heard so far is "disaster porn".

Not gonna spoil anything, but to anyone who is up to date: Think about Jaime's character arc in the latest 2 seasons (or any other character really). It's so #ยค@% dumb. You can pretty much sum it up in 1 sentence.

Can't wait for this to end. Season 7 was bad. Season 8 has been a disaster.

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« Reply #66 on: 2019-05-13 22:54:19 »
Only seen season 1 of B5, and keep hearing good stuff about it. I know the cg is outdated but still wanna check it out.
CG was never the driving force behind B5.  They did set some records at the time for stuff like number of objects concurrently on-screen, but that was never their goal.  If/as you watch, keep in mind that the most seemingly innocuous of events/statements can have empire-changing ramifications two, three, or even four seasons later.  Example:
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Londo speaking to Vir:  You moon-faced assassin of joy.


BB =?

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #67 on: 2019-05-13 23:27:27 »
Breaking Bad.

Also:

"And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you"
This was meant to be Jaime or Tyrion - but D&D had other ideas.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #68 on: 2019-05-14 05:45:45 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk60P_dzgk8

"Game of Thrones Writers Keep Dropping The Ball"

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« Reply #69 on: 2019-05-14 21:58:32 »
I feel sorry for you guys who can't enjoy it. Must suck!

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« Reply #70 on: 2019-05-15 00:08:18 »
I feel sorry for you guys who can't enjoy it. Must suck!

Not as much as realizing that the majority can because of their chronic lack of an IQ.  That depresses me far more.

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« Reply #71 on: 2019-05-15 01:05:23 »
I feel sorry for you guys who can't enjoy it. Must suck!

Not gonna lie, it sucks to be this disappointed. I can still enjoy "bad" movies, like, lets say, any MC movie, if I know what I'm in for. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the kabooms. The reason this doesn't work for GoT is how it started. If GoT had the same crappy writing since season 1 I could probably still enjoy it. IF I started watching it in the 1st place that is, which I probably wouldn't 'cause of the crappy writing.

I agree with DLPB. It's honestly depressing that entertainment like movies and TV shows can get away with bad writing like this. Show a dragoon destroy a city and your safe ("OMG so shocking!!"), logic and character motivation be damned.

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« Reply #72 on: 2019-05-15 02:17:11 »
I have a feeling a lot of people didn't get Game of Thrones at all... beacause all along they had what's left of their brain turned off.  So it's no loss to them.  A character doing cool things with a proper build up and a character doing cool things with no build up is the same to these sorry halfwits.

A bit like FF7 actually.  When I criticized the spin offs and got a load of nonsense back.  Turned out the reasons I like it most (themes, storytelling, and so on) are not in line with a lot of fans (battles, graphics, "coolness" urgh). So, to them, the spin offs are just as good. 
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #73 on: 2019-05-15 03:23:42 »
My review for imdb:

It's the best episode this season, but that's only 7/10 by Game of Thrones S1-4 standards.

D&D = Dumb and Dumber (the writers).

Let's look at the good -

1. The Tyrion-Jaime scene was top notch and exactly the way it needed to be. Sadly, Dumb and Dumber wrecked all the other heartfelt moments this and last season. I guess we gotta be thankful they've now managed to write ONE great scene.

2. The battle for King's Landing was superb and visually what we all expected. The 'no mercy' strategy was gripping throughout.

3. There were less "what the heck" moments this episode.

Now, the bad:

1. Once again, certain characters survive certain death for no other reason than D&D are stupid. Jaime, Euron, Arya, Greyworm, etc all have plot armour yet again when it suits. What is it that Dumb and Dumber don't understand about human anatomy? Arya was stabbed in the stomach multiple times in season 6 in one of the lowest and most stupid moments in GoT, and now we have the same for Euron and Jaime. Jaime actually then travels on forever afterwards as if it were just a minor flesh wound he'd received. It's so, so disappointing to see such poor writing in this show. D&D are HACKS. Arya has buildings caving in on top of her as she runs around King's Landing with dragon fire raining down and unsullied slaughtering everyone in sight. She'd be dead multiple times.

2. The Mountain is undead. When did this happen??? We've not been told he's immortal until now. It was laughable. The whole thing looked like a cheap zombie B movie.

3. Dany's descent into madness wasn't a descent (like it will be in the books, should it occur); instead, it's been the most unrealistic character change in TV history. In just a few episodes, she's gone from wanting to take King's landing with minimal losses to actively hunting down innocent people and frying them alive - when she's clearly won the war already. Even when she was contemplating burning King's Landing to a crisp in previous episodes, she was never capable of hunting down women and children in the streets like a bad Hollywood villain. They've ruined her character by rushing and forcing the story - Magic wand, lazy writing.

4. Varys' death was silly. He deserved better than to be found out for some futile last minute plot. Burning him alive with Drogon... was that even necessary? Hasn't Dany heard of a sword?

5. Dumb and Dumber seem to think Cersei is a tragic character who deserves our sympathy. No. She's a horrible monster who has caused untold suffering and death - all for her own petty wants and schemes. It's insulting they gave her such an easy death, and one that actually tries to be nice to her! It was also totally unsatisfying to see her killed by a bunch of rocks in a cliche 'hold me close as we die together' scene.

Look, Dumb and Dumber: we all know that you love the actress who plays Cersei, but she's an ACTRESS. You're writing a CHARACTER for a fictional show, you blithering idiots.

6. Dany threatening Tyrion with death is also out of character, as is Jaime still giving a damn about Cersei.

7. Tyrion arranging for Cersei to escape is LAUGHABLE. There is no way on earth he'd do that. He'd arrange for Jaime to escape (maybe - and even then how would Jaime get away unseen??) - NOT his crazy, demented sister. It's almost as if Dumb and Dumber have forgotten everything Cersei has done to Tyrion and to everyone else.

8. Euron's death is so bad it's hilarious. "I'm the one who killed Jaime Lannister..." LOL WHO THE HELL CARES? And why did he want to in the first place? The scene is also extremely badly acted and will likely be ridiculed in 1000 memes. Oh, and did I mention that he survived a direct hit from Drogon's fire and then swam ashore to meet Jaime by complete coincidence on the beach?

In conclusion: This episode has a few moments where you can remember how good Game of Thrones used to be - and lots of moments where you are reminded that those two fools - Dumb and Dumber - are now completely in charge.

Unfortunately, this episode also can't erase the destruction those two idiots have wrought on this show. Watching Drogon roast and toast reminded me of what they've have done to GRRM's epic fantasy. The best this season isn't saying a lot.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 7. Not Happy. SPOILERS!
« Reply #74 on: 2019-05-15 19:21:29 »
Not as much as realizing that the majority can because of their chronic lack of an IQ.  That depresses me far more.

The majority can enjoy it because there are far more important things taking place in their lives than a TV show. It's entertainment, it's not an important matter.. I see you bring up lack of IQ so often in your posts... You really believe yours is above average? "my opinion" "my review" "I would have done this" "I would have done that" no one gives a strawberries. Which TV show have you written? Which of your scripts have been given life? If your opinion carried any weight, you wouldn't have the need to share it on this forum while claiming everyone who disagrees with you only does so because they're not as intelligent. You're an extremely basic human being with an unjustified ego.