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Re: Forum Flaming....
« Reply #25 on: 2008-06-05 18:52:29 »

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« Reply #26 on: 2008-06-05 19:00:45 »
Awesome, I think that's the best joke I've ever heard in my 21 years.

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« Reply #27 on: 2008-06-05 19:33:17 »
how do you know what I look like?  :?

After you have managed that, feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.

feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.

provide the proof


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« Reply #28 on: 2008-06-06 02:21:07 »
how do you know what I look like?  :?

After you have managed that, feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.

feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.

provide the proof


If I had to guess I would say your a blonde?

So Jari, ifyou know about all this copyright stuff, would I actually get in any trouble if i happened to find my old battle.lgp with all my modded content on it and upload it?

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« Reply #29 on: 2008-06-06 04:20:28 »
Since you worded it that way, the answer is no, nobody would care. If you were asking whether it was legal, the answer would still be no. And if you posted yet another question, say like; might someone else get in trouble for having a link to such thing posted on forum owned by them, the answer would be yes, in theory at least. Last two are reasons why link to such thing wouldn't be tolerated here.

I'll be posting a looooong log excerpt later today, since the little asshat seems unable to either apologize, or provide proof of what he said. Not entirely surprising on either of the points, and especially the latter, since he is wrong. :-D

But hey, it's not like I didn't offer him the chance, or anything. :lol:

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« Reply #30 on: 2008-06-06 14:40:00 »
The guy hould just check Wikipedia if he can't find proof to post, save alot of time and effort, for in my experience, if it's not on Wikipedia, it's nowhere, at least not easily found. :-P

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« Reply #31 on: 2008-06-06 17:31:29 »
I discussed this with him in the irc chat and I think it was resolved there too, but if he wants to continue he'll be doing it without me.

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« Reply #32 on: 2008-06-06 17:39:33 »

So Jari, ifyou know about all this copyright stuff, would I actually get in any trouble if i happened to find my old battle.lgp with all my modded content on it and upload it?
Well - if you burn the file to CD - mail it to yourself using Recorded delivery then you magically own the copyright, you should then be free to upload it ;)

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« Reply #33 on: 2008-06-06 17:49:47 »
I discussed this with him in the irc chat and I think it was resolved there too, but if he wants to continue he'll be doing it without me.

I'll be posting a looooong log excerpt later today, since the little asshat seems unable to either apologize, or provide proof of what he said. Not entirely surprising on either of the points, and especially the latter, since he is wrong. :-D

But hey, it's not like I didn't offer him the chance, or anything. :lol:

So, here it comes.

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[05 Jun 08 21:35] * Jari * BTW kimchiacid, by all means keep arguing about stuff you know nothing about. To quote 4chan, you'll sh*t brix when you finally figure out what the federal registration is for, what it does, and HOW DO YOU DO IT. :D
[05 Jun 08 21:35] * Jari * Like I said, keep at it. Deeper you dig, more humiliating it will be. :)
[05 Jun 08 21:35] * Jari * But now I have a tower to climb. Be back in hour or two. :)
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * ye-roon * Jari
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * ye-roon * your avatar rules
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * Jari * Yes, ye-roon?
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * Jari * :) I'm glad you like it. :)
[05 Jun 08 22:45] * Jari * Which one, though? Or all of them? :P
[05 Jun 08 22:46] * ye-roon * just saw the one with the bunny with the pink ears :p
[05 Jun 08 22:46] * Jari * Ah :)
[05 Jun 08 22:47] * Jari * There are like three or four of them. Reload and it should serve you a different one. :)
[05 Jun 08 22:59] * Jari * Now, *this* is cosplay: http://zip.4chan.org/cgl/src/1212691497833.jpg :D
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid *  http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> section 3a to 4c
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> man those brix hurt like hell, don't they?
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> and for the prices
[05 Jun 08 23:18] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> http://www.copyright.gov/docs/fees.html
[05 Jun 08 23:21] * Jari * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_copyright_law#Registration_of_copyright
[05 Jun 08 23:21] * Jari * "As the United States has joined the Berne Convention, registration is no longer necessary to provide copyright protection."
[05 Jun 08 23:21] * Jari * You were saying?
[05 Jun 08 23:22] * Jari * Maybe you REALLY should try reading up, before opening your mouth?
[05 Jun 08 23:24] * ye-roon * [22:00:10] <Jari> Now, *this* is cosplay: http://zip.4chan.org/cgl/src/1212691497833.jpg :D <-- SILVER POWER RANGERS!
[05 Jun 08 23:25] * Jari * LOL :D
[05 Jun 08 23:36] * kimchiacid * However, registration is still necessary to obtain statutory damages in case of infringement
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * Jari * Yes?
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * kimchiacid * what are things you need to protect yourself in regards to copyright?
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * Jari * You are aware that statutory damages are not the only kind of damages that can be awarded?
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * ye-roon * sleepy time
[05 Jun 08 23:37] * ye-roon * gn :)
[05 Jun 08 23:38] * Jari * ...what you say?
[05 Jun 08 23:38] * Jari * Good night, ye-roon. :)
[05 Jun 08 23:38] * kimchiacid * goodnight
[05 Jun 08 23:39] < ye-roon has disconnected (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[05 Jun 08 23:41] < kimchiacid has disconnected (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
[05 Jun 08 23:42] * Jari * So. Are you going to post your "proof", or are you going to apologize for calling me a liar?
[05 Jun 08 23:42] * Jari * Not that I'd forgive you, you are a true little asshat.
[05 Jun 08 23:42] * Jari * ...well, God damn. He ran away.
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[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * sorry power filcker ni my naeghborhood
[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * flicker*
[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * w/e
[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * got hit with a tornado yesterday
[05 Jun 08 23:55] * kimchiacid * anyways
[05 Jun 08 23:56] * kimchiacid * yes i do know that its not the only damages awarded
[05 Jun 08 23:56] * Jari * [23:42] Jari: So. Are you going to post your "proof", or are you going to apologize for calling me a liar?
[05 Jun 08 23:56] * Jari * [23:42] Jari: Not that I'd forgive you, you are a true little asshat.
[05 Jun 08 23:57] * kimchiacid * but its the most common significant type of case disputed
[05 Jun 08 23:57] * kimchiacid * proof as in legality?
[05 Jun 08 23:57] * kimchiacid * or proof for the liare comment
[05 Jun 08 23:58] * Jari * Proof that I asked from you. Proof that you have to pay for copyright protection in US. That's what you promised and apparently can't produce.
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * kimchiacid * i did!
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * Jari * And since you apparently can't do that, that means that I'm no liar... and you better apologize.
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * Qhimm * Correct me if I'm wrong here, but all you've been doing when Jari provides evidence for his viewpoint is to say "yes, that's correct, I was aware of that". Not exactly sure how you combine that with figuring that he lied.
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * kimchiacid * i sent u many link
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * kimchiacid * links
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * Jari * I see. Well, feel free to post your proof in the forums as well, then.
[05 Jun 08 23:59] * Jari * Of course, I can post this log as well.
[06 Jun 08 00:00] * kimchiacid * hello
[06 Jun 08 00:00] * kimchiacid * links
[06 Jun 08 00:00] * kimchiacid * i gave you government websites
[06 Jun 08 00:00] * kimchiacid * u gave me a wikipedia
[06 Jun 08 00:01] * Jari * Fine. I'll be posting the log, then. :)
[06 Jun 08 00:01] * kimchiacid * its entirely
[06 Jun 08 00:01] * kimchiacid * up to u
[06 Jun 08 00:01] * Jari * I can give you plenty of websites that say the same thing, but it wouldn't make any difference, would it? :)
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * plenty of govt websites?
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * sure
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * Qhimm * Explain it to me, then.
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * Jari * Probably, if I can be arsed to. One would imagine that your government knows what it signs. :P
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * what
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * lol
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * kimchiacid * u'd think
[06 Jun 08 00:02] * Qhimm * Copyright protection is entirely automatic, no registration needed, yes?
[06 Jun 08 00:03] * kimchiacid * no
[06 Jun 08 00:03] * kimchiacid * not entirely
[06 Jun 08 00:03] * kimchiacid * protection for the most common significant damages needs registration
[06 Jun 08 00:03] * Qhimm * Isn't damages something you seek?
[06 Jun 08 00:04] * kimchiacid * the type of damages
[06 Jun 08 00:05] * Qhimm * As I understand it, the registration is entirely optional and merely serves to strengthen your case in case of litigation
[06 Jun 08 00:05] * kimchiacid * i was talking about in a court of law
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * kimchiacid * for law suits
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * kimchiacid * and possible jailtime
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * Qhimm * And it's merely strengthened because there is a formal record of your copyrighted work, and that you can seek statutory damages.
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * kimchiacid * strengthened from nothing
[06 Jun 08 00:06] * kimchiacid * cuz before that all u have is a claim
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * kimchiacid * a claim with no proof
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * Jari * Yes, because selling a game in Japan for example is merely a claim. Surely not a proof, or anything.
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * kimchiacid * if u create something and another person registers it unsder that persons name
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * kimchiacid * ur screwed
[06 Jun 08 00:07] * Jari * Do you understand what proof means? I mean, do you REALLY understand?
[06 Jun 08 00:08] * Qhimm * But the proof is hardly a part of the copyright protection. It is merely proof, to be used in litigation suits.
[06 Jun 08 00:08] * Qhimm * The Copyright office basically says "look, get this registration and it'll make protecting your work much easier"
[06 Jun 08 00:08] * kimchiacid * if u create something and another person registers it unsder that persons name
[06 Jun 08 00:08] * kimchiacid * <kimchiacid> ur screwed
[06 Jun 08 00:09] * kimchiacid * sorry paste doesn't work too well with my irc client
[06 Jun 08 00:09] * Qhimm * But the second registration would then be invalid and overturnable by presenting prior art, no?
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * kimchiacid * if tehre was a first registration
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * kimchiacid * there
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * Qhimm * So you're saying there is no burden of proof when registering something at the copyright office?
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * kimchiacid * if u don't register ur intellectual property and someone else does that other person will get the credit
[06 Jun 08 00:10] * Qhimm * But then the U.S. wouldn't be compliant with the Berne convention.
[06 Jun 08 00:11] * Qhimm * Which it apparently is. Compliant, that is.
[06 Jun 08 00:11] * kimchiacid * bu there are other ways of proving it
[06 Jun 08 00:11] * kimchiacid * like the mailing method
[06 Jun 08 00:12] * kimchiacid * if everyone goes by a he said she said law then cases wouldn't get anywhere
[06 Jun 08 00:13] * kimchiacid * in that aspect its more than strengthening ur side
[06 Jun 08 00:14] * Qhimm * The registration is merely a piece proof to back up your claim, then. Plus it will allow you to seek statutory damages instead of having to demonstrate exactly what you've lost due to the infringement.
[06 Jun 08 00:15] * Qhimm * *a piece of proof
[06 Jun 08 00:15] * kimchiacid * yes thats what i said, kinda
[06 Jun 08 00:16] * kimchiacid * but just the claim itself doesn't do anything
[06 Jun 08 00:16] * Qhimm * Well, in the same sense as in that homocide laws doesn't prevent murder, yes. :)
[06 Jun 08 00:17] * kimchiacid * lol
[06 Jun 08 00:17] * kimchiacid * nice
[06 Jun 08 00:18] * kimchiacid * im glad we found an understanding
[06 Jun 08 00:18] * kimchiacid * :D
[06 Jun 08 00:19] * Qhimm * All your protection comes from the copyright law itself, which doesn't require any fees. However, to be able to win a litigation you will need to provide proof that you were indeed the original author of the work. The registration is one way to provide such proof, but is by no means necessary or the only way to accomplish this. Correct?
[06 Jun 08 00:19] * kimchiacid * not completely
[06 Jun 08 00:19] * kimchiacid * the litigation is apart of the copuright laws
[06 Jun 08 00:20] * Qhimm * Yes.
[06 Jun 08 00:20] * kimchiacid * its not a separate process
[06 Jun 08 00:21] * kimchiacid * but it is noy the only way
[06 Jun 08 00:21] * kimchiacid * not*
[06 Jun 08 00:21] * Qhimm * But litigation is merely the name of the process of suing someone.
[06 Jun 08 00:21] * kimchiacid * which iis why i provided an alternative method b4
[06 Jun 08 00:22] * kimchiacid * but this a type of lawsuit that is back by federal law
[06 Jun 08 00:22] * kimchiacid * it isn't just another claims court case
[06 Jun 08 00:25] * Qhimm * Yes, copyright is federal law in the U.S. But the primary difference that makes seems to be the court used for the process.
[06 Jun 08 00:27] * Qhimm * All of the protection offered by copyright still comes from the federal copyright law. The registration merely a) provides a typically effective means of fulfilling the burden of proof for litigation, and b) simplifies seeking damages by allowing statutory damages.
[06 Jun 08 00:27] * kimchiacid * except in breaking federal laws u can get jail time too
[06 Jun 08 00:29] * Qhimm * Even if so, how is that relevant to the claimed increased protection afforded by registration?
[06 Jun 08 00:30] * kimchiacid * the claim doesn't mean anything
[06 Jun 08 00:30] * kimchiacid * without proof
[06 Jun 08 00:30] * kimchiacid * or punishment
[06 Jun 08 00:30] * Qhimm * Yes, I think we agree on this. Still, the registration is not necessary for either of these.
[06 Jun 08 00:31] * kimchiacid * ok
[06 Jun 08 00:31] * kimchiacid * fine
[06 Jun 08 00:33] * kimchiacid * my standpoint is registration is a form of proof, without proof you can't do anything
[06 Jun 08 00:33] * kimchiacid * just like jari kept saying
[06 Jun 08 00:33] * kimchiacid * wheres the prrof
[06 Jun 08 00:33] * kimchiacid * however you can always bribe the judges
[06 Jun 08 00:34] * kimchiacid * :)
[06 Jun 08 00:37] * Jari * Why, in stores for example. Say, you seem to hold the issue of emulators and ROMs close to your heart. Seeing that game X has been sold since year '92 (for example) in a country which signed the Berne convention, rather likely means that the company which made it holds the copyright. If someone disagrees, they are free to litigate, of course.
[06 Jun 08 00:37] * Qhimm * Then we have the same standpoint. Registration does not enable or improve your protection, it is merely a simpler, formalized means to provide proof and seek damages.
[06 Jun 08 00:41] * Qhimm * Proof via registration is not inherently any stronger than proof via, say, the mailing solution. If incorrect it can be overturned by establishing the proper authorship via different proof.
[06 Jun 08 00:44] * Qhimm * It used to be a requirement for federal copyright protection, but at least since signing the Berne convention this is no longer the case. Instead, it merely fills the role of simplifying the litigation process if you have it. It does not afford you any additional rights though, nor does it allow you to seek any additional damages.
[06 Jun 08 00:46] * Qhimm * What it does do is allow you to seek statutory damages instead of having to actually calculate and demonstrate your exact loss. In practice this can make it easier to seek larger damages, but is not necessarily so.
[06 Jun 08 00:56] * kimchiacid * it seems that we are all on the same page now :)
[06 Jun 08 01:01] * kimchiacid * but all that said the damages decided during litigation is a form of punishment for breaking that law, so without the lawsuit there is no crime, at least in the US
[06 Jun 08 01:01] * kimchiacid * that makes me sound soo bad
[06 Jun 08 01:01] * kimchiacid * :(
[06 Jun 08 01:02] * Qhimm * Yes, copyright litigation is still a civil lawsuit, even when backed by federal laws. It is not a crime prosecuted by the state.
[06 Jun 08 01:02] * kimchiacid * atleast in terms of copyright
[06 Jun 08 01:02] * kimchiacid * but its mostly true for murder and all that too
[06 Jun 08 01:02] * kimchiacid * OJ wasn't guilty till they said he was
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[06 Jun 08 01:06] * kimchiacid * ok
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Jari/El Ammo, think I'll start using Jari, it's shorter :-D I think I found a better pic than your avatars finally :-P icanhascheezburger, if you seen the "Iz still happy cat, iz jut mi poker face" one, you'll know what I'm talking about haha. :lol:
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Hah, indeed. That is a good one. :)
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Re: Forum Flaming....
« Reply #34 on: 2008-06-07 10:51:37 »

So Jari, ifyou know about all this copyright stuff, would I actually get in any trouble if i happened to find my old battle.lgp with all my modded content on it and upload it?
Well - if you burn the file to CD - mail it to yourself using Recorded delivery then you magically own the copyright, you should then be free to upload it ;)
lol that's too much effort. I might just upload it at sometime, then pm it to peaople or something, who might be stupid enough to post up links therefore exempting all responsibility. It makes sense in my head, I think..

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« Reply #35 on: 2008-06-07 11:28:19 »
I would gladly accepet a pm with it, however wouldn't be stupid enough to throw blame on myself by posting it on the forums properly ;-)

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« Reply #36 on: 2008-06-07 13:17:21 »
What replacement mod :roll:

Well hello there ain't that friggin nice to get some PM's now and then ;D

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« Reply #37 on: 2008-06-10 00:23:25 »
guess alot of people have issues with Jari. Lol I was starting to feel alone back then  :-D

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« Reply #38 on: 2008-06-10 00:55:04 »
Fear not, you are in a good company.

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« Reply #39 on: 2008-06-10 01:18:55 »
The only issue I've got is with the avatar - the gallery of creepy kitties. I'm a cat guy myself, but some of those smiles ... :evil: If my cats did that, I'm thinking I'd take up arms until I was sure their eyes weren't going to turn red and they weren't going to develop massive alligator maws and eat me.

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« Reply #40 on: 2008-06-10 03:24:41 »
Pffft. They are not creepy. They are special. You know, like special people?

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« Reply #41 on: 2008-06-10 03:44:30 »
Qhimm's pretty aggressive to harmless and well hearted posts, so I'll be limiting my stay here. :P
I'll return when I start FFVIII, but I'll try not to help anyone else in the process in fear of being raped.

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« Reply #42 on: 2008-06-10 09:43:13 »
No I think the idea is just being knowledgable about your subject wont get you flamed.

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« Reply #43 on: 2008-06-11 01:29:43 »
Nothing personal El Ammo but why is it that you are, or at least seem so aggressive to so many people? I can understand that you hate it when people say or do things that are stupid but I don't understand why you take it so far. I remember when you got into an argument with me about 1-2 months ago over that Real life beliefs topic, which by the way I did in fact took what you said a little too personally but more to the point it got so bad that everyone except squeeble was against you.

So to restate my question:why is it that you go  through such lengths to talk down and insult people?
(Please don't reply with an aggressive response, I'm not trying to start an argument)

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« Reply #44 on: 2008-06-11 02:23:03 »
I like to think it's tough love.  He "loves" qhimm.com so he's "tough" to people who don't follow the rules.  I think yours was gross improper grammar if I remember right.  And if he was to lighten up on someone well... give someone an inch and they'll take a mile.

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« Reply #45 on: 2008-06-11 02:30:00 »
...but more to the point it got so bad that everyone except squeeble was against you.

Nothing personal, but I'd go see a doctor if I had delusions like that.

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« Reply #46 on: 2008-06-11 02:43:54 »
I love how there's always constant insults. Quite a group you guys have here.

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« Reply #47 on: 2008-06-11 03:07:16 »
So, tell me. If 26 and half posts per day is limiting your stay here, how much would you post if we weren't such a mean bunch of bastards?

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« Reply #48 on: 2008-06-11 06:49:42 »
I have 56 posts currently because I just restarted FFVII a week ago and I'm both inquiring about patches and trying to help others with their technical problems.
I don't care about people who insult others in off-topic parts of this website. Most of the stuff I've seen is not in the ff7 section of this site that I check up on daily, so I don't really care enough for it to affect my ff7 game.

I'm frequently here for the moment because I've posted messages and asked questions that I'm interested in seeing replies to. Not here for drama, my friend. :P
I said I won't be here for long because, once I get ff7 working the way I like it, I probably won't make the effort to collide cahoots or provide more assistance. I imagine I'll still check back to see if a good balance difficulty mod comes along, though. :D

I'll be shocked to see what you can find in this post to yell at.  :|  :wink:

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« Reply #49 on: 2008-06-11 08:55:41 »
I'm frequently here for the moment because I've posted messages and asked questions that I'm interested in seeing replies to. Not here for drama, my friend. :P

If you weren't here fr drama, then you wod't be in this particular thread.  Clearly yu enjoy the drama.

I'll be shocked to see what you can find in this post to yell at.  :|  :wink:

Who's yelling?  Unless you ar actually stupid enough to yelat you screen while you type.

I imagine I'll still check back to see if a good balance difficulty mod comes along, though. :D

There's already a hard mod.  Maybe it'll keep you busy enough, and now you can go away.