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« on: 2008-05-11 10:28:31 »
Does this amuse anyone else?
You know the situation, one person makes a comment, someone doesn't agree, then all hell breaks loose and new threads are started, back and forward bickering like an online married couple.
I like it when these things happen, as the person who started the argument, and the person arguing back, IMO are absoloute legends, they keep me reading these forums when things are slow, and even if it's busy, it gives me a laugh.
See the El Ammo and Xelane threads for a perfect example :-D

Keep at it guys, I'm sure I'm not the only one following the online soap opera we got going on here. ;-)

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« Reply #1 on: 2008-05-11 18:48:59 »
Actually i didn't count on El Ammo making a thread just to flame me and i pretty much want the thread to be closed since all he's going to do is ramble on and on and on about how he is allegedly superior to everyone else in the world.

Now heres the kicker, you can count on El Ammo seeing this post or thread for that manner then probably jump in with something to insult either me or both of us.

Personaly i'm over his bull **** rantings which is all that ever comes out of his mouth even if he isn't even talking to anyone.

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« Reply #2 on: 2008-05-11 19:47:37 »
If El Ammo has a go at me, I'm going to do the same as I do when he does it to anyone else, I'm going to read it with a massive smile on my face, because personally, I find some of his posts quite hilarious. :-D

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« Reply #3 on: 2008-05-11 19:50:21 »
You have a pretty positive attitude. That will get you far in life since it's a good quality to be able to handle people mocking you with a smile on your face  :-D

I find his rantings funny too but after awhile it gets old :|

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« Reply #4 on: 2008-05-11 19:57:57 »
I dunno I'm rather easily amused, and don't mind being made fun off.  All part of joining a forum.
There's always gonna be people that make fun of other people, hell I've done it myself.

No matter how long someone insults me, I laugh at them usually out of pity.
However in El Ammo's case, I laugh because I find his posts genuinely amusing.

He makes me LoL.   :lol:

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« Reply #5 on: 2008-05-11 20:02:30 »
It's funny that no matter who you are there will always still be someone out there who doesn't like you and that has NO exceptions for anyone in the world.

actualy it's sad....i wonder what made jari/El Phanny Bandito such a prick.

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« Reply #6 on: 2008-05-11 20:40:11 »
Here's my thought process on the whole "flaming" issue:

*Opens up "Real Life Believes" topic*
"What's the arguing all about?"
"Oh great... Religion"
"Respect? WTF it's a forum who cares?"
"What does sex have to do with the lifestream?"
*Opens up "ATTN: Xelane" topic*
"What does any of this have to do with RPGs?"
"Here we go again...."
"Why am I wasting my time reading this crap?"
*Goes to "Game Tweaking" forum*
"Ah great, that crap is spilling over here, too?"

I personally don't care who has issues with who, but so everyone knows, anyone coming in that's never been here before is going to think a lot less of the place when people are bitching and moaning all across the forum. People who might have coding talent or otherwise and could contribute to the major projects happening are going to see this and say to themselves "Great, another immature Final Fantasy forum" then leave. This is the first and only Final Fantasy related forum I've ever signed up for because for once I saw a mature user base. Hopefully this doesn't continue and cause some butterfly effect leading to less seriousness with the projects here, but I guess if it does whatever. Just another FF forum.


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« Reply #7 on: 2008-05-11 20:44:59 »
I agree, but I do however still think this forum has the best modders for FF games that I have personally came across, and I only joined after getting a link off of I think, the Ficadula site.  I posted with a question as my first post.  Got an imediate, helpfull response, and have been here ever since.

I think that if a few people are arguing all across the forums, that shouldn't detract someone from joining.  Look at it this way, the people that want to join for the modding side, are going to jump straight into the technical forums, and tweaking forums, where I beileve there has been no such arguing.

Anyway, the point is, the arguing taking place in the completely unrelated forum (or at least SHOULD be taking place there) is good for a little laugh when your not on your best of days.  If you want the serious, helpful side of the forums, go to tech or tweaking. :-)

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« Reply #8 on: 2008-05-11 20:49:44 »
Griever,
It hasn't gotten to the point I'm upset or anything, but it was pretty stupid seeing the whole thing spill over into the Game Tweaking forum. Maybe it's elsewhere too, I was looking at new posts in the Cloud Model topic that's on top right now and noticed it. I still think it's head and shoulders about the alternatives right now and it's clearly the definitive mod/patch/support site for FF7 and FF8.

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« Reply #9 on: 2008-05-11 21:47:13 »
Yeah I know, what I was saying, sorry if I worded it wrong :P was just that these types of conversations would be fine on a peace lovers forum, as long as it's kept in a place such as Completely Unrelated, therefor not upsetting anyone wanting serious help, or discussing serious topics in other threads. ;-)

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« Reply #10 on: 2008-05-12 00:16:12 »
well... anyway the most important thing in life is: WOMEN!!! XD XD XD and... well... i think you got the point XD

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« Reply #11 on: 2008-05-12 00:22:23 »
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? lol I think we all know what you're getting at.

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« Reply #12 on: 2008-06-04 07:38:50 »
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If El Ammo has a go at me, I'm going to do the same as I do when he does it to anyone else, I'm going to read it with a massive smile on my face, because personally, I find some of his posts quite hilarious.


I had an argument with a person named jari on the irc chat and even caught him on a few lies, but haven't had the pleasure of meeting him on the forums.  Is jari El Ammo?

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« Reply #13 on: 2008-06-04 09:46:54 »
As far as I'm aware, yes, Jari is El Ammo.

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« Reply #14 on: 2008-06-04 10:44:43 »
I had an argument with a person named jari on the irc chat and even caught him on a few lies, but haven't had the pleasure of meeting him on the forums.  Is jari El Ammo?

So, you have no problems with me posting the log, I assume? Actually, I don't care. You call me a liar, I'm going to do whatever I want with you.

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« Reply #15 on: 2008-06-04 17:42:07 »
And it began a new! :D
Forum flaming is rather fun for third-party people;D

But you can sum it all up with "keep stating the obvious"

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« Reply #16 on: 2008-06-04 18:06:57 »
Griever, however stupid the arguments of others may be, I don't think starting a topic to talk about how amusing said arguments are is going to help matters. It's nice that you feel that way, but the involved parties are going to feel the need to justify their involvement in this thread, and now you're using it to talk about another member. Do you expect him not to reply to that?

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« Reply #17 on: 2008-06-04 21:12:16 »
Griever, however stupid the arguments of others may be, I don't think starting a topic to talk about how amusing said arguments are is going to help matters.

Okay, first off, I created this because I wanted to, if there was any offence to be caused, I'm sure a moderator would have shut it down.  So, that's that.

Second.......

the involved parties are going to feel the need to justify their involvement in this thread


Nobody needs to reply to this, if they didn't want to reply, they would have had a quick look, then left well alone.

Third.....

and now you're using it to talk about another member. Do you expect him not to reply to that?

I'm not talking to anyone in particular, hell if someone wants to take it as I'm talking to them, then they can be my guest.  I started it because it was something I felt like saying.  Hence why it's the Completely unrelated forum. 

And just out of curiosity, prey tell, who is this other member I'm talking about?  The Xelane/El Ammo thing was an EXAMPLE.  Not what this was started over.  And if your talking about what I wrote in another thread about Fenrir, then bleh.  Because I said to him, I wasn't flaming him, or being nasty, I was simply wondering something, and asked, albeit in more than one thread.

Anything else?

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« Reply #18 on: 2008-06-05 10:44:35 »
I had an argument with a person named jari on the irc chat and even caught him on a few lies, but haven't had the pleasure of meeting him on the forums.  Is jari El Ammo?

So, you have no problems with me posting the log, I assume? Actually, I don't care. You call me a liar, I'm going to do whatever I want with you.
I'm curious..

Post away!

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« Reply #19 on: 2008-06-05 15:07:59 »
Ask and ye shall receive.

Logs have been edited only to remove the identifying information that belongs to people other than me. I do not really care if you know my IP address.

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(18:12:10) kimchiacid [[email protected]] entered the room.
(18:12:24) kimchiacid: hi
(18:12:51) kimchiacid: im a begginner in proggramming and i need some help
(18:13:48) kimchiacid: im trying to remove the buster sword from the modded world map model
(18:14:25) kimchiacid: i was able to do it on the modded field model because someone posted what code mess with and what to change it to
(18:15:02) kimchiacid: but for the woeld map even if i have the file open as a txt file in front of me and i know what code to change
(18:15:07) kimchiacid: i don't know what to change it to
(18:15:25) kimchiacid: can someone help with that?
(18:16:32) Jari [[email protected]] entered the room.
(18:17:34) kimchiacid: hi
(18:17:56) Jari: Hey
(18:19:10) kimchiacid: do you know anything about bbe.hcr?
(18:19:21) kimchiacid: bbe.hrc*
(18:19:40) kimchiacid: its a file extracted from world_us.lgp
(18:19:50) kimchiacid: i need help editing it
(18:20:13) Jari: Sorry, nope. :/
(18:20:22) kimchiacid: hmm
(18:20:23) kimchiacid: ok
(18:20:42) kimchiacid: i guess ill wait for one of the admins to read it then
(18:21:24) kimchiacid: qhimm?
(18:23:40) Qhimm|work: I think you're better off asking at the forums for assistance, since I'm unfortunately not active in this kind of work any longer. And few of the people who frequent this chatroom are involved in any technical aspects of FF7 at all.
(18:24:53) Jari: Wait... kimchiacid, you are idiot who saw it fit to post in an announcement thread?
(18:25:19) Jari: And hate to break it to you, but your classes were wrong.
(18:33:50) Qhimm|work left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer).
(18:34:03) kimchiacid: ?
(18:34:08) kimchiacid: emulators?
(18:35:36) kimchiacid: what i was taught was current laws regarding international and national copywrite infringement
(18:35:59) kimchiacid: but laws do change all the time
(18:36:18) Jari: Everything - repeat after me - EVERYTHING - made in a country that abides by the Berne convention are protected by copyrights. You do not have to do anything to protect it - it's very much automatical.
(18:36:51) kimchiacid: you are half correct
(18:37:05) kimchiacid: everything created automatically has a copywrite
(18:37:12) kimchiacid: but its not federally protected
(18:37:28) kimchiacid: until you get it protected
(18:37:45) kimchiacid: thenyou gotta pay fees ever so often
(18:37:55) Jari: Bullshit!
(18:38:01) kimchiacid: lol
(18:38:03) Jari: There is no such thing as fees for copyright.
(18:38:08) kimchiacid: yes
(18:38:11) kimchiacid: your right
(18:38:16) kimchiacid: not for copyright
(18:38:21) kimchiacid: but for protection
(18:38:26) Jari: There are fees to register and uphold trademarks though, but that is entirely different thing.
(18:38:32) kimchiacid: yes
(18:38:35) kimchiacid: als correct
(18:38:46) Jari: Oh Jesus on a pogostick, were you born that stupid, or did you hit your head recently?
(18:38:52) kimchiacid: lol
(18:39:03) kimchiacid: you must be very good at teaching people
(18:39:05) kimchiacid: you know that?
(18:39:08) Jari: Feel free to provide proof of the said fees. ASAP.
(18:39:21) kimchiacid: likewise?
(18:39:30) kimchiacid: for the pogostick remark ofcourse
(18:39:33) kimchiacid: lol
(18:39:40) Jari: Considering that teaching is one of the things I do for living - I'd hope so.
(18:40:34) kimchiacid: wow
(18:40:38) kimchiacid: you must have tenure then
(18:41:53) kimchiacid: but yes using pogostick jesus and birth defects all in one sentence does deserve some credit
(18:42:22) Jari: Freelancer. But I'm waiting for your proof.
(18:42:41) kimchiacid: oh and by the way i was talking about intellectuall property
(18:42:48) kimchiacid: which cover multiple things
(18:43:06) Jari: Yes?
(18:43:12) Qhimm|work [xxx] entered the room.
(18:43:32) kimchiacid: and if you are looking at a company than they would have to renew their ownership of it ever 70 years or so
(18:43:55) kimchiacid: but i think thier was a recent change in that law
(18:44:09) kimchiacid: i think it was increased to 90 if im not mistaken
(18:44:43) Jari: And no, you do not "renew" your ownership either.
(18:45:05) Jari: When it's gone, it's gone. Disney just managed to pressure the government into making the period longer.
(18:45:25) kimchiacid: im sorry
(18:45:28) kimchiacid: i meant rights
(18:45:53) Jari: Well, you don't renew any "rights" either.
(18:46:06) kimchiacid: well you can sell them
(18:46:09) kimchiacid: you can buy them
(18:46:13) kimchiacid: you can claim them
(18:46:25) kimchiacid: and you can lose them
(18:46:35) kimchiacid: but it all takes paperwork
(18:47:23) Jari: No. You can't lose them. In some countries you can't even sell or buy *all* of them, with works of art the artists always retains certain control over how his or her piece is presented.
(18:47:32) kimchiacid: and processing isn't exactly free
(18:47:47) kimchiacid: yes that is correct
(18:47:54) kimchiacid: but are we talking about those countries?
(18:47:58) ye-roon: more people
(18:48:01) ye-roon: zomg
(18:48:11) Jari: How about you producing the proof of the said fees?
(18:48:29) kimchiacid: you've never heard of processing charges?
(18:48:39) Jari: Namely the fee for retaining the federal protection.
(18:48:49) kimchiacid: tehres the original fee
(18:49:04) Jari: PROOF, ASSHAT, CAN YOU FIND IT?
(18:49:33) kimchiacid: you can federally mail it to yourself, which is the most common method
(18:49:50) kimchiacid: and that costs min $50
(18:50:01) kimchiacid: at least last i went to a post office
(18:50:08) kimchiacid: it could be more though
(18:50:27) kimchiacid: and whats an asshat?
(18:50:42) Jari: You are one. You are talking out of your ass, without a proof of any kind.
(18:50:52) kimchiacid: hmm
(18:51:16) kimchiacid: well i would usually same something like " the only as here is.."
(18:51:24) kimchiacid: but your a civil servant
(18:51:31) kimchiacid: so i will restrain myself
(18:51:54) Jari: You don't have. You have to bring me some proof, though.
(18:52:00) Jari: *have to.*
(18:52:03) kimchiacid: i already have
(18:52:38) Jari: No, you haven't. You have presented all kinds of arguments. With no proof.
(18:52:46) Jari: Do you even know what proof means?
(18:52:51) kimchiacid: ok
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(18:53:02) kimchiacid: we both know that there are processing charges
(18:53:05) kimchiacid: right?
(18:53:12) kimchiacid: and mailing fees right?
(18:53:19) kimchiacid: those should be givens
(18:53:32) Jari: No, I do not. I for one do not live in the US.
(18:53:37) kimchiacid: ok
(18:53:46) kimchiacid: well im sorry
(18:54:03) kimchiacid: there are federal charges those things
(18:54:06) kimchiacid: if you want
(18:54:10) Jari: But the fee I'm really interested in - and you are trying to avoid finding proof for - is the fee for copyright protection. So, let's see the proof.
(18:54:17) kimchiacid: i can send you a link to a site with the prices
(18:54:37) Jari: Oh, by all means post the link here.
(18:54:48) kimchiacid: i don't mean to offend, but do you know what a fee is?
(18:55:03) Jari: I have this faint idea.
(18:55:24) kimchiacid: its an amount owed from party to another
(18:55:46) kimchiacid: thats it!
(18:55:48) Jari: But do you know what sarcasm means?
(18:56:23) kimchiacid: i have this faint idea.
(18:56:38) Jari: Seems bit too faint.
(18:56:49) kimchiacid: it seems so
(18:56:57) Jari: Oh yes. Link please.
(18:57:03) kimchiacid: oh ok
(18:57:11) kimchiacid: mailing charges coming up
(19:01:28) kimchiacid: http://www.usps.com/prices/welcome.htm
(19:01:39) kimchiacid: price for first class international
(19:02:09) kimchiacid: http://www.usps.com/international/intlspecialservices.htm#H1
(19:02:16) kimchiacid: ifo for registered mail
(19:02:21) Jari: Yes?
(19:02:33) Jari: And how exactly are these related to paying for copyright protection?
(19:02:50) kimchiacid: now what this does is when you mail a package to your self in the states
(19:03:32) kimchiacid: there is federal proof that the creation of the item would precede anyone elses creation by linking it to your identity
(19:04:14) Jari: Oh dear God...
(19:04:23) kimchiacid: and obviously there would be a date of sender and date of arrival
(19:04:36) kimchiacid: this is the most common practice
(19:04:44) Jari: And how exactly are these related to paying for copyright protection?
(19:04:55) kimchiacid: are you serious?
(19:05:17) Jari: VERY MUCH SO.
(19:05:19) kimchiacid: that is copyright protection
(19:05:42) kimchiacid: thats is the party protection his/her intellectual property
(19:05:50) kimchiacid: protecting*
(19:06:54) Jari: ...okay. You sure got me there. I thought that this was just mailing [color=#f47]strawberries[/color] to myself.
(19:07:08) kimchiacid: lol
(19:07:34) kimchiacid: thats just the most common method
(19:07:50) kimchiacid: btw
(19:07:53) kimchiacid: what do you teach
(19:09:21) Jari: Dude, you have no - absolutely NO - idea what you are talking about.
(19:09:56) Jari: IT-related stuff, mostly to end users. Depends on what the client needs me to teach.
(19:11:06) kimchiacid: wow sounds hord
(19:11:10) kimchiacid: hard*
(19:11:29) kimchiacid: im in the programming sect
(19:11:56) kimchiacid: but im not too versed in the languages yet though
(19:13:06) kimchiacid: though i have taken my fair share of computer and business ethics courses
(19:14:26) kimchiacid: but i also do hope for the sake of your clients that you don't usually talk the way you type
(19:15:04) kimchiacid: because it makes it quite difficult to learn
(19:15:16) kimchiacid: and in the end isn't that all that matters?
(19:17:22) kimchiacid: guess not
(19:19:31) kimchiacid: are you by any chance griever?
(19:20:19) Jari: No, I'm bored. With you, that is.
(19:20:42) kimchiacid: ok
(19:20:59) kimchiacid: im glad that i wasn't boring up until now
(19:33:22) Jari left the room (quit: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org).

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« Reply #20 on: 2008-06-05 15:43:14 »
How dare ye accuse me of being Jari? :-O
There's no way I could ever replicate the scathing hilarity of an El Ammo/Jari post.

Monday madness!! Haven't you figured that out yet?!?

When I'm sarcastic, it's blatant....although, all sarcasm should be blatant to smart people....but.....

Anyway, no Jari isn't me, unfortunately :-P
I lol'd at that whole conversation, I thought by protection rights he was going on about copyright protection, not glorified postal insurance. :lol:

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« Reply #21 on: 2008-06-05 17:47:34 »
make that glorified federal postal insurance and he was talking about possible fees being paid for copyrights(if it was just copyrights it probably have never ever ended) :-) oh and sorry for thinking that was you griever(you were the the first person to talk to me in the forum and the channel, so I went out on a limb, but now its severed).  should have known better, but im glad you enjoyed it :-D  Oh and I apologize, jari, for assuming you were in the US and knew things about it since you knew things like that Disney incident, but Disney is an international company, so i assumed wrong.  But like I said copyrights and copyright protection (registration, proof in a court of law, etc..) are not the same  :-P

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« Reply #22 on: 2008-06-05 18:02:47 »
No severed limbs here.

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« Reply #23 on: 2008-06-05 18:20:05 »
make that glorified federal postal insurance and he was talking about possible fees being paid for copyrights(if it was just copyrights it probably have never ever ended) :-) oh and sorry for thinking that was you griever(you were the the first person to talk to me in the forum and the channel, so I went out on a limb, but now its severed).  should have known better, but im glad you enjoyed it :-D  Oh and I apologize, jari, for assuming you were in the US and knew things about it since you knew things like that Disney incident, but Disney is an international company, so i assumed wrong.  But like I said copyrights and copyright protection (registration, proof in a court of law, etc..) are not the same  :-P

Do tell me. How do you manage to be stupider than you look?

It is an achievement that seems impossible, yet you manage somehow.

After you have managed that, feel free to provide the proof you promised to me.

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« Reply #24 on: 2008-06-05 18:29:06 »
how do you know what I look like?  :?