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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9475 on: 2020-05-17 01:12:27 »
Quake3 has had an issue with its transparency effects in that they'll load from the menu textures after more than one use, and I think it's something to do with the driver as other attacks with transparency effects also start to behave strangely when used multiple times in a fight (I think this is also related to the Hyper Jump crash on Steam).

Sounds very likely this is the underlying cause; perhaps spell texture mods on top is exacerbating the problem and leading to the crash. Usually the game is 'OK' with the Quake3 thing and the other visual bugs from attacks like Oil Shot and Atomic Ray. Try the fight without the spell texture mod on, and let me know if it still crashes; I can change the animation to something else.

Yup still crashed without any spell textures on. I have my texture memory set to 2048 and Texture Cache is on, if that affects anything.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9476 on: 2020-05-17 01:59:14 »
Yup still crashed without any spell textures on. I have my texture memory set to 2048 and Texture Cache is on, if that affects anything.

I ran the fight, and saw that the menu texture glitch occurred for Quake 3 (single target) on the 2nd cast. Game kept running but I had no other mods on. I'll just change the animation for stability (and make some other tweaks to camera, etc.)

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9477 on: 2020-05-17 02:17:00 »
how strange, thank you so much!

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9478 on: 2020-05-17 02:24:21 »
17th May 2020 - Changes an animation with a boss to prevent a texture glitch (also removes some awkward camera angles).

Installer
https://mega.nz/file/m8kAVKYY#KBAM7ZKuJLIXHome9JY2fTEF4ijxQJPZvL13AGGMnQ4

IRO
https://mega.nz/file/Wx1W0Y5b#7wneRJx-Lb5Wh8cd688b-kT_Vlq9gHCkfeiW8B-ZyKo

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9479 on: 2020-05-17 02:29:12 »
Awesome! I've been using 7th heaven to do all my mods, would the auto-updater handle this or do I have to manually replace the IRO?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9480 on: 2020-05-17 02:45:23 »
17th May 2020 - Changes an animation with a boss to prevent a texture glitch (also removes some awkward camera angles).

Installer
https://mega.nz/file/m8kAVKYY#KBAM7ZKuJLIXHome9JY2fTEF4ijxQJPZvL13AGGMnQ4

IRO
https://mega.nz/file/Wx1W0Y5b#7wneRJx-Lb5Wh8cd688b-kT_Vlq9gHCkfeiW8B-ZyKo

i must uninstall and reinstall this new one?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9481 on: 2020-05-17 03:23:57 »
So, I ran into an issue trying to use the latest IRO.

First when I tried, it installed a SECOND version of New Threat instead of overriding the original. Neither one said the publish date was the 16th. I got rid of both and tried again, but it kept giving me an access error about half way through. I restarted my computer, and it seems to have installed fine now, but I'm not sure if that was a 7H issue, a NT IRO issue, or a me issue! Figured I'd report it just in case!

[EDIT] I don't know if this has anything to do with my little screw-up, but now when I get to a save point, the NT menu is using playstation controls instead of the usual [ok] [cancel] [switch] etc. Is there any way I can revert this?
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9482 on: 2020-05-17 04:40:41 »
Awesome! I've been using 7th heaven to do all my mods, would the auto-updater handle this or do I have to manually replace the IRO?

Deactivate the old one, then import the new one.

i must uninstall and reinstall this new one?

Not necessarily, only if you run into issues with the Da Chao Fire Cave fight on Disc 3.

So, I ran into an issue trying to use the latest IRO.

First when I tried, it installed a SECOND version of New Threat instead of overriding the original. Neither one said the publish date was the 16th. I got rid of both and tried again, but it kept giving me an access error about half way through. I restarted my computer, and it seems to have installed fine now, but I'm not sure if that was a 7H issue, a NT IRO issue, or a me issue! Figured I'd report it just in case!

[EDIT] I don't know if this has anything to do with my little screw-up, but now when I get to a save point, the NT menu is using playstation controls instead of the usual [ok] [cancel] [switch] etc. Is there any way I can revert this?

Might be because the newer IROs now have a unique ID whereas the old one had no ID, meaning multiple copies could be installed. The Catalog version of the NT IRO may still be able to be activated along with the IRO from here however (when it's updated, this will no longer be the case).

Sometimes closing and then re-opening 7h can help if it starts to throw errors with showing files, etc.

The newest NT IRO swapped from using the old PC control prompts to a Controller Icon set instead. This was to make it compatible with mods that add Controller Icons (for PSX and XBOX) and because a lot of users favour controller. I personally use Keyboard, but I find it a bit easier to use the controller prompts when dealing with the shoulder buttons as I always forget which is Camera and which is Target.

If you're using an XBOX controller and find the prompts confusing, or you use X as confirm instead of O, then I recommend using the controller options in the ESUI Enhanced Stock UI mod; they can change the type of icons used and swap the confirm/cancel buttons around for both.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9483 on: 2020-05-17 05:36:56 »
Might be because the newer IROs now have a unique ID whereas the old one had no ID, meaning multiple copies could be installed. The Catalog version of the NT IRO may still be able to be activated along with the IRO from here however (when it's updated, this will no longer be the case).

That's right. Any future updates that match the current ID will give the Update prompt (7H > My Mods tab > Mod Info window > Version: x.x Auto Update). Just click the Update link and it'll download/replace with the new one. It won't duplicate anymore after that.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9484 on: 2020-05-17 12:03:50 »
sp wjhile i was playing the 15&5 version of the mod game crashed with the small window saying "sorry the game encontered an error due to a mod bla blab la" might be a NT issue or anotehr one? and to update safely via th heavn is enough delete old one and import new one and i can keep my previous save game going?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9485 on: 2020-05-17 13:11:40 »
sp wjhile i was playing the 15&5 version of the mod game crashed with the small window saying "sorry the game encontered an error due to a mod bla blab la" might be a NT issue or anotehr one? and to update safely via th heavn is enough delete old one and import new one and i can keep my previous save game going?

It's a bit too vague to say, although I have been seeing users posting about getting persistent crashes when using a lot of high-load texture mods. Something about the memory getting overloaded. If you've stuff like 4k field textures on then I'd suggest downgrading some of them if possible.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9486 on: 2020-05-17 14:20:59 »
It's a bit too vague to say, although I have been seeing users posting about getting persistent crashes when using a lot of high-load texture mods. Something about the memory getting overloaded. If you've stuff like 4k field textures on then I'd suggest downgrading some of them if possible.
Yes chief i use the mod 4k fields

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9487 on: 2020-05-17 16:41:57 »
This may be a stupid question but how do I change my party leader?  Just got to disk 3 and Tifa needs to be party leader to trigger her side quest but I don't see how to do that. 

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9488 on: 2020-05-17 17:03:48 »
This may be a stupid question but how do I change my party leader?  Just got to disk 3 and Tifa needs to be party leader to trigger her side quest but I don't see how to do that. 

First off, head to the bottom of North Crater to unlock all the stuff; Cloud will get a call from the Highwind confirming it. Then head back up and you can change party leader from the NPC on the right in the Operations Room.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9489 on: 2020-05-17 17:05:08 »
First off, head to the bottom of North Crater to unlock all the stuff; Cloud will get a call from the Highwind confirming it. Then head back up and you can change party leader from the NPC on the right in the Operations Room.

Ah, didn't realize I had to head into the crater first.  Thanks!

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9490 on: 2020-05-17 17:08:24 »
So is there a more comprehensive list of details on "New Threat Vanilla"?  I've not played FF7 in 10+ years, and I was never a master of it, so I'm not looking so much for additional combat challenge as I am the improved translation and restored content.  Is that all NTV is, or does it include the other mechanical changes (such as to AI, materia, and character stats, and Mr. Smile), and only omits the new enemies?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9491 on: 2020-05-17 17:29:41 »
so i removed previous NT version and installed the newest one you did Sega. To make sucjh process in 7th heaven i uninstalled your revious mod and installed importing the new one you did . I had a small save at begin of game (prior guard scorpion) so far cloud still have 3 spell mmaterias and scripted POST guard scorpion fight happened (the one with jessie) so mod still work good or is better restart fresh game to avoid previous edition of the mod issues?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9492 on: 2020-05-17 20:05:24 »
So is there a more comprehensive list of details on "New Threat Vanilla"?  I've not played FF7 in 10+ years, and I was never a master of it, so I'm not looking so much for additional combat challenge as I am the improved translation and restored content.  Is that all NTV is, or does it include the other mechanical changes (such as to AI, materia, and character stats, and Mr. Smile), and only omits the new enemies?

So in NT Vanilla, you get a dialogue revamp, some optional cutscene skips (Jessies Midgar explanation on the train, Nibelheum flashback, etc.), and some extra restored scenes that were defunct in the game files. Anything related to new battles however, like the Disc 3 stuff, has been deactivated though so it's a skeleton of the mod in terms of content. You may see some references to NT systems like the rank up system, or character innate explanations when they join, but none of them are active (SP system might be though, but it's optional).

so i removed previous NT version and installed the newest one you did Sega. To make sucjh process in 7th heaven i uninstalled your revious mod and installed importing the new one you did . I had a small save at begin of game (prior guard scorpion) so far cloud still have 3 spell mmaterias and scripted POST guard scorpion fight happened (the one with jessie) so mod still work good or is better restart fresh game to avoid previous edition of the mod issues?

You should be fine because you started with NT files, there were only bugfixes prior. Same goes for any future updates, you can carry on with your save files. If Cloud has all 3 Materia then the initial state should be correct.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9493 on: 2020-05-17 20:10:59 »
So in NT Vanilla, you get a dialogue revamp, some optional cutscene skips (Jessies Midgar explanation on the train, Nibelheum flashback, etc.), and some extra restored scenes that were defunct in the game files. Anything related to new battles however, like the Disc 3 stuff, has been deactivated though so it's a skeleton of the mod in terms of content. You may see some references to NT systems like the rank up system, or character innate explanations when they join, but none of them are active (SP system might be though, but it's optional).

Interesting.  I'd like to try it, but I can't seem to make it work.  I tried using the NTV IRO from the first page, and ... nothing happens.  No errors, no nothing, but nothing seems changed either.  So I tried using the Gameplay 3.0 mod from the Qhimm catalog, and selecting NTV option under its difficulty tab.  THAT actually seems to work at first glance, as I get starting pop-ups and explanations of Cloud's abilities, but the first combat encounter isn't with Trooper Trainees but creatures and on a Midgar exterior field.  So clearly, that's borked.

On a whim, I tried running the default New Threat IRO, and played about an hour into it.  THAT seems to work just fine, though.  *headscratch*  I'm tempted to just go with the regular mod, but reading the Documentation spreadsheet is more than a tad overwhelming.  I hate to say it, but is there a walkthrough for this mod on Neoseeker or Gamefaqs?  *laughs* (no, there isn't, I looked). 

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9494 on: 2020-05-17 20:17:02 »
Interesting.  I'd like to try it, but I can't seem to make it work.  I tried using the NTV IRO from the first page, and ... nothing happens.  No errors, no nothing, but nothing seems changed either.  So I tried using the Gameplay 3.0 mod from the Qhimm catalog, and selecting NTV option under its difficulty tab.  THAT actually seems to work at first glance, as I get starting pop-ups and explanations of Cloud's abilities, but the first combat encounter isn't with Trooper Trainees but creatures and on a Midgar exterior field.  So clearly, that's borked.

On a whim, I tried running the default New Threat IRO, and played about an hour into it.  THAT seems to work just fine, though.  *headscratch*  I'm tempted to just go with the regular mod, but reading the Documentation spreadsheet is more than a tad overwhelming.  I hate to say it, but is there a walkthrough for this mod on Neoseeker or Gamefaqs?  *laughs* (no, there isn't, I looked). 

Sounds like it's broken, probably the scene lookup table in the kernel not being right. As for my IRO, maybe I've got the folder reference wrong. I'll check it just now.
« Last Edit: 2020-05-17 20:25:58 by Sega Chief »

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9495 on: 2020-05-17 20:24:36 »
how many more weeks until the 2.0 of The NT mod is released

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9496 on: 2020-05-17 20:25:39 »
how many more weeks until the 2.0 of The NT mod is released

No idea.

Interesting.  I'd like to try it, but I can't seem to make it work.  I tried using the NTV IRO from the first page, and ... nothing happens.  No errors, no nothing, but nothing seems changed either.  So I tried using the Gameplay 3.0 mod from the Qhimm catalog, and selecting NTV option under its difficulty tab.  THAT actually seems to work at first glance, as I get starting pop-ups and explanations of Cloud's abilities, but the first combat encounter isn't with Trooper Trainees but creatures and on a Midgar exterior field.  So clearly, that's borked.

On a whim, I tried running the default New Threat IRO, and played about an hour into it.  THAT seems to work just fine, though.  *headscratch*  I'm tempted to just go with the regular mod, but reading the Documentation spreadsheet is more than a tad overwhelming.  I hate to say it, but is there a walkthrough for this mod on Neoseeker or Gamefaqs?  *laughs* (no, there isn't, I looked). 


I tested an IRO and seems to be OK, I've uploaded it and will replace the link:
https://mega.nz/file/Xgt3VbpI#0ZmgffgQhNq8QgRHZEr8soSfvVsYCaLfmkZnusMFdhc

This one should specifically state NT Vanilla Combat version when selecting new game.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9497 on: 2020-05-17 20:43:08 »
It's a great idea someone makes an in-depth walkthough of the NT game on gamefaqs.com! Or at least create a topic with all new content and how to obtain each one.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9498 on: 2020-05-17 21:02:37 »
I tested an IRO and seems to be OK, I've uploaded it and will replace the link:
https://mega.nz/file/Xgt3VbpI#0ZmgffgQhNq8QgRHZEr8soSfvVsYCaLfmkZnusMFdhc

This one should specifically state NT Vanilla Combat version when selecting new game.

That worked!  I got the same pop-ups as gameplay 3.0 but the random battles were actually right!  Thank you!

Now I'm torn over whether to go with Vanilla or Regular New Threat.  Maybe if I'd been playing the game regularly for the last 20 years I'd be craving a complete overhaul, but I think I last played FF7 in 2005 or 2007.  But I have enjoyed my 2 hours with it so far.  *wrestles with indecision*
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.5)
« Reply #9499 on: 2020-05-17 21:31:44 »
That worked!  I got the same pop-ups as gameplay 3.0 but the random battles were actually right!  Thank you!

Now I'm torn over whether to go with Vanilla or Regular New Threat.  Maybe if I'd been playing the game regularly for the last 20 years I'd be craving a complete overhaul, but I think I last played FF7 in 2005 or 2007.  But I have enjoyed my 2 hours with it so far.  *wrestles with indecision*

Could start with NT and then if it doesn't pan out, swap it out for the vanilla version. The save file between them should be fine.